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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Quote Originally Posted by hylas View Post
    wait i did what now?!?!?!?!?
    That should read "Hylas asked why he could not make more white friends"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dereperez View Post
    Your experiment is interesting, but I don't think a sample size of five is really much to go on. Maybe if there were multiple accounts (with different photos and personality combinations) of each race/ethnicity...that would be something more to go by...
    umm five is quite a lot considering
    each person met countless people for many years ??


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    Quote Originally Posted by FanofFiction View Post
    For almost one year we had two straight people (male and female) to chat online with gay men about relationships, sex, politics, and more sex.
    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    umm five is quite a lot considering
    each person met countless people for many years ??
    Yes, the countless people for many years part must have been sandwiched in there in the middle of the OP, right around that bit about hobbits and dildo abuse.

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    I think if the experiment is going to be criticised on the basis of duration, it would be helpful for people to state what duration would be valid. Even better if they could demonstrate some statistical intervals of confidence based on the duration.

    At the moment, that particular criticism strikes me as one of convenience: if it had been a one-year experiment, the critics would want two year. If it had been a two-year experiment, only four years would do. If they had gone for six months, only a year could be valid…oh, wait!!!
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    I do not share the viewpoint that the duration was too short. My only point is that the "conclusions" opined by FanofFiction don't seem supported by the events necessarily, plus the running observation that hookup sites may not be representative of particularly anything in the larger society.

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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Oh for fucks sake, people. As a BLACK GAY MAN I can vouch for the OP, and I know that the OP's points are extremely VALID and TRUE. He's just SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT MANY GAY MINORITIES DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS.

    I had to "deal" with online dating (and dating in the gay world in general) for nearly ten years...

    He's not bullshitting us. Stop the petty arguing and back and forth. The shit is TRUE. If you're here to refute his findings...then fuck off, and stop wasting your time (on top of insulting people who really deal with this bullshit).



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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    The truth sometimes hurts. The OP is correct and his observations are spot on. I've held back from commenting on this because I sometimes make controversial yet direct statements on this topic. I'll keep it reserved. People will hold these viewpoints of racial/ethnic minorities within the gay community. They want the hunky white gay guy, and will ignore others like black and latino men. Even on JUB, mediocre looking white guys get more attention than black or latin men (this is my own observation!). People can argue all they want, but the truth is the truth.

    That's all I will say on this matter.

    As far as Medusa, I am certain that Medusa isn't either of those posters, refuj. The MO is completely different.

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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    i'm sure you know living in westchester that the new york tri state area is probably one of the most racist and most segregated areas in the united states. it's REALLY that bad. this doesn't surprise me at all. over here in north jersey, it's just as bad. i happen to live in a community which has a mixed population. when you go west, it gets whiter. when you go east, it gets blacker. if you're black, you have to watch your ass either way. you have the folks in those uppity towns which have a high white population that don't want you there or they think that they're a crook or something. then you have the poor communities with a high black population where some folks such as some idiots with nothing better to do are looking for trouble and being black just makes you a target for folks to bring their trouble to. in either community, you have the cops looking at you as if you're the number one suspect. i remember waiting at the bus stop in irvington waiting for a 25 bus so i can go to the lgbt center in new york where the police was across the street looking over at me thinking i was a drug dealer. the officer was a black man like me. it's messed up. i can go on about the many times i've been harassed by cops being treated like i was a drug kingpin or a damn murderer like the time i was in warren county and some dickhead bitchmade fucking cop was trying to rough me up. i hope somebody capped that punk ass bitch's ass.
    yes westchester county has a lot of racist people in it...for sure it more in the northern westchester areas.. these same people pretend they're not racist when there actions speaks louder then words... like Targets in Mount Kisco NY in westchester hire many blacks but refuse to promote them to higher positions. they rather give it to an unexperience white person who know nothing about the job. how i know this , i have friends that work there.. plus a lot of white customers complain that they have too many black cashiers working at the store one customer yelled out you have to many nigger working here.

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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Even on JUB, mediocre looking white guys get more attention than black or latin men (this is my own observation!).
    I'm curious--who are those mediocre looking white guys?

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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    It's not important. As I said it is a general observation and I'm not going to get into the business of pointing fingers.

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    Oh, it's quite important. You've basically just insulted every white guy who posted a pic in that thread, until you can narrow things down for everyone.

    You can just tell me in PM if you'd like. You can totally trust me. I wouldn't mention it again.

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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Getting difficult to separate the idiots, morons, trolls, thinkers, non thinkers, the
    articulate and the mouths here that have a dictionary/thesaurus someone taught
    them to read before giving one to them JMPO&O

    1. In my time here, Hard-up1 has been consistently articulate (even when his POV might
    not be as valid.
    ...Put this, none relevant to the thread, whine aside...

    2. It's all white peoples fault...or so it sounds

    AMERINDS have a fuckwad more to complain about as to discrimination and abject racism.

    3. O/Pp made his statement when he opened this thread.

    Anybody remember what it was?

    I don't claim to KNOW-It-All but in the gay or straight world I have observed more latent
    discrimination of all varieties by percentage points With Gays. (over 1/3rd of the world)
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    as long as we are off the threads original topic..........JMHO...
    One last stab and I will leave you before some Admin/Mod decides to Ban me tonight.

    Since 1776, the USA has stumbled, fumbled faltered and had relapses BUT, women, people
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    In fact, the 'Homogeneity and heterogeneity' in the US has moved all forms of equality
    farther forward in a little over 200 years than most of the planet has in thousands.taken more
    more and bigger strides for all humanity than any other place I know. remember, JMHO

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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Razor: It's not that important. It's just how I feel about the looks of guys in that thread in general. My own personal thoughts. Moving right along.

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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    The truth sometimes hurts. The OP is correct and his observations are spot on. I've held back from commenting on this because I sometimes make controversial yet direct statements on this topic. I'll keep it reserved. People will hold these viewpoints of racial/ethnic minorities within the gay community. They want the hunky white gay guy, and will ignore others like black and latino men. Even on JUB, mediocre looking white guys get more attention than black or latin men (this is my own observation!). People can argue all they want, but the truth is the truth.

    That's all I will say on this matter.

    As far as Medusa, I am certain that Medusa isn't either of those posters, refuj. The MO is completely different.


    But oh so true, and on that note....

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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    Yes, the countless people for many years part must have been sandwiched in there in the middle of the OP, right around that bit about hobbits and dildo abuse.

    Remember?
    I don't read and skipped alot !!


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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    There is a racial hierarchy with gay and bisexual guys and at the bottom of it are Asians and blacks. Some Latinos far a little better but only if they are "more European" in appearance.

    I've come to the conclusion over the last 5 years that the majority of white gay and bisexual guys especially here in North America (to a certain extent Australia but that another convo), just doesn't get it. Most either reveled in their privilege or oblivious to the realities of being a non-white and gay/bisexual.

    My advice to non-whites that are non-racial specific about dating is this, if you want to be with a white guy you are better off looking for those that aren't originally from the US or most of Canada for that matter. In other words, look for a European that is equally yoked as yourself intellectually and culturally. You might find a few here domestically in the US that are open to actual interracial dating (not fetishization), but they are few and far between for you. Oh yeah, they are most likely in places like Toronto, Washington DC, New York, the San Francisco Bay Area (not San Francisco "the city" proper rather the region as a whole), New Orleans, or Miami. I would say here in Atlanta, but lord knows that would be more a lie than the truth as racially segregated the LGBTs are here...

    Personally, I'm non-specific about race, but find myself with time wanting more to settle down with another black American male. I don't have time for all that aforementioned shenanigans and racial politicking mentioned above. In addition, I'm dating somebody (he is black) that makes me happy, thus have no reason to be looking at the moment.
    Last edited by kayman23; February 18th, 2013 at 01:22 AM.

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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Quote Originally Posted by kayman23 View Post
    There is a racial hierarchy with gay and bisexual guys and at the bottom of it are Asians and blacks. Some Latinos far a little better but only if they are "more European" in appearance.
    What is the likelihood that this is simply because there are more out white guys than the other racial groups (assuming there are)? As a result, they tend to stick with what they know and with what they experience more often, which is guys like them.

    I mean, would we think it racist if on Manhunt Japan (for example) the Japanese gay guys were top of the pile? Or Brazilian guys in Brazil? Has this research been done on a site which has a majority non-white clientele? I think perhaps the data might be skewed, frankly.

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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    I mean, would we think it racist if on Manhunt Japan (for example) the Japanese gay guys were top of the pile? Or Brazilian guys in Brazil? Has this research been done on a site which has a majority non-white clientele? I think perhaps the data might be skewed, frankly.

    -d-
    I think showing that Japanese gay culture was just as racist would not be a way of disproving the findings here. Maybe a way of reinterpreting them: "It sucks to be an ethnic minority in any part of the world, because the majority tends to form a wall of exclusion around itself." Well -- hooray??
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Quote Originally Posted by FanofFiction View Post
    Our second observation was that thet next two highest races on the desirability heirarchy were there in a negative placement. They were there for fetish reasons more than anything. Black men were fetished and objectified predominantly by white men, who themselves identified as bottoms. Even on sites or with profiles which sought friendship and chat, black profiles were approached strictly for sexual purposes. Asian profiles were equally objectified by white men who identified as tops who wanted to dominate, use, and own the Asian men. In both cases, there was a general disregard for the ethnic minority's preferences, opinions, feelings, and a detachment from getting to know the gay person as a person.
    I'm curious to know if you did (or how you possibly could) control for the way minority profiles present their own ethnicity as part of their strategy for connecting with other guys.

    For instance, I notice a lot of BlkTop, BlackDude, BlkInches, 9InchBlk, ThickBlack, BiBlk… black this black that… to which my reaction has always been you don't say…. It's obvious that many black people draw attention to or promote their blackness as part of their strategy for finding a hook-up or a boyfriend. Same thing with the number of AZNbtms or azn this azn that… There is a large portion of ethnic minority posters, particularly in the two "objectified" groups, who emphasize their ethnicity in a way that white guys generally do not.

    Possibly because that's what works? Here's my theory: assume most people are just looking for a partner. A small group of white men are intrigued by a stereotype of being dominated by a black man or being in charge of an asian man - historical baggage, who knows, but it's there. But a "small group" of white men means there are more than enough white guys looking for this compared to the much smaller black or asian population in north america. It may be only one in ten white guys looking for that kind of relationship, but it's enough for every black guy to have his inbox filled with desperate "fuck me with your big black rod" emails, and every asian guy to have to wade through "I'm going to pin down your sweet asian ass etc…."

    Enough to be an obvious trend to asian and black singles. Enough to be eye-rollingly obvious. And, the fun thing is, if you're asian or black, and just looking for a quick hook-up, then it's a really easy angle to work if you're horny and looking for a date on Saturday evening. So people work it, because they're just looking for what works too.

    It reinforces what goes into the profiles of asian and black posters, they know there is at least one reliable audience, which amplifies the interest from fetishists, and alienates the white guys just looking for a boyfriend. The actual fetish fantasy probably wouldn't come across as that icky if it was just two white guys who enjoyed some kind of dominant submissive fantasy. But after a while, it ceases to be fun for the minority population who really just started out looking for the same things everyone else did on that site. Seems like a pretty fucked up racial dynamic, so they call it. And then the 9 out of 10 white guys who don't have that kind of fetish interest all say "WTF are you talking about? That's not how white people are. That's not what I'm looking for…you're imagining things! You. Are. Over. Sensitive."

    And then it's 8 pages of popcorn about white privilege and "it's not racist" and bla bla bla.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    I don't read
    Yes, but it didn't impair your willingness to refute a valid criticism about the same size used.

    It's not unlike coming upon a purse snatcher and his victim, and deciding to jump in and swat the victim just because she didn't come across as a nice person.

    Just toss away the facts and start taking positions without bothering to read the OP. Sounds like fun.
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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I think showing that Japanese gay culture was just as racist would not be a way of disproving the findings here. Maybe a way of reinterpreting them: "It sucks to be an ethnic minority in any part of the world, because the majority tends to form a wall of exclusion around itself." Well -- hooray??
    Exactly. In other words, "it's not just you." I'm not saying it's right; I am saying there is actually more than one big bad wolf out there.

    On the plus side it would make us nasty white bastards not the only racists out there. And then, as if by magic, these sort of threads would vanish, along with cut/uncut and all-bi-guys-are-evil-because-I-said so. /hopespringseternal

    Personally, I'm tired of being the bad guy just because nobody has bothered to think beyond their own situation for more than 2 seconds before launching these sweeping statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    same sample size used.













    ,,,,,,,,,,
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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Quote Originally Posted by Huntneo(PT) View Post
    Oh for fucks sake, people. As a BLACK GAY MAN I can vouch for the OP, and I know that the OP's points are extremely VALID and TRUE. He's just SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT MANY GAY MINORITIES DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS.

    I had to "deal" with online dating (and dating in the gay world in general) for nearly ten years...

    He's not bullshitting us. Stop the petty arguing and back and forth. The shit is TRUE. If you're here to refute his findings...then fuck off, and stop wasting your time (on top of insulting people who really deal with this bullshit).



    God dammit!!!!!!!1111111
    Dont bother some of them are either oblivious on in denial. Here's a hug from a black woman. Try dating your own, or other gay minority men

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    I am saying there is actually more than one big bad wolf out there

    -d-
    The underlying assumptions bear real examination. The contention that sexual preference in race constitutes harmful racism is not here proven as any societal ill or hardship. Who has the right to date another gay man of your choosing? WHO?

    Showing that interracial couples experience unequal treatment in access to housing, employment and respect in society is evidence of significant consequences. Proving that Japanese prefer Japanese sexual partners, or Ugandans prefer Ugandans is neither news nor is it necessarily representative of some hidden racial ill.

    The U.S. has plenty of interracial marriages. They produce interracial children. There are some who may not be fully accepting of the unions and the offspring, as noted in the Black History Month thread currently. In that thread, it was mentioned casually as some Blacks look down on the intermarriages because it implies Blacks have been overlooked in preference for white partners. The white disrespect for it has also been well known. But, guess what? Even in the South interracial marriages aren't being shunned today. Does that mean there aren't bigots yet out there? No, but it does mean the culture has progressed. Isn't that the realistic goal, to keep making progress, not to presume we reach nirvana?

    The point about who's pics evoke more reactions than others in Post a Pic threads is evidence of bias. That bias is only that there is a majority demographic and minorities. When I see reactions to posted pics, I see more than a few white guys that post and then experience an awkward silence of no reactions posted. I've also PMd with really hot white guys who post a face pic and then reveal to me that they only get 2-3 responses, hardly the basis for a conclusion about some undue favoritism.

    And, I challenge anyone to contact JUB members who are minority races and ask them if they only got PMs or comments from their own race, or if white responses were objectifying. I know from my own interactions on this site that it is simply not true.

    You could take the OP and replace all the statements about racial minorities and replace them with a fat gay man, and get essentially the same results, but it doesn't demonstrate that harm has been done to a fat gay man trying to date where he apparently has no appeal. He has no "right" to date men who find him unattractive, and he suffers no privation by then not finding him attractive. It's sexual attraction, and that includes intellect, appearance, and culture. Race is a part of appearance. There is no onus for gay men to like hairy and smooth guys either, nor redheads.

    Demonstrating that no one likes fat gay men might be significant. Demonstrating that no gay men like to date minorities would be indicative of something relevant. But that minorities are minorities isn't news in demographics.
    Last edited by Hard-up1; February 18th, 2013 at 07:19 AM.

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    I'm Asian and I can also vouch for the op. I recently dated a black guy and thru him I've connected with the gay black culture for the first time. I met many black guys who told me they'd never slept with a white guy. When I asked why, they said they'd been dealing with racist attitudes all their lives and they didn't want to deal with it on a personal level like that.

    Let me tell you, I met some black guys that were gorgeous. Met some Hispanics that were gorgeous as well. If you're just into whites, you're missing out. I've met some Asians that were to die for.

    If you're just into whites, you're missing out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshyPhoenix View Post
    Okay, I know I'm a bit late to the party, but here are a few tips:

    1. Nobody's going to read that massive wall of text in its entirety.

    2. Even if someone did read the entire thing, you raised far too many points for anyone to reply to.

    3. Everything that can conceivably be said about race has already been posted on here before.

    4. These threads always turn into shit-slinging festivals, rendering them pointless (see: #3 above).
    Let me shorten your post for you:

    "I'm not comfortable reading or talking about it, so no one else should."

    Done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpectatingLoner View Post
    Let me shorten your post for you:

    "I'm not comfortable reading or talking about it, so no one else should."

    Done.
    I'm entirely comfortable talking about race. I'm actually part Native. It's just pointless to discuss it when every single race thread turns into exactly what this one turned out to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    Exactly. In other words, "it's not just you." I'm not saying it's right; I am saying there is actually more than one big bad wolf out there.

    On the plus side it would make us nasty white bastards not the only racists out there. And then, as if by magic, these sort of threads would vanish, along with cut/uncut and all-bi-guys-are-evil-because-I-said so. /hopespringseternal

    Personally, I'm tired of being the bad guy just because nobody has bothered to think beyond their own situation for more than 2 seconds before launching these sweeping statements.

    -d-
    Your comment was made entirely coming from a perspective that this topic or what anyone is talking about is "only white people in the U.S. do this to any degree." Japan is an incredibly racist culture. It's if anything decades behind the U.S. (being kind) on the issue of how non members of the mainstream (whites are an honorary exception for the most part) are treated socially in Japan.

    Pointing out that there are other very racist cultures, especially if we have to primarily look for extremely homogenous cultures in order to make the comparison, isn't a vindication of racial prejudice in the U.S.

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    Re: My revised outlook on racism in the gay community

    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post
    What is the likelihood that this is simply because there are more out white guys than the other racial groups (assuming there are)? As a result, they tend to stick with what they know and with what they experience more often, which is guys like them.

    I mean, would we think it racist if on Manhunt Japan (for example) the Japanese gay guys were top of the pile? Or Brazilian guys in Brazil? Has this research been done on a site which has a majority non-white clientele? I think perhaps the data might be skewed, frankly.

    -d-
    Yeah, it's one they know as much as the media here in the US is very diverse and inclusive about its visual portrayals of the actual diversity in this nation. Oh yeah, the first nation is known for its insular culture so its not applicable then the second is known for its diversity like the US, so it would be another faulty analogy. More of doesn't equate into "more familiar" because if that was the case why is that so many Western European states seem to elude this very problem in most aspects of its social interactions?

    Your home country is also a good example to ask and mention in this very problem considering whites are minorities in South Africa...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post

    Some of the worst hypocrites are some white gay men who call themselves "liberal."

    They're always politically correct, and are quick to call other people "racist".

    Yet, if you notice who almost all their friends are, who they chat with online & at the gay clubs, who they hook up & date, and who they take to brunch on Sunday morning..........they're all white gay men!!! Where is this so-called "diversity" they love?
    Reminds me of the now defunct Connexion.org. Had several White gay members calling people out for being racist and only preferring White people and twinks etc., they were really in your face about it; but their friends' list, personal photos of them offline with friends, youtube videos of them hanging out with friends etc. were virtually all of young, slim, White good looking men -- yet they lived in cities with diversity such as New York and Los Angeles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalBob View Post
    Reminds me of the now defunct Connexion.org. Had several White gay members calling people out for being racist and only preferring White people and twinks etc., they were really in your face about it; but their friends' list, personal photos of them offline with friends, youtube videos of them hanging out with friends etc. were virtually all of young, slim, White good looking men -- yet they lived in cities with diversity such as New York and Los Angeles.
    don't we all know that person that claims to be against prejudiced, ready to call other people out and etc BUT yet harbor prejudices themselves, fronting like they and the people they're against aren't one in the same. can't stand people like those. they're not doing anybody any favor period. i got much respect for someone that just admits how they feel instead of hiding it.
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    Indians (South Asians) fare the worst in the gay community, even worse than Black gay men & other Asians...
    I can't believe I missed this gem of a post...

    Perhaps changing the political views could help... as that sounds more like a personal reflection.

    Some of the worst hypocrites are some white gay men who call themselves "liberal." They usually love to talk about how they voted for Obama (twice), they praise Black civil rights leaders like MLK & Rosa Parks, and these white gay men often come from small towns in the South & Midwest. They move to places like San Francisco & New York & Chicago to be more "accepted" and in a place with more "diversity." They're always politically correct, and are quick to call other people "racist".
    LMAO Where did this come from? Thin air? The gay white men who call themselves liberal are actually more accepting than those who are gay republicans. I also seem to notice one dates gay white republicans and prefers gay white republicans... what does that say about consistency? Latinos and black men aren't on your list from what I recall.

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    LMAO Where did this come from? Thin air? The gay white men who call themselves liberal are actually more accepting than those who are gay republicans. I also seem to notice one dates gay white republicans and prefers gay white republicans... what does that say about consistency? Latinos and black men aren't on your list from what I recall.
    The people I would say this about outside of CE&P can be counted on a fraction of one hand, but I think we all just need to accept that Jayqueer is completely defunct in the reality and reason department, and shaped entirely by a set of slanted, one-dimensional ideas that have been spoonfed into his brain from his upbringing, background and family. They almost never make sense and the only consistency to them is villifying anything corrupted by the taint of "liberalism."

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    speaking of racism.

    this has me busting out laughing.

    look out for the newest wave that's about to sweep the world.

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    Pointing out that there are other very racist cultures, especially if we have to primarily look for extremely homogenous cultures in order to make the comparison, isn't a vindication of racial prejudice in the U.S.
    Fair enough. However, this thread suggests that the institutional racism experienced by non-white US-based Mahunters from white US-based Manhunters is a pandemic and I'm not sure this is the whole story.

    I'm also not sure how good a microcosm JUB (or any other online community) is in terms of worldwide queerdom, frankly - the lack of consensus on most topics which pop up in here speaks volumes as to how diverse (fractured, even) our opinions are, and assuming that the primarily American online presence on these dating and "lifestyle" sites is an accurate representation of the world at large is ill-advised at best.


    Personally, I still wonder about the stats. People tend to be attracted to people like them - if not the bulk of us would be multiracial and/or in interracial relationships; I'm sure these numbers are on the rise, but I'm not sure they'll ever be the majority. I'm also fairly sure this attraction is genetic. Still, if the bulk of the members on these dating sites are of a particular ilk, surely this will result in the most hits for that ilk. If the proportions of each race which go online differ hugely from real-world figures of gay people, I believe that is where the problem lies.

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    speaking of racism.

    this has me busting out laughing.

    look out for the newest wave that's about to sweep the world.

    http://www.giftemezu.com/2012/08/whi...g-melanin.html

    http://www.the-coli.com/locker-room/...melanotan.html
    i saw something like this on the Oprah show back in day this white guy took something to make his skin dark just to see what is life would be like as black man walking down the street.. he ran back home and stayed inside until the drug wore out cause he couldnt believe how racist people acted towards him.. he said he now knows what is like for black people. with all the racism in the world...

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    Personally, I still wonder about the stats. People tend to be attracted to people like them - if not the bulk of us would be multiracial and/or in interracial relationships; I'm sure these numbers are on the rise, but I'm not sure they'll ever be the majority. I'm also fairly sure this attraction is genetic. real-world figures of gay people, I believe that is where the problem lies.
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    Really? Really?



    Really?
    In my experience that is not intuitive at all. I have seen diversity in three stages in Canada. Going from an all-white country to tiny minorities that integrate happily and deliberately because they came here to get away and there's no one else to hang out with. Followed by a greater inbound wave of minority cultures, which integrates less fully. Newcomers have more in common with each other, and there are enough to stay together. Followed by the dissolving of those groups into a more pluralistic community where people live, work, and socialise together -and date each other- and it really takes everone's effort to make a society happen. Understanding what people are getting into remains important. But similarity or matching is not a criteria.

    I know this is an assumption but I wonder if your perspective is actually an artefact of the society you're in and perhaps more time in a more integrated and diverse shared society would change your observations not so much about society but about the nature of attraction itself.
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    speaking of racism.

    this has me busting out laughing.

    look out for the newest wave that's about to sweep the world.

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    ^^Yes, really.

    Humans as Homo sapiens have been around for a couple million years by now; the different races from differing locales have been interacting for the last several thousand of them. Yet the bulk of us are not interracial, even though there is a single unbroken line from Lisbon to very near the Bering Strait and down south to Singapore. Up until the Suez was built, we could include Cape Point in that, and as a result I'd expect the whole of Eurasia to be significantly more homogeneous than it is. Speaks volumes, in my opinion.

    I'll concede that it is probably an oversimplified view, not exactly taking things like geography and historical ease of travel into account. So I'd be interested to see it in a thousand years' time.

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    ^^Yes, really.

    Humans as Homo sapiens have been around for a couple million years by now; the different races from differing locales have been interacting for the last several thousand of them. Yet the bulk of us are not interracial, even though there is a single unbroken line from Lisbon to very near the Bering Strait and down south to Singapore. Up until the Suez was built, we could include Cape Point in that, and as a result I'd expect the whole of Eurasia to be significantly more homogeneous than it is. Speaks volumes, in my opinion.

    I'll concede that it is probably an oversimplified view, not exactly taking things like geography and historical ease of travel into account. So I'd be interested to see it in a thousand years' time.

    -d-
    Well if you're looking at it that way, the main problem with your theory is that an overwhelming bulk of people on the planet still, even with the increase in mobility and transportation, don't wind up more than 100 miles from where they were born. You can't point at the continuance of a majority of mono-racial couplings on the planet and say "well, that's just natural preference obviously" when most people on the planet only see people that look like themselves on a day to day basis, and the great majority of them won't ever leave their country or even their region.

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    This is gonna be an unpopular opinion for sure, but I'm predominantly attracted to white and Latino guys. Rarely to Asians, barely ever to black or Indian guys. I don't have any racist upbringing, nor do I suffer from the delusion that I'm superior in any way. I've had sexual experiences with most races, and I've enjoyed them. I did however grow up in a 99% white Eastern European country, where there simply weren't people of color. I didn't see them growing up, except for movies. Didn't go to school with them or have them as friends. Even since coming here to the US, Asians are the only seriously represented minority in the field I'm in. I can't help but think that this has played a major part in my sexual preferences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    This is gonna be an unpopular opinion for sure, but I'm predominantly attracted to white and Latino guys. Rarely to Asians, barely ever to black or Indian guys. I don't have any racist upbringing, nor do I suffer from the delusion that I'm superior in any way. I've had sexual experiences with most races, and I've enjoyed them. I did however grow up in a 99% white Eastern European country, where there simply weren't people of color. I didn't see them growing up, except for movies. Didn't go to school with them or have them as friends. Even since coming here to the US, Asians are the only seriously represented minority in the field I'm in. I can't help but think that this has played a major part in my sexual preferences.
    It does, so does the beauty standard. That's why my initial gripe wasn't with the experiment or with the findings it found, but with its conclusion that you go from attraction to presumptions of someone being racist.

    We don't come out of the womb with a sexual attraction to anyone. It's shaped over a lifetime of influences of both what we see and what we are told is beautiful, and what isn't. In any society where you mostly see one race and that race is also the one completely predominating in movies, ads, underwear modelling, magazines and everything else... it's going to be the exception, not the rule, that someone will up and say "but I find every single other group I've barely ever seen just as attractive."

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    ^^Yes, really.

    Humans as Homo sapiens have been around for a couple million years by now; the different races from differing locales have been interacting for the last several thousand of them. Yet the bulk of us are not interracial, even though there is a single unbroken line from Lisbon to very near the Bering Strait and down south to Singapore. Up until the Suez was built, we could include Cape Point in that, and as a result I'd expect the whole of Eurasia to be significantly more homogeneous than it is. Speaks volumes, in my opinion.

    I'll concede that it is probably an oversimplified view, not exactly taking things like geography and historical ease of travel into account. So I'd be interested to see it in a thousand years' time.

    -d-
    I find it interesting/humerus how several sci-fi shows portray the future with so much Asian influences. Firefly, Blade Runner, Fifth Element, Matrix... to name a few. Are they really predicted to population explode enough to take over the world that much???
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    Quote Originally Posted by gold3509 View Post
    i saw something like this on the Oprah show back in day this white guy took something to make his skin dark just to see what is life would be like as black man walking down the street.. he ran back home and stayed inside until the drug wore out cause he couldnt believe how racist people acted towards him.. he said he now knows what is like for black people. with all the racism in the world...
    i know what you're talking about. forgot who it was but yeah, racism runs deep. so deep that it's embedded within most people's psyche and they don't realize it because they grow up seeing it and are completely ignorant towards the history behind it. the problem is that some things that we grow up seeing thinking that it's okay isn't okay. for example, the "turkey in the straw" which is a jingle that usually plays when ice cream trucks drive through neighborhoods. "turkey in the straw" is actually some racist shit from back in the jim crow days.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_in_the_Straw



    sad enough, the history has been changed over time to the point where it's been gone and forgotten. that's something that you won't hear about on black history month which is why it's important to always keep an ear open to be informed. fuck waiting each feburary to know something that you can know any day of the year.

    but as far as racism goes in terms of dating, that's a complex thing but i do think that what you're attracted to has somewhat influenced by what you learn is deemed attractive in society. the television and media outlets are proof. eurocentrism is promoted daily. you look in the magazines and look @ the calvin klein ads, the underwear ads, men's health and you see nothing but white people as the models and eurocentrism being promote. shampoo commercials are another huge example. they talk about how "healthy" and "good" hair is supposed to be straight and that hair that is nappy is "bad" where they'll even go far as demonstrate a woman with nappy hair having problems combing her hair. with everything in society basically being themed around white supremacy ideology which puts white people on a damn pedestal all the time, of course, it's going to have an effect where people are going to hold white people on a higher standard than everybody else. you'll have white people feeling themselves thinking that they're the shit or better than black people, asian people, people of latino descent and the whole nine. can you blame them though when society beats it into people's heads? even looking @ this thread, you have some white posters basically discrediting nonwhite posters experiences with racism not realizing that when they do that, they're basically doing something racist in itself. they're basically thinking that because they're white, they're right or their opinion about things holds more value than the nonwhite person. that in itself is laughable. just because they can't relate to racism from a nonwhite person's perspective doesn't mean that it doesn't exists. that in itself is a racist thought. all forms of prejudiced such as sexism, racism, homophobia and etc is learned. the only way to counterattack them is by being educated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    That should read "Hylas asked why he could not make more white friends"
    yes i got that. im not completely stupid.
    i would just like to know where the hell i said anything even coming close to that.

    i may find your posts irritating, but ultimately they just reveal what kind of person you are, so thats fine and dandy.
    however, if you start putting words in my mouth... thats just low. really, really low. seriously, what the fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    I find it interesting/humerus how several sci-fi shows portray the future with so much Asian influences. Firefly, Blade Runner, Fifth Element, Matrix... to name a few. Are they really predicted to population explode enough to take over the world that much???
    Technically Asians are about half the population of the planet.. so it's not that sci fi set in the future predicts Asians will population boom, sci fi set in the future showing lots of Asian influence predicts that the dominance in voice/representation of people of European extraction when they're a minority of the human race will fade out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    i find it interesting/humerus how several sci-fi shows portray the future with so much asian influences. Firefly, blade runner, fifth element, matrix... To name a few. Are they really predicted to population explode enough to take over the world that much???
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    Gay white men still benefit the privileges of being white (yes I said it, and I don't give a damn),

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    and i'm a bit annoyed right now. i want to eat lunch upstairs in my room all alone. i DON'T want to eat it downstairs where i have to eat and hear my father trying to have bullshit conversations with me. my foods still in the microwave and my mom came home. she doesn't want me to eat upstairs ever since that rat problem we had last year in october. i really don't want to eat downstairs with my parents around especially my father. like i don't feel like listening to him telling me what the fuck is on tv when he knows i'm not watching it. i don't need him giving me play by play, telling me this person, talking to me about what happened 2 days ago and etc. not interested in him basically talking about himself or what he's thinking then at the same time, when i talk to him, he ignores me as if i don't exist. i don't like my father. he's a fucking narcissistic jackass.

    This is not one of your "Hi post here if you have feelings" thread. Bye.


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