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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Of course it's not reported! These are things that weigh on people's psyche without them realizing it. Why do you think there were polls showing that Iowans were slightly in favor of marriage equality before most of the country? Because Iowa is a bastion of radical progressivism?
    I'm glad you said that, as Iowa's legacy on civil rights is famous and historic.

    Iowa was one of the first states to ban racial discrimination, segregation in schools, and allow interracial marriage, all in the 19th century. The University of Iowa allowed women to join men in 1847, and in 1869, was the first state to admit women to the bar.

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    It's easy to cherry-pick certain issues and say that it makes them especially progressive, but it's not always true, and it's less true today than it has been in the past (they aren't exactly taking a lead on marijuana laws). This is a state wherein the overwhelming majority of the electorate votes for that kook Chuck Grassley. Face it, it's still middle America.

    Back to the subject at hand, if you compared Iowa's level of support for marriage equality immediately after their Supreme Court legalized it (or while they were considering it) to their support after many months or 1 year+ with marriage equality, you'd find quite the contrast.

    Which gets back to my point that living in a state with same-sex marriage and realizing that it's not such a big deal is certainly a factor determining level of support, whether people are conscious of that or not.
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    They reelect CHuck Grassley but if Steve King runs..that might be a whole different ballgame.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Spring break is over for the General Assembly. A vote on the House floor could be announced at any time.

    Meanwhile, a 2nd Republican announced support for the Senate bill. The emergent Rep. Ed Sullivan represents an area just north of Chicago. The other Republican support comes from Rep. Ron Sandack. Sullivan thinks there will be more votes if the bill makes it to a floor vote, saying, "There's many of my colleagues that have talked about this, that have said it's the right thing to do."

    Sullivan is a former opponent of civil unions, which shows that anyone from any background can announce support for marriage equality, no matter their history. Opinions move quickly these days.

    As mentioned in previous posts, it is thought that roughly a dozen fence sitters are needed to secure the necessary 60 votes for passage. With Sullivan's help, that's one less we must worry about.

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    ^^^Great news!

    Internal sources are saying that the bill actually requires fewer then a dozen votes as publicly claimed. The actual number is around a handful.

    In Minnesota it's the same way. Publicly one thing is said but privately we know we're very close.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    I do think we will see marriage equality in RI and IL this year. MN I'm crossing my fingers for.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I do think we will see marriage equality in RI and IL this year. MN I'm crossing my fingers for.
    Springfield freaking better get this darn show on the road already!! Frankly, I was shocked and dismayed IOWA beat us to the punch...we were the first state in the nation to decriminalize sodomy way back in 1965! Also, Chicago had the first gay rights group, way before the Mattachine Society of NYC and SF. Hopefully, we can get it done before California! [what can I say, the Prop. 8 mess gives me a bit of schadenfreude, so sue me ]
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by skinIsIn View Post
    Springfield freaking better get this darn show on the road already!! Frankly, I was shocked and dismayed IOWA beat us to the punch...we were the first state in the nation to decriminalize sodomy way back in 1965!
    Illinois replaced its entire penal code in 1962. There was no bill to actually repeal the sodomy law per se. Although, the model code it adopted was developed by the pro-gay American Law Institute.

    Still, it is very impressive that a state struck a sodomy law from the statute books so early. I can't fathom the reason except people must not have cared very much, or even noticed. There may not have been very much political opposition between the McCarthy era and the rise of the religious right.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    They are trying to get the last few votes and you can't blame the Republicans on this one. Democrats have a supermajority in both chambers. If they wanted this passed it would be passed already.
    Sad to say but many of the black churches in Illinois are fighting marriage equality tooth and nail and threating officials they wil leave the party if marriage equality is enacted.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    They are trying to get the last few votes and you can't blame the Republicans on this one.
    Democrats have a supermajority in both chambers.
    Unfortunately, the supermajority is comprised of conservative Democrats as well as liberal ones. Not too super.

    Sad to say but many of the black churches in Illinois are fighting marriage equality tooth and nail and threating officials they will leave the party if marriage equality is enacted.
    See ya!

    Certain African-American clergymen (and their followers) are of the belief that their civil rights are more legitimate than ours...under the misguided notion that homosexuality is a choice, unlike race.

    In Illinois, we have Prop. 8 redux of sorts. We could use a little positive influence from someone like Ted Olson, et al. The Catholics and the Mormons especially are pouring lots of dough into the holy crusade to prevent the Equality of Marriage bill from passing.

    Posted below is a picture of Francis Cardinal George, the bishop of the Archdiocese of Chicago. It seems that there was a slight kurfuffle over the Pride Parade last year... that it was disrupting the parishioners observing 12:15 mass that was situated along the parade route. Rather than trying to compromise, Cardinal George went into a tantrum calling our tactics like those of Hitler and the Nazis (for which he apologized.)

    Needless to say, the parade went forth and the Cardinal just had to lump it. By the way, the parade simply was rescheduled.

    I would rather not trash the Cardinal in this post. I'll just let the picture below do most of the talking.



    I hope against hope that the Marriage Equality Bill will pass, but I'm not holding my breath.

    Ed. note: the Catholic Church should be cleaning up its own act instead of picking on us.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Certain African-American clergymen (and their followers) are of the belief that their civil rights are more legitimate than ours...under the misguided notion that homosexuality is a choice, unlike race.

    Sadly,that is the case in Illinois. I'm sorry but there hasn't been just one Civil Rights movement in our history. And I hate when people who have suffered horrific bigotry themselves use it as a shield to do it to others.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    This is the last week or so to pass marriage equality. Some reports say they have the 60 votes..others believe if they did they would have brought it to a vote by now.
    It would be really disappointing after all of our victories to see us lose one.
    One thing to keep in mind,this will show not all Democrats are for marriage equality. There are many Democrats in Illinois and elsewhere that can't seperate church and state any more then Republicans can and they are the ones that are holding this back.

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    So what happens if it doesn't go to the senate this week?
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    So what happens if it doesn't go to the senate this week?
    There will be no marriage equality in Illinois this year.

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    They come back into session in the fall, so if it doesn't pass in 2 weeks they could vote on it then.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Hopefully they'll just vote on it now. If not,IF section 3 of DOMA is done away with as well as Prop 8 being dismissed on standing,I can see a lawsuit being filed.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/l...ll-/42849.html

    They say they have the votes..we'll just have to wait and see.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Here's hoping.

    After all, I live in this same state.
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    We'll have to wait and see.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    So what happens if it doesn't go to the senate this week?
    With all due respect, the bill already has been passed by the senate. It's getting the votes in the house that has been the difficult part. If Illinois is really a blue state, we're going to find out how blue. We're going see how influential the anti-amendment factions really are.


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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Indeed we will..the problem is in a blue state like Illinois or Rhode Island, many Democrats have no reason to hide their anti-gay biases like they might in other states.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Getting down to the wire..it's anyone's guess if they have the 60 votes but I'm guessing no otherwise they would have brought it to the floor by now.
    The black cactus in Illinois is strongly pressuring all their members to vote no on this bill due to (you guessed it) religious issues.

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    Well, except they say they have the votes, and are just waiting for the bill's sponsors to put it up to a vote. So cut the doom and gloom, Captain Negativity, and keep it for AFTER the end of the month if it's still needed -_-
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The black cactus in Illinois is strongly pressuring all their members to vote no on this bill due to (you guessed it) religious issues.
    Ouch! Freudian slip? Actually, it fits anyway. There are lots of pricks in that caucus.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Ouch! Freudian slip? Actually, it fits anyway. There are lots of pricks in that caucus.
    There are actually and the logic they used is the same thing that was used against them 50-60 years ago.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    http://www.pjstar.com/free/x86323382...-as-vote-looms

    Here's the update on it. We'll have to see.

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    Actually the Black Caucus is urging a Yes vote. The NAACP has come out in support. It's separate churches that are putting pressure on them.

    Greg Harris himself has confirmed they have the votes. I expect a vote to be scheduled on Tuesday or Wednesday for Thursday or Friday.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    I'm tired of these churches not being taxed for being involved in political activity. I don't follow their religion so their option on my civil rights means nothing.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Only a couple more days to go. I'll keep the fingers crossed for this one

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...riage-and-more


    On gay marriage: Despite lots of brave talk and another plug last night by President Barack Obama, the bill to allow same-sex marriage in Illinois reportedly is short two or three votes, with stiff opposition among many African-American lawmakers.


    This one has been a top priority for much of the state's Democratic leadership. If it doesn't pass, a lengthy and likely bitter post mortem is coming as to who screwed up.

    I'm hoping this guy is wrong but I sadly feel he is right on this one. I know what the Black Caucus and NAACP's position is on this but the fact remains (as pointed out in this article) there are many black lawmakers who are no different then the usual Republicans culprits who fail to understand there is a separation of church and state.
    And more galling to me..how they claim they suffered worse and therefore it's okay to discriminate against us.
    The Civil Rights movement is not a contest to see which group suffered worse,it's about stopping discrimination and equal rights and to hear them siding with people whom(behind closed doors) think they should still be seperate but equal sickens me.
    It should be noted that most of the black lawmakers are on our side..those that aren't..time to do what we did in NY and RI and primary them if possible.
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    One final thing..(I've take up this whole thread,sorry about that) is that I'm aware there will be many other Democrats voting no. Which is why the finals undecideds are going to come from this group.
    And it shouldn't be that way.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Ok, enough with the suspense already -_-
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    Same-sex families have been invited into Madigan's box, which is a great sign the vote will be happening soon!

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    http://new.livestream.com/blueroomstream/events/2135841

    Live stream everyone. Good luck.

    I also wanted to say... IF we lose in IL today, it's a temporary loss. DON'T be discouraged. IL will be like NY the first time around. We'll just come back with a bill next year and win. Or you know, the SCOTUS can make it happen....

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    They're back from recess. Word is it'll be happening anytime now!

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    According to my friend who's there right now, there'll be no vote until November at the earliest :/ I guess it's better to postpone than to loss, but it's sad for a state that has the ambition of being more than just another piece of Midwest...
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    I wish I had been wrong on this one..I really did. But if they had the votes,it would have been called a long time ago. If DOMA section 3 is struck down,then it will be law suit time. Civil Unions aren't acknowledged by the government and if Illinois isn't willing to do the right thing on its own,then time to make the courts do it instead.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    People have to understand (and hopefully Kennendy and Roberts will as well) that just beause a state has a Democratic majority doesn't mean squat. Rhode Island passed marriage equality passed in RI because the three main Democrats whom were blocking it realized after almost being primaried that they wouldn't get that lucky a second time.
    Keep in mind many of the downstate and rural Democrats were going to vote no as well,hence the reason the Black Caucus was heavily lobbied to begin with. That does need to be highlighted in addition to the fact many of the black pastors whom did robocalls against gay marriage.
    It might be a moot point. Not sure about the Prop 8 ruling if it gets punted but if Section 3 of DOMA is struck down,it will become clear civil unions are seperate and unequal and won't last long in states that have them and ban gay marriage.
    One way or another marriage equality will come to IL.

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    What I think honestly happened was several supporters at the last minute backed out due to a desire to wait until the deadline for primary challengers to register had passed. This was alluded to in several news articles. In other news Madigan has extended the deadline for the bills passage until August 31st. Could they be planning a special session this summer perhaps?

    http://www.towleroad.com/2013/06/ill...august-31.html

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    What I think honestly happened was several supporters at the last minute backed out due to a desire to wait until the deadline for primary challengers to register had passed. This was alluded to in several news articles. In other news Madigan has extended the deadline for the bills passage until August 31st. Could they be planning a special session this summer perhaps?

    http://www.towleroad.com/2013/06/ill...august-31.html
    They could but only itme will tell. I do think a lot of places are waiting until the Supreme Court ruling as well. IMO,Section 3 of DOMA is going to be struck down on state's rights issues. What they do with Prop 8 is anyone's guess at this point. Even if they punt on Prop 8.there will be a clear case for states that have domestic partnerships or civil unions to show that they are unequal to marriage because the federal government won't acknowledge them.

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    The special session in Illinois will take place next month, shortly after the Supreme Court has issued their rulings. Illinois Unites for Marriage is already stepping things up, scheduling more lobby days and developing better strategy (incumbent protection, coalition building, etc.). If things stay the course they are we have a good chance of passing the bill.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    We have to wait and see. IF Doma is struck down,I see marriage equality happening because there will be a nice fat lawsuit waiting to happen if it doesn't.

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