So it's cool, and dandy to sleep with married men now?

[Medusa]

i have no idea what this thread is about but it fucking reeks.

token on-topic contribution: yeah, i will fuck a married man if i feel like it. its him whos breaking his promise, not me. i know, many will not agree with this stance. judge me if you feel like it, or come up with some stupid analogy about bank robbers and drivers, i dont care. i wont fuck married men on a regular basis for the very selfish and practical reason that i dont want to put up with the shit that happens when hes finally caught (and you just know he will be, eventually).

But what happens when karma gets you? Will you be nonchalant about your partner sleeping with someone else?Often times I find cheaters, and home wreckers very hypocritical. It's all fun, and games when they do it to someone, but they will be singing a different tunes when they get cheated on.

[Laufey]

I really hate the term home wrecker because it suggests the third wheel is responsible. The third wheel isn't cheating, the husband is. He should choose to be faithful... not be faithful because he lacks the opportunity to cheat. Like I said before in my book it's already cheating the moment the man wants to cheat.

[Medusa]

I really hate the term home wrecker because it suggests the third wheel is responsible. The third wheel isn't cheating, the husband is. He should choose to be faithful... not be faithful because he lacks the opportunity to cheat. Like I said before in my book it's already cheating the moment the man wants to cheat.

A home wrecker is someone that knowingly sleeps with another man,or person that is already taken, and get joy out of it. Like I said before, what if a home wrecker get a taste of their own medicine?What will they say then?

[Laufey]

I'd say good to find out sooner than later that he's a cheater.

[hylas]

But what happens when karma gets you? Will you be nonchalant about your partner sleeping with someone else?Often times I find cheaters, and home wreckers very hypocritical. It's all fun, and games when they do it to someone, but they will be singing a different tunes when they get cheated on.

first of all, i dont believe in karma, or heaven and hell, or "cosmic justice" of any kind. so there.

secondly, all my serious relationships are open to some extent.

thirdly, if he still cheats on me, i direct my anger at him, not the guy he cheated with. he is the one who broke his promise and betrayed my trust, after all. the other guy, why should i care about him?

ps: laufey, high five!

[G-Lexington]

I've always thought that was strange. When somebody finds out their partner cheated, they sharpen their claws and go after...the third party. Why not the partner? If you're in a monogamous relationship, you shouldn't be telling the world "hands off my partner". You should tell your partner "hands off the world".

Lex

[pat grimshaw]

I'd say good to find out sooner than later that he's a cheater.

That's why some mothers and mothers-in-law insist their children have LONG engagements before they commit to marriage (with all its legal consequences).

[Medusa]

first of all, i dont believe in karma, or heaven and hell, or "cosmic justice" of any kind. so there.

secondly, all my serious relationships are open to some extent.

thirdly, if he still cheats on me, i direct my anger at him, not the guy he cheated with. he is the one who broke his promise and betrayed my trust, after all. the other guy, why should i care about him?

ps: laufey, high five!

I am not faulting only the third party. I just think it's weird, and sad that sleeping with a married man is a badge of honor to some people, and if the tables were reversed they would not like it at all. And as for married men, that likes to cheat, those are the ones that should not be in relationships in the first place.Especially men who are using women as beards, and they do not know they are being used.

[xbuzzerx]

But what happens when karma gets you? Will you be nonchalant about your partner sleeping with someone else?Often times I find cheaters, and home wreckers very hypocritical. It's all fun, and games when they do it to someone, but they will be singing a different tunes when they get cheated on.

Karma is a Hindu and Sikh notion.

A home wrecker is someone that knowingly sleeps with another man,or person that is already taken, and get joy out of it. Like I said before, what if a home wrecker get a taste of their own medicine?What will they say then?

So if they have sex with someone married and the sex is bad, they are not a homewrecker?

[borg69unimatrix]

I am not faulting only the third party. I just think it's weird, and sad that sleeping with a married man is a badge of honor to some people, and if the tables were reversed they would not like it at all. And as for married men, that likes to cheat, those are the ones that should not be in relationships in the first place.Especially men who are using women as beards, and they do not know they are being used.

You try to word it cleverly, but you're STILL saying that you only find it most heinous if it's a Gay/Bi guy cheating.

[pat grimshaw]

what tangled webs we weave

[MysteryLovesCompany]

I've always thought that was strange. When somebody finds out their partner cheated, they sharpen their claws and go after...the third party. Why not the partner? If you're in a monogamous relationship, you shouldn't be telling the world "hands off my partner". You should tell your partner "hands off the world".

Lex

I agree, but there are various degrees of moral responsibility there as well. Say if your partner cheated with a close friend of yours, you would probably feel some resentment towards the friend as well, because when it comes to friends most of us assume that it goes without saying that respective partners (of monogamous relationships) are hands off.
If someone feels the same way about the rest of the world as well and not just close friends I can't really blame them for that.

[HunterM]

I really hate the term home wrecker because it suggests the third wheel is responsible. The third wheel isn't cheating, the husband is. He should choose to be faithful... not be faithful because he lacks the opportunity to cheat. Like I said before in my book it's already cheating the moment the man wants to cheat.

Exactly! It's like blaming all fast food restaurants for making us fat. Yes, they're on every street corner. But we have a choice to either pay for fast food and eat it...or not.

True vegetarians or vegans would not give in to eating meat even when they are dining at a chicken, seafood, or steak restaurant.

[xbuzzerx]

^ ipso facto

Pat defending a troll. HMM.

[pat grimshaw]

Exactly! It's like blaming all fast food restaurants for making us fat…

we had a ridiculous example of that in my city. Hopefully the doctor will appeal
http://www.smh.com.au/national/healt...207-2e1gs.html

[youfiad]

I'm confused as to the point of the thread, who said it was okay to sleep with married men and even moreso, who said it was the thing to do around here?

[MysteryLovesCompany]

I'm confused as to the point of the thread, who said it was okay to sleep with married men and even moreso, who said it was the thing to do around here?

Yeah, it's one thing that people have different opinions about the subject, but I have never witnessed any encouragement of people to go out and try to wreck as many straight relationships as possible the way the OP is trying to claim.

[youfiad]

All of the things I know about my brother are wrong and the women he sleeps with that aren't his girlfriend are innocent. I thought that they knew he had a girlfriend and that he was a douchebag for cheating and they were bitches for helping him cheat. It turns out, after all of these years, it's the homosexuals fault. It all makes sense now.

[Telstra]

I encourage straight couples to get married.
I have videos to proof it but not going to show.

[youfiad]

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I don't think this is a statistically significant testing of data. Firstly, your sample size is much too small and your sample group is highly biased.. That's like going to an alcoholics anonymous meeting and asking people if they've ever had any addiction problems -- of course!

[youfiad]

So, it's dandy for women to kill children?

http://www.examiner.com/article/nape...rd-her-husband

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/01/justic...hildren-killed

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2439714.html

There must be some statistically significant relationship here. THERE JUST MUST BE!!

[whitedavo]

Glorification on this forum? No. Glorification in general? Yes.

Like someone in the other thread astutely pointed out, it's degrading to homosexuals to want to desire to be with someone "straight". Being with someone who identifies as straight does not make you less gay.

I feel that some just see being married to a woman as the ultimate symbol of being straight. "They have committed to a woman for life so I am truly tasting the forbidden fruit." When in reality, they're just doing it out of societal/family pressure and will continue to screw men as the opportunities arise.

[Medusa]

so, it's dandy for women to kill children?

http://www.examiner.com/article/nape...rd-her-husband

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/01/justic...hildren-killed

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2439714.html

there must be some statistically significant relationship here. There just must be!!

what the hell? How did you, you come with this? This topic has nothing to do with crazy women.

[justanothershyguy]

what the hell? How did you, you come with this? This topic has nothing to do with crazy women.

Your topic title implied that all gay men are under the impression that it's OK to sleep with married men.

[xbuzzerx]

So, it's dandy for women to kill children?

http://www.examiner.com/article/nape...rd-her-husband

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/01/justic...hildren-killed

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2439714.html

There must be some statistically significant relationship here. THERE JUST MUST BE!!

what the hell? How did you, you come with this? This topic has nothing to do with crazy women.

I know exactly the point you were making youfiad and you're dead on. But here's where Medusa will go completely rock-brained and be unable to grasp the point, much like when she could not grasp that saying gay people should just deal with discriminatory businesses had obvious and relevant correlations to status quo arguments during the Civil Rights movement either.

[youfiad]

what the hell? How did you, you come with this? This topic has nothing to do with crazy women.

Well, I thought I'd make your argument personal to you so that you'd see its inconsistancy. I don't think that all women are crazy enough to kill their children nor am I silly enough to think that gay men aim to break up marriages.

[Medusa]

Well, I thought I'd make your argument personal to you so that you'd see its inconsistancy. I don't think that all women are crazy enough to kill their children nor am I silly enough to think that gay men aim to break up marriages.

where did you see me say all gay men does that?And using crazy women killing their kids as an example is fucking weird.i am still trying figure how can you come up with that?you made me have a Scooby-Doo moment

[youfiad]

where did you see me say all gay men does that?And using crazy women killing their kids as an example is fucking weird.i am still trying figure how can you come up with that?you made me have a Scooby-Doo moment

If you don't think there is a correlation between gay men and marriage fucking then there wouldn't have been a thread about it. For example, I don't believe that there is a statistically relevant correlation between women and kid killing, ergo, I don't make a thread.

[xbuzzerx]

where did you see me say all gay men does that?And using crazy women killing their kids as an example is fucking weird.i am still trying figure how can you come up with that?you made me have a Scooby-Doo moment

You're asking the forum to defend to you the notion of "glorifying sleeping with married people", why don't you go ask the people actually doing it instead of presuming the entire community of gay men here does?

[mitchymo]

I'd exile those people to an unpleasant island, tbqh.

That's going to be a fair few people. Can we make that island Great Britain, i don't have to go anywhere then.

Often times I find cheaters, and home wreckers very hypocritical. It's all fun, and games when they do it to someone, but they will be singing a different tunes when they get cheated on.

There is no hypocrisy at all unless people are doing it out of malice. That is not the case with about 99.9% of 'the other woman', or 3rd party if you prefer. There is no 'seeking' to break people up, no intent to 'home-wreck'. These are the insinuations of those who fail to deal with reality. The 3rd party is NOT the one at fault. If you live by the rules that you will never cheat on your partner, and that your partner is out on their ear if they ever cheat on you, and if EVERYBODY had these morals, there wouldn't be any problem. But whilst Joe Bloggs may not have these morals, and cheats on his wife, looking in MY direction, and i am free and single, attracted to him, and don't know his partner, he is fair game. So, perhaps my morals are not as good as yours on that issue, but they are at least better than the cheats, since that is one thing i don't do. I live by the two golden rules. Don't cheat and ditch a cheat.
The 'singing a different tune' is an inevitability that comes along with having someone YOU trust, break that trust.

[xbuzzerx]

^ Yup, it's a lot of "it's easier to hate the third party and scapegoat them, rather than come to terms with the fact that your spouse isn't trustworthy and betrayed you."

[Medusa]

That's going to be a fair few people. Can we make that island Great Britain, i don't have to go anywhere then.



There is no hypocrisy at all unless people are doing it out of malice. That is not the case with about 99.9% of 'the other woman', or 3rd party if you prefer. There is no 'seeking' to break people up, no intent to 'home-wreck'. These are the insinuations of those who fail to deal with reality. The 3rd party is NOT the one at fault. If you live by the rules that you will never cheat on your partner, and that your partner is out on their ear if they ever cheat on you, and if EVERYBODY had these morals, there wouldn't be any problem. But whilst Joe Bloggs may not have these morals, and cheats on his wife, looking in MY direction, and i am free and single, attracted to him, and don't know his partner, he is fair game. So, perhaps my morals are not as good as yours on that issue, but they are at least better than the cheats, since that is one thing i don't do. I live by the two golden rules. Don't cheat and ditch a cheat.
The 'singing a different tune' is an inevitability that comes along with having someone YOU trust, break that trust.

But I generally, talking about karma. I am a big believer of karma. Whatever someone does to hurt anyone, for their own selfish reason, then they will get it back twice as harder. Case in point cheaters, and homewreckers, and yes the third party is at fault if they knowingly sleeping with someone who is already taken. Why can't they get their own lover, instead of knowingly messing with a married person.And yes I do feel like that if a man goes out his way to cheat on his wife,especially if he is sleeping with another man he is doing it out of malice. If they didn't they would have gotten a divorce so the woman will not be ashamed of herself.

[borg69unimatrix]

But I generally, talking about karma. I am a big believer of karma. Whatever someone does to hurt anyone, for their own selfish reason, then they will get it back twice as harder. Case in point cheaters, and homewreckers, and yes the third party is at fault if they knowingly sleeping with someone who is already taken. Why can't they get their own lover, instead of knowingly messing with a married person.And yes I do feel like that if a man goes out his way to cheat on his wife,especially if he is sleeping with another man he is doing it out of malice. If they didn't they would have gotten a divorce so the woman will not be ashamed of herself.

There you go blaming the gays again.

[pat grimshaw]

^ but woudn't that man be bisex rather than gay?

[Medusa]

There you go blaming the gays again.

I am not blaming gays, I am blaming lying ass dl men.Theres a difference. And Pat, just because a man is married to a woman, and sleeps with random men, does not mean that man is bisexual. He is just a lying gay man, that for some reason gets a kick out of cheating on his obliviously beard

[johaninsc]

I am not blaming gays, I am blaming lying ass dl men.Theres a difference. And Pat, just because a man is married to a woman, and sleeps with random men, does not mean that man is bisexual. He is just a lying gay man, that for some reason gets a kick out of cheating on his obliviously beard

what if it's a married woman sleeping around on her husband with random women

...would you consider her to be a lying gay woman and not a bisexual, also?

[borg69unimatrix]

Straight guys cheat on women on the "dl" all the time... yet you keep focusing only on the gay ones as being more in the wrong. You bias and homophobia is perfectly clear.

[Huntneo(PT)]

Case in point cheaters, and homewreckers, and yes the third party is at fault if they knowingly sleeping with someone who is already taken. Why can't they get their own lover, instead of knowingly messing with a married person.

Some people are just selfish and want what they want. To hell with everyone/everything else.

It's life. *shrugs* Seriously. You'll just have to take some solace in the fact that not all of us would be cool with sleeping with someone that's in a relationship.

That being said--I do agree with the majority here that "third parties" are not to blame. If I find out my partner has cheated on me...he's the person I am going to deal with...not the person he fucked.

[bankside]

Some people are just selfish and want what they want. To hell with everyone/everything else.

It's life. *shrugs* Seriously. You'll just have to take some solace in the fact that not all of us would be cool with sleeping with someone that's in a relationship.

That being said--I do agree with the majority here that "third parties" are not to blame. If I find out my partner has cheated on me...he's the person I am going to deal with...not the person he fucked.

Why is it an either/or situation? It's not a choice between blaming either the cheating guy in the relationship or the guy he cheats with.

I'm in a monogamous relationship, and of course I would not be cool with my guy pretending to be monogamous to my face but actually sleeping with someone else. That would be his failure.

But there is a big difference in the moral quality of the guy he sleeps with in our bed under a picture of us on our wedding day, and the guy who says "Wait, I thought you said you were single?! You brought me over here to fuck you under a picture of you and your husband? Go fuck yourself."

The fact that so many of us see those two third-wheels as morally equivalent, or just making a neutral choice to "do what they do," and where neither response matters, explains a lot of the fucked-uppedness of the world.

[pat grimshaw]

I sympathise with what you say about the "dl", Medusa.

I just hope in the near future guys won't have to go "on the down low" to get good man sex. And hopefully all those guys who might be calling themselves bi can be more open about what they want.

[rareboy]

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I have notice that some men here will glorify the act of sleeping with a married man, like it's a badge of honor, that they will wear with pride. How fucked up is that? And that saying can be reversed as well.Does anyone else have a problem with that? Why is it so fucking cool around here to sleep with a married man?

And also since I am on the subject. What would you do if you find out that a female friend or family member, or hell even a female stranger, was being bamboozled into marrying a gay man? Would you do something like what these people did in WWYD?:, and btw, all thoughts are welcome regrading to this video.

To be blunt, this is the part of the post that I found most offensive and I can't believe that no one has called you out on this nugget.

How the fuck is infidelity part of the same subject as getting 'bamboozled' into marrying a homo?

Your automatic assumption that every homo married to a woman is going to cheat is not only grossly erroneous, it is seems to be indicative of some kind of animus you bear toward gay or bisexual men.

While others are accusing you of trolling, I'm beginning to suspect that in your past you have had a bad relationship or an unrequited relationship with a homo or bi-sexual man and use JUB as a way of working out your angst.

But what I really suspect is that you have no real understanding of relationships or homos or bisexuals at all. It is like there is some significant disconnect in your logic stream whenever you are discussing issues like the ones you have mooted here.

What would you say if I suggested that in 99% of the cases of a homo marrying a woman...it is the guy that is being bamboozled into marrying a woman? Or that in almost all cases...there is no bamboozling at all?

I would suggest that you read 'Homos For Dummies' perhaps.

[eastofeden]

First...I agree with Matt...

Second...the elephant in the room...there are alot of conscious and unconsious reasons women marry closeted gay men ranging from an inability to connect emotionally to a man to needing to control everyone and everything around her. RARELY is one party a victim in ANY relationship.

[evanrick]

if my buddy wants to have his cake and eat it too then im not in a position to judge my buddy

[Nishin]

To be blunt, this is the part of the post that I found most offensive and I can't believe that no one has called you out on this nugget.

How the fuck is infidelity part of the same subject as getting 'bamboozled' into marrying a homo?

Your automatic assumption that every homo married to a woman is going to cheat is not only grossly erroneous, it is seems to be indicative of some kind of animus you bear toward gay or bisexual men.

While others are accusing you of trolling, I'm beginning to suspect that in your past you have had a bad relationship or an unrequited relationship with a homo or bi-sexual man and use JUB as a way of working out your angst.

But what I really suspect is that you have no real understanding of relationships or homos or bisexuals at all. It is like there is some significant disconnect in your logic stream whenever you are discussing issues like the ones you have mooted here.

What would you say if I suggested that in 99% of the cases of a homo marrying a woman...it is the guy that is being bamboozled into marrying a woman? Or that in almost all cases...there is no bamboozling at all?

I would suggest that you read 'Homos For Dummies' perhaps.

I was thinking the exact same ...

As to answer the question about married men I share the opinion that if that guy wants to cheat on his partner, he will, whoever it is he sleeps with, that's between him and his partner.

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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[DreamDancer310]

Medusa...you heteros having skrewed up marriage for centuries...with domestic violence, cheating, DIVORCE, and aplethora of other things. That you as a hetero would even have the nerve to direct this topic at us in the manner you worded it is some nerve. GO MAKE THIS ON SOME HETERO FORUM...y'all are getting divorced from each other like it's going out of business.
But bigots always spin every story and angle to somehow blame gays, fault gays or make gays feel guilty.
Your agenda got called out boo boo.

[johaninsc]

I am not blaming gays, I am blaming lying ass dl men.Theres a difference. And Pat, just because a man is married to a woman, and sleeps with random men, does not mean that man is bisexual. He is just a lying gay man, that for some reason gets a kick out of cheating on his obliviously beard

what if it's a married woman sleeping around on her husband with random women

...would you consider her to be a lying gay woman and not a bisexual, also?

Medusa, are you going to answer this question that I asked you in post#86, or not..?

[Laufey]

Medusa is banned.

[TheLyingGame]

Anybody who willingly sleeps with someone else's partner, boyfriend or husband is a nasty ass tramp.

I don't even care.

[Laufey]

Anybody who willingly sleeps with someone else's partner, boyfriend or husband is a nasty ass tramp.