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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    saw clips of peope protesting against gay marriage..anyone who thinks hate is behind their logic is fooling themselves or doesn't care.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Many people here in Chicago have been taking road trips down to Springfield to talk to the elected officials. It looks like it will pass within a few days if it's not delayed.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Remember too that the Republicans have indicated that they want this passed soon to get it out of the way. If it comes to it I'm sure several will step in and vote for its passage.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Not a surprise sadly. THe same scenario is being played out in Rhode Island as well. Just because someone has a D next to their name doesn't mean they'll be on board with marriage equality.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    The bill may have to be amended to afford stronger religious exemptions (they should look to us here in Minnesota for help in that area!). Remember that this survey is based off speculation, not what some lawmakers have explicity stated. The good news is that a second Republican seems to be supportive.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Some possible positive developments:

    http://chicagophoenix.com/2013/03/01...l-on-the-line/

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    And Rhode Island to boot; Democrats have an 84% majority there.

    I think there will be primary challenges in Rhode Island if nothing happens, although Paiva-Weed has promised a debate.
    I think so as well. The only reason Paiva-Weed has promised a debate is because she knows with the tide turning so fast,especially in the NE that there's no way she and others can keep putting it off or shelving the bill. THis isn't Wyoming or the South.
    BUt make no mistake,she is one of the key reasons gay marriage isn't in Rhode Island right now and she should be called out on it.
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Ma...l-in-Illinois/

    Here's a list of all the people needed to be reached. And myself and others have pointed out,just because a person had a D next to their name,doesn't mean they will support same sex marriage rights.
    Quite a few D's among the no votes.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    .
    From the Mayor of Chicago:

    Illinois Gay Marriage: Rahm Emanuel Says 'Clock Is Ticking' On Marriage Equality Bill


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...hp_ref=chicago

    How 'bout it Illinois!

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Something tells me that the Republicans are going to save this bill. Remember earlier how they did say that they wanted the bill passed fast and out of the way.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    .
    From the Mayor of Chicago:

    Illinois Gay Marriage: Rahm Emanuel Says 'Clock Is Ticking' On Marriage Equality Bill


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...hp_ref=chicago

    How 'bout it Illinois!
    Why is Rahm giving us the finger in the picture at that link?
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    In a funny way,the Republicians very well may save this bill,purely for political purposes. They want the governor's mansion back and if they can get the votes in,Quinn won't be able to use this as an issue.

    P.S. sad that our rights should be determined this way to begin with.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    I have sent messages to the undecideds but if you live in these areas MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Sadly saw this coming. Too many undecided on the Democrats and Republicians side. And I'll say what I've said before. If the Catholic church and other religious groups want to get involved in politics like this,revoke their tax extempt status.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    There are always several who don't publicly reveal how they will vote until it's time. Regardless, Harris says we are MUCH closer then that, and I trust his word more then the speaker.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    we'll have to wait and see I guess.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Sadly saw this coming. Too many undecided on the Democrats and Republicians side. And I'll say what I've said before. If the Catholic church and other religious groups want to get involved in politics like this,revoke their tax extempt status.
    Remember: the Catholic and Mormon Church contributed heavily to approval of Prop. 8 in California. Revoke their tax exempt status? In the words of the illustrious Chris Wallace of Fox, "Not going to happen."

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    The same thing is said about gay adoption, that as soon as we got the right to adopt jointly, then all the sudden gay men everywhere would be pressured to adopt children. Well that didn't happen, and neither will it happen on marriage.

    It is also ironic that the people in the gay community opposing gay marriage because it is too traditional are all so worried about being pressured to be traditional.

    Others and I are not going to stop advocating equality for the gay community just so you and others can be *assured* that you will never feel hypothetical pressure that has not materialized in other areas of gay rights.
    Ya know after all that you do to help the gay community for us, I can really say I appreciate what you do. Now after today.......... no I can't do that to you. PM to follow.
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...r=Gay%20Voices

    This fool could very well hurt the gay marriage debate in Illinois. Expect the anti-gay people to milk this for all it's worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...r=Gay%20Voices

    This fool could very well hurt the gay marriage debate in Illinois. Expect the anti-gay people to milk this for all it's worth.
    Eh, the FRC shooting didn't kill any of the ballot efforts in 2012. I expect this won't do any real harm to the effort.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Here in Minnesota everyone was freaking out about the glitter bombing craze and how it was going to kill support for our side.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Prop 8 and DOMA are both brain dead and on life support. Nate Silver projects almost 60% support in Illinois by 2016. The force of circumstances is going to smother Illinois's opposition one way or another. A couple of death threats by idiots on our side aren't going to put a dent in that.
    Recent history has taught us that it's counter-productive to contradict Nate Silver's numbers!

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    Yeah, I would believe him.
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    I would as well..no surprise Alabama and good ol Miss will be among the last ones to allow gay marriage

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    There are good people,even in the BIble Belt states but sadly just as many bigots too.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    The feed is pretty choppy but here is the link to live coverage of the Senate debate today.

    http://www.ilga.gov/senate/audvid.asp#

    Illinois passed civil unions two years ago, but Democrats are already pushing an equal marriage bill expected to pass into law this year. Senator Heather Steans filed the bill earlier this year, with a successful committee vote 9-5. The Illinois Senate has a Democratic supermajority 40-19. The Democrats have a majority in the House as well, 71-47.

    Hopefully a vote will follow today.
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Sad to say but I agree with Razor. I fear it will be another 20-30 years before we see equality in all the states.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    They reelect CHuck Grassley but if Steve King runs..that might be a whole different ballgame.

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    ^^^Great news!

    Internal sources are saying that the bill actually requires fewer then a dozen votes as publicly claimed. The actual number is around a handful.

    In Minnesota it's the same way. Publicly one thing is said but privately we know we're very close.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    I do think we will see marriage equality in RI and IL this year. MN I'm crossing my fingers for.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I do think we will see marriage equality in RI and IL this year. MN I'm crossing my fingers for.
    Springfield freaking better get this darn show on the road already!! Frankly, I was shocked and dismayed IOWA beat us to the punch...we were the first state in the nation to decriminalize sodomy way back in 1965! Also, Chicago had the first gay rights group, way before the Mattachine Society of NYC and SF. Hopefully, we can get it done before California! [what can I say, the Prop. 8 mess gives me a bit of schadenfreude, so sue me ]
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    They are trying to get the last few votes and you can't blame the Republicans on this one. Democrats have a supermajority in both chambers. If they wanted this passed it would be passed already.
    Sad to say but many of the black churches in Illinois are fighting marriage equality tooth and nail and threating officials they wil leave the party if marriage equality is enacted.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    They are trying to get the last few votes and you can't blame the Republicans on this one.
    Democrats have a supermajority in both chambers.
    Unfortunately, the supermajority is comprised of conservative Democrats as well as liberal ones. Not too super.

    Sad to say but many of the black churches in Illinois are fighting marriage equality tooth and nail and threating officials they will leave the party if marriage equality is enacted.
    See ya!

    Certain African-American clergymen (and their followers) are of the belief that their civil rights are more legitimate than ours...under the misguided notion that homosexuality is a choice, unlike race.

    In Illinois, we have Prop. 8 redux of sorts. We could use a little positive influence from someone like Ted Olson, et al. The Catholics and the Mormons especially are pouring lots of dough into the holy crusade to prevent the Equality of Marriage bill from passing.

    Posted below is a picture of Francis Cardinal George, the bishop of the Archdiocese of Chicago. It seems that there was a slight kurfuffle over the Pride Parade last year... that it was disrupting the parishioners observing 12:15 mass that was situated along the parade route. Rather than trying to compromise, Cardinal George went into a tantrum calling our tactics like those of Hitler and the Nazis (for which he apologized.)

    Needless to say, the parade went forth and the Cardinal just had to lump it. By the way, the parade simply was rescheduled.

    I would rather not trash the Cardinal in this post. I'll just let the picture below do most of the talking.



    I hope against hope that the Marriage Equality Bill will pass, but I'm not holding my breath.

    Ed. note: the Catholic Church should be cleaning up its own act instead of picking on us.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Certain African-American clergymen (and their followers) are of the belief that their civil rights are more legitimate than ours...under the misguided notion that homosexuality is a choice, unlike race.

    Sadly,that is the case in Illinois. I'm sorry but there hasn't been just one Civil Rights movement in our history. And I hate when people who have suffered horrific bigotry themselves use it as a shield to do it to others.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    This is the last week or so to pass marriage equality. Some reports say they have the 60 votes..others believe if they did they would have brought it to a vote by now.
    It would be really disappointing after all of our victories to see us lose one.
    One thing to keep in mind,this will show not all Democrats are for marriage equality. There are many Democrats in Illinois and elsewhere that can't seperate church and state any more then Republicans can and they are the ones that are holding this back.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    So what happens if it doesn't go to the senate this week?
    There will be no marriage equality in Illinois this year.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    They come back into session in the fall, so if it doesn't pass in 2 weeks they could vote on it then.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Hopefully they'll just vote on it now. If not,IF section 3 of DOMA is done away with as well as Prop 8 being dismissed on standing,I can see a lawsuit being filed.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/l...ll-/42849.html

    They say they have the votes..we'll just have to wait and see.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Here's hoping.

    After all, I live in this same state.
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    We'll have to wait and see.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    So what happens if it doesn't go to the senate this week?
    With all due respect, the bill already has been passed by the senate. It's getting the votes in the house that has been the difficult part. If Illinois is really a blue state, we're going to find out how blue. We're going see how influential the anti-amendment factions really are.


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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Indeed we will..the problem is in a blue state like Illinois or Rhode Island, many Democrats have no reason to hide their anti-gay biases like they might in other states.

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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Getting down to the wire..it's anyone's guess if they have the 60 votes but I'm guessing no otherwise they would have brought it to the floor by now.
    The black cactus in Illinois is strongly pressuring all their members to vote no on this bill due to (you guessed it) religious issues.

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    Well, except they say they have the votes, and are just waiting for the bill's sponsors to put it up to a vote. So cut the doom and gloom, Captain Negativity, and keep it for AFTER the end of the month if it's still needed -_-
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    Re: Illinois Senate Marriage Equality Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The black cactus in Illinois is strongly pressuring all their members to vote no on this bill due to (you guessed it) religious issues.
    Ouch! Freudian slip? Actually, it fits anyway. There are lots of pricks in that caucus.

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