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    Benedict Resigns

    The German Shepherd is stepping aside. First time in over 600 years.

    Good for him.



    So shall we throw him a party?

    My fear is that the conclave will elect some ultra conservative African.

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    Good riddance. I did like what he said about unregulated capitalism, though, comparing it to criminal activity and terrorism.
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    In the Hot Topics forum, I pointed to the Prophecy of St Malachy that the next will be the last. I don't believe it of course, but it probably will get some attention in the media. Here is Wikipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    In the Hot Topics forum, I pointed to the Prophecy of St Malachy that the next will be the last. I don't believe it of course, but it probably will get some attention in the media. Here is Wikipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
    The last pope or the last prediction?

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    Welcome news. Benedict has done nothing for the Church's image. Worse still he has stacked the deck in favor of a conservative successor. Though, I can't imagine the pontificate will get any worse.

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    seems like such a strange move, with (relatively) short notice, given how slow things tend to move within the Church.

    wonder if he's really sick or if there's a behind-the-scenes scandal.

    although, resigning at 85 and citing age as his reason? some career politicians in Washington could take a lesson from that.

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    At the risk of repeating myself:


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    Meh, whatever. He can rot and be forgotten for all I care.
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    The last pope or the last prediction?
    Last Pope, then the end of the world.

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    I'm glad to see him go. Benedict was a bad egg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I'm glad to see him go. Benedict was a bad egg.
    They're all bad eggs.

    The popes can't see two feet in front of them. All their abuse will be the eventual end of the Catholic Church, or at least its dominance in Christendom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    They're all bad eggs.

    The popes can't see two feet in front of them. All their abuse will be the eventual end of the Catholic Church, or at least its dominance in Christendom.
    Heres hoping

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganymede4 View Post
    Heres hoping
    It's already happening. The Church is especially losing Hispanics quickly to Protestantism and irreligion. If the Church opposes immigration reform because of gay rights, then the Church will lose its influence even faster in the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    They're all bad eggs.

    The popes can't see two feet in front of them. All their abuse will be the eventual end of the Catholic Church, or at least its dominance in Christendom.
    Well, now he can retire, buy a motor home and drive around on extended hollandaise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I'm glad to see him go. Benedict was a bad egg.
    LOL, good one. Rather more like a rotten egg

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    I wonder why he finally cracked.

    His message says "physical and mental" decline. Maybe dementia? And he doesn't trust the other cardinals to be his puppet masters in his dotage as he was with John Paul ii. My guy figures someone found the video tape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I wonder why he finally cracked.

    His message says "physical and mental" decline. Maybe dementia? And he doesn't trust the other cardinals to be his puppet masters in his dotage as he was with John Paul ii. My guy figures someone found the video tape.
    Given that this is the wisest thing he has done during his reign, perhaps he is not demented after all. At 85, it must be a pain in the ass to even get out of bed, nevermind the hassle of being the most recognized voice of God on earth.

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    Did he just cite age as the only reason? I have to wonder how they've managed either profoundly advanced age or poor health in former popes, given how rare this kind of a retirement is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Did he just cite age as the only reason? I have to wonder how they've managed either profoundly advanced age or poor health in former popes, given how rare this kind of a retirement is.
    he cited age and "failing strength of mind and body". he was pretty old when elected Pope to begin with. he was the 5th oldest Pope at election (78, with numbers 1-4 also being 78-79) and I think he's currently the 4th oldest Pope ever.

    my own guess is that he's probably suffering from either a terminal illness or dementia/Alzheimer's and they wanted an orderly transition while he's still capable of resigning, but they'll probably keep is as quiet as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    My fear is that the conclave will elect some ultra conservative African.
    Even more conservative? Not that it would surprise me ...

    Let the conspiracy theories begin. Especially in connection with the recent leaks, there have been many rumors already that he has many enemies in the vatican.

    But in reality, it's all just chancellor Merkel's liability. No really, she said that she placed her "vollstes Vertrauen" (full trust) in him. 73% of the people about whom she said that, resigned within an average of 33 days. I am not kidding - this statistic is real.
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    actually did some research, and discovered that there's no provision that allows a Pope to be removed from office other than death or a willing resignation... so it would totally make sense if he starting to suffer from dementia or was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and wanted to resign while he's still mentally capable of doing so.

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    I prefer my rumors swirling. You need to do better Corny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    actually did some research, and discovered that there's no provision that allows a Pope to be removed from office other than death or a willing resignation... so it would totally make sense if he starting to suffer from dementia or was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and wanted to resign while he's still mentally capable of doing so.
    I agree it makes sense, I'm just surprised that this sort of resignation has been so completely rare, what happens in the case of infirm mind setting in before a Pope resigns, do people "act in his stead" or?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    actually did some research, and discovered that there's no provision that allows a Pope to be removed from office other than death or a willing resignation... so it would totally make sense if he starting to suffer from dementia or was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and wanted to resign while he's still mentally capable of doing so.
    It doesn't really matter like many totalitarians, he is only a figure head and it is the college of cardinals that pull all the strings. He must have pissed off a bunch of the cardinals to have been forced to resign, you could say "age" as a reason but heck, this not a position that you resign from. You die on the throne like a king/queen.

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    Only in recent years have Bishops and Cardinals been required to resign their offices for age. Under Pope John Paul II, I think. The easiest answer is that the Pope has decided that he should do what he requires his subordinates to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I agree it makes sense, I'm just surprised that this sort of resignation has been so completely rare, what happens in the case of infirm mind setting in before a Pope resigns, do people "act in his stead" or?
    there's nothing official in place to remove a Pope from power other than death/resignation... going back over a thousand+ years of Church history, there had to have been some batshit crazy Popes. I'd guess some of them probably experienced mysterious deaths.

    but in the modern era, with our medical tests, it would make total sense if he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's or a brain tumor and wanted to step aside before his condition worsens, lest he create a crisis for the church.

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    Re: Benedict Resigns

    There are many controversies about this pontificate. There are many hidden scandals.

    Italian Catholics do not really like this pope; Some yes, others no. Many people are far from the Pope, the church. It 'a conservative pope.

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    When will they address the issue of abuse by priest?

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    According to NBC's (intelligent hunk) Richard Engel, he's retiring to a convent run by cloistered nuns. In the Vatican. Probably right next door to retired Cardinal Law of Boston. No chance of anyone being called to account, since I doubt anyone would ever be extradited for obstruction of justice , which is what they've all done. Retired Cardinal Mahoney of LA will no doubt be leaving for Rome toot sweet!

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    Where do I apply for his job? Nice house, robes and cool car.

    Do I have to be Catholic to be pope? Suppose it would help.

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    Don't forget different shoes every day... and an awesome hat.

    I am a former Catholic. I couldn't be part of that corrupt organization... and I'm weak atheist (more of an agnostic) nowadays. The Church has been on a decline for a long time and need to stop meddling in the domestic affairs of certain countries. If a country wants to legalize same sex marriage it's up to that country... and not the Catholic church.
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    So since the last Pope retired 600 years ago, how old is this one? 680?

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    He is going to a monastery in a forest..... I suppose the joke Does a Pope shit in the woods will have lost some of its bite.....

    knuck knuck

    anyways....

    You have to be a grand poo bah of many secret and magical underwear parties before you may be considered for Pope? Or is that the Mormons.... I cannot keep these damn cults straight... anyone got a guide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    He is going to a monastery in a forest..... I suppose the joke Does a Pope shit in the woods will have lost some of its bite.....

    knuck knuck

    anyways....

    You have to be a grand poo bah of many secret and magical underwear parties before you may be considered for Pope? Or is that the Mormons.... I cannot keep these damn cults straight... anyone got a guide?
    Weird clothes are a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    The German Shepherd is stepping aside. First time in over 600 years.
    After 600 years, it's time he quit. He looks every minute of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    going back over a thousand+ years of Church history, there had to have been some batshit crazy Popes. I'd guess some of them probably experienced mysterious deaths.
    What's his name four popes ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    You have to be a grand poo bah of many secret and magical underwear parties before you may be considered for Pope? Or is that the Mormons.... I cannot keep these damn cults straight... anyone got a guide?
    technically, any Catholic male who's received confirmation can become Pope... the youngest Pope in history was 11 (funnily enough, another Pope Benedict, Benedict IX... he was appointed to the papacy through family connections (he was the nephew of the Pope)... he ended his tenure by selling the papacy to his godfather )

    in practice, a non-Cardinal hasn't been elected to the papacy in over 700 years.

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    I couldn't believe before I went to bed last night the explosion on my Associated Press map the number of Pope stories that popped up with his announcement. Does the Catholic Church still hold this much sway in the American news media where 5-6 of the top stories are about the Pope's resignation, the Pope's legacy, the Pope's life, what people think of the Pope, and future Popes? I mean, it was ridiculous.
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    It sells ad clicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    technically, any Catholic male who's received confirmation can become Pope... the youngest Pope in history was 11 (funnily enough, another Pope Benedict, Benedict IX... he was appointed to the papacy through family connections (he was the nephew of the Pope)... he ended his tenure by selling the papacy to his godfather )

    in practice, a non-Cardinal hasn't been elected to the papacy in over 700 years.
    yeah but if they elected a boy what would they do to him in office.... O_o

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    The German Shepherd is stepping aside. First time in over 600 years.

    Good for him.



    So shall we throw him a party?

    My fear is that the conclave will elect some ultra conservative African.
    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    Good riddance. I did like what he said about unregulated capitalism, though, comparing it to criminal activity and terrorism.
    I'm rooting for the Ghanan Peter Kodwo Appiah Cardinal Turkson. He's a big one behind the current pope's economic positions -- he's written some good stuff on capitalism and international regulation and accountability of financial institutions. He's considered moderate to progressive yet is well-respected among the College of Cardinals. He's got a good shot at it, too, since the College is well aware that the rabid 'conservatism' of Ratzinger has turned many youth from the Roman Church. If the pattern holds, they'll go for a conciliator this time. The pattern of appointments setting him in various agencies in Rome suggests he was being groomed as a possibility, which helps make me hopeful.

    There's a strong chance the selection won't be a European, for a number of reasons. There aren't really any good choices from Latin America, so that contingent will swing into place behind any non-European candidate. The question is who the Africans will prefer, since there aren't any real Asian choices either. The Italian block knows they're not going to get a shot at this, and they're not too fond of other European options, so it's likely that the backroom dealings will focus on which African candidate is going to offend the fewest.

    Turkson's worst black mark is what I see as a wishy-washy stand on homosexuality, where he tries to make everyone happy and succeeds in sounding like a wimp.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    There is that one Brazilian cardinal I believe that is a candidate for it...

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    It's already happening. The Church is especially losing Hispanics quickly to Protestantism and irreligion. If the Church opposes immigration reform because of gay rights, then the Church will lose its influence even faster in the United States.
    hmmm

    wishful thinking ?

    your catholic hating is pathetic btw

    but the "bandwagon" approach here allows it to go

    http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/190770991.html

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    What bandwagon? Having been part of the Catholic Church in the past, I can express that they are losing members because of their policies. And they are indeed losing membership in Latin America. It's not a falsehood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    At the risk of repeating myself:

    Ahh, but it is worth repeating. Ratzinger is a profoundly unpleasant man.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    I can already see that sharing the fallacy poster was a mistake, lmao.

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    The growth of the Hispanic population will actually be a boon for the Catholic Church

    when they don't deserve it

    it's their HOPE for the future - not the "problem"

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    Um what? Many Hispanics are leaving the Catholic Church... in droves really. Many are becoming non-religious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    hmmm

    wishful thinking ?

    your catholic hating is pathetic btw
    These are facts I speak of, and the Church has earned this criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    I couldn't believe before I went to bed last night the explosion on my Associated Press map the number of Pope stories that popped up with his announcement. Does the Catholic Church still hold this much sway in the American news media where 5-6 of the top stories are about the Pope's resignation, the Pope's legacy, the Pope's life, what people think of the Pope, and future Popes? I mean, it was ridiculous.
    Like it or not, it is the largest and oldest organization in the world, and the largest in the US. The only thing close is China which is not an organization in the same sense of the word.
    And, in some respects, the Pope is the most powerful man in the world. His prohibition of birth control does more damage than any law or institutional rule I can think of. He is the reason millions come into the US to escape the failures of their countries.
    Conversely, he could, with a pen stroke do great things to help the environment, if he were inclined.
    But of course part of it is just the need of the media for a big story at any given time. I am sure they will give as much attention to the death of Queen Elizabeth, with far less reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    hmmm

    wishful thinking ?

    your catholic hating is pathetic btw

    but the "bandwagon" approach here allows it to go

    http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/190770991.html
    Who says it is Catholic hating?

    Once again...someone doesn't agree with your binary view of the world and suddenly they are pathetic.

    And you're back one day and already railing about the 'bandwagon'.

    I can't think this is good for your health. Lighten up a little and let us enjoy having you around a little longer this time.

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