Hillary and Barack - A Love Story

[tigerfan482]

who knew ?? really

that these 2 would find each other

Who knew that chance would not only find this pearl of intellectual delight from the WSJ, but would then comment on it in broken, haiku-style, incomplete sentences?

I love the idea of Hilary and Barack tag teaming those conservatives back into their corners where they can sit and say no for four more years. In fact, I would love for the two of them to have a love child so in 35 years, just when the Republicans (assuming they're around for that long) think they're out from under the successes of the Clinton and Obama years, they can be reminded again of their failures and ultimate downfall when the Obama-Clinton superchild wins the Presidency and vows to do even more than his father did from 2008-2016 and his mother did from 2016-2032 while standing hand-in-hand with his inter-racial, enlisted, atheist husband that he can thank mom and dad for.

Wouldn't that be great?

By the way, I really support Obama's pledge to remove troops from Afghanistan by 2014 and Hilary's superb handling of the Benghazi situation. I think those two make an absolute great team, as shown in the interview mentioned in the original post.

[rareboy]

Bandwagon

There.

Does that adequately get the point across?

The new mantra.

Bandwagon. Bannedwagon. Whatever.

[Jack Springer]

Which is why I said I'm forced to wonder if you can remember any particular achievements by any Secretaries of States.

But can you name one major accomplishment of Hillary Clinton as SOS?


.... or even a small one?

[xbuzzerx]

But can you name one major accomplishment of Hillary Clinton as SOS?


.... or even a small one?

That's actually beside the point since I wasn't the one making a claim about her job. Chance was. I freely admit I pay relatively little attention to any Cabinet members most of the time. I suspect the same is true of Chance since he dodged the question twice.

[JustMe5]

But can you name one major accomplishment of Hillary Clinton as SOS?


.... or even a small one?

What I'd like to know is, is this desperate has-been STILL trying to become president? The voters chose a community organizer with zero executive experience over her. And after all that, is she really gonna give it one last shot at 69 years old? And will the people who claimed that McCain was "too old" say the same about her?

[Just_Believe18]

^Has been? Hillary Clinton just left her post of Secretary of State with the highest approval ratings she has ever had. She is considered a serious contender to run for president in 2016. If you're going to make assumptions, at least back them up with facts and information.

A president is often chosen without a past as a governor in reference to "executive experience." I'm not sure why you are also mentioning community organizer as if it is somehow a bad euphemism.

[Rolyo85]

Not to mention that Hilary has about twice the support and approval now, compared to what she had while running against Obama.

[Jack Springer]

That's actually beside the point since I wasn't the one making a claim about her job. Chance was. I freely admit I pay relatively little attention to any Cabinet members most of the time. I suspect the same is true of Chance since he dodged the question twice.

Thanks .. there are no accomplishments other than racking up a huge carbon footprint.

[xbuzzerx]

Thanks .. there are no accomplishments other than racking up a huge carbon footprint.

Jack I seriously laughed at my computer. Republicans even pretend to care about carbon footprint, as long as they can attach it to a Democrat's coming and goings?

[chance1]

Not to mention that Hilary has about twice the support and approval now, compared to what she had while running against Obama.

Ironic that "approval" is a measuring stick you embrace

Gay marriage etc. until recently was not a high approval concept

More bandwagon mentality

4 years is a lifetime

As for the shotgun wedding of the pair

It's the ultimate in politics

As for Hills and her "greatness" as SOS ......

It's not based in reality rather only in PR

Much like the love affair

[xbuzzerx]

Ironic that "approval" is a measuring stick you embrace

Gay marriage etc. until recently was not a high approval concept

Chance tsk tsk.

Implying that if a Republican or Republican Presidential candidate potential for 2016 had huge approval ratings you wouldn't be talking about it.

A little integrity please.

[Just_Believe18]

Ironic that "approval" is a measuring stick you embrace

I seem to remember a certain OP making a big deal about the approval ratings of Chris Christie and comparing them to Obama's.

[loki81]

I love Hillary, but talking about her approval numbers right now seems a little meaningless... the Secretary of State position is a mostly apolitical one.

if and when she gets back on the campaign trail to start talking specific policy, I would imagine that her national numbers will fall back down to earth like any other politician.

[JustMe5]

A president is often chosen without a past as a governor in reference to "executive experience." I'm not sure why you are also mentioning community organizer as if it is somehow a bad euphemism.

Even the has-been herself said Obama wasn't qualified for the presidency. Funny, some of the most vocal Hollywood celebs gave up their support for Hillary when she didn't run for president in 2004. Susan Sarandon stopped sending Hillary checks and even wrote her a letter saying "Don't count on our help." One has to wonder, just who will Susan and all the other celebs who dropped Hillary give their support to in 2016?

[JustMe5]

Not to mention that Hilary has about twice the support and approval now, compared to what she had while running against Obama.

According to who?

[Rolyo85]

Ironic that "approval" is a measuring stick you embrace

Gay marriage etc. until recently was not a high approval concept

More bandwagon mentality

4 years is a lifetime

As for the shotgun wedding of the pair

It's the ultimate in politics

As for Hills and her "greatness" as SOS ......

It's not based in reality rather only in PR

Much like the love affair

When we're talking about chances of winning an election, approval rating is... sorta the most important thing really...

[Rolyo85]

I love Hillary, but talking about her approval numbers right now seems a little meaningless... the Secretary of State position is a mostly apolitical one.

if and when she gets back on the campaign trail to start talking specific policy, I would imagine that her national numbers will fall back down to earth like any other politician.

Actually, having been in an apolitical position makes you better liked, which helps once you campaign for a political one. And she's arguably the most loved democrat currently.

[GiancarloC]

The right wingers would just scream if Hillary was President and I'm glad they would. They go to any lengths to discredit Hillary and they fail miserably every time. They tried to attack her on Benghazi and they keep failing miserably. And by the way, Hillary clinton does have approval ratings and if she does run for office these DO MATTER.

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Even the has-been herself said Obama wasn't qualified for the presidency. Funny, some of the most vocal Hollywood celebs gave up their support for Hillary when she didn't run for president in 2004. Susan Sarandon stopped sending Hillary checks and even wrote her a letter saying "Don't count on our help." One has to wonder, just who will Susan and all the other celebs who dropped Hillary give their support to in 2016?

I love it when people pull things of context for their obvious political agenda.

[xbuzzerx]

When she was still a candidate for the Presidency before 2008, didn't someone on the right say she was further to the left than Mao or something equally lol?

[rareboy]

So is the whole thing about the Republican supporters being spooked because they might have the Clinton/Obama engine barrelling down on them in 2016?

Or is there some actual point to the vituperative and flaccid, impotent rage about this?

[maxpowr9]

I've always been a Hilldog fan. Still, I have to roll my eyes at anyone who uses approvals rating as a metric for how well a politician is doing. Just like people who use the stock market, especially the Dow as the main indicator for economic wellness.

I would vote for her in a heartbeat if she ran in 2016.

[MisterMajestic]

Hillary and Barry did what was best for both of them. Guess you could call that good politics.

Sorry crazy Uncle Joe.

That joint 60-Minutes interview actually had a headline that no one picked up on...Remember when Obama said he called Hillary over and over trying to get her to take the SOS job....Well Joe Biden told Oprah years ago that Obama offered him a choice between the SOS job or VP...Jill was there and she had that "Oh my goodness" look on her face...

...LOL...Did DaBiden lie to the Mighty O?

[chance1]

So is the whole thing about the Republican supporters being spooked because they might have the Clinton/Obama engine barrelling down on them in 2016?

Or is there some actual point to the vituperative and flaccid, impotent rage about this?

LOL

vituperative and flaccid

not in the same class as "i called it" but top 10

as for "the whole thing about"

that would be a news organization, once preeminent in their status, objectivity and search for truth

doing a lay down for the chosen one and hills

that's what it's about

[xbuzzerx]

LOL

vituperative and flaccid

not in the same class as "i called it" but top 10

as for "the whole thing about"

that would be a news organization, once preeminent in their status, objectivity and search for truth

doing a lay down for the chosen one and hills

that's what it's about

All we did was point out that you were fine with drawing conclusion from approval ratings when you were giving kudos to a Republican, but now you say they're meaningless.

Which is it?

[chance1]

All we did was point out that you were fine with drawing conclusion from approval ratings when you were giving kudos to a Republican, but now you say they're meaningless.

Which is it?

consistently confused

i applaud approval ratings - they have merit - more so in some cases than others

chris christie as a sitting governor of a state - making decisions - getting judged on his performance - is legit

other approval ratings are more perhaps fleeting - i have no idea whether HC's will last or not - depends on many things yet to happen to her, her opponents, the country

but there's no question - she's popular - there is question whether she was a good much less a great SOS

i was responding (read the posts) to a single poster who blows like the wind - changing his POV as often as I pee during the day

that's what that was about

many here respond to posts w/o reading the posts they're responding too

as in way too fast

this is another in a long line of examples

[Rolyo85]

that would be a news organization, once preeminent in their status, objectivity and search for truth

doing a lay down for the chosen one and hills

that's what it's about

Have you considered the scary possibility that they ARE that awesome and you're just clueless? O.o

Also, I rarely change my POV, and never without significant reason. You can look for hours to try and find examples of me flip-flopping, and you will crash and burn at that. Wanna take the challenge, or are you too lazy?

[chance1]

Have you considered the scary possibility that they ARE that awesome and you're just clueless? O.o

Also, I rarely change my POV, and never without significant reason. You can look for hours to try and find examples of me flip-flopping, and you will crash and burn at that. Wanna take the challenge, or are you too lazy?

it's not a news organization's job to fawn and promote politicians - not in america

at a 50% ish approval rating, BO could not reasonably be considered "awesome" - he is polarizing

still waiting for your hundreds of thousands of lives saved in africa by hillary let me know

now that's lazy

[xbuzzerx]

it's not a news organization's job to fawn and promote politicians - not in america

at a 50% ish approval rating, BO could not reasonably be considered "awesome" - he is polarizing

still waiting for your hundreds of thousands of lives saved in africa by hillary let me know

now that's lazy

He's only 'polarizing' by default because a portion of the country utterly can't stand that a black progressive is President. Not because he is in any way overtly or intentionally polarizing or divisive.

If you want examples of that see the attempt to make an amendment to the Constitution to ban gay marriage-- as one example out of many.

[GiancarloC]

50ish? So fucking what? Some here love twisting things around and still can't accept that Obama won. And Obama has a margin of double digits in his approval ratings. It's good to look at the whole picture when it comes to statistics!

He's not polarizing anyone. His approval ratings have remained steady in the mid 50s to lower 60s. That's something republicans can only dream about. Some here rely on total bullshit rhetoric based on partisanship. Some in this country won't ever accept OBama because they are totally incapable of accepting him.

I don't want to hear this "he's polarizing" nonsense. How so? Some never ACCEPTED him as a leader and never wanted him... they wanted to make him a one term President from day one. It isn't the PRESIDENT that's being polarizing, but rather the right wing fanatics and sycophants in this country that are.

Lazy? Want to know what's lazy? Peddling the same right wing bullcrap on a forum thinking that something was accomplished in the end.

Oh and the Congress, and in particular the House of Representatives has an approval rating pushing barely 10%. About the same number of Americans approve of Fidel Castro. Good fucking job REPUBLICANS!

[chance1]

50ish? So fucking what? Some here love twisting things around and still can't accept that Obama won. And Obama has a margin of double digits in his approval ratings. It's good to look at the whole picture when it comes to statistics!

He's not polarizing anyone. His approval ratings have remained steady in the mid 50s to lower 60s. That's something republicans can only dream about. Some here rely on total bullshit rhetoric based on partisanship. Some in this country won't ever accept OBama because they are totally incapable of accepting him.

I don't want to hear this "he's polarizing" nonsense. How so? Some never ACCEPTED him as a leader and never wanted him... they wanted to make him a one term President from day one. It isn't the PRESIDENT that's being polarizing, but rather the right wing fanatics and sycophants in this country that are.

Lazy? Want to know what's lazy? Peddling the same right wing bullcrap on a forum thinking that something was accomplished in the end.

Oh and the Congress, and in particular the House of Representatives has an approval rating pushing barely 10%. About the same number of Americans approve of Fidel Castro. Good fucking job REPUBLICANS!

see post 75 - the 8th sentence - it has your name on it

we know u love obama - and he can do no wrong

that's not the basis for a discussion ok ?

and your "they" is a lot of people - like almost 50% - so he's got 1/2 on his side and 1/2 not so much - that's the simple math which u need to accept not deny

[GiancarloC]

Post 75 lacks serious substance. And I never said Obama can do no wrong. I wish he accomplished more... he comes off as too compromising. Hopefully in the second term he's more confrontational. And what basis for discussion? This entire thread lacks substance... good luck with the 9% approval ratings...

and your "they" is a lot of people - like almost 50% - so he's got 1/2 on his side and 1/2 not so much - that's the simple math which u need to accept not deny

Whatever. More substanceless rantings. For one... 1/2 not so much? Read the polls... his disapproval ratings are in the lower 40s. What simple math? The math republicans make up so they can make themselves feel better? ENJOY the 9% APPROVAL RATING!

[Rolyo85]

And just because it's really bothering me when someone who's done so much for us gets slammed by ungrateful nobodies, just because she happens to be on the opposite political side, I dug up this lovely speech:

http://www.bilerico.com/2011/12/hill..._to_the_un.php

It is a huge part of the reason why Kill the Gays is not yet the law of the land in Uganda, as well as other places in Africa. When you know the UN will deny you help you desperately need, you try to keep your viciousness on a tighter leash, which saves lives. The irrelevance of making fun of the phrase "hundreds of thousands" couldn't be more obvious, but I'll just point out that Africa is a big place, and there are a lot of gay people there, suffering lives that closeted New Yorkers can't even begin to fathom.

[evanrick]

I hate to say this but Hillary would have been more accepted by the establishment and would have been more effective in passing healthcare reform and possibly a single payer. Why? Because all the anti-Hillary stuff came before the election, people are more trusting of white people in general, and believe that women, in general, are less inclined to misuse their political position.

But that depends a lot on conservative reaction to Hillary, we know it took a great deal of effort to pass healthcare reform with republicans siding with the status quo. How would Hillary have approached the healthcare issue? Would she have done the same as Barack and left it to congress?

Republicans know Hillary can defend herself, I think thats why FOX gave her so much running space in 2008, and shes been through a half dozen presidential campaigns, shes tested.

Also if your talking about Obama and Hillary, you cannot forget to mention Pelosi, Reid and Emmanuel who practically were running the country from 2010-2012.