Homophobia

[Coward92]

curious as to where here is. so you're saying that people are homophobic, anti gay but their apathy is such that they're reluctant, or afraid to express it? that sounds like progress, in that those who used to be out front demonstrating hate, now are afraid to be out front, maybe because those types are now in the minority, and those on the other side aren't afraid to speak up...fight back

It's Hungary here.
It sucks to live here to put it mildly and not only if you are gay.
BAsically our dear motherfucking politicians decided to sell the country to the jews and to the french, which resulted in the downfall of our healthcare system and the dramatic decreases of our salaries in the past 10 years.

Now, the only good side of liberal control (which thankfully ended in 2010) is that even though we barely have enough food to eat, people are dying of easily curable diseases, education has became a privilege of the rich and if you belong to a certain ethnic group you won't have any confrontations with the law because as the policeman you would be branded a racist for doing your job, is that there is a near-equivalent to marriage type of union between same sex couples.

Now people here work 12 hours/day and they are pretty tired. I believe they are too tired to give a fuck about what is happening.
Is it a good thing?

I don't think so. Yes, we can now have a union as gays here, but
a, it is not the same as marriage
b, it is still considered inferior to marriage
c, the price that our society paid for this very small change was pretty high, and it wasn't worth it in general.
d, it is obvious that homosexuality and gay people were used as a means to collect more votes (And this is where I must state that Hungary is a country where a lot of gays voted for the traditionalist party, because the liberalists basically destroyed everything that was built over 20 years before they rose to power.)
e, apathy, depression and ignorance became a common feature in the typical hungarian.

So basically I consider the attitude towards gay people as a positive side effect of the last fucked up 8 years.
But it won't last.

[evanrick]

On a scale of 1-10, 1 being least homophobic, how would you rate the culture in which you grew up, including family, church, neighborhood on the level of homophobic behavior?


2

I grew up next to the church my dad worked at in north Seattle and went to christian preschool - wasn't that bad.

my mom had gay friends, but my dad isn't that bright about social issues and kinda fearful of homosexuality and religion.

the culture is pretty open & the envelope is being pushed every day.

im so lucky to be surrounded by so many remarkable men now that im a grown man. its amazing how connected i feel now with half a dozen brilliant sexy guys.

they dont call it the wild west for nothing.

[4playdude]

I'm going to say somewhere 7-8 ish

I grew up in the 70's/80's, and for the most part in Colorado, outside the city limits of Denver. My mother is homophobic/intolerant to gays, father has never said anything either way. Have 1 brother & 1 sister, both younger than me. brother was homophobic (isn't so much anymore), sister is fully supportive of gays (and her kids are too).

Where I live.. when I was growing up there were never any 'out' or otherwize visible gays in the area (this pretty much still holds true today)
Allot of the neighbors are homophobic & some are racest as well.

I would say that the "7-8 ish" while growing up is something less now... but I still wouldn't 'out' myself any family members (or anyone else for that matter). That said I have taken some risks that I really shouldn't like going to the pride festival down in Denver

I continue to be surprised and informed by the stories and conditions of certain regions around the world, but especially here at home in the u.s.a. Your post made me think back with more clarity to the 1960s in post-war suburbia, not too far from Detroit, where I grew up. I don't have any recollection of any gays, or even effeminate neighbors, teachers, people in the community until high school when I had a math teacher that was slightly effeminate. He was well liked, an excellent teacher and highly respected. However, we had a librarian in high school who was a bit effeminate but more wimpy and weak appearing. Students were brutal in their mocking of him. I didn't join in, but didn't defend him either, as I recall. There were a couple guys in high school, 1970s, that I was attracted to, one in gym class. He pulled at my tank suit once in the pool in gym class. I was aware of my feelings for guys by this time but could not imagine letting it be known. Back then even Liberace wasn't called out, but left alone. It was as if the gays in show biz weren't gay at all, nothing was ever uttered about Paul Lynn, Charles Nelson Reilly, the Mick.

[4playdude]

It's Hungary here.
It sucks to live here to put it mildly and not only if you are gay.
BAsically our dear motherfucking politicians decided to sell the country to the jews and to the french, which resulted in the downfall of our healthcare system and the dramatic decreases of our salaries in the past 10 years.

Now, the only good side of liberal control (which thankfully ended in 2010) is that even though we barely have enough food to eat, people are dying of easily curable diseases, education has became a privilege of the rich and if you belong to a certain ethnic group you won't have any confrontations with the law because as the policeman you would be branded a racist for doing your job, is that there is a near-equivalent to marriage type of union between same sex couples.

Now people here work 12 hours/day and they are pretty tired. I believe they are too tired to give a fuck about what is happening.
Is it a good thing?

I don't think so. Yes, we can now have a union as gays here, but
a, it is not the same as marriage
b, it is still considered inferior to marriage
c, the price that our society paid for this very small change was pretty high, and it wasn't worth it in general.
d, it is obvious that homosexuality and gay people were used as a means to collect more votes (And this is where I must state that Hungary is a country where a lot of gays voted for the traditionalist party, because the liberalists basically destroyed everything that was built over 20 years before they rose to power.)
e, apathy, depression and ignorance became a common feature in the typical hungarian.

So basically I consider the attitude towards gay people as a positive side effect of the last fucked up 8 years.
But it won't last.

Your English is excellent. I feel your desperation. Here in Michigan, my industry, building biz, has been decimated over the last six years, but especially last four years. Thinking it should be over I'm still struggling to pay the bills. Wages have dropped, work disappeared, and people continue to ask how's work, which is a cool thing. Though I'm not Jewish, I spent three years as a docent at the Holocaust Museum here, listening to survivors and their stories that no one can begin to comprehend. One thing I learned there was that it wasn't just Jews who were put into ghettos, death camps, gas chambers, it was gays, socialists, masons, people who wouldn't turn in their neighbors. But, an amazing fact not many people know as that in some instances when Jews and others were released from death camps, gays were left imprisoned. I remember that vividly from my time there. The wore pink triangles while Jews were forced to wear gold stars.

In the movie brokeback mountain the stories of men being brutally killed for being gay, not even effeminate, are highlighted. The thing about gays is that there's one in every family. It doesn't matter what country, religion, ethnicity, social class you are from. And I am confident we are not turning back on progress in this area.

[4playdude]

On a scale of 1-10, 1 being least homophobic, how would you rate the culture in which you grew up, including family, church, neighborhood on the level of homophobic behavior?


2

I grew up next to the church my dad worked at in north Seattle and went to christian preschool - wasn't that bad.

my mom had gay friends, but my dad isn't that bright about social issues and kinda fearful of homosexuality and religion.

the culture is pretty open & the envelope is being pushed every day.

im so lucky to be surrounded by so many remarkable men now that im a grown man. its amazing how connected i feel now with half a dozen brilliant sexy guys.

they dont call it the wild west for nothing.

someone's having fun wish I was there. glad to hear things are cool for you, should be for all, but I agree, progress continues to be made: gay, hispanic poet at Obama's innaguration.

[Coward92]

Your English is excellent. I feel your desperation. Here in Michigan, my industry, building biz, has been decimated over the last six years, but especially last four years. Thinking it should be over I'm still struggling to pay the bills. Wages have dropped, work disappeared, and people continue to ask how's work, which is a cool thing. Though I'm not Jewish, I spent three years as a docent at the Holocaust Museum here, listening to survivors and their stories that no one can begin to comprehend. One thing I learned there was that it wasn't just Jews who were put into ghettos, death camps, gas chambers, it was gays, socialists, masons, people who wouldn't turn in their neighbors. But, an amazing fact not many people know as that in some instances when Jews and others were released from death camps, gays were left imprisoned. I remember that vividly from my time there. The wore pink triangles while Jews were forced to wear gold stars.

In the movie brokeback mountain the stories of men being brutally killed for being gay, not even effeminate, are highlighted. The thing about gays is that there's one in every family. It doesn't matter what country, religion, ethnicity, social class you are from. And I am confident we are not turning back on progress in this area.

We better not. Too much blood has been spilled to earn what we have today.
I just wish people stopped being in need of someone to hate and humiliate so they can feel better about themselves.

[4playdude]

what does it mean when a thread has a yellow envelope and blank line instead of info in the index??

[penayforay]

"everyone's a lil bit homophobic..."

[72-Jay]

what does it mean when a thread has a yellow envelope and blank line instead of info in the index??

Probably just a bug..I've seen things not quite display right on the index page

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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thankyou

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[frankfrank]

Keeping in mind that my growing-up years (up to and including the age of 25) ended about forty years ago, my number will be higher than it probably would be if I was still growing up nowadays.

At home and with family: 8 (I was never "out" during those years; that started a little bit later. I think I was about 29 when I first came out to one of my sisters, and she was cool with it. But that doesn't count, because I consider that to be post-growing-up.)

Culturally and regionally: 6 (It would probably be 2, now, in the same region. In fact, where I spent my college years - Ann Arbor - the number would probably be close to 1. Or, as I prefer in numbered rankings close to 0.)

[LatimerRd]

I grew up in a liberal Catholic family in a liberal town, so I witnessed little outright homophobia, even at the Catholic boys' school I attended.
OTH the larger culture was homophobic, and that permeated my larger experience.

[4playdude]

what was it like at the catholic school? was there much going on between students, staff and students?

[Ninja108]

2...lost a few friends but I was lucky enough to have a family that has supported me from the start, a luxury many LGBT youth sadly don't have.

[M10000]

Rating 10 . . .
I was the token fag in high school. I quit in grade 10.

Rating 3
I lived in Vancouver and out at work / welcoming envoirnment. (guys dont hold hand son the street like they do in San Francisco)

Rating 10
I moved back here because of circumstance and nothing has changed

[4playdude]

where is that ten?

Rating 10 . . .
I was the token fag in high school. I quit in grade 10.

Rating 3
I lived in Vancouver and out at work / welcoming envoirnment. (guys dont hold hand son the street like they do in San Francisco)

Rating 10
I moved back here because of circumstance and nothing has changed

[Keeland]

BAsically our dear motherfucking politicians decided to sell the country to the jews and to the french, which resulted in the downfall of our healthcare system and the dramatic decreases of our salaries in the past 10 years.

Emigrate to Calgary, Alberta.

You'd fit right in.

[4playdude]

thanks for your comments, i was at a loss of how to respond

Emigrate to Calgary, Alberta.

You'd fit right in.

[EuroSoccer]

My family itself is not that homophobic, actually they are pretty open minded.
My friend circle though was another matter, the Homophob-meter went from 6-9 (I don't give a 10 because they never beat anyone ).