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    RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    Former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, who completed many dangerous tours overseas and wrote the book "American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in US Military History," was murdered today at a gun shooting range near his home in Texas. He was 35.

    Chris Kyle & his friend were murdered by a guest, Eddie Routh, a veteran who apparently had PTSD. Chris was trying to help the veteran fight his inner demons on the shooting range, when he took his gun and shot & killed Chris & his friend instead.

    This is very sad RIP. Prayers & thoughts to his family & friends...

    http://news.yahoo.com/man-charged-fa...150201265.html

    Btw, he was handsome.

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    Very sad indeed

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    yeah, the recurring mistakes and horror of moron chicken hawk GWBush--will keep haunting us forever---

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    Well...at least he died the way doing something he loved.

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    More Americans killed by American gunmen in America than in the 2 wars.
    Should there be a body count with names like this for gun victims?



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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    I just turned on the news and heard of it. A very sad day for America. ABC News reported there are 70,000 men and I suppose women with PTSD. As far as I know there is literally no cure for it. They have to find a cure or control it before any more killed and suicides.
    Please pray for the dead and also pray for the shooter. It is not his fault for this tragedy. The military Veterans are not being taken care of like they should after going through these wars that Bush started. McCain also voted against Veteran medical needs at one time.
    It is becoming like the Vietnam war altho no one is comparing them. I was lucky that Congress finally got it together and passed laws to take care of Vietnam Vets. The same needs to be done for these wars also.
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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    ^ Yep.

    PTSD is a case-by-case basis which is why health persons are subjective to treating it. It's quite the umbrella term for other serious problems [Catatonia, the precursor to PTSD, is no longer in the DSM and like my roomie who is influencing this post ATM, shouldn't be in the DSM either]. PTSD is one of those "buzz phrases" that discriminates like to throw around because of the first sentence. PTSD is thrown around far too much and there should be better assimilation back into civilian life for military folk.

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    Well, according to CNN, former Navy SEAL Chief Chris Kyle was not a fan of President Obama and strongly was against gun control. (but to be fair, this guy was from Texas....)

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03/justic...led/index.html

    Here is an interview with Chris Kyle, only from 2 weeks ago. It's a little ironic that he would be gunned down, especially after he just spoke out against gun control.

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    The ignorance of it all is what gets me. Starts out "I don't know what it means but I know he is against it". Ignorant statement. None of his friends seen the movie but " they heard" it was pro Obama so they won't watch it, again ignorance. Taking a man suffering from post traumatic stress to a gun range and giving access to a gun... Ignorant. At least they can say he died doing what he loved and instead of taking his gun from his cold dead hands, how about we bury him with it, that's one less gun in the world. RIP and honesty thanks for your service to this country.
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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    He killed 150-plus. Those people also have faces.

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/w...per-shot-dead/


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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Well, according to CNN, former Navy SEAL Chief Chris Kyle was not a fan of President Obama and strongly was against gun control. (but to be fair, this guy was from Texas....)

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03/justic...led/index.html

    Here is an interview with Chris Kyle, only from 2 weeks ago. It's a little ironic that he would be gunned down, especially after he just spoke out against gun control.

    Oh he support more guns. No sympathy for him !!!


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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    I reminded by the Biblical passage, "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword."
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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Well, according to CNN, former Navy SEAL Chief Chris Kyle was not a fan of President Obama and strongly was against gun control. (but to be fair, this guy was from Texas....)

    Here is an interview with Chris Kyle, only from 2 weeks ago. It's a little ironic that he would be gunned down, especially after he just spoke out against gun control.
    Irony as a word has many shades of meaning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxford
    A condition of affairs or events of a character opposite to what was, or might naturally be, expected.
    In that sense, there is no irony; his death was just another statistic on the probability curve of the gun culture he was advocating. Guns in war are a legitimate necessity. Guns in domestic everyday situations lead predictably to outcomes like this. He evidently couldn't tell the difference.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justdra View Post
    The ignorance of it all is what gets me. Starts out "I don't know what it means but I know he is against it". Ignorant statement. None of his friends seen the movie but " they heard" it was pro Obama so they won't watch it, again ignorance. Taking a man suffering from post traumatic stress to a gun range and giving access to a gun... Ignorant. At least they can say he died doing what he loved and instead of taking his gun from his cold dead hands, how about we bury him with it, that's one less gun in the world. RIP and honesty thanks for your service to this country.
    This is exactly the problem here. And yea, that video demonstrates his ignorance. It was reckless behavior that led to this...

    I'm sorry but I don't feel any sympathy. And I'm just being honest.

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    Tragic... taking a man clearly out of his mind onto a shooting range as an aid?

    That's the blind/deaf/dumb stumbling onto an obsticle course.

    True, war is hell.

    It need not be this way, but it's so hard to make it better, rationally/whole-heartedly/humanely -- TRY FOR BETTER


    This is insane. Eddie Routh is insane. We must do better, or all will fall... all will become the dystopian vision which has been feared for ages -- WE MUST NOT, WE MUST DO BETTER.

    BETTER = GOOD, for humanity.

    Better is sustainable. Better is obtainable. Better is realistic. Better is all we can honestly strive toward.

    PERFECT = FUCKING MORON
    PERFECT = FUCKING DELUSIONAL
    PERFECT = NO HOPE
    PERFECT = NO FUTURE
    PERFECT = INHUMAN, and we can not escape our humanity....

    PERFECT = DEATH
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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    As harsh as this sounds,this is a man who loved to live by the gun and died by it. I respect the service he provided for our country but his attitude about guns got him killed in the end.

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Well, according to CNN, former Navy SEAL Chief Chris Kyle was not a fan of President Obama and strongly was against gun control. (but to be fair, this guy was from Texas....)

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03/justic...led/index.html

    Here is an interview with Chris Kyle, only from 2 weeks ago. It's a little ironic that he would be gunned down, especially after he just spoke out against gun control.

    Some days, the irony is knee deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't feel any sympathy. And I'm just being honest.
    I thought conservatives were supposed to be the mean, heartless ones? A Navy SEAL who has served our nation in unspeakable conditions overseas was murdered and you couldn't even express one iota of "sympathy" or condolences towards his family & friends who are hurting.....

    Kyle, 38, served four tours in Iraq and was awarded two Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars with Valor, two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals, and one Navy and Marine Corps Commendation.

    From 1999 to 2009, Kyle recorded more than 150 sniper kills, the most in U.S. military history.

    After leaving combat duty, Kyle became chief instructor training Naval Special Warfare Sniper and Counter-Sniper teams, and he authored the Naval Special Warfare Sniper Doctrine, the first Navy SEAL sniper manual. He left the Navy in 2009.

    "American Sniper," which was published last year by William Morrow, became a New York Times best seller.

    "We are devastated by the news of Chris Kyle's death," William Morrow executive editor Peter Hubbard said in a statement. "It was an incomparable honor to help share Chris's story of service and faith with the world. Chris was a hero as much on the home front as on the battlefield -- a man who dedicated his life in recent years to supporting veterans and donated the proceeds of American Sniper to the families of his fallen friends. He deserves our deepest respect. Our prayers are with his family and the entire military community. He will never be forgotten."

    Kyle was also an advocate for his fellow service members suffering from PTSD, creating a foundation to help with their treatment.
    http://news.yahoo.com/former-marine-...opstories.html

    Btw, where is JayHawk? I think his comments here would be appreciated as he is a military officer himself.......
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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    I've been staying clear of this topic because I tend to believe that speaking ill of the dead is in bad taste. But first of all, I really see no reason for the existence of this topic. It is in no way relevant in this forum, as it is neither related to current events, nor to politics.

    A guy died. Sad, but it happens all the time. I am allergic to glorifying soldiers and while every death is a tragedy, this guy doesn't seem like anyone I would have respected while alive, so I don't see the necessity to pay him undue respects in death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    I thought conservatives were supposed to be the mean, heartless ones? A Navy SEAL who has served our nation in unspeakable conditions overseas was murdered and you couldn't even express one iota of "sympathy" or condolences towards his family & friends who are hurting.....
    I am not going to speak well of someone who possibly murdered civilians in other countries. I am not going to speak well of someone who engaged in reckless action because of his illogical gun control views... taking someone highly unstable to a gun shooting range that led to the shooting. Just imagine if the guy shot more people. So no, not one iota of sympathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    I thought conservatives were supposed to be the mean, heartless ones? A Navy SEAL who has served our nation in unspeakable conditions overseas was murdered and you couldn't even express one iota of "sympathy" or condolences towards his family & friends who are hurting.....



    http://news.yahoo.com/former-marine-...opstories.html

    Btw, where is JayHawk? I think his comments here would be appreciated as he is a military officer himself.......
    Puh Fucking Leeze.

    What is this bizarre need to personalize the experience that you seem to have.

    In the first post, you totally diminish your own 'grief', but pointing out (once again in CE&P where it is utterly irrelevant to the story) that you find this guy hot. Who the fuck cares what he looked like?

    ....and then acting like you are a best friend of the family or something. Yeah. He was shot and killed. He probably has family that will be grieving. But they don't need their real grief cheapened by the whispered condolences from people who neither knew him, or his family or his friends. What is heartless are all the professional grievers who have some need to make themselves part of the action...to make themselves seem more emotionally involved...to make sure that they appear better than all the millions of strangers who wouldn't even give this murder second notice except for the 'fame' of the victim.

    They don't call them the Darwin Awards for nothing, you know.

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    RIP

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    live by the gun, die by the gun. *shrugs*
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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Irony as a word has many shades of meaning.



    In that sense, there is no irony; his death was just another statistic on the probability curve of the gun culture he was advocating. Guns in war are a legitimate necessity. Guns in domestic everyday situations lead predictably to outcomes like this. He evidently couldn't tell the difference.
    After watching that video I have to agree, now, that his death is like any everyday situation. He just may have said something that clicked with Eddie Routh to cause this whole mess.No one will know except Eddie Routh. He will have to tell us, if he can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Well, according to CNN, former Navy SEAL Chief Chris Kyle was not a fan of President Obama and strongly was against gun control. (but to be fair, this guy was from Texas....)

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03/justic...led/index.html

    Here is an interview with Chris Kyle, only from 2 weeks ago. It's a little ironic that he would be gunned down, especially after he just spoke out against gun control.

    I'm gonna reply to this because I did not like your little dig about Texas. You say " to be fair, this guy is from Texas". You are stereotyping Texans as gun lunatics and you can keep your "hotness" to yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post

    <snip>

    Btw, he was handsome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post

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    Cause they're constantly left unfulfilled?
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    Cause they're constantly left unfulfilled?
    For someone who attacks others for talking about outward physical appearances he does it constantly.

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    I know that it is not becoming to speak ill of the dead.....but he wasn't really that handsome.

    I think he found out though that using guns as psycho-therapy can backfire.

    As it were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I've been staying clear of this topic because I tend to believe that speaking ill of the dead is in bad taste. But first of all, I really see no reason for the existence of this topic. It is in no way relevant in this forum, as it is neither related to current events, nor to politics.

    A guy died. Sad, but it happens all the time. I am allergic to glorifying soldiers and while every death is a tragedy, this guy doesn't seem like anyone I would have respected while alive, so I don't see the necessity to pay him undue respects in death.

    So, I say lock and move on...
    It was a current event. It was all over national news sites in the US when it happened, because of the irony of a gun supporter being murdered at a gun range.

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    Bye, Chris. Thanks for your service.

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    We trained him to do a job. He did it quite well. I thank him.

    Too bad the training didn't include violin.

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    I thought conservatives were supposed to be the mean, heartless ones? A Navy SEAL who has served our nation in unspeakable conditions overseas was murdered and you couldn't even express one iota of "sympathy" or condolences towards his family & friends who are hurting.....



    http://news.yahoo.com/former-marine-...opstories.html

    Btw, where is JayHawk? I think his comments here would be appreciated as he is a military officer himself.......
    Keep in mind I am a democrat.

    Giancarlo is a civilian who has never, and will never serve. He is looking on the outside and sees things in a ultra-liberal viewpoint. To him most likely, the SEALs are the bad guys and his support of guns is just another reason to label him a brainwashed Republican and move on.

    Chris Kyle is an American who went into the Navy SEALs and earned the rank of Chief in his career. I say RIP and thank you for your service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I am not going to speak well of someone who possibly murdered civilians in other countries. I am not going to speak well of someone who engaged in reckless action because of his illogical gun control views... taking someone highly unstable to a gun shooting range that led to the shooting. Just imagine if the guy shot more people. So no, not one iota of sympathy.
    Oh, and he just proved my point for me.

    But to head off Giancarlo saying I took his words out of context. He never said he thought the SEALs were the bad guys. He just assumed that Chris Kyle flagrantly killed civilians for the shit of it. Which...is close enough.

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    Thank you Apollo. Some folks show their souls through what they do in life and some simply show them in words. I prefer the people who do instead of yap. Rest in peace Chief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    Oh, and he just proved my point for me.

    But to head off Giancarlo saying I took his words out of context. He never said he thought the SEALs were the bad guys. He just assumed that Chris Kyle flagrantly killed civilians for the shit of it. Which...is close enough.
    I remember a while back that someone used to bash the armed forces a ton and he was basically showed the door. No point in arguing with a wall. Better off taking your ball and going home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    Oh, and he just proved my point for me.

    But to head off Giancarlo saying I took his words out of context. He never said he thought the SEALs were the bad guys. He just assumed that Chris Kyle flagrantly killed civilians for the shit of it. Which...is close enough.
    I see things from an objective point of view.

    And looking at the guy's video I can be safe to say he was just another anti-Obama republican... with some distorted viewpoints. It isn't even his gun control views. I am not naive. No, I will never serve in the military. I would never have any intention of doing so.

    And I don't see why I should extend any sympathy for someone who should be in the Darwin Awards. Giving an unstable man a gun... yeah... that's real smart. What happened to all that experience in the military? It was a moment of sheer stupidity on his part that cost him his life.

    Notice I am NOT bashing on the military. Some ought to keep their ignorant viewpoints to themselves. For example, I do approve of the French military action in Mali as it was requested by the Malian government, and support the French soldiers taking part in it (including the FFL). The Iraq war was completely immoral and illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    Giancarlo is a civilian who has never, and will never serve. He is looking on the outside and sees things in a ultra-liberal viewpoint. To him most likely, the SEALs are the bad guys and his support of guns is just another reason to label him a brainwashed Republican and move on.
    Ultra-liberal, blah blah blah... more labels we just toss around. That's all that happens in America. I see things from an objective standpoint. And please don't assume anything about me.

    And what's the difference between me and those who lavish praise on the military yet never have served (like the OP)? I have just as much credibility to state my viewpoints.

    Sometimes it's good to see things from a different perspective... outside the bubble.

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    I reminded by the Biblical passage, "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword."
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    I've been staying clear of this topic because I tend to believe that speaking ill of the dead is in bad taste. But first of all, I really see no reason for the existence of this topic. It is in no way relevant in this forum, as it is neither related to current events, nor to politics.

    A guy died. Sad, but it happens all the time. I am allergic to glorifying soldiers and while every death is a tragedy, this guy doesn't seem like anyone I would have respected while alive, so I don't see the necessity to pay him undue respects in death.

    So, I say lock and move on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    live by the gun, die by the gun. *shrugs*
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    Just to put Chris Kyle's choice of a profession in perspective -- do you realize that the Obama administration is doing the same thing targeting individuals including Americans and killing them through drone attacks. Obama even personally picks the targeted person.

    What's the difference a sniper's rifle or a drone?

    http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...americans?lite

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    Drones can cause collateral damage, civilian deaths, and have...snipers target one enemy combatant at a time. Chris Kyle for all the criticism he's received, much of it shameless and nasty, always advocated ferociously for veterans.... especially those with psychological scars due to the war. He served honorably, unselfishly, and deserves to be remembered for that service. Countless others he served with are alive because Chris Kyle had their back....it's interesting when others figuratively stab him in the back with their snide or finger wagging comments. He wasn't Attila the Hun, or some merciless slaughterer... RIP,Chris.
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    Oh yes, some shameless nasty "criticisms"... yeah yeah... all I said is he made a serious error that cost him his life. He gave an unstable man a gun. It was a stupid move. And the fact that guns can help someone with PTSD as therapy. That's basically what he was trying to do here. Darwin Awards.

    And as far as Obama, bullshit non-point. Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Just to put Chris Kyle's choice of a profession in perspective -- do you realize that the Obama administration is doing the same thing targeting individuals including Americans and killing them through drone attacks. Obama even personally picks the targeted person.

    What's the difference a sniper's rifle or a drone?

    http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...americans?lite
    I knew you were going to somehow get a jab in at the President.

    You're very predictable Springer. Not to mention a broken record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I see things from an objective point of view.

    And looking at the guy's video I can be safe to say he was just another anti-Obama republican... with some distorted viewpoints. It isn't even his gun control views. I am not naive. No, I will never serve in the military. I would never have any intention of doing so.

    And I don't see why I should extend any sympathy for someone who should be in the Darwin Awards. Giving an unstable man a gun... yeah... that's real smart. What happened to all that experience in the military? It was a moment of sheer stupidity on his part that cost him his life.

    Notice I am NOT bashing on the military. Some ought to keep their ignorant viewpoints to themselves. For example, I do approve of the French military action in Mali as it was requested by the Malian government, and support the French soldiers taking part in it (including the FFL). The Iraq war was completely immoral and illegal.
    Heh, I would like to put you and Chris Kyle in the woods with a stick and see who wins the Darwin Award then.

    But on to it, you have no idea what this guy was going through, or his specific case of PTSD. As a Corpsman who has deployed, seen and worked on Marine issues. Each case is not the same, and each person has to be treated specifically.

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    Heh, I would like to put you and Chris Kyle in the woods with a stick and see who wins the Darwin Award then.
    Awesome personal attack. I'm not the one that gave an unstable man a gun. Nor would I ever do that.

    But on to it, you have no idea what this guy was going through, or his specific case of PTSD. As a Corpsman who has deployed, seen and worked on Marine issues. Each case is not the same, and each person has to be treated specifically.
    I have enough of an idea that he shot his friend and himself. It's just obvious. If he wasn't unstable, why would he shoot his friend and then himself? I'm sorry but the story speaks for itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Ultra-liberal, blah blah blah... more labels we just toss around. That's all that happens in America. I see things from an objective standpoint. And please don't assume anything about me.

    And what's the difference between me and those who lavish praise on the military yet never have served (like the OP)? I have just as much credibility to state my viewpoints.

    Sometimes it's good to see things from a different perspective... outside the bubble.
    Reading through your posts. Which I do from time to time, you are anything but objective. You are so deeply seated in democratic ideas, you are almost drowning in them. I thank I engaged you a while back and called you a idealist who doesn't really see the world for what it is, a dangerous fucking place. I won't reply to any more of your posts in this thread again though. So get in your last little jab and be done with it.

    I will say this though. You remind me of me when I first joined this board. I always got into the political arguements. Staunchly democratic, and argued for the ideals to the nail. I would do the long wall of words, or itemize each paragraph and reply to each point my opponent made. I would go for pages with a guy with both of us never convincing the other one just a slight bit of our POV. I laugh at your posts sometimes because they remind me of me. But then I grew up and truly became objective to peoples views. I also don't pretend we live in some idealistic PC fantasy land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    Reading through your posts. Which I do from time to time, you are anything but objective. You are so deeply seated in democratic ideas, you are almost drowning in them. I thank I engaged you a while back and called you a idealist who doesn't really see the world for what it is, a dangerous fucking place. I won't reply to any more of your posts in this thread again though. So get in your last little jab and be done with it.
    LOL. Wow. I absolutely love democracy (I know I'm playing on words here). This is just so silly and ridiculous. I'm not an idealist. I'm a realist and I have had a tough life. But I still love democracy. Absolutely. Yes, I would love to be deep seated in democracy... I'm not an authoritarian! If you're referring to the democratic party, not exactly. As far as political parties, I would be closer to Jill Stein. And I know what the fuck the world is like, hence why I supported swift action in Mali... the Mali situation poses a significant THREAT to Europe and the rest of Africa. So cry me a river.

    Oh and as far as Mali, someone like politically minded like me acted in that and recently did a tour of Timbuktu. I love Hollande... he came off as a bit wishy washy at first, but then demonstrated his true colors. He's a socialist, and he took action against the rebels in the country that were brutalizing people.

    I will say this though. You remind me of me when I first joined this board. I always got into the political arguements. Staunchly democratic, and argued for the ideals to the nail. I would do the long wall of words, or itemize each paragraph and reply to each point my opponent made. I would go for pages with a guy with both of us never convincing the other one just a slight bit of our POV. I laugh at your posts sometimes because they remind me of me. But then I grew up and truly became objective to peoples views. I also don't pretend we live in some idealistic PC fantasy land.
    Yes, I'm staunchly in favor of democracy. LOL. But the democratic party? No. I may have voted for Obama, but I am more left leaning than the democratic party. The democratic party is backed by big corporate interests like the republican party, but not as extremely. The democratic party is right of center. The republican party is so far right wing they are in nutcase land. I am to the left of center... which refers to neither of the big political parties in America.

    Here is the problem with this post... it's ridiculous and hilarious. The world isn't "democrat versus republican". Talk about lacking a real world viewpoint... thanks for being inconsistent and committing the same sort of thing you accused me of doing.

    And I am PC? LOL. Considering how many times I've been banned and how I speak my mind hardly. I am not like you... at any point. I don't live in fantasy land. I live in the real world... care to join?

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    Re: RIP Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, an American Patriot

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Awesome personal attack. I'm not the one that gave an unstable man a gun. Nor would I ever do that.



    I have enough of an idea that he shot his friend and himself. It's just obvious. If he wasn't unstable, why would he shoot his friend and then himself? I'm sorry but the story speaks for itself.
    Ok I lied, but mostly because you are talking about shit you have no idea about.

    PTSD is a tricky mistress. People with it don't always show signs. They may look stable, be hard workers, keep busy, and do normal activities. When I first came back from country, me and my friend were walking to a formation. He slipped over a rock and had a serious flashback as if he had just stepped on a IED. He is ok now that a year and some change has passed. Got married, doing his thing blah blah.

    I have another friend who was blown up by a donkey IED sent after him by a Afghan child. He seemed normal at first. We would drink on the weekends, have fun. He became a Senior Line Corpsman and became responsible for new Corpsman fresh to the fleet with only school training. He did a good job at it too. Mind you, he was only a E-3 (not even a non-commissioned officer). He got married, his wife got pregnant. But you could tell his time in country affected him. He wasn't violent to his wife, but she obviously couldn't understand what it was like being over there. He had added stress of being married, having a kid coming and ensuring that his Companies medical readiness was up to snuff and his Corpsman were learning. When all was said and done, I went on a training op for 30 days, and his wife went home for a few weeks and he imploded on himself. Now he has been Admin Seperated, his wife and kid are in another state where he isn't and he is trying to get a job. The Navy/Marine Corps sent him to alcohol rehab and stress management and he seems to be getting back on track.

    Like I said, each case is different. For all you know, they could have been going with this guy to the range regularly and he was fine each time. But that one time, he just lost it and had a bad lapse in mental strength.

    OK now I am done with you. So say you completely clueless notes on PTSD. Even post a article or two that loosly talks about dealing with PTSD and talk to you in another thread. I know how much you love to debate.
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    Ok I lied, but mostly because you are talking about shit you have no idea about.
    I know plenty thanks a lot.

    PTSD is a tricky mistress. People with it don't always show signs. They may look stable, be hard workers, keep busy, and do normal activities. When I first came back from country, me and my friend were walking to a formation. He slipped over a rock and had a serious flashback as if he had just stepped on a IED. He is ok now that a year and some change has passed. Got married, doing his thing blah blah.
    His friend was unstable and not one that should have ever had a gun. He wasn't certain as to the extent, so it was not smart to give the guy a gun. Just that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Just to put Chris Kyle's choice of a profession in perspective -- do you realize that the Obama administration is doing the same thing targeting individuals including Americans and killing them through drone attacks. Obama even personally picks the targeted person.

    What's the difference a sniper's rifle or a drone?

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    Mr. Kyle's profession was of exemplary and proper service to his country, and to its allies for that matter. He exercised his skills under the orders of a democratically accountable government, and made a real contribution to the security of his fellow citizens. But in becoming an advocate for unrestricted amateur gun use, he undermined that security and put his fellow citizens at risk. There is a world of difference between a disciplined armed force under the command of a democratic government, and the do-it-yourself nonsense of the US Constitution's Second Amendment. He leaves a mixed legacy after a death that came to him squarely from the gun culture he upheld; he was killed in peace time conditions by a fellow citizen with no real reason to have a gun at that point, the sort of death that his political advocacy helps to ensure will continue to plague your country as long as people continue to take the NRA seriously.

    This bears no relation to the ethics of the drone program in Afghanistan, which was ethical under Bush, and ethical under Obama.
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    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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