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    Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom




    The owner of a bakery in Gresham, Oregon is at the center of a state investigation after he refused to make a cake for a same-sex couple.


    One of the brides-to-be filed a complaint against Aaron Klein and Sweet Cakes on January 28, claiming that Klein denied them their cake and called them “abominations unto the Lord.”
    Klein denied using that particular language but admitted to refusing to serve the couple, citing his Constitutional right to freedom of religion.



    I apologized for wasting their time and said we don’t do same-sex marriages,” Klein told KATU. “I honestly did not mean to hurt anybody, didn’t mean to make anybody upset, (it’s) just something I believe in very strongly.”


    His actions, however, violate Oregon’s 2007 Equality Act, which prohibits discrimination against people based on their sexual orientation and gender identity.
    “Statutes don’t get to overcome constitutional protections,” said Portland attorney Paula Barran, “so if somebody had a religious-based reason for wanting not to trade with somebody, I think you have a really interesting test case for whether or not a statute like this can apply.”



    Ultimately, the case will be decided by a judge, but either way, Klein stands by his decision. “If I have to be… penalized for my beliefs, then I guess, well, that’ll be what it is,” he said.

    Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/baker-gay-cou...#ixzz2JxhTiqnT






    Like the good sisters in the comment section of Queerty purposed, is this man allowed to not make cakes for Jews or atheists?


    Can someone inform me what will be different about this cake he is making than any other one he has done? He will use flour, frosting, batter, and eggs. What's changed?


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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    They can't delete the public reviews on YELP! http://www.yelp.com/biz/sweet-cakes-...bQxmQH2Iv2Ew-w

    Please write a review as well.

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    Um they can delete public reviews on yelp... I had a review on Chick-Fil-A deleted because it was more attacking their crap stances. And I'm a Yelp Elite member (been so for 2012, and 2013).

    As far as this baker... my advice would be to the couple to find a different baker that is supportive of gay couples. Taking him to court is pretty much a waste of time. If he did break some law by discriminating... perhaps a case could be made but that would be up to the state.

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    It's going to be an interesting case but like anything with law, 2 judges will have 3 opinions. 1st amendment right to religious freedom v. equal protection debate. I'm sure there are people from all main religions that would want to deny services to same sex weddings based on religious beliefs.
    I'm amazed how people have the time and money to pursue such cases in courts which take years and if a lawyer is not volunteering his services, it's damn costly!

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by LikeAPrayer89 View Post
    They can't delete the public reviews on YELP! http://www.yelp.com/biz/sweet-cakes-...bQxmQH2Iv2Ew-w

    Please write a review as well.


    Lemme get in there







    Nnnnnnnnnnnnffffff



    They are DRAGGING


    Apparently Yelp has this business mis-categorized- For some reason it is listed as a 'Bakery'? It seems to be a church.

    On a trip to Oregon over the summer, my wife and I stopped here with family and bought some cupcakes for a family picnic.

    Had I known they were cupcakes filled with hate cream I would have never eaten that dry cupcake.

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    he probably did the couple a favor. i bet his cakes taste like shit anyway. he looks like he fondles around with the ingredients anyway. dirty motherfucker.
    one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    ^^ Sounds like a good Yelp review to me



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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    Ridiculous. Their cake probably tastes bad anyways.

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    Looking at their reviews wow... I guess yelp let most of them stay. Yelp is something people often use and they do searches by star ratings only (for example looking up places with 4+ stars)... so they f-ked up their business as it is, when it comes to PR.

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    Here are a couple of things about this that I just felt I should chime in on.

    Firely, this guy is a fucking cake baker, not a fucking priest. There is nothing in the bible about not filling cakes with buttercream because those who serve it are gay. WTF is that? Secondly, their website has a section for "All occasion cakes" -- couldn't they just order one of those and have it decorated like a wedding cake, (potential loophole??) :-D (Satire). Thirdly, this guy is a fucking wedding cake maker and works in a bakery with pink walls, tell me he hasn't or doesn't take it inthe pooper.. Just saying.

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    Actually, I should add, I don't believe that any business should ever be forced, by the law to provice service if they don't want to, unless it is for health or safety. They could always go somewhere else. I actually agree with his right to deny services.

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    And watch as this guy's revenue stream shrivels.

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    He has a right to refuse service.
    And Portland has a right to stop going there.
    Which I think they will.

    This same thing happened in Colorado. I don't think the bakery is open anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    He has a right to refuse service.
    And Portland has a right to stop going there.
    Which I think they will.

    This same thing happened in Colorado. I don't think the bakery is open anymore.

    Lex
    I agree. But thatwasa decision he made, and when he comes with a public,"I'M SO SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN IT, OF COURSE I WILL MAKE A CAKE FOR YOU, AND, FOR FREE!!" I will call him a moron.

    And accordingto what it's looking, he may not have the right to deny service based on sexual orientationi or sexual identity.

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    I feel anyone has the right to refuse business to anyone, its part of life. Is it discrimination sure, is it wrong yes. Though I can't help but feel for the guy whose business is in jeopardy over this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZmercTheDuke View Post
    I feel anyone has the right to refuse business to anyone, its part of life. Is it discrimination sure, is it wrong yes. Though I can't help but feel for the guy whose business is in jeopardy over this.
    Or the Crazies will flock there in support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZmercTheDuke View Post
    I feel anyone has the right to refuse business to anyone, its part of life. Is it discrimination sure, is it wrong yes. Though I can't help but feel for the guy whose business is in jeopardy over this.
    No one disputes it's a right. It's the right of a business owner to advertise that they use as much environmentally-harmful products as they possibly can, too. And I'll opt to not go there and so will many others.

    Why would you feel bad for the owner? He's making a controversy when his job is to make and sell cakes, not try to be a moral or social engineer. He totally brought any loss in sales on himself.

    Right to do something =/= shield from criticism.

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    So he doesn't make cakes for cakes.



    Lemme go write a review, tho.
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    He is an idiot.
    He will loose customers and then don't complain about hard times due to no business



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    What book of the Bible is "Thou shall not created baked goods for homosexuals" in? Leviticus? Numbers?

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    You know what's an abomination unto the lord? That necklace the reporter in the black sweater is wearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    he probably did the couple a favor. i bet his cakes taste like shit anyway. he looks like he fondles around with the ingredients anyway. dirty motherfucker.
    Childish - move on. He is not the "Last Cake Baker"....

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    What disturbs me most is the fact that, were the roles reversed and a gay-owned shop refused him service because of his religious beliefs, there would be a lawsuit and he would win. Of that there is no doubt in my mind.

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    You have the right to deny business on 'JUST' grounds. Discrimination is not just grounds. Hiding behind religious freedom in order to discrimiante is an abuse of liberty. A religious imposition. Simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    You have the right to deny business on 'JUST' grounds. Discrimination is not just grounds. Hiding behind religious freedom in order to discrimiante is an abuse of liberty. A religious imposition. Simple as that.
    Always hypocrites, too. I have to imagine he's served cakes to plenty of adulterers. And atheists.

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    I always go to gay owned business when I can

    support our community and ignore the bigots they will go away.
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    Oh.My.God




    THEY REMOVED THE REVIEWS GO LOOK IT USE TO BE 2 STARS WITH 302 REVIEWS.



    I will NAWT stand for this








    That cock sucking bible slinging boy fucking ass lover will be TAKEN DOWN



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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalFudge View Post
    Oh.My.God




    THEY REMOVED THE REVIEWS GO LOOK IT USE TO BE 2 STARS WITH 302 REVIEWS.



    I will NAWT stand for this








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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    What disturbs me most is the fact that, were the roles reversed and a gay-owned shop refused him service because of his religious beliefs, there would be a lawsuit and he would win. Of that there is no doubt in my mind.
    No gay-owned shop would refuse service. They'd give him that look, and throw shade like a parasol convention once he left the shop, but they wouldn't refuse service.

    Besides, who needs cake when we have fudge?

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    Last edited by G-Lexington; February 4th, 2013 at 04:16 PM.

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    Does anyone else feel that these two ladies deliberatly went to this bakery, knowing full damn well what the answer will be? I hope this man can stay in business, and it such a shame that those ladies will put couple through so much trouble, when they could have just gone to another bakery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Does anyone else feel that these two ladies deliberatly went to this bakery, knowing full damn well what the answer will be? I hope this man can stay in business, and it such a shame that those ladies will put couple through so much trouble, when they could have just gone to another bakery.
    So what if they did?

    Rosa Parks knew what she was doing too. WHat's your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    when they could have just gone to another bakery.
    Sounds reminiscent of the old days of drinking from a different fountain don't you think?

    Stop trying to defend the indefensible.

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    His right to believe what he wants and his right as a private business owner to refuse service to ANYONE he chooses. A precedent of preference or "serve" all can't be set. It would open up the doors to a lot of bad things.

    No, that he is free to do so doesn't make it right, and he is wrong in his actions - but it's his choice and right to make. Government nor law has any place stepping in to regulate privately owned businesses and telling a business owner who they can or can not serve, under any circumstance. Allow this and they'll be in your home next, telling you who you can and can not have sex with, live with, etc. Sorry, but this "discrimination" law is not applicable in cases like this, in my opinion. I don't care if you agree or disagree. I'm right, you're wrong. Period. (see, I can play that game too)

    He's probably a closet case himself, and, by his Christian religion, he's not displaying "Christian" values in his denying service to this gay couple, so that also makes him a hypocrite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattClaimer View Post
    His right to believe what he wants and his right as a private business owner to refuse service to ANYONE he chooses. A precedent of preference or "serve" all can't be set. It would open up the doors to a lot of bad things.

    No, that he is free to do so doesn't make it right, and he is wrong in his actions - but it's his choice and right to make. Government nor law has any place stepping in to regulate privately owned businesses and telling a business owner who they can or can not serve, under any circumstance. Allow this and they'll be in your home next, telling you who you can and can not have sex with, live with, etc. Sorry, but this "discrimination" law is not applicable in cases like this, in my opinion. I don't care if you agree or disagree. I'm right, you're wrong. Period. (see, I can play that game too)

    He's probably a closet case himself, and, by his Christian religion, he's not displaying "Christian" values in his denying service to this gay couple, so that also makes him a hypocrite.
    I don't really get why his rights are coming up so often. Is anyone discussing a government slap? The market is going to slap this guy, just like they slapped Chik-Fil-A and Papa Johns. The owner's rights don't protect him from the repercussions of bring a bigoted prick and letting his bigoted attitude affect the service he is providing and who he will provide it to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Does anyone else feel that these two ladies deliberatly went to this bakery, knowing full damn well what the answer will be? I hope this man can stay in business, and it such a shame that those ladies will put couple through so much trouble, when they could have just gone to another bakery.
    No.
    You are making stuff up !!!

    On the video, he clearly made his views clear about his religious freedom and the first amendment.
    He should be a preacher not a baker. A baker doesn't discriminate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    So what if they did?

    Rosa Parks knew what she was doing too. WHat's your point?
    Stop trying to use race, as to what these two females did. There's a gay friendly bake shop in Oregon, they could have taken their money, and went to there instead of forcing someone to make them a cake, and sue them to the point, where their family,lives, and their well being are at stake, all because they refuse. IT seems like it's getting to the point if someone has an opposing view point against they will force themselves on that person. Who knows maybe in the near future if, a straight person refuses to date a gay person, that straight would be called homophobic, all because that person said no. They wanted to hurt this couple for some unknown reason. They know full damn well they could have taken their asses to a gay bakery. They have one in Oregon,btw. Click on the link below.

    http://www.gayfriendlybiz.com/Oregon.../32792-15.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    Sounds reminiscent of the old days of drinking from a different fountain don't you think?

    Stop trying to defend the indefensible.
    Please it's very insulting when a gay white person try to compare their struggles, and the hardships that blacks went through, and will continue to go through to their struggle. Believe it or not there are racist white men, and women among the LBGT community. So no. what the blacks went through, cannot and will not ever be comparable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Stop trying to use race, as to what these two females did. There's a gay friendly bake shop in Oregon, they could have taken their money, and went to there instead of forcing someone to make them a cake,
    It's exactly the same thing as racial segregation. Look, there's colored sections and white sections. Why the coloreds trying to get uppity and force people who don't want to serve them or sit next to them to have to.

    You're just trolling. As usual. No one can be this thick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Stop trying to use race
    Rosa Parks could have been any colour of the spectrum. She did what she did to make a statement against discrimination. You're the one who's making it about 'race'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Please it's very insulting when a gay white person try to compare their struggles, and the hardships that blacks went through, and will continue to go through to their struggle. Believe it or not there are racist white men, and women among the LBGT community. So no. what the blacks went through, cannot and will not ever be comparable.
    I am not suggesting comparability though, i'm suggesting similarity. The mentality is no different.

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Stop trying to use race, as to what these two females did. There's a gay friendly bake shop in Oregon, they could have taken their money, and went to there instead of forcing someone to make them a cake, and sue them to the point, where their family,lives, and their well being are at stake, all because they refuse. IT seems like it's getting to the point if someone has an opposing view point against they will force themselves on that person. Who knows maybe in the near future if, a straight person refuses to date a gay person, that straight would be called homophobic, all because that person said no. They wanted to hurt this couple for some unknown reason. They know full damn well they could have taken their asses to a gay bakery. They have one in Oregon,btw. Click on the link below.

    http://www.gayfriendlybiz.com/Oregon.../32792-15.html
    Race is the same situation. Not stopping when the comment is accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Please it's very insulting when a gay white person try to compare their struggles, and the hardships that blacks went through, and will continue to go through to their struggle. Believe it or not there are racist white men, and women among the LBGT community. So no. what the blacks went through, cannot and will not ever be comparable.
    And there are homophobic black people. Even homophobic gay black people. Meh.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    I don't really get why his rights are coming up so often. Is anyone discussing a government slap? The market is going to slap this guy, just like they slapped Chik-Fil-A and Papa Johns. The owner's rights don't protect him from the repercussions of bring a bigoted prick and letting his bigoted attitude affect the service he is providing and who he will provide it to.
    It's just that typical au-contrarian attitude some here take. Chick-Fil-A and Papa Johns got damaged in the business sense, as will this business. I doubt they even take any lawsuit.

    And yes, Matt Claimer is absolutely wrong. There are laws that regulate privately owned businesses... I am not a business owner but in this case... using Claimer's weak argument, does that mean the health department has no right to intervene if there is a complaint with food safety? After all that's a regulation into a private business. Nope. There are tons of regulations on private businesses in this country... including safety and regulatory codes, environmental impact surveys (this is a big one), hiring restrictions/minimum wage laws, etc.

    The government has complete right in regulating the private sector. And I see Matt resorted to a strawman argument "if we allow this, then B will happen!!!". Absolute silliness. People use that same argument against same sex marriage... "if we allow gay marriage, then people will start marrying their pets, dead sisters, etc".

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    ...He should be a preacher not a baker. A baker doesn't discriminate.
    Yeah; he should be a waitress to serve table on preachers!
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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    Yeah my long story short would be, you have the right to say you only want to serve straight white Christian men, but that's an idiotic business strategy, and your business will suffer and attract controversy accordingly. No sympathy for the owner. Only a horrible businessperson would alienate potential customers by mass advertising his own personal bigotry in how he provides his service to the public. And the market would/should slap him accordingly, and that's a good thing, and not an infringement of his rights, but a consequence of his stupidity and poor business sense.

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    Re: Baker Denies Gay Couple Wedding Cake, Cites Religious Freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Please it's very insulting when a gay white person try to compare their struggles, and the hardships that blacks went through, and will continue to go through to their struggle. Believe it or not there are racist white men, and women among the LBGT community. So no. what the blacks went through, cannot and will not ever be comparable.
    Baloney. It's absolutely comparable. Coretta Scott King (rest in peace) absolutely said it was the same thing and was a major advocate for LGBT rights. Stop trolling. And not all gay people are white, so again stop trolling. Some on this forum are gay Latinos, gay blacks, etc.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin - Oh and be sure to look up Bayard Rustin... please. One of Martin Luther King's closest colleagues.

    And as an addendum to my previous post on regulations there are anti-discriminatory laws based on protecting those of race and gender (females) that apply to private business. So why can't that cover sexual orientation?

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    I'm all for first amendment rights and people should be able to say what they want to. However, to be immune from backlash on what you may say is not which is something the "Christian" community has yet to learn.

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    Rosa Parks could have been any colour of the spectrum. She did what she did to make a statement against discrimination. You're the one who's making it about 'race'.
    Dude are you fucking serious? Or are you just dumb ass hell?

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    I wonder if he does wedding cakes for divorced men who remarry? Didn't Jesus say (Mark 10:11)....
    “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her." Would he refuse a wedding cake for these folks or is wedding cake for "adultery" ok but wedding cake that helps same sex marriage the only bad cake to make? I mean what if one of couple is converting from Christianity to something else in order to get married? Is that a cake he would make? Does he check first? I mean he must not have a lot of time to bake with all the detail he needs to keep it all correct. While I think this is all pretty ridiculous, where does this kind of discrimination end?

    I fully understand a person's right to refuse to "cooperate with wrong doing" - but there is a formal vs. material cooperation that should be taught to these righteous bakers and others. The cake is not essential to getting married, it's not intrinsic to the process. He's not the preacher, nor is he either of the potential spouses. He's simply the baker! Living in a secular civil society and being religious does require one to understand this stuff. If one is going to use their religious tenets to be "discriminating" so as not to "aid" what they believe to be wrong, then they should understand a little moral theology!Baking the cake has nothing to do with approving of or disapproving of same sex marriage --it's simply.....baking a cake. While it can be a moral statement if it's intended to be, intrinsically it would seem morally neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Dude are you fucking serious? Or are you just dumb ass hell?
    Yes we're totally serious, are you?

    Rosa Parks was an activist. She'd been arrested before. Her getting on the bus and sitting in the section reserved for whites was a calculated, planned move. Why didn't she just sit in the back where coloreds were allowed? That would be your argument.

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    Dude are you fucking serious? Or are you just dumb ass hell?
    Ah yes resort to pathetic insults when ones own argument is based on a pile of horse manure.

    "I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people. ... But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.' I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream, to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people." - Coretta Scott King

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