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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    This is incorrect. Let's address your use of Islamic terrorists first. The US goes after terrorists. The Islamic modifier is added in simply to drum up sentiment against the religion/region. Just because the majority of terrorists follow Islam doesn't mean the majority of people who follow Islam are terrorists. .

    ?
    Of all the recorded incidents of terrorist activity during the past several years, how many were perpetrated by Islamic Extremists.
    The correct answer is that the overwhelming majority of them were. Hence Islamic Terrorists.

    The West is at war with militant Islam, whether spineless liberals want to believe it or not.

    And our Kadarshian president cannot bring himself to say the words. Could that be because he is a Muslim, if not de jure, certainly de facto. In fact Mrs. Obama is on record referring to her husband's "Muslim faith."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You still didn't read the article ... I know it's AWKWARD to read something in the NYT that doesn't totally agree with extreme kooky liberal ideas. But do yourself a favor and become informed.

    At least two innocent people were killed. Read the article.
    I did read the article. I saw that two people who were allegedly innocent were killed when we killed a group of terrorists. You obviously missed the fact that I grasped that idea in my previous post. I'll slow it down next time. BTW, since you're big on reading articles, how many Americans were killed in the USS Cole bombing in Yemen that at least two of the people in the airstrike were connected to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I feel like you can say it regardless. When it comes to the drone issue, Springer has flat out stated that American soldiers SHOULD die and it's a better alternative than drones.
    The inconsistency is just amazing. Are you blind to the comparison?

    Torture is bad ... killing is good?

    Do you honestly believe that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Get it straight -- your inconsistency is embarrassing.

    Bush arrested human beings and put them in prison and tried to get information from them to save other human beings lives.

    Obama kills who he wants ... no matter who they are ... even Americans. BANG!!! You're DEAD!!!
    Yeah, Gitmo worked SO well...the prisoners either

    A) didn't know anything because they weren't actually terrorists.

    B) were terrorists, but kept their mouths shut

    c) were terrorists, but gave false, useless, or outdated intel.

    Torture or threat of death doesn't work on people that have nothing to lose and believe they'll be rewarded for dying for their cause.

    As for Obama, he killed people that were actually associated with terrorists . Yet you're acting like he's flying drones all over America, bombing babies and puppies. When he starts drone bombing US ciitizens that AREN'T allied with terrorists, then I'll be outraged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Of all the recorded incidents of terrorist activity during the past several years, how many were perpetrated by Islamic Extremists.
    The correct answer is that the overwhelming majority of them were. Hence Islamic Terrorists.

    The West is at war with militant Islam, whether spineless liberals want to believe it or not.

    And our Kadarshian president cannot bring himself to say the words. Could that be because he is a Muslim, if not de jure, certainly de facto. In fact Mrs. Obama is on record referring to her husband's "Muslim faith."
    You're as bad at reading comprehension as Jack Springer. I'm starting to see a trend here. According to your (il)logic, obviously all Republican-leaning individuals can't read and comprehend.

    I'll also go ahead and put it here again so you might catch it a second time.

    Just because the majority of terrorists follow Islam doesn't mean the majority of people who follow Islam are terrorists

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The inconsistency is just amazing. Are you blind to the comparison?

    Torture is bad ... killing is good?

    Do you honestly believe that?
    In war and armed conflict, yes.

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    ^^^

    You aren't serious ... are you?

    Can you say Muslim Terrorist? Obama cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuryOfFirestorm View Post
    Yeah, Gitmo worked SO well...the prisoners either

    A) didn't know anything because they weren't actually terrorists.

    B) were terrorists, but kept their mouths shut

    c) were terrorists, but gave false, useless, or outdated intel.

    Torture or threat of death doesn't work on people that have nothing to lose and believe they'll be rewarded for dying for their cause.

    As for Obama, he killed people that were actually associated with terrorists . Yet you're acting like he's flying drones all over America, bombing babies and puppies. When he starts drone bombing US ciitizens that AREN'T allied with terrorists, then I'll be outraged.
    Amazing logic. In your logic -- if we used drones to extract information from terrorists ... it would be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    In war and armed conflict, yes.
    Wait a minute...you mean to tell me that people die during wars? Next you'll tell me that drone strikes are allowed by the Geneva Convention and torture isn't! That's almost as hard to understand that it's OK to kill known terrorists, but it's not OK to imprison people without evidence or legal counsel! Gosh! Things I learn when i'm not sucking on Obama's manly chocolate nutsack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    You're as bad at reading comprehension as Jack Springer. I'm starting to see a trend here. According to your (il)logic, obviously all Republican-leaning individuals can't read and comprehend.

    I'll also go ahead and put it here again so you might catch it a second time.

    Just because the majority of terrorists follow Islam doesn't mean the majority of people who follow Islam are terrorists
    Stop your fucking personal attacks. Discuss the subject.

    Amazing -- you cannot say Muslim terrorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You're missing the point. NO DUE PROCESS FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS.

    You would be going apeshit if any other person was President.

    lick, lick
    So wait Jack I'm failing to understand, if an American joins with an enemy military or enemy terrorist organization, we shouldn't have our guys fire at them?

    So basically, all Al Qaeda has to do is get an American at every facility and then, according to your ruleset, we should never do anything about them at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Amazing logic. In your logic -- if we used drones to extract information from terrorists ... it would be ok.
    WHUT?


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    Quote Originally Posted by FuryOfFirestorm View Post
    WHUT?

    He's stuck on this whole 'personal human touch' vs. 'drone' thing which he thinks is somehow totally changing the picture.

    And yeah, you're right, it makes utterly no sense.

    It's really simple Jack and if you aren't seeing it you're just choosing not to. If we're going to wage war on terrorists what costs a lot more of everything (including human deaths): surgical strikes or invasions, occupations and airstrikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    You aren't serious ... are you?

    Can you say Muslim Terrorist? Obama cannot.
    Go ahead.

    Can you say white supremacist Christian Terrorist?

    Go ahead.

    I dare you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    The inconsistency is just amazing. Are you blind to the comparison?

    Torture is bad ... killing is good?

    Do you honestly believe that?
    There is not a letter in the post you've quoted that refers to torture. I was pointing out that you've said before that we need to send troops and actual people to bomb and kill (and risk their lives) because, and I quote, "war has to be hard, gritty and personal. It's not supposed to be easy". So obviously you're FOR the risking and unavoidable loss of US soldiers' lives, as long as we're not using drones. Don't blame me for quoting you verbatim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post

    Go ahead.

    Can you say white supremacist Christianist Terrorist?

    Go ahead.

    I dare you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You didn't read the article I supplied. It illustrates how at least two innocent people and camel were killed by Obama's new drone war.

    - - - Updated - - -



    Bob only sees what he wants to see. He's a very biased person.
    OMFG.....LOL! The coffee almost blew out my nose.

    You're the most biased person I've ever seen.

    C'mon Springer..... why don't you join up and fight the enemy with your bayonet? They'll be able to see your handsome face.

    Are you chicken?


    Thought so......

    So just sit there on your computer in your little room whining about the President. Big tough man.....

    You've really made a fool of yourself in this thread but that's typical for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    the problem is, how do you define imminent threat? based on the released memo, it seems like the Executive branch has given itself the authority to declare pretty much anyone an imminent threat for any vague reason. that's the crux of the arguments that most liberals seem to be bringing against this (see: Maddow, NY Times, Washington Post, etc)



    http://www.salon.com/2013/02/05/who_...mas_kill_list/



    a case was brought up by his family and the ACLU... it was dismissed under the "political question doctrine," basically meaning that it's up to Congress to do something (or do nothing and let the next President continue on with the assassinations without trials or evidence)

    I hope that the President eventually comes around and follows his own suggestions...



    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...nterview-pt--1
    Loki, when you talk about "bringing to trial" you're suggesting that these people working in Al Qaeda cells are guilty of misdemeanors or something. They're people attemping to carry out terrorist attacks against the U.S. and its embassies and its forces overseas.

    Please, get some perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obama has gone far past anything that the Patriot Act provided. Bush received holy hell from the media and the left for limited wiretaps -- Obama can wiretap anything he wants now -- the media was quiet.

    Obama can target American citizens and the left still kisses his left ball.

    I'll use the word again to describe the left --- HYPOCRITE
    I didn't think the Patriot Act was a good thing then. I still don't. This new encroachment on the Constitution doesn't surprise me at all.

    Saying left hypocrite is a redundancy. Saying left kissass is a redundancy as well. Aren't his balls in Michele's back pocket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I didn't think the Patriot Act was a good thing then. I still don't. This new encroachment on the Constitution doesn't surprise me at all.

    Saying left hypocrite is a redundancy. Saying left kissass is a redundancy as well. Aren't his balls in Michele's back pocket?
    Why don't you guys just create a thread entitled "I hate Obama and I'm really fucking angry he's still President" and just keep it all there? This crap poisons every single discussion.

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    Why don't you guys just create a thread entitled "I hate Obama and I'm really fucking angry he's still President" and just keep it all there? This crap poisons every single discussion.

    You guys do not have discussions. You have circlejerks spouting facts and figures from the same handful of sources which all have an agenda thus no veracity. I won't make another comment.

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    GWB was a less than perfect president, but people go to the point of being stupid in demonizing him. He did have redeeming qualities. He expressed genuine concern over global warming, and they even have a private residence that is designed to be green-friendly. Also, although I would have liked for him to have more liberal positions on gay rights issues, he did stand up for gay people against "kicking gay people" and using gay people as a political scapegoat. Although I have serious misgivings about GWB, he is not the devil incarnate bastard he is made out to be.

    And I have found most of the grounds on which people have tried to slag Obama to be at best dubious, at worst outright lies. Economists who once criticized his stimulus package now acknowledge that it was effective. His health care act has actually succeeded in reducing the proportion of Americans living without health insurance, even before having been fully implemented, and this is no surprise because it was modeled after a program that actually worked pretty well in one of our states. He has been a good president, and he has served this country well.

    Now, as far as "Obama killing US citizens," I assume you are talking about Awlaki. Awlaki was a terrorist and a criminal, and thank God he is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    You guys do not have discussions. You have circlejerks spouting facts and figures from the same handful of sources which all have an agenda thus no veracity. I won't make another comment.
    Good. Go.

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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    As a less than active member of this forum, I get more and more confused every time I stumble in here.

    When an American citizen joins forces with anti-american forces (terrorists are a good example.) they have
    abrogated their rights as an American Citizen. And there is a PERIOD at the end of that sentence.
    I am amazed this needs to be spelled out even for some twits here.

    I am older than most of you, half the time you can't even understand me because I am not simplistic enough
    for you to do a 2second recon and go on. Okay, bottom line...use your inner eye to visualize...

    Place # is rigid, inflexible and secular and has been running their world since before God and running it their way.
    Place @ is about 2-300 years old, has welcomed, fed, aided and protected a number of Place #'s for years. Some
    of those places frequently invite Place@ to help them

    Following so far? Those dissidents in Place # don't like not Controlling everything even more than Place @ likes
    playing Nanny to Gaea. (hard to believe...oops JMPO)

    If you were a member of my group and jumped ship trying to overtake me and mine, you are not a member of my
    group and I don't give a fuck how you get taken down...your collateral damage is a problem for you and your new
    allegiance. ...for fuck sake boys and girls,the issue isn't Obama or Bush or those individuals (whose names I can't
    pronounce spell or more than half way remember.)

    Drones or troop or missiles or active sanctions, what ever works. America needs to remember it is supposed to be
    an amalgam of the worlds people, learning at one village, slowly and painfully aspiring to a better place for all. Just
    curious, how many here are talking out of life experience and how many are talking out of books? How many are just
    talking? These are just my personal thoughts...not meant to attack or insult anyone

    I have to leave now before theforum stoning begins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Stop your fucking personal attacks. Discuss the subject.

    Amazing -- you cannot say Muslim terrorist.
    Why is it ok for you to personally attack Muslims by equating them to terrorists then? And yes, I can say Muslim terrorist, but I won't since the two are independent characterizations.

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    the problem is, how do you define imminent threat? based on the released memo, it seems like the Executive branch has given itself the authority to declare pretty much anyone an imminent threat for any vague reason. that's the crux of the arguments that most liberals seem to be bringing against this (see: Maddow, NY Times, Washington Post, etc)
    I would say that a person who has sided with the enemy and has links to a laundry list of terrorist attacks or attempted attacks is an imminent threat, meaning if the threat is not neutralized, the attacks will just keep coming. Again, I don't get how people are equating the idea of an American walking out of a Taco Bell and being drone bombed to a person who renounced his citizenship, sided with the enemy, and conspired to kill American citizens. You can't run off and coordinate attacks on Americans from what you consider to be a safe haven country and do so with impunity by hiding behind the fact that you consider yourself an American citizen ONLY for the purposes of evading punishment for your crimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    a case was brought up by his family and the ACLU... it was dismissed under the "political question doctrine," basically meaning that it's up to Congress to do something (or do nothing and let the next President continue on with the assassinations without trials or evidence)
    Incorrect. The case was dismissed because his family and the ACLU did not have legal standing to bring a case against the government. The guy was an adult and did not sign over power of attorney to either his parents or the ACLU, thus they have no legal jurisdiction to file a case on his behalf. He had ample opportunity to catch the earliest flight from Yemen to fight the charges himself or call up mommy and daddy and give them power of attorney since he was busy off being a terrorist. He did neither and thus missed his opportunity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I didn't think the Patriot Act was a good thing then. I still don't. This new encroachment on the Constitution doesn't surprise me at all.
    So what part of the current Patriot Act don't you like? Please be specific. You quoted a complete mischaracterization/misinterpretation of it, so I would like to hear what you actually think it does to trample on the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Smith View Post
    GWB was a less than perfect president, but people go to the point of being stupid in demonizing him. He did have redeeming qualities. He expressed genuine concern over global warming, and they even have a private residence that is designed to be green-friendly. Also, although I would have liked for him to have more liberal positions on gay rights issues, he did stand up for gay people against "kicking gay people" and using gay people as a political scapegoat. Although I have serious misgivings about GWB, he is not the devil incarnate bastard he is made out to be.

    And I have found most of the grounds on which people have tried to slag Obama to be at best dubious, at worst outright lies. Economists who once criticized his stimulus package now acknowledge that it was effective. His health care act has actually succeeded in reducing the proportion of Americans living without health insurance, even before having been fully implemented, and this is no surprise because it was modeled after a program that actually worked pretty well in one of our states. He has been a good president, and he has served this country well.

    Now, as far as "Obama killing US citizens," I assume you are talking about Awlaki. Awlaki was a terrorist and a criminal, and thank God he is dead.
    Agreed on all counts. I didn't like how GWB ran things, but I didn't harbor hate towards him. He also seemed like he was trying to do what he thought was best for America.

    As for Obama, there's a vast difference between making a valid criticism and heaping made-up bullshit on him. Some people on here (they know who they are) keep repeatedly harping on Obama about stupid inconsequential things (like using the flag on his campaign buttons), blame him for things he has no control or influence over (like Jeeps being made in China), or get their panties all knotted up when Obama does the same thing previous Presidents did. Even worse, when they do have something approaching an actual critique, it's usually a thinly veiled personal attack "supported" by "facts" from grossly biased sources like Fox News, World Net Daily and Breitbart.com.

    As for Awlaki, his son died because he was willingly and knowingly associating with known terrorists in a country known to be a hotbed of terrorist activity. He wasn't a 6 year old boy being dragged to Yemen by his father. He was a 16 year old that sought out his father, knowing that he was working with Al-Qaeda. You lie down with dogs, you're going to get fleas. Just because he was an American citizen doesn't give him a free pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post

    You guys do not have discussions. You have circlejerks spouting facts and figures from the same handful of sources which all have an agenda thus no veracity. I won't make another comment.
    One has to wonder then, why do you bother coming here at all, if the level fails to meet your high standards? And I know you have a good 15-20 years on me, so the question becomes even more peculiar... You argue like a 17-year old, but maybe that's just lack of proficiency with the new types of online communication? I know it's hard on the older generations...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    GWB might not have been a demon, but he ran his 2004 campaign on the back of homophobia. Nuff said.
    Yeah. That is very much the fault of thinkers like Rove, who followed the "energize your base" philosophy of campaign politics. It may be effective in the short-term for winning an election, but it created the monster that is the Tea Party. GWB came out later complaining about the Tea Party's "nativism." Well, behold your Frankensteinian Monster, President George. What good is winning an election, to have a chance to serve your country, if you start it down the path to civil war in the process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I didn't think the Patriot Act was a good thing then. I still don't. This new encroachment on the Constitution doesn't surprise me at all.

    Saying left hypocrite is a redundancy. Saying left kissass is a redundancy as well. Aren't his balls in Michele's back pocket?
    Since Hillary is gone ... Obama will have to find a new source for his balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    Since Hillary is gone ... Obama will have to find a new source for his balls.
    Whine whine whine. He's still gonna stay president until Hilary replaces him in 2016 How that must chafe!
    Last edited by Rolyo85; February 8th, 2013 at 01:53 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Since Hillary is gone ... Obama will have to find a new source for his balls.
    If this is the best you can do why do you bother to post?

    President Obama will be President for another 4 years Springer. Accept it and move on.

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    4 more years.

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    When did republicans start caring so much about the lives of people other than their paying constituents? Let alone people from other countries? Oh right, they started caring when Obama won. I guess they finally realized absolutely and publicly refusin to work with the President wasn't working for their approval ratings. Time for a new tactic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty View Post
    As a less than active member of this forum, I get more and more confused every time I stumble in here.

    When an American citizen joins forces with anti-american forces (terrorists are a good example.) they have
    abrogated their rights as an American Citizen. And there is a PERIOD at the end of that sentence.
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    Hear, Hear!

    I would remind those that use the atrocity of GTMO to somehow represent Bush and evil would do well to remember that DEMOCRATS rejected the idea of military tribunals for war criminals as has been conducted since the inception of our nation. They then cried foul when in the course of trying to close GTMO Obama suggested tri-fucking-bunals. Another very simple case of partisan bullshit -- on BOTH sides. Triple A is deader than the eight track. That is how it should be. You did not hear a fucking peep out of cowardly americans with a political bent as our boys killed Americans in the German lines during WWII. They just said kill them enough so you all can come home. There is no difference here. Except republicans and some liberals grabbing at irrelevancy for a political win.

    I really respect the fact that Obama is trying to start a conversation, remember LIBS or COnservatives didnt make this blow up, Obama's 'leaked' memo made it a headline again. He wants this conversation so we might develop some discipline and guidelines for killing our enemies with drones because eventually (like say 2025) NO Americans will go into harms way except for ground troops. I imagine by 2050 even troops will be 'automated' and involve no dying on our side. What is more it is simple ass technology, SIMPLE! so now that we have thoroughly demonstrated the tactic it will be copied. It is VITAL that we establish drone "Law Of Conflict" so we can then impose it upon the rest of humanity via the UN. Otherwise it will be a free for all.

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    Jayhawk both sides aren't missing anything. The difference between me and the resident Republicrats here is that if you present me with a vote where Democrats voted against trials for Gitmo detainees I would (and do) loudly say I don't agree with how they voted and I'm not happy they voted the way they did.

    My unhappiness with their vote wouldn't be contingent on whether or not my disagreement helped or hurt the Republican party at the moment.

    Can't say the same about our counterparts here from the other side.

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    Buzzer I could give two fucks about sides. I have been in that rabbit hole on here. Problem is we miss the forest for a thousand "your a bad poster" trees. If posters upset you don't feed them because to you they are trolls. And for the record Buzzer you say NOW that you would be upset about a tribunal vote BUT no a single solitary voice on the left was for the trials. Then they tried the same game when Obama took over so they could judiciously and effectively close GTMO. As promised. Republicans denied it because the whole GTMO smear was part of the ignorant tactics used to smear the Republican party at the end of the Bush years.

    Dont get me wrong I disagree with me decisions he made but many of the criticisms were ignorant and self defeating for this country. I would also go so far as to say the prisoners at GTMO live better lives than most of you and that's comparing their lives to the standard of living in the US not the standard in Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq or Somalia. So all we are doing by keeping that prison open politically is wasting our time, money and reputation while giving the prisoners a good life. Most of those folks will die when they go home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Buzzer I could give two fucks about sides. I have been in that rabbit hole on here. Problem is we miss the forest for a thousand "your a bad poster" trees.
    Considering you could give two fucks about sides you've gone out of your way to imply you see the big picture and the rest of us squabbling blind people don't.

    The general gist of what you said was, people are just going back and forth on this based on politics. In general that would be a true statement. What would be a false statement would be implying that the lefties around here about-face on something just because the person in charge has changed from Democrat to Republican or from Republican to Democrat. We sit here in CE&P endlessly arguing things like "Obama is not doing enough about healthcare", "Obama is killing people overseas" or whatever else coming out of the mouths of people who 50000% supported the opposite under Bush. That's the intellectual dishonesty I was commenting on.

    If you don't care about that fine-- whatever. But your post implied that both sides are doing that and that isn't true.

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    The lefties about faced on GTMO persons being tried on american soil in military tribunals until Obama was president.

    The lefties are NORMALLY the group of folks who scream bloody fucking murder if a civil right is perceived to be encroached and so would cry bloody hell if an american was killed with a drone under Bush. Consider the other drone thread in Washington. Was it the left or the right that involved the ACLU to strike down facial recognition?

    So why do lefties embrace it or at least not bother making a stink out of it? Politics. they did so during the run-up to November because it was the "I am a tough guy" defense for the President on military use.

    SO abo-fucking-lutely the left plays the same games. If you believe otherwise you are deceived. I believe in the game not the sides. Which is why i like politics. I like seeing how the game is won and lost. But to pretend one side is holy is ignorant.

    Finally, I dont think I am above it all but after a couple week hiatus it is easy to see when both sides are deep in the mud and slinging just to sling. SO I pointed it out. I suppose it musta struck a chord. Meh.
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    First when Jayhawk refers to 'lefties' above he don't Fucking Mean Lefty.

    However, the Oaks, Pines, Redwoods, Cedars and the flora/fauna does not make the difference.

    Power up eyes and ears. Transfer data to Brain PROCESS all data using Think deep mode.

    The consider activating mouth apps.

    Personally, here I stand by my earlier post and The JayHawk.

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    Someone has been reading too many Sloppy Seconds posts. Put down the bong Lefty.lol

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    Obama's policy of murdering innocent civilians and labeling everyone killing as a terrorist is nothing new. This information came out a long time ago. It actually came up during the presidential election (where Romney agreed with the policy).

    I cannot wait until the US is under attack by remote drones or anything else. Just deserts, I will say.
    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    THis has been gone over time and time again. The faux outrage is nice, this has nothing to do with civil rights... the right wing is all about some civil rights but when it comes to others... forget about it.

    And Obama's administration has done a better job at combating terrorism than the prior one. All the red herrings won't change that fact. Thanks for the nonsensical argument.
    Which is a nice way of saying I support a war criminal as long as he has the right letter after his nam
    Quote Originally Posted by FuryOfFirestorm View Post
    When GWB was bombing the crap out of civilians, Republicans just shrugged their shoulders and called it "collateral damage".

    When Obama uses drones to kill enemy targets and reduce civilian casualties to a minimum, Republicans are foaming at the mouth getting their jimmies rustled.

    I guess they still can't get over the fact that Obama had Bin Laden put down halfway through his first term, while Bush II couldn't even locate him after 2 terms.
    "B-b-b-but Bush..."

    Really, child? That is all you have? The guy who did things that were less bad (was John Walker Lyndh murdered?) is supposed to excuse "your" president murdering US citizens--including a 16 year old boy--without trial? Really? That is your best argument?

    Obama does not use drones to limit casualties. The drones are used because nations like Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia (nations which the US is not at war) refuse to allow US troops in their borders. Pakistan does not even allow drone missions. It receives messages that they will occur and the US takes a lack of denial as an granting permission.

    bin Laden was the boogedyman. His death was symbolic (and a war crime; willful killing is prohibited by international convention). Using it or any other death for political gain shows how disgusting you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Someone has been reading too many Sloppy Seconds posts. Put down the bong Lefty.lol
    Rareboy you so knowledgeable....



    Seriously if you think that is incoherent then perhaps you should pick up the bong.




    @Itsmejeff: Just so you can equally hate my american ass, I encourage our use of drones regardless of who is in office. Just like every other war fighting technology we brought to the fold over the last seventy years (well really several hundred if you count guerrilla warfare) we will be better at it. Wanna know why? Ruthlessness.

    Bemoan it all ya want. If your not here in the US... deal... if you are here well shout to the heavens sweety. Neither will change a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    we will be better at it. Wanna know why? Ruthlessness.

    Bemoan it all ya want. If your not here in the US... deal... if you are here well shout to the heavens sweety. Neither will change a thing.
    The cause of US success was distance and a lack of fighting on its shores. The US has never had its infrastructure destroyed. It never has had to rebuild an entire country.

    That will change, bro. More powerful weapons are becoming available to both nations and sub-national groups.

    This has nothing to do with ruthlessness. The US is just in a position no where it can murder without any negative consequences. Americans love killing because they feel that they will never know it. That is probably not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    @Itsmejeff: Just so you can equally hate my american ass, I encourage our use of drones regardless of who is in office. Just like every other war fighting technology we brought to the fold over the last seventy years (well really several hundred if you count guerrilla warfare) we will be better at it. Wanna know why? Ruthlessness.
    I agree with this over ground invasions virtually any day tbh. Where I would almost undoubtedly get called a hypocrite in a future Republican administration is that Republicans have a penchant for naming enemies based on which country has resources our private industry would love to get first dibs on, rather than where there is actual threat-- but my opposition would not be against attacking insane governments or terrorist cells surgically rather than wholesale invading countries, which kills far more people on both sides.

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    Thank you rareboy for that careful and unbiased review of me, my communications and cognitive skills.
    Lest we forget, thank you for the appreciation you and your DRONES (XXX & XXXX) have expressed in
    your pustules...postings. My communication skills were developed in the California
    School Systems of the 1950's to 1970's and were integrated with my real life experiences from such
    mundane things as bomb shelters, hiding under the desk in the event of attack, the Red Peril, Atomic and
    Nuclear weapons, spy planes economic warfare, warfare to better the economy, recessions, Eisenhower
    Reagan (both Gov and Pres) Nixon, Carter, Clinton (No's 1&2.) 2 generations of Bush and an Obama.

    Lived them, Lived with and through them. If you and your drones can't follow simple analogous parables
    and unbiased view points like mine or even the pics like Jayhawk so thoughtfully provided, maybe you and
    yours need to hit the Bong and sleep with Sloppy to absorb his meanings.

    Christ on a crutch, do any of these silly threads ever stay on track Drone Strikes in this case?

    Anybody out in CE&P land with enough balls ...or whatever is used these days ... to bring this thread back
    on the rails? Make it So, Lefty Out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Thanks for the partisan rhetoric... have any more nonsense to share? Or will one continue beating a dead horse?
    Partisan rhetorics, eh?

    I hate no party, child. My political views are best described as anti-American/western libertarianism.

    I do not base my acceptance of murdering people--for political gain--on party. I base in on the fact that it is illogical to murder people while claiming to be bringing democracy (a series of principles based on equality and liberty) and my view that Americans would not be so accepting of their people being killed. A school shooting was a big deal for the US. Drones that have killed some 170 children overseas? who gives a bibble?

    Can you just admit that you support a war criminal? Why is that so hard? The blood is on your hands as well. You want the death. You relish it. Why can you not admit it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsmejeff View Post
    Partisan rhetorics, eh?

    I hate no party, child. My political views are best described as anti-American/western libertarianism.

    I do not base my acceptance of murdering people--for political gain--on party. I base in on the fact that it is illogical to murder people while claiming to be bringing democracy (a series of principles based on equality and liberty) and my view that Americans would not be so accepting of their people being killed. A school shooting was a big deal for the US. Drones that have killed some 170 children overseas? who gives a bibble?

    Can you just admit that you support a war criminal? Why is that so hard? The blood is on your hands as well. You want the death. You relish it. Why can you not admit it?
    A war criminal....?

    If it had been possible for the Allies to take out the entire Nazi leadership without the carpetbombing of Dresden and Germany in general, that would have been a far worse war crime than the way the war unfolded?

    170 killed < 100,000some killed in a ground invasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    And here we go again with the pathetic insults. I am NOT a child. I will NOT be treated as one either. I have an understanding of politics that vastly outweighs some on here. In addition, the acceptance of murdering people? Take a look at what political positions that you have posted on here. And get back to me on that one. Obama isn't murdering anyone. I just love the clear and total double standards in the arguments of the right wingers on here.

    And Obama isn't a war criminal. Partisan bullshit... at best. A war criminal? Does one even realize WHAT a war criminal is? And how dare you speak to me that way. The blood is on my hands? Ask me my FUCKING VIEWPOINTS and I will be more than happy to tell them.

    I don't relish DEATH... I leave that to the war mongering CRIMINALS on the right wing who should be facing charges for all the war crimes committed under the prior administration and leaving Obama to clean up the mess. The right wing have caused such serious damage to this country's image it's almost irreparable. I feel bad for Obama really... he was left a mess the right wingers on here supported and created.
    Argue like a child, be referred to as a child. That is what I say. "b-b-b-but Bush" is a childish way of arguing. Ignoring the expansion of abusive policies by the guy you voted for is childish.

    Yeah, war crimes. Obama and company are killing people who are not a threat to the US in nations at which the US is not at war. Some of these people are US citizens who have constitutional protections. At least one of those US citizens was a 16 year old with no links to any terrorist organization. though, according to Obama's campaign advisor, his father was not "responsible" enough, so he had to die.

    There are international laws dealing with war. There are specific requirements. Killing people who are not fighting against your country is not exactly legal. And that is what the US is doing now. It is not only fighting groups that have attacked the US. It is killing people who are fighting the governments of their own countries. The UN would like to investigate, but America is not playing that game. If this program is legal, what is there to hide?

    Obama did not kill any children? Well, if you mean he was not the coward who launched the missile, then you are right. However, it is his program. And children are dying. Some are known; others are not (http://droneswatch.org/2013/01/20/li...tan-and-yemen/). The use of drones has increased dramatically under Obama. The guy who claimed that the US does not torture is now killing people who are not charged with any crime or even known to be dangerous.
    Lest you skim over that last quote, ponder its meaning. A former high-ranking official in the U.S. government is asserting that the CIA kills innocent people in other countries, counts the corpses, and reports that they're militants, even though they don't actually know who the guys are.
    And this is Obama doing this. This is his "legacy." Killing the boogedyman--according to the guy's book, that was also a war crime, but the scumbags in the US military would responsible for that one--and others is just a way to show that Obama is keeping people safe. By killing people who may possibly be bad.

    see http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...orists/257749/ and http://rt.com/usa/news/drone-strike-...asualties-604/ for more information. Take note of the publication dates of those articles.

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    You believe there is a double standard when there isn't one.

    I don't want innocent people to die at all, but even liberals all supported that we had to do something about the terrorist training camps in Afghanistan after 9/11. What I didn't support was full scale ground invasions of countries that had absolutely nothing to do with it.

    I don't want innocent people to die, but if the choice with a target we must strike (such as a terrorist training camp affiliated with a group that HAS carried out successful terrorist attacks against the U.S.) is either to invade the entire country resulting in tens or hundreds of thousands killed directly or indirectly, and surgically striking at the cells themselves, I take the latter.

    I don't suffer under any delusion that any method of war can reduce innocent casualties to 0%. That's why I believe we should only do anything at all in cases of actual necessity and not cases of political and economic expediency, as with the Iraq War.

    So no... simply saying that any method of war kills innocent people doesn't surprise me, but saying a method that kills far fewer is somehow something we should all be as outraged about as a completely needless ground invasion that resulted in the deaths of about 100,000 people and should be called a war crime by comparison is at best a stretch. At worst it's pure partisanship.

    If you want anyone to take seriously this notion that the U.S. is just willy-nilly calling anyone it doesn't like a threat and sending a drone after them then show us some instance of that instead of strikes on Al Qaeda cells that may have people of many different national backgrounds involved and telling us that's an inhumane war crime because some tiny percentage of them may be American by birth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty View Post
    Thank you rareboy for that careful and unbiased review of me, my communications and cognitive skills.
    Lest we forget, thank you for the appreciation you and your DRONES (XXX & XXXX) have expressed in
    your pustules...postings. My communication skills were developed in the California
    School Systems of the 1950's to 1970's and were integrated with my real life experiences from such
    mundane things as bomb shelters, hiding under the desk in the event of attack, the Red Peril, Atomic and
    Nuclear weapons, spy planes economic warfare, warfare to better the economy, recessions, Eisenhower
    Reagan (both Gov and Pres) Nixon, Carter, Clinton (No's 1&2.) 2 generations of Bush and an Obama.

    Lived them, Lived with and through them. If you and your drones can't follow simple analogous parables
    and unbiased view points like mine or even the pics like Jayhawk so thoughtfully provided, maybe you and
    yours need to hit the Bong and sleep with Sloppy to absorb his meanings.

    Christ on a crutch, do any of these silly threads ever stay on track Drone Strikes in this case?

    Anybody out in CE&P land with enough balls ...or whatever is used these days ... to bring this thread back
    on the rails? Make it So, Lefty Out.
    It was the purple hue of the prose and poetics that p[ut me in mind of Sloppy.

    I could'nt care less where you were educated or how long ago. It isn't relevant to the topic.

    But you and Jayhawk aren't getting any argument from me on the use of drones either. lol

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