How women are turning men to gay sex

[Medusa]

Conservapedia. Really???

Another right wing Christianist site with an incredibly strong bias against homosexuality....citing the same few historical sources and then extending the instances as indicative of the moral rot that brought Rome to its knees? The article cites Paul, Juvenal, Martial, Chrysostom and a dubious claim by Sussman. Certainly Paul and Chrysostom had a clear bias against homosexuality and Paul particularly has been the worst thing that ever happened to homos in the last 2000 years since his word, and not that of Christ Himself has formed the opinions of the fundamentalists.

Juvenal is a satirist and the weight of his observations come from a single piece of work http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/o...v-sat2lat.html. Read it and tell me how it supports your claims.

As far as Martial goes, his attitudes are personal and biased as well; the poet had lovers of both sexes; the following are the epigrams that form our knowledge of his views.

http://www.well.com/~aquarius/martial.htm

But really. Conservapedia is a site created by bible banging fundies use to support their fight against the 'Homosexual Agenda' in the US.

You can be probably surer that what I say is true because it is nakedly evident that I may have studied and learned more than you have, based on your inability to express an idea. You can be sure by proving me wrong. But you'll have to do it better than Conservapedia.

The fact that you chose Conservapedia and another fundamentalist site tells us a great deal about your mind-set. It would have taken absolutely no work at all to use the very general, but far more expansive Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...n_ancient_Rome

It provides a much greater list of sources. And puts paid to your ridiculous assertion that all Roman men hated their women.

As I said...if you want to play with the homos, you're going to have to step up your game.

I am not going to listen you, and your bullshit. I know what I know. Roman men hated women, and valued men more, but of course you think I am wrong.And I ain't going to listen to wiki of all places,.And I said nothing about playing with you homos,especially you of all people. Please if you will not take what I said as creditable sources, and think that you are right, then please by all means, take a damn hike. I gave you sources you called them bullshit, and try to downplay me like I am a dumbass. We have nothing to say to each other at this point.

[derelictdarrel]

why this thread has not been locked....

[justanothershyguy]

I am not going to listen you, and your bullshit. I know what I know. Roman men hated women, and valued men more, but of course you think I am wrong.And I ain't going to listen to wiki of all places,.And I said nothing about playing with you homos,especially you of all people. Please if you will not take what I said as creditable sources, and think that you are right, then please by all means, take a damn hike. I gave you sources you called them bullshit, and try to downplay me like I am a dumbass. We have nothing to say to each other at this point.

I can't even take this post seriously with all the grammar and spelling fuck-ups

[JWaggy]

This thread...

[MissAnne]

He's so hot

[Coward92]

anytime

[rareboy]

I am not going to listen you, and your bullshit. I know what I know. Roman men hated women, and valued men more, but of course you think I am wrong.And I ain't going to listen to wiki of all places,.And I said nothing about playing with you homos,especially you of all people. Please if you will not take what I said as creditable sources, and think that you are right, then please by all means, take a damn hike. I gave you sources you called them bullshit, and try to downplay me like I am a dumbass. We have nothing to say to each other at this point.

You know what you know.

And that apparently ain't much sister, when it comes to history, sociology, homosexuality, grammar, spelling and research methodology.

Again, you've overplayed your hand. You wouldn't use Wikipedia, but you have no problem using it's developmentally retarded child, Conservapedia? Really? It makes you appear like some bored Christian housewife who is acting out on a homo site because her husband left her to bang some guy.

You may have precious little to say to me my dear....but I am nowhere near finished with things to say to you if you keep posting the intellectually wobbly and often homophobic nonsense like you have been in thread after thread.

[xbuzzerx]

Dude, what the hell are you talking about?

I am serious. the men in Rome where predominatly gay, and they hated women, to the up-most degree. And if the whole population is converting to fucking men only, how come they still try to fuck women?Going by his logic, I was just asking a simple question,cause I don't know.Maybe you can answer this since you are gay

Where did you learn this? History class at Westboro Baptist online night school classes?

I am not going to listen you, and your bullshit. I know what I know. Roman men hated women, and valued men more, but of course you think I am wrong.And I ain't going to listen to wiki of all places,.And I said nothing about playing with you homos,especially you of all people. Please if you will not take what I said as creditable sources, and think that you are right, then please by all means, take a damn hike. I gave you sources you called them bullshit, and try to downplay me like I am a dumbass. We have nothing to say to each other at this point.

I am a dumbass
I am a dumbass

why this thread has not been locked....

Why is Medusa still here is a good question too.

[Huntneo(PT)]

Westboro Baptist online night school classes?

OKay...now you're just being plain mean.

[GiancarloC]

I know what i know... meaning that particular poster doesn't know anything about what they are talking about. Just another attempt to interject some useless rambling bullshit in a thread that wasn't all that serious to begin with. lol. And yea, Conservapedia is garbage... I almost think it's written as a form of mockery towards conservatives lol. And yes people will call someone a dumbass when they bring up dumbass sources.

Come on... if one is anti-gay like Medusa... why are they here?

I think Medusa ought to read Encyclopedia Dramatica... and perhaps write a autobiographical page on it.

[Medusa]

You know what you know.

And that apparently ain't much sister, when it comes to history, sociology, homosexuality, grammar, spelling and research methodology.

Again, you've overplayed your hand. You wouldn't use Wikipedia, but you have no problem using it's developmentally retarded child, Conservapedia? Really? It makes you appear like some bored Christian housewife who is acting out on a homo site because her husband left her to bang some guy.

You may have precious little to say to me my dear....but I am nowhere near finished with things to say to you if you keep posting the intellectually wobbly and often homophobic nonsense like you have been in thread after thread.

Believe me, I know more than you think I do. I cannot use your sources cause you pulled them out of your ass, and you cant use mine because you think I am a Christian, well I got news for you, asswipe.I am not, or will never be a Christian. I do not go to church, and I do not believe in their ideology. I just used their source outlet because they brought up pretty good points which you have failed to understand.If you want to play this stupid ass game of being complete redundant jackass, then that's on you. The Roman men hated women, there I said it. Get the fuck over it, you simple little butthurt bitch. Get your damn panties out your ass, and act like a man.

[Medusa]

OKay...now you're just being plain mean.

Hey, if they think I am one of those nut jobs, then let them have it. Actually some on them are pretty damn smart for being a bigot.

[GiancarloC]

News flash... conservapedia doesn't qualify as a valid source... so try again. The Romans never hated women. Please use an actual history book, and not ridiculous conjectures.

[xbuzzerx]

Hey, if they think I am one of those nut jobs, then let them have it. Actually some on them are pretty damn smart for being a bigot.

Medusa, nobody except for a nutjob gets information from as blatantly a biased source as conservapedia.

[Medusa]

Where did you learn this? History class at Westboro Baptist online night school classes?



I am a dumbass
I am a dumbass



Why is Medusa still here is a good question too.

I am here because I want to be. Is there anything else you need to know? And why you call yourself dumbass. I thought punk ass jerks like you were smarter than that?

[Medusa]

Medusa, nobody except for a nutjob gets information from as blatantly a biased source as conservapedia.

Well I did, what the fuck else is there to it? You are bias, just like them. So what's your fucking point? Please let it be known?

[GiancarloC]

I am here because I want to be. Is there anything else you need to know? And why you call yourself dumbass. I thought punk ass jerks like you were smarter than that?

[xbuzzerx]

Well I did, what the fuck else is there to it? You are bias, just like them. So what's your fucking point? Please let it be known?

Not hating gay people makes me "biased"? lmao.

[Medusa]

News flash... conservapedia doesn't qualify as a valid source... so try again. The Romans never hated women. Please use an actual history book, and not ridiculous conjectures.

Out of all the sites I listed you guys want to pick the one that you have a grudge against. Hmm typical. Here's something I gathered
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Most of the exposed were girls, but some were sickly or weak-looking males.(14) On an Oxyrhynchus Papri, a letter from a husband to a wife instructs her to let the infant live if it is a boy; [but] "if it is a girl, expose it."(15) It was as simple as that. This practise of exposure greatly reduced the female population, as did the neglect of girls. Augustus was so concerned with the decline in Roman population, particularly in the aristocracy, that he passed both the Julian Laws in 18 BC and the Papia-Poppaean Laws in 9 AD. These laws placed penalties on celibacy and not marrying, and rewarded marriage and having children. Neither set of laws really helped to greatly increase the population of Rome.(16)

http://www.moyak.com/papers/roman-women.html

[kayman23]

im not a big fan of the "women are like this, men are like that"-school of thought... but i do sometimes get the impression that women arent horny 100% of the time. i wonder what thats like.

Idk, I'm a male and I'm not horny most of the time at all. I would say like 10% of the time at the most...

[justanothershyguy]

Out of all the sites I listed you guys want to pick the one that you have a grudge against. Hmm typical. Here's something I gathered
#
Most of the exposed were girls, but some were sickly or weak-looking males.(14) On an Oxyrhynchus Papri, a letter from a husband to a wife instructs her to let the infant live if it is a boy; [but] "if it is a girl, expose it."(15) It was as simple as that. This practise of exposure greatly reduced the female population, as did the neglect of girls. Augustus was so concerned with the decline in Roman population, particularly in the aristocracy, that he passed both the Julian Laws in 18 BC and the Papia-Poppaean Laws in 9 AD. These laws placed penalties on celibacy and not marrying, and rewarded marriage and having children. Neither set of laws really helped to greatly increase the population of Rome.(16)

http://www.moyak.com/papers/roman-women.html

I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore, tbh. Oh, and from that same source:

Although the role of women in ancient Rome was primarily child-bearing, women also played an important role in raising the children.(17) This differed greatly from the Athenian tradition which placed both the cultural and educational aspects of raising boys exclusively in the hands of men. In the Roman world, women were encouraged to teach their children Roman culture.(18) When the boys grew up, the mother would spend both her money and time to advance their political careers.(19)Even the girls would receive this sort of home education because they would be expected to teach their own children one day.(20) In The Elements of Oratory, Quintilian reports that Cornelia, mother of Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus, played a major role in their education and cultivation.(21) Roman women had children, but they were not exclusively "tools of reproduction"(22) -- they "were also a fundamental instrument of the transmission of a culture ... [and] it was their job to prepare them to become cives romani ... "(23)

In the introduction of As the Romans Did, Jo-Ann Shelton discusses how the Romans "took the remarkable action of granting Roman citizenship to every free person within the borders of the Roman Empire."(24) It does not sound as if women were excluded. In Women and Politics in Ancient Rome, Richard A. Bauman says that "the public position of women was so unfavourable that it has even been doubted whether they were Roman citizens. The doubts are unfounded ..."(25) So it seems that they had a higher position than Athenian women, who were not considered citizens. They did have something in common: neither was allowed to vote or to participate in political activities. This applies primarily to the Republican Period, since the kings made the decisions during the Monarchy and the Emperor had the final say during the Roman Empire.

The problem with your argument is that you cannot prove that Roman men were inherently gay. In that time, WOMEN WERE NOT CONSIDERED CITIZENS.

Lawyered by your own damn source.

[Medusa]

I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore, tbh. Oh, and from that same source:




The problem with your argument is that you cannot prove that Roman men were inherently gay. In that time, WOMEN WERE NOT CONSIDERED CITIZENS.

Lawyered by your own damn source.

Hello what does the fuck does that say to you, honey? Read between the lines they did not consider as anything than baby making machines. Are you just fucking stupid? They did not care about women, even you said they were not consider citizens. Infant females were left in the cold alone, and hungry.If that does not scream hate, than I don't know what does.Anyways keep believing that Roman men loved their women, even if they were not allowed to write any scriptures, document their own history, and was consider a piece of item to lay around and get fucked while they were out fucking other men.

[GiancarloC]

Lol. It's a pity one can't even read their own source which completely contradicts what they are saying. Keep insulting people. We'll see how far that gets. At least Wanker90 was a bit more classy.

Infant females were left in the cold alone? Lulz... where does one get this bullshit from lol?

And if one hates gay men so much why the heck do they come to this forum? Tell me why!

[pat grimshaw]

...Infant females were left in the cold alone? Lulz... where does one get this bullshit from lol?...

I was taught that in Ancient History class.

And there are lots of current sources for current female infanticide
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=fe...ml%3B604%3B420

[GiancarloC]

I was taught that in Ancient History class.

And there are lots of current sources for current female infanticide
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=fe...ml%3B604%3B420

Lulz... google images. And dot com websites. Yeah, okay. Female infanticide has happened, but that doesn't prove anything about the Romans. Thanks for that bit of historical revisionism...

[Medusa]

I was taught that in Ancient History class.

And there are lots of current sources for current female infanticide
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=fe...ml%3B604%3B420

. Thanks I am so happy that someone finally knows what I am talking about

[Medusa]

Lulz... google images. And dot com websites. Yeah, okay. Female infanticide has happened, but that doesn't prove anything about the Romans. Thanks for that bit of historical revisionism...

It proved that Romans were fucked up.Just like any culture that leaves a newborn baby out in a field, and think it's okay

[GiancarloC]

It proved that Romans were fucked up.Just like any culture that leaves a newborn baby out in a field, and think it's okay

It proves absolutely nothing, zilch, zippo. Just another troll agreeing with another troll.

And what the fuck does that have to do with this thread, seriously?

And if someone hates gay men so much, GTFO NOW.

[rareboy]

Believe me, I know more than you think I do. I cannot use your sources cause you pulled them out of your ass, and you cant use mine because you think I am a Christian, well I got news for you, asswipe.I am not, or will never be a Christian. I do not go to church, and I do not believe in their ideology. I just used their source outlet because they brought up pretty good points which you have failed to understand.If you want to play this stupid ass game of being complete redundant jackass, then that's on you. The Roman men hated women, there I said it. Get the fuck over it, you simple little butthurt bitch. Get your damn panties out your ass, and act like a man.

Uh.

I didn't pull my sources out of my ass.

I took you back to the primary sources or as close as I could since I doubt if you read latin.

And trust me, I am highly unlikely not to comprehend the test and sub-text of a Conservapedia article that made no original points at all using the sources they gave.

From what I see, it isn't me who is acting all butthurt or that a tampon is jammed too far up my ass.

You've been called out on making stupid arguments that all Roman men hated women. And you used really stupid sources to try to argue your point.

But I see that you are becoming over-emotional about this so maybe you should just think before you fire your next salvo.

You simply have to do better than this.

[Medusa]

Uh.

I didn't pull my sources out of my ass.

I took you back to the primary sources or as close as I could since I doubt if you read latin.

And trust me, I am highly unlikely not to comprehend the test and sub-text of a Conservapedia article that made no original points at all using the sources they gave.

From what I see, it isn't me who is acting all butthurt or that a tampon is jammed too far up my ass.

You've been called out on making stupid arguments that all Roman men hated women. And you used really stupid sources to try to argue your point.

But I see that you are becoming over-emotional about this so maybe you should just think before you fire your next salvo.

You simply have to do better than this.

Hahaha. Honey I provided you sources. You being 'know it all,' jackass that you are, decided to dispute that. I even provided more sources of female infanticide,with another person agreeing with me. You are bias, and do not know how to read whats in front of you.Maybe if you pull your head out your ass, then maybe you can see that.But oh no you decided that you want to be an asshole today, for the reasons only God knows. Yes you did pull those sources out of your ass, and even said it yourself made the term "Women for kids..,, men for love..., watermelon for something else." Yeah like I am really going to believe anything that comes out of your mouth

[MoufOfKhaos]

This thread is happening right before my eyes, and all I can think of is, Spider Man, save us!



Hey motherfucker, you get back up here and save me from this stupidity!

[Medusa]

It proves absolutely nothing, zilch, zippo. Just another troll agreeing with another troll.

And what the fuck does that have to do with this thread, seriously?

And if someone hates gay men so much, GTFO NOW.

Lol. Shut up cunt.Go play with yourself.

[johaninsc]

Hello what does the fuck does that say to you, honey? Read between the lines they did not consider as anything than baby making machines. Are you just fucking stupid? They did not care about women, even you said they were not consider citizens. Infant females were left in the cold alone, and hungry.If that does not scream hate, than I don't know what does.Anyways keep believing that Roman men loved their women, even if they were not allowed to write any scriptures, document their own history, and was consider a piece of item to lay around and get fucked while they were out fucking other men.

college degree, huh...?

let me guess...you cut an add out of the back pages of the National Enquirer and sent off for it

$4.99 + S&H

[rareboy]

. Thanks I am so happy that someone finally knows what I am talking about

hahahahahahahahahahaha

It is wonderful that birds of a feather flock together.

As usual in comes Grimshaw to show his contempt for everyone here by backing the wrong pony once again.

[GiancarloC]

Hahaha. Honey I provided you sources. You being 'know it all,' jackass that you are, decided to dispute that. I even provided more sources of female infanticide,with another person agreeing with me. You are bias, and do not know how to read whats in front of you.Maybe if you pull your head out your ass, then maybe you can see that.But oh no you decided that you want to be an asshole today, for the reasons only God knows. Yes you did pull those sources out of your ass, and even said it yourself made the term "Women for kids..,, men for love..., watermelon for something else." Yeah like I am really going to believe anything that comes out of your mouth

[pat grimshaw]

In the region known today as southern Texas, the Mariame Indians practiced infanticide of females on a large scale. Wives had to be obtained from neighboring groups.


^ Campbell, T.N. (1983). "Coahuitlecans and their neighbours". In Ortiz, Alonso. Handbook of North American Indians (Southwest). Washington DC: Smithsonian Institution. pp. 352.

[rareboy]

Lol. Shut up cunt.Go play with yourself.

Oh oh.

You can't call someone a cunt. Even when you are frothing at the mouth.

It is against the CoC and you'll probably have the comment deleted. But I'm not going to be the one to report it to the Mods because I want to see you spin even more out of control.



Your incredibly weak sources were shown to be right wing Christian propaganda and your source on female infanticide shown to contradict your own assertion. You failed to demonstrate how the works of Juvenal and Martial, for instance backed up your argument although I gave you translations of the texts.

This is just sad in a way, watching someone so utterly incapable of making a cogent, coherent and logical argument just implode.

And how is an ancient Greek saying that we made up in school even the least bit relevant to your false assertion that all Roman men hated women?

Tell me that please.

The Greeks are an entirely different civilization....did you know that? No? Didn't think so.

[G-Lexington]

This thread is happening right before my eyes, and all I can think of is, Spider Man, save us!



Hey motherfucker, you get back up here and save me from this stupidity!

Fuck that - I'm with Spidey.



Lex

[GiancarloC]

[I]In the region known today as southern Texas, the Mariame Indians practiced infanticide of females on a large scale. Wives had to be obtained from neighboring groups.

^ Campbell, T.N. (1983). "Coahuitlecans and their neighbours". In Ortiz, Alonso. Handbook of North American Indians (Southwest). Washington DC: Smithsonian Institution. pp. 352..

BTW, it's best one gets a source that isn't 30 years old lol.

[pat grimshaw]

Nearly three million girls, one million more than boys, are “missing” in 2011 compared to 2001 in India.

There are now 48 fewer girls per 1,000 boys in India than there were in 1981.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle3981575.ece

[rareboy]

Oh.

And Medusa.

The only reason that I'm interacting with you today is that you have just come to my notice.

I have a feeling that we're going to be very close from here on in.

[GiancarloC]

Nearly three million girls, one million more than boys, are “missing” in 2011 compared to 2001 in India.

There are now 48 fewer girls per 1,000 boys in India than there were in 1981.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle3981575.ece

And this is relevant to what exactly?

Last I checked Rome wasn't in India.

Stop watching Faux...

[pat grimshaw]

"Twenty-five million men in China currently can’t find brides because there is a shortage of women,"

according to Steven Mosher, president of the Population Research Institute in Washington, D.C

[rareboy]

BTW, it's best one gets a source that isn't 30 years old lol.

I'm sure that Pat is in heaven, being able to suggest that all those savage brown people are committing infanticide.

Of course, it has fuck all to do with the Romans but Pat never lets a topic stand in the way of promoting his agenda.

[GiancarloC]

I'm sure that Pat is in heaven, being able to suggest that all those savage brown people are committing infanticide.

Of course, it has fuck all to do with the Romans but Pat never lets a topic stand in the way of promoting his agenda.

I guess it's a good way to spout off some right wing troll agenda... posting some random sources and not posting any argument with it.

[pat grimshaw]

We have sex slaves in my country too.

[CTF]