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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Unlike the spoon-fed right wingers around here, liberals tend to form their own opinions, which means we aren't a unified block with ONE opinion on each issue. I know that's VERY confusing for conservatives, but there you have it.
    hahaha, you just said you spoke for everyone here.

    You speak only for yourself man. You have delusions of leadership and being a moderator. You'll never be a moderator here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Springer, if you're so upset with these "faceless killers" then by all means join up for the infantry and go and kill them with your bayonets. Stop being a critic and get involved. You're an armchair whiner.

    Dammit, I am so sick of you regurgitating this republican propaganda.

    I'll give you a ride to the nearest army recruiter in Raytown.
    Where have you been Bob. Enquiring minds want to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    hahaha, you just said you spoke for everyone here.

    You speak only for yourself man. You have delusions of leadership and being a moderator. You'll never be a moderator here.
    Of you want to not appear stupid, try to distinguish between talking for people and making an observation on people.
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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You didn't read the article I supplied. It illustrates how at least two innocent people and camel were killed by Obama's new drone war.
    How does the fact that "any innocent people have been killed at all", in your brain, answer a question of "does this method endanger more innocent people than airstrike, invasions, occupation and special ops activities on the ground"?

    It costs far less, endangers far fewer people and doesn't get any American military killed.

    If I were a neocon I would now say "Why do you hate America so much? Why do you want more Americans to die?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post

    How does the fact that "any innocent people have been killed at all", in your brain, answer a question of "does this method endanger more innocent people than airstrike, invasions, occupation and special ops activities on the ground"?

    It costs far less, endangers far fewer people and doesn't get any American military killed.

    If I were a neocon I would now say "Why do you hate America so much? Why do you want more Americans to die?"
    I feel like you can say it regardless. When it comes to the drone issue, Springer has flat out stated that American soldiers SHOULD die and it's a better alternative than drones.
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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You didn't read the article I supplied. It illustrates how at least two innocent people and camel were killed by Obama's new drone war.
    What is your problem? We got the fucking camel off the streets and it just so happened terrorists were hanging around with it. That's a twofer in my book. Besides, had the "innocents" been following the universal rule of "don't hang with terrorists if you're not wanting to be blown up", then they would be just fine right now, at least in terms of not being blown up by the drone.

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    "Hypocrites", Springer? Let's compare the differences:

    Obama: Uses drones to blow up a group of Al-Qaeda members. Republicans crap their pants in anger.

    GWB: Lets people rot in Gitmo for years without a right to trial based on little to no evidence of being a terrorist aside from being from the Middle East. Republicans yawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuryOfFirestorm View Post
    "Hypocrites", Springer? Let's compare the differences:

    Obama: Uses drones to blow up a group of Al-Qaeda members. Republicans crap their pants in anger.

    GWB: Lets people rot in Gitmo for years without a right to trial based on little to no evidence of being a terrorist aside from being from the Middle East. Republicans yawn.
    Get it straight -- your inconsistency is embarrassing.

    Bush arrested human beings and put them in prison and tried to get information from them to save other human beings lives.

    Obama kills who he wants ... no matter who they are ... even Americans. BANG!!! You're DEAD!!!

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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Get it straight -- your inconsistency is embarrassing.

    Bush arrested human beings and put them in prison and tried to get information from them to save other human beings lives.

    Obama kills who he wants ... no matter who they are ... even Americans. BANG!!! You're DEAD!!!
    Except he's doing it while risking far fewer casualties and far fewer American deaths than the Iraq War incurred.

    So what is your problem exactly? You had no problem with any killing, I'm 100% certain, during Bush's 8 years. Now you're MAD about less killing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    What is your problem? We got the fucking camel off the streets and it just so happened terrorists were hanging around with it. That's a twofer in my book. Besides, had the "innocents" been following the universal rule of "don't hang with terrorists if you're not wanting to be blown up", then they would be just fine right now, at least in terms of not being blown up by the drone.
    You still didn't read the article ... I know it's AWKWARD to read something in the NYT that doesn't totally agree with extreme kooky liberal ideas. But do yourself a favor and become informed.

    At least two innocent people were killed. Read the article.

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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Get it straight -- your inconsistency is embarrassing.

    Bush arrested human beings and put them in prison and tried to get information from them to save other human beings lives.

    Obama kills who he wants ... no matter who they are ... even Americans. BANG!!! You're DEAD!!!
    Are you kidding here? You must be. Obama kills people that are actively involved in either killing or trying to kill Americans, thus saving lives. You talk about the President having these huge kill numbers of Americans with roving gangs of drones. This just isn't the case. There are more people who were tortured under GWB than Americans killed by drones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Except he's doing it while risking far fewer casualties and far fewer American deaths than the Iraq War incurred.

    So what is your problem exactly? You had no problem with any killing, I'm 100% certain, during Bush's 8 years. Now you're MAD about less killing?
    You're missing the point. NO DUE PROCESS FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS.

    You would be going apeshit if any other person was President.

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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    This is incorrect. Let's address your use of Islamic terrorists first. The US goes after terrorists. The Islamic modifier is added in simply to drum up sentiment against the religion/region. Just because the majority of terrorists follow Islam doesn't mean the majority of people who follow Islam are terrorists. .

    ?
    Of all the recorded incidents of terrorist activity during the past several years, how many were perpetrated by Islamic Extremists.
    The correct answer is that the overwhelming majority of them were. Hence Islamic Terrorists.

    The West is at war with militant Islam, whether spineless liberals want to believe it or not.

    And our Kadarshian president cannot bring himself to say the words. Could that be because he is a Muslim, if not de jure, certainly de facto. In fact Mrs. Obama is on record referring to her husband's "Muslim faith."

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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You still didn't read the article ... I know it's AWKWARD to read something in the NYT that doesn't totally agree with extreme kooky liberal ideas. But do yourself a favor and become informed.

    At least two innocent people were killed. Read the article.
    I did read the article. I saw that two people who were allegedly innocent were killed when we killed a group of terrorists. You obviously missed the fact that I grasped that idea in my previous post. I'll slow it down next time. BTW, since you're big on reading articles, how many Americans were killed in the USS Cole bombing in Yemen that at least two of the people in the airstrike were connected to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I feel like you can say it regardless. When it comes to the drone issue, Springer has flat out stated that American soldiers SHOULD die and it's a better alternative than drones.
    The inconsistency is just amazing. Are you blind to the comparison?

    Torture is bad ... killing is good?

    Do you honestly believe that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Get it straight -- your inconsistency is embarrassing.

    Bush arrested human beings and put them in prison and tried to get information from them to save other human beings lives.

    Obama kills who he wants ... no matter who they are ... even Americans. BANG!!! You're DEAD!!!
    Yeah, Gitmo worked SO well...the prisoners either

    A) didn't know anything because they weren't actually terrorists.

    B) were terrorists, but kept their mouths shut

    c) were terrorists, but gave false, useless, or outdated intel.

    Torture or threat of death doesn't work on people that have nothing to lose and believe they'll be rewarded for dying for their cause.

    As for Obama, he killed people that were actually associated with terrorists . Yet you're acting like he's flying drones all over America, bombing babies and puppies. When he starts drone bombing US ciitizens that AREN'T allied with terrorists, then I'll be outraged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Of all the recorded incidents of terrorist activity during the past several years, how many were perpetrated by Islamic Extremists.
    The correct answer is that the overwhelming majority of them were. Hence Islamic Terrorists.

    The West is at war with militant Islam, whether spineless liberals want to believe it or not.

    And our Kadarshian president cannot bring himself to say the words. Could that be because he is a Muslim, if not de jure, certainly de facto. In fact Mrs. Obama is on record referring to her husband's "Muslim faith."
    You're as bad at reading comprehension as Jack Springer. I'm starting to see a trend here. According to your (il)logic, obviously all Republican-leaning individuals can't read and comprehend.

    I'll also go ahead and put it here again so you might catch it a second time.

    Just because the majority of terrorists follow Islam doesn't mean the majority of people who follow Islam are terrorists

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The inconsistency is just amazing. Are you blind to the comparison?

    Torture is bad ... killing is good?

    Do you honestly believe that?
    In war and armed conflict, yes.

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    ^^^

    You aren't serious ... are you?

    Can you say Muslim Terrorist? Obama cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuryOfFirestorm View Post
    Yeah, Gitmo worked SO well...the prisoners either

    A) didn't know anything because they weren't actually terrorists.

    B) were terrorists, but kept their mouths shut

    c) were terrorists, but gave false, useless, or outdated intel.

    Torture or threat of death doesn't work on people that have nothing to lose and believe they'll be rewarded for dying for their cause.

    As for Obama, he killed people that were actually associated with terrorists . Yet you're acting like he's flying drones all over America, bombing babies and puppies. When he starts drone bombing US ciitizens that AREN'T allied with terrorists, then I'll be outraged.
    Amazing logic. In your logic -- if we used drones to extract information from terrorists ... it would be ok.

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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    In war and armed conflict, yes.
    Wait a minute...you mean to tell me that people die during wars? Next you'll tell me that drone strikes are allowed by the Geneva Convention and torture isn't! That's almost as hard to understand that it's OK to kill known terrorists, but it's not OK to imprison people without evidence or legal counsel! Gosh! Things I learn when i'm not sucking on Obama's manly chocolate nutsack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    You're as bad at reading comprehension as Jack Springer. I'm starting to see a trend here. According to your (il)logic, obviously all Republican-leaning individuals can't read and comprehend.

    I'll also go ahead and put it here again so you might catch it a second time.

    Just because the majority of terrorists follow Islam doesn't mean the majority of people who follow Islam are terrorists
    Stop your fucking personal attacks. Discuss the subject.

    Amazing -- you cannot say Muslim terrorist.

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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You're missing the point. NO DUE PROCESS FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS.

    You would be going apeshit if any other person was President.

    lick, lick
    So wait Jack I'm failing to understand, if an American joins with an enemy military or enemy terrorist organization, we shouldn't have our guys fire at them?

    So basically, all Al Qaeda has to do is get an American at every facility and then, according to your ruleset, we should never do anything about them at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Amazing logic. In your logic -- if we used drones to extract information from terrorists ... it would be ok.
    WHUT?


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    Quote Originally Posted by FuryOfFirestorm View Post
    WHUT?

    He's stuck on this whole 'personal human touch' vs. 'drone' thing which he thinks is somehow totally changing the picture.

    And yeah, you're right, it makes utterly no sense.

    It's really simple Jack and if you aren't seeing it you're just choosing not to. If we're going to wage war on terrorists what costs a lot more of everything (including human deaths): surgical strikes or invasions, occupations and airstrikes?

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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    You aren't serious ... are you?

    Can you say Muslim Terrorist? Obama cannot.
    Go ahead.

    Can you say white supremacist Christian Terrorist?

    Go ahead.

    I dare you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    The inconsistency is just amazing. Are you blind to the comparison?

    Torture is bad ... killing is good?

    Do you honestly believe that?
    There is not a letter in the post you've quoted that refers to torture. I was pointing out that you've said before that we need to send troops and actual people to bomb and kill (and risk their lives) because, and I quote, "war has to be hard, gritty and personal. It's not supposed to be easy". So obviously you're FOR the risking and unavoidable loss of US soldiers' lives, as long as we're not using drones. Don't blame me for quoting you verbatim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Unless you're deaf, dumb, and blind, you should be well aware of the outrage expressed toward the Bush adminstration over waterboarding. Oops, forgot who I'm replying to.

    Targeting Americans for death by drone and using enhanced interrogation against terrorists are subsets of the same problem - the continued presence of Islamic Terrorists. Oops, forgot again, Barry O's administration is afraid to use the term Islamic Terrorism. More of the deaf, dumb, and blind.
    This is a one sided crockery of an argument. Deaf blind and dumb is what the right wing was during the 2012 election, and that's exactly the same sort of nonsense the right wingers on here demonstrated.

    And who are you replying to? Someone who uses some logic and reason in his argument... whereas it's void in the right wing argument. Right wingers under the Bush administration created many more terrorists... and it was up to Obama to tackle the problem. The neo-con argument often employed in this thread created terrorists. Thanks for demonstrating total and utter inconsistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Bob only sees what he wants to see. He's a very biased person.
    Pot calling the kettle black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post

    Go ahead.

    Can you say white supremacist Christianist Terrorist?

    Go ahead.

    I dare you.
    Fixed for accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    If an imminent threat exists, then you don't have to have a trial. There are even questions about his actual citizenship since he verbally renounced it.
    the problem is, how do you define imminent threat? based on the released memo, it seems like the Executive branch has given itself the authority to declare pretty much anyone an imminent threat for any vague reason. that's the crux of the arguments that most liberals seem to be bringing against this (see: Maddow, NY Times, Washington Post, etc)

    The condition that an operational leader present an ‘imminent’ threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future,” the memo states...

    But in the new white paper, the Obama administration isn’t just laying waste to that most basic of ideas — it is going further and insisting that even within the extra-constitutional “kill list” deliberations inside the White House, the president doesn’t actually need evidence to order someone’s death.
    http://www.salon.com/2013/02/05/who_...mas_kill_list/

    Like I said, the Supreme Court can rule on his death - if he were to come back from the dead to challenge the government.
    a case was brought up by his family and the ACLU... it was dismissed under the "political question doctrine," basically meaning that it's up to Congress to do something (or do nothing and let the next President continue on with the assassinations without trials or evidence)

    I hope that the President eventually comes around and follows his own suggestions...

    One of the things we've got to do is put a legal architecture in place, and we need Congressional help in order to do that, to make sure that not only am I reined in but any president's reined in terms of some of the decisions that we're making
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You didn't read the article I supplied. It illustrates how at least two innocent people and camel were killed by Obama's new drone war.

    - - - Updated - - -



    Bob only sees what he wants to see. He's a very biased person.
    OMFG.....LOL! The coffee almost blew out my nose.

    You're the most biased person I've ever seen.

    C'mon Springer..... why don't you join up and fight the enemy with your bayonet? They'll be able to see your handsome face.

    Are you chicken?


    Thought so......

    So just sit there on your computer in your little room whining about the President. Big tough man.....

    You've really made a fool of yourself in this thread but that's typical for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    the problem is, how do you define imminent threat? based on the released memo, it seems like the Executive branch has given itself the authority to declare pretty much anyone an imminent threat for any vague reason. that's the crux of the arguments that most liberals seem to be bringing against this (see: Maddow, NY Times, Washington Post, etc)



    http://www.salon.com/2013/02/05/who_...mas_kill_list/



    a case was brought up by his family and the ACLU... it was dismissed under the "political question doctrine," basically meaning that it's up to Congress to do something (or do nothing and let the next President continue on with the assassinations without trials or evidence)

    I hope that the President eventually comes around and follows his own suggestions...



    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...nterview-pt--1
    Loki, when you talk about "bringing to trial" you're suggesting that these people working in Al Qaeda cells are guilty of misdemeanors or something. They're people attemping to carry out terrorist attacks against the U.S. and its embassies and its forces overseas.

    Please, get some perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Obama has gone far past anything that the Patriot Act provided. Bush received holy hell from the media and the left for limited wiretaps -- Obama can wiretap anything he wants now -- the media was quiet.

    Obama can target American citizens and the left still kisses his left ball.

    I'll use the word again to describe the left --- HYPOCRITE
    I didn't think the Patriot Act was a good thing then. I still don't. This new encroachment on the Constitution doesn't surprise me at all.

    Saying left hypocrite is a redundancy. Saying left kissass is a redundancy as well. Aren't his balls in Michele's back pocket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I didn't think the Patriot Act was a good thing then. I still don't. This new encroachment on the Constitution doesn't surprise me at all.

    Saying left hypocrite is a redundancy. Saying left kissass is a redundancy as well. Aren't his balls in Michele's back pocket?
    Why don't you guys just create a thread entitled "I hate Obama and I'm really fucking angry he's still President" and just keep it all there? This crap poisons every single discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Why don't you guys just create a thread entitled "I hate Obama and I'm really fucking angry he's still President" and just keep it all there? This crap poisons every single discussion.

    You guys do not have discussions. You have circlejerks spouting facts and figures from the same handful of sources which all have an agenda thus no veracity. I won't make another comment.

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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    GWB was a less than perfect president, but people go to the point of being stupid in demonizing him. He did have redeeming qualities. He expressed genuine concern over global warming, and they even have a private residence that is designed to be green-friendly. Also, although I would have liked for him to have more liberal positions on gay rights issues, he did stand up for gay people against "kicking gay people" and using gay people as a political scapegoat. Although I have serious misgivings about GWB, he is not the devil incarnate bastard he is made out to be.

    And I have found most of the grounds on which people have tried to slag Obama to be at best dubious, at worst outright lies. Economists who once criticized his stimulus package now acknowledge that it was effective. His health care act has actually succeeded in reducing the proportion of Americans living without health insurance, even before having been fully implemented, and this is no surprise because it was modeled after a program that actually worked pretty well in one of our states. He has been a good president, and he has served this country well.

    Now, as far as "Obama killing US citizens," I assume you are talking about Awlaki. Awlaki was a terrorist and a criminal, and thank God he is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    You guys do not have discussions. You have circlejerks spouting facts and figures from the same handful of sources which all have an agenda thus no veracity. I won't make another comment.
    Good. Go.

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    As a less than active member of this forum, I get more and more confused every time I stumble in here.

    When an American citizen joins forces with anti-american forces (terrorists are a good example.) they have
    abrogated their rights as an American Citizen. And there is a PERIOD at the end of that sentence.
    I am amazed this needs to be spelled out even for some twits here.

    I am older than most of you, half the time you can't even understand me because I am not simplistic enough
    for you to do a 2second recon and go on. Okay, bottom line...use your inner eye to visualize...

    Place # is rigid, inflexible and secular and has been running their world since before God and running it their way.
    Place @ is about 2-300 years old, has welcomed, fed, aided and protected a number of Place #'s for years. Some
    of those places frequently invite Place@ to help them

    Following so far? Those dissidents in Place # don't like not Controlling everything even more than Place @ likes
    playing Nanny to Gaea. (hard to believe...oops JMPO)

    If you were a member of my group and jumped ship trying to overtake me and mine, you are not a member of my
    group and I don't give a fuck how you get taken down...your collateral damage is a problem for you and your new
    allegiance. ...for fuck sake boys and girls,the issue isn't Obama or Bush or those individuals (whose names I can't
    pronounce spell or more than half way remember.)

    Drones or troop or missiles or active sanctions, what ever works. America needs to remember it is supposed to be
    an amalgam of the worlds people, learning at one village, slowly and painfully aspiring to a better place for all. Just
    curious, how many here are talking out of life experience and how many are talking out of books? How many are just
    talking? These are just my personal thoughts...not meant to attack or insult anyone

    I have to leave now before theforum stoning begins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    You guys do not have discussions. You have circlejerks spouting facts and figures from the same handful of sources which all have an agenda thus no veracity. I won't make another comment.
    Stop using fancy words. If one doesn't want to hear about the facts or evidence from a variety of credible sources, then leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Stop your fucking personal attacks. Discuss the subject.

    Amazing -- you cannot say Muslim terrorist.
    Why is it ok for you to personally attack Muslims by equating them to terrorists then? And yes, I can say Muslim terrorist, but I won't since the two are independent characterizations.

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    the problem is, how do you define imminent threat? based on the released memo, it seems like the Executive branch has given itself the authority to declare pretty much anyone an imminent threat for any vague reason. that's the crux of the arguments that most liberals seem to be bringing against this (see: Maddow, NY Times, Washington Post, etc)
    I would say that a person who has sided with the enemy and has links to a laundry list of terrorist attacks or attempted attacks is an imminent threat, meaning if the threat is not neutralized, the attacks will just keep coming. Again, I don't get how people are equating the idea of an American walking out of a Taco Bell and being drone bombed to a person who renounced his citizenship, sided with the enemy, and conspired to kill American citizens. You can't run off and coordinate attacks on Americans from what you consider to be a safe haven country and do so with impunity by hiding behind the fact that you consider yourself an American citizen ONLY for the purposes of evading punishment for your crimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    a case was brought up by his family and the ACLU... it was dismissed under the "political question doctrine," basically meaning that it's up to Congress to do something (or do nothing and let the next President continue on with the assassinations without trials or evidence)
    Incorrect. The case was dismissed because his family and the ACLU did not have legal standing to bring a case against the government. The guy was an adult and did not sign over power of attorney to either his parents or the ACLU, thus they have no legal jurisdiction to file a case on his behalf. He had ample opportunity to catch the earliest flight from Yemen to fight the charges himself or call up mommy and daddy and give them power of attorney since he was busy off being a terrorist. He did neither and thus missed his opportunity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I didn't think the Patriot Act was a good thing then. I still don't. This new encroachment on the Constitution doesn't surprise me at all.
    So what part of the current Patriot Act don't you like? Please be specific. You quoted a complete mischaracterization/misinterpretation of it, so I would like to hear what you actually think it does to trample on the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Smith View Post
    GWB was a less than perfect president, but people go to the point of being stupid in demonizing him. He did have redeeming qualities. He expressed genuine concern over global warming, and they even have a private residence that is designed to be green-friendly. Also, although I would have liked for him to have more liberal positions on gay rights issues, he did stand up for gay people against "kicking gay people" and using gay people as a political scapegoat. Although I have serious misgivings about GWB, he is not the devil incarnate bastard he is made out to be.

    And I have found most of the grounds on which people have tried to slag Obama to be at best dubious, at worst outright lies. Economists who once criticized his stimulus package now acknowledge that it was effective. His health care act has actually succeeded in reducing the proportion of Americans living without health insurance, even before having been fully implemented, and this is no surprise because it was modeled after a program that actually worked pretty well in one of our states. He has been a good president, and he has served this country well.

    Now, as far as "Obama killing US citizens," I assume you are talking about Awlaki. Awlaki was a terrorist and a criminal, and thank God he is dead.
    Agreed on all counts. I didn't like how GWB ran things, but I didn't harbor hate towards him. He also seemed like he was trying to do what he thought was best for America.

    As for Obama, there's a vast difference between making a valid criticism and heaping made-up bullshit on him. Some people on here (they know who they are) keep repeatedly harping on Obama about stupid inconsequential things (like using the flag on his campaign buttons), blame him for things he has no control or influence over (like Jeeps being made in China), or get their panties all knotted up when Obama does the same thing previous Presidents did. Even worse, when they do have something approaching an actual critique, it's usually a thinly veiled personal attack "supported" by "facts" from grossly biased sources like Fox News, World Net Daily and Breitbart.com.

    As for Awlaki, his son died because he was willingly and knowingly associating with known terrorists in a country known to be a hotbed of terrorist activity. He wasn't a 6 year old boy being dragged to Yemen by his father. He was a 16 year old that sought out his father, knowing that he was working with Al-Qaeda. You lie down with dogs, you're going to get fleas. Just because he was an American citizen doesn't give him a free pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post

    You guys do not have discussions. You have circlejerks spouting facts and figures from the same handful of sources which all have an agenda thus no veracity. I won't make another comment.
    One has to wonder then, why do you bother coming here at all, if the level fails to meet your high standards? And I know you have a good 15-20 years on me, so the question becomes even more peculiar... You argue like a 17-year old, but maybe that's just lack of proficiency with the new types of online communication? I know it's hard on the older generations...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    GWB might not have been a demon, but he ran his 2004 campaign on the back of homophobia. Nuff said.
    Yeah. That is very much the fault of thinkers like Rove, who followed the "energize your base" philosophy of campaign politics. It may be effective in the short-term for winning an election, but it created the monster that is the Tea Party. GWB came out later complaining about the Tea Party's "nativism." Well, behold your Frankensteinian Monster, President George. What good is winning an election, to have a chance to serve your country, if you start it down the path to civil war in the process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I didn't think the Patriot Act was a good thing then. I still don't. This new encroachment on the Constitution doesn't surprise me at all.

    Saying left hypocrite is a redundancy. Saying left kissass is a redundancy as well. Aren't his balls in Michele's back pocket?
    Since Hillary is gone ... Obama will have to find a new source for his balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Since Hillary is gone ... Obama will have to find a new source for his balls.
    Aw desperate times call for desperate measures? Especially after the November slapdown. Obama has his balls... does the right wing have any left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    Since Hillary is gone ... Obama will have to find a new source for his balls.
    Whine whine whine. He's still gonna stay president until Hilary replaces him in 2016 How that must chafe!
    Last edited by Rolyo85; February 8th, 2013 at 01:53 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Since Hillary is gone ... Obama will have to find a new source for his balls.
    If this is the best you can do why do you bother to post?

    President Obama will be President for another 4 years Springer. Accept it and move on.

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    4 more years.

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    Re: Drone Strikes: Obama's Secret War

    When did republicans start caring so much about the lives of people other than their paying constituents? Let alone people from other countries? Oh right, they started caring when Obama won. I guess they finally realized absolutely and publicly refusin to work with the President wasn't working for their approval ratings. Time for a new tactic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    When did republicans start caring so much about the lives of people other than their paying constituents? Let alone people from other countries? Oh right, they started caring when Obama won. I guess they finally realized absolutely and publicly refusin to work with the President wasn't working for their approval ratings. Time for a new tactic.
    maybe I'm not reading the right newspapers, but I've heard very little about the drone strikes from conservative sources... most of the stuff I've read criticizing the Obama admin over this has been from liberals.

    I did read one op-ed supporting the no-due-process drone strikes in the Washington Post, but (surprise) it was written by someone from the Bush administration.

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