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one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry
OOOOHHHHHHH. LOL. There was poster on here that told me racist gay white men did not exist, and that GAY was the new BLACK.lol. I wonder is he reading this thread.lol. I can guarantee that some of these gay white men, that look down on black gay people, or use them as sex objects, while screaming GAY RIGHTS,are the main ones wearing those pretty freshly pressed white sheets over their heads, drinking up a storm with their fellow "good ole' boys."
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The buck of the gay community:
I find this statement from post 1 interesting and worth repeating
"Problems plague Middle Eastern men. What is the reluctance to commincute with one another? Fear of being discovered by heterosexual members of the same race and alienation from the group or harsher punishment? Whenever we spoke to a Middle Eastern gay male, there was an air of secrecy about them. They would sometimes confide that they were scared of family, friends, or their community discovering their sexuality. This problem inhibits their ability to seek love or sex among their own race. This is also true of first and second generation Asian Americans. We did not really find this confession or sentiment among any other race to any notable extent."
NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.
Anyway carry on everyone.
on medusa, i don't THINK she's a woman. i think she's either enchanted or holyeggroll and that whoever it is, they're just trying to play a troll game on us.
and i'm a bit annoyed right now. i want to eat lunch upstairs in my room all alone. i DON'T want to eat it downstairs where i have to eat and hear my father trying to have bullshit conversations with me. my foods still in the microwave and my mom came home. she doesn't want me to eat upstairs ever since that rat problem we had last year in october. i really don't want to eat downstairs with my parents around especially my father. like i don't feel like listening to him telling me what the fuck is on tv when he knows i'm not watching it. i don't need him giving me play by play, telling me this person, talking to me about what happened 2 days ago and etc. not interested in him basically talking about himself or what he's thinking then at the same time, when i talk to him, he ignores me as if i don't exist. i don't like my father. he's a fucking narcissistic jackass.
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one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry
I heard that. That poor child. I bet this was a complete and total shock to his White parents. His mother was about to cry as she talked about it. I hear that the man drew blood. Horrible, horrible. Im not a violent person by any means but I think that I would have had to get physical with this guy. How can someone just assault a toddler.
I suppose that this level of racism could be surprising to anyone. In college, I was always quite surprised at how much my meer presence would evoke anger in people. Racism seems sp exhausting, you're always so angry.
Last edited by MissAnne; February 17th, 2013 at 02:49 PM.
" For all there is to feel, let it be felt"
― Emeli Sande
And if I was that mother on the plane, I would made have damn sure he would no longer going on slapping innocent babies all willy nilly. A large can of mace would do just fine. And maybe a taser.Bastard
Your experiment is interesting, but I don't think a sample size of five is really much to go on. Maybe if there were multiple accounts (with different photos and personality combinations) of each race/ethnicity...that would be something more to go by...
I think if the experiment is going to be criticised on the basis of duration, it would be helpful for people to state what duration would be valid. Even better if they could demonstrate some statistical intervals of confidence based on the duration.
At the moment, that particular criticism strikes me as one of convenience: if it had been a one-year experiment, the critics would want two year. If it had been a two-year experiment, only four years would do. If they had gone for six months, only a year could be valid…oh, wait!!!
Getting difficult to separate the idiots, morons, trolls, thinkers, non thinkers, the
articulate and the mouths here that have a dictionary/thesaurus someone taught
them to read before giving one to them JMPO&O
1. In my time here, Hard-up1 has been consistently articulate (even when his POV might
not be as valid.
...Put this, none relevant to the thread, whine aside...
2. It's all white peoples fault...or so it sounds
AMERINDS have a fuckwad more to complain about as to discrimination and abject racism.
3. O/Pp made his statement when he opened this thread.
Anybody remember what it was?
I don't claim to KNOW-It-All but in the gay or straight world I have observed more latent
discrimination of all varieties by percentage points With Gays. (over 1/3rd of the world)
as long as we are off the threads original topic..........JMHO...
One last stab and I will leave you before some Admin/Mod decides to Ban me tonight.
Since 1776, the USA has stumbled, fumbled faltered and had relapses BUT, women, people
of colour, religious people any alleged minority of any flavour are doing better here every day
In fact, the 'Homogeneity and heterogeneity' in the US has moved all forms of equality
farther forward in a little over 200 years than most of the planet has in thousands.taken more
more and bigger strides for all humanity than any other place I know. remember, JMHO
There is a racial hierarchy with gay and bisexual guys and at the bottom of it are Asians and blacks. Some Latinos far a little better but only if they are "more European" in appearance.
I've come to the conclusion over the last 5 years that the majority of white gay and bisexual guys especially here in North America (to a certain extent Australia but that another convo), just doesn't get it. Most either reveled in their privilege or oblivious to the realities of being a non-white and gay/bisexual.
My advice to non-whites that are non-racial specific about dating is this, if you want to be with a white guy you are better off looking for those that aren't originally from the US or most of Canada for that matter. In other words, look for a European that is equally yoked as yourself intellectually and culturally. You might find a few here domestically in the US that are open to actual interracial dating (not fetishization), but they are few and far between for you. Oh yeah, they are most likely in places like Toronto, Washington DC, New York, the San Francisco Bay Area (not San Francisco "the city" proper rather the region as a whole), New Orleans, or Miami. I would say here in Atlanta, but lord knows that would be more a lie than the truth as racially segregated the LGBTs are here...
Personally, I'm non-specific about race, but find myself with time wanting more to settle down with another black American male. I don't have time for all that aforementioned shenanigans and racial politicking mentioned above. In addition, I'm dating somebody (he is black) that makes me happy, thus have no reason to be looking at the moment.
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I mean, would we think it racist if on Manhunt Japan (for example) the Japanese gay guys were top of the pile? Or Brazilian guys in Brazil? Has this research been done on a site which has a majority non-white clientele? I think perhaps the data might be skewed, frankly.
For instance, I notice a lot of BlkTop, BlackDude, BlkInches, 9InchBlk, ThickBlack, BiBlk… black this black that… to which my reaction has always been you don't say…. It's obvious that many black people draw attention to or promote their blackness as part of their strategy for finding a hook-up or a boyfriend. Same thing with the number of AZNbtms or azn this azn that… There is a large portion of ethnic minority posters, particularly in the two "objectified" groups, who emphasize their ethnicity in a way that white guys generally do not.
Possibly because that's what works? Here's my theory: assume most people are just looking for a partner. A small group of white men are intrigued by a stereotype of being dominated by a black man or being in charge of an asian man - historical baggage, who knows, but it's there. But a "small group" of white men means there are more than enough white guys looking for this compared to the much smaller black or asian population in north america. It may be only one in ten white guys looking for that kind of relationship, but it's enough for every black guy to have his inbox filled with desperate "fuck me with your big black rod" emails, and every asian guy to have to wade through "I'm going to pin down your sweet asian ass etc…."
Enough to be an obvious trend to asian and black singles. Enough to be eye-rollingly obvious. And, the fun thing is, if you're asian or black, and just looking for a quick hook-up, then it's a really easy angle to work if you're horny and looking for a date on Saturday evening. So people work it, because they're just looking for what works too.
It reinforces what goes into the profiles of asian and black posters, they know there is at least one reliable audience, which amplifies the interest from fetishists, and alienates the white guys just looking for a boyfriend. The actual fetish fantasy probably wouldn't come across as that icky if it was just two white guys who enjoyed some kind of dominant submissive fantasy. But after a while, it ceases to be fun for the minority population who really just started out looking for the same things everyone else did on that site. Seems like a pretty fucked up racial dynamic, so they call it. And then the 9 out of 10 white guys who don't have that kind of fetish interest all say "WTF are you talking about? That's not how white people are. That's not what I'm looking for…you're imagining things! You. Are. Over. Sensitive."
And then it's 8 pages of popcorn about white privilege and "it's not racist" and bla bla bla.
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On the plus side it would make us nasty white bastards not the only racists out there. And then, as if by magic, these sort of threads would vanish, along with cut/uncut and all-bi-guys-are-evil-because-I-said so. /hopespringseternal
Personally, I'm tired of being the bad guy just because nobody has bothered to think beyond their own situation for more than 2 seconds before launching these sweeping statements.
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Pointing out that there are other very racist cultures, especially if we have to primarily look for extremely homogenous cultures in order to make the comparison, isn't a vindication of racial prejudice in the U.S.
Your home country is also a good example to ask and mention in this very problem considering whites are minorities in South Africa...
speaking of racism.
this has me busting out laughing.
look out for the newest wave that's about to sweep the world.
I'm also not sure how good a microcosm JUB (or any other online community) is in terms of worldwide queerdom, frankly - the lack of consensus on most topics which pop up in here speaks volumes as to how diverse (fractured, even) our opinions are, and assuming that the primarily American online presence on these dating and "lifestyle" sites is an accurate representation of the world at large is ill-advised at best.
Personally, I still wonder about the stats. People tend to be attracted to people like them - if not the bulk of us would be multiracial and/or in interracial relationships; I'm sure these numbers are on the rise, but I'm not sure they'll ever be the majority. I'm also fairly sure this attraction is genetic. Still, if the bulk of the members on these dating sites are of a particular ilk, surely this will result in the most hits for that ilk. If the proportions of each race which go online differ hugely from real-world figures of gay people, I believe that is where the problem lies.
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In my experience that is not intuitive at all. I have seen diversity in three stages in Canada. Going from an all-white country to tiny minorities that integrate happily and deliberately because they came here to get away and there's no one else to hang out with. Followed by a greater inbound wave of minority cultures, which integrates less fully. Newcomers have more in common with each other, and there are enough to stay together. Followed by the dissolving of those groups into a more pluralistic community where people live, work, and socialise together -and date each other- and it really takes everone's effort to make a society happen. Understanding what people are getting into remains important. But similarity or matching is not a criteria.
I know this is an assumption but I wonder if your perspective is actually an artefact of the society you're in and perhaps more time in a more integrated and diverse shared society would change your observations not so much about society but about the nature of attraction itself.
Humans as Homo sapiens have been around for a couple million years by now; the different races from differing locales have been interacting for the last several thousand of them. Yet the bulk of us are not interracial, even though there is a single unbroken line from Lisbon to very near the Bering Strait and down south to Singapore. Up until the Suez was built, we could include Cape Point in that, and as a result I'd expect the whole of Eurasia to be significantly more homogeneous than it is. Speaks volumes, in my opinion.
I'll concede that it is probably an oversimplified view, not exactly taking things like geography and historical ease of travel into account. So I'd be interested to see it in a thousand years' time.
This is gonna be an unpopular opinion for sure, but I'm predominantly attracted to white and Latino guys. Rarely to Asians, barely ever to black or Indian guys. I don't have any racist upbringing, nor do I suffer from the delusion that I'm superior in any way. I've had sexual experiences with most races, and I've enjoyed them. I did however grow up in a 99% white Eastern European country, where there simply weren't people of color. I didn't see them growing up, except for movies. Didn't go to school with them or have them as friends. Even since coming here to the US, Asians are the only seriously represented minority in the field I'm in. I can't help but think that this has played a major part in my sexual preferences.
That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe
We don't come out of the womb with a sexual attraction to anyone. It's shaped over a lifetime of influences of both what we see and what we are told is beautiful, and what isn't. In any society where you mostly see one race and that race is also the one completely predominating in movies, ads, underwear modelling, magazines and everything else... it's going to be the exception, not the rule, that someone will up and say "but I find every single other group I've barely ever seen just as attractive."
sad enough, the history has been changed over time to the point where it's been gone and forgotten. that's something that you won't hear about on black history month which is why it's important to always keep an ear open to be informed. fuck waiting each feburary to know something that you can know any day of the year.
but as far as racism goes in terms of dating, that's a complex thing but i do think that what you're attracted to has somewhat influenced by what you learn is deemed attractive in society. the television and media outlets are proof. eurocentrism is promoted daily. you look in the magazines and look @ the calvin klein ads, the underwear ads, men's health and you see nothing but white people as the models and eurocentrism being promote. shampoo commercials are another huge example. they talk about how "healthy" and "good" hair is supposed to be straight and that hair that is nappy is "bad" where they'll even go far as demonstrate a woman with nappy hair having problems combing her hair. with everything in society basically being themed around white supremacy ideology which puts white people on a damn pedestal all the time, of course, it's going to have an effect where people are going to hold white people on a higher standard than everybody else. you'll have white people feeling themselves thinking that they're the shit or better than black people, asian people, people of latino descent and the whole nine. can you blame them though when society beats it into people's heads? even looking @ this thread, you have some white posters basically discrediting nonwhite posters experiences with racism not realizing that when they do that, they're basically doing something racist in itself. they're basically thinking that because they're white, they're right or their opinion about things holds more value than the nonwhite person. that in itself is laughable. just because they can't relate to racism from a nonwhite person's perspective doesn't mean that it doesn't exists. that in itself is a racist thought. all forms of prejudiced such as sexism, racism, homophobia and etc is learned. the only way to counterattack them is by being educated.
Last edited by refujiunderground; February 18th, 2013 at 03:45 PM.
i would just like to know where the hell i said anything even coming close to that.
i may find your posts irritating, but ultimately they just reveal what kind of person you are, so thats fine and dandy.
however, if you start putting words in my mouth... thats just low. really, really low. seriously, what the fuck.
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