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    The Hagel Confirmation

    Arguably, the SoS appointment is the most powerful position to hold outside of being President.

    But a close runner up would have to be Defense, because there could also be huge economic implications in the selection of Hagel.

    The consensus this morning was that Hagel had not done so well, despite repeating, over and over, his record of support for Israel when it counted and firmness about Iran. But, except for the exceedingly precise questions having to do with bases or shipyards in a particular state, the hearing was tilted far more toward fuming, insinuation, and intellectual dishonesty than any attempt to gain real information about what Hagel might do.

    Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...#ixzz2JjZHu6dX
    So how do you think he's faring? And will he be confirmed?

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    I think enough Democrats will join with the Republicans to defeat him.

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    I personally think he will be confirmed as many from both aisles like him, including republicans.

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    he'll definitely be confirmed... my guess is with close to 0 republican votes, not that it really matters.

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Yeah he did himself ZERO favors with his prep for the senate hearings. Yet much of what Republicans made hay over was him refusing to agree with them.

    For instance:
    The policy of Containment versus prevention in the case of Iran. I know he and many in the liberal side of the stratosphere would prefer we contain them. However he was wrong to not simply know and endorse Obama's current policy.

    On him flustering over Israel comments. He still believes and I think Obama believes that Israel needs a sanity check not a accomplice. Make no mistake both men would do all in their power to defend that country should their be a aggressor but we need to stop defending Israels aggression. It simply emboldens her to do it again. The simple thing is as long as the US is her strongest ally and always has her back NO MATTER how wrong Israel is in the situation then there will never be peace because we wont allow it.

    On John (I am embarrassed he was a navy man) McCain demanding to know if the surge in iraq was a mistake... I wish hagel had developed two testicles and told that warmongering fuck that the entire escapade in Iraq served no purpose but to maim and kill Americans. The war was a mistake so therefore it is easy to gauge that the surge should not have occurred. Lets examine scope. John McCain went to nam and came back so embittered that all he thinks is a solution on foreign policy is to kill thy neighbor. Hagel went to the same war and came back wiser for the mistake our country made in pursuing the Chinese army in Vietnam. It was quite clear that Iraq was the same type of proxy war against islamist extremist funded and trained by Iran. So it is easy to make that connection. Finally there is still no evidence that the surge was the reason violence subsided enough to grant Iraq the ability to have elections and take their own helm. Many still think the widespread CIA payoffs to various warlords and mullahs allowed for peace long enough to extract America. We may never know. Yet i suspect in 20 years we will know in full detail what curtailed violence.

    I would rather have a thousand Chuck Hagels providing cabinet advice on going to war than any John McCain's perpetual war is not something any true warrior desires.
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    ^Very perceptive take on the day. It is interesting that McCain came back with an entirely different perspective than Hagel and Kerry.

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Yeah but my use of proper words, spelling and sentence structure are atrocious....I gotta stop posting so fast. I cant get stuff out as fast as I think them.... so either all the voices are crowding out the truth or I just need a decent English class or two and maybe some speed typing.... oooo oooohh maybe a stenographer that I can dick-tate too
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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Chuck sounded feeble and ill prepared

    other than that, he was terrific

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    From the utter disdain for anyone the Pres. can appoint, I'm very concerned about the publicity that Johnnie McCain and Lindsey Graham have been getting by the corporate media. Are those pencils in your pockets or is this just another obstructionist ploy? Looks to me like they might be an item--but they can never have children. Psst...you lost the presidency - twice. Get over it. Meanwhile, Hagel should be confirmed, no thanks to the Republicons!

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    ^ did u see the hearings ?

    the guy was out of it mentally

    and confused about policy

    i don't think he studied the playbook

    i think he had a jay cutler moment is my take

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    i think he had a jay cutler moment is my take
    Is Jay Cutler being considered for Secretary of State? I wonder if Chuck Hagel could spot his
    secondary receivers.
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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    Is Jay Cutler being considered for Secretary of State? I wonder if Chuck Hagel could spot his
    secondary receivers.
    or marry (on a whim) a reality tv "star"

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    I find it bizzarre that there even is a need for "advice and consent" on these executive positions in the US Government. If the SoD breaks a law or assumes authority that he doesn't have you can go to court. If he has too much power, change the law if you have the votes. Personal animosity against him or the President is no valid reason to filibuster his confirmation. And if Donald Rumsfeld could get confirmed in the Senate, then there shouldn't even be a question about the qualifications of Chuck Hagel.

    But apart from all of this, filibustering a nominee because of Benghazi, which has absolutely nothing to do with Chuck Hagel is a new low. It may score them points with their base, but I wonder what the rest of America thinks about the Senate Republicans filibustering one of their own, while blathering about Benghazi-Gate. Not to mention that they all think neoconservative Bush-era policies are the gold standard in foreign policy. It boggles the mind (or at least my mind).

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    This should probably be moved to the culinary forum, but I suggest turning down the heat a little and maybe increase the cooking time just a tad. That should render a more evenly browned slice.

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    ^ And use real butter.



    I've heard that margarine is just one molecule away from being plastic.

    Much like Hagel is one week away from being confirmed as SOD.


    Like how I was able to do that and still remain "on-topic" without actually giving an opinion?

    Never regret anything, because in that moment it's exactly what you wanted.

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    Nah the crusty Senators involved in the opposition are simply sabre rattling to make it known they exist and are obstructive. I seriously hope that the President continues to lead and then bring his case public instead of dealing with these maroons. The tone of the TP and GOP of late has demonstrated they will accomplish nothing and be proud of that yet again. As long as the democratic party continues to put these shenaigans into the light of day the longer the republicans will be slowly pushed from office till they adjust to the twentieth century... then perhaps we can get them to accept the twenty first.

    I still say Hagel will be nominated. But now I am starting to wonder if they will make this a absentee post like the ATF. Panetta is going home in a day or so to his 'nuts' and he is still SoD. I don't think he plans on returning to Washington. Time for the Senate to get off the pot or shit.
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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Hard to imagine a more impotent job interview

    Ill prepared
    Lethargic
    Unaware of his future boss's actual policy

    The bar be low

    Leon will be missed

    The rubber stampers love Hagel

    He's so ........

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    Obama is going to have to pony up on answers to Benghazi if he wants Hagel confirmed. Why didn't Obama or anyone in his administration involve themselves the night of the attack and many others.

    Standing by and letting 4 Americans get murdered makes no sense.

    Hopefully, the Senate will get the names and number of the survivors --- their stories should be interesting. During a normal administration the media would demand the names.

    .. Obama hung up on the 3am call. Hillary was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    This should probably be moved to the culinary forum, but I suggest turning down the heat a little and maybe increase the cooking time just a tad. That should render a more evenly browned slice.
    Hagel is not a good looking guy. The uneven toast fits him.



    Actually, if we're making a meal out of this, I'd rather a biscuit with butter and blackberry jelly (no seeds).


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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Hard to imagine a more impotent job interview

    Ill prepared
    Lethargic
    Unaware of his future boss's actual policy

    The bar be low

    Leon will be missed

    The rubber stampers love Hagel

    He's so ........
    I will give you that his prep was embarrassing. He is simply not the guy used to having to answer the questions... he asked the questions. Kerry got softballs and looks good. Hillary got fast picthes knocked them out of the park. Hagel not so much.
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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    ^ And use real butter.



    I've heard that margarine is just one molecule away from being plastic.

    Much like Hagel is one week away from being confirmed as SOD.


    Like how I was able to do that and still remain "on-topic" without actually giving an opinion?


    Totally this.

    Obstruct all you want boys. Ain't gonna change a thing.

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Hagel is not a good looking guy. The uneven toast fits him.



    Actually, if we're making a meal out of this, I'd rather a biscuit with butter and blackberry jelly (no seeds).

    Very nice Jack.

    I see that Jayhawk has already reminded you of the circumstances.

    But what is Boehner's excuse?

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Jack I am sure you would make fun of a guy who has his facial features do to being burned in the Vietnam war.



    I realize you prefer to simply go schoolyard when you cant win but seriosuly arent republicans supposed to embrace war heros? o thought it was in that Min Kampf book yall have to read....

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Does it really matter who gets the hot seat?



    Any candidate for the position should be required to express
    there position or opinion on items like this and what actions
    HE/SHE would, enact...initiate or support as applicable

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Lefty the highest possible qualification for me was when Senator Hagel said

    I saw the consequences and the suffering and the horror of war. So, I did question a surge. It wasn't an aberration to me ever. I always ask the question, is this going to be worth the sacrifice? Because there will be sacrifice. In the case of the surge in Iraq, we lost almost 1,200 dead Americans during that surge and thousands of wounded.
    He knows what it is that is given. Everything else is secondary when it comes to making that decision. Men and Women willfully offer their lives to serve this nation. They deserve a civilian leader and representative that understands the sacrifice. Senator Chuck Hagel is that man at this point in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Very nice Jack.

    I see that Jayhawk has already reminded you of the circumstances.

    But what is Boehner's excuse?
    He saw a Jersey Shore marathon and thought it was his best way of helping Chris Christie win his election.

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    The whole fiasco is an embarrassment to the Republican Party that raised a ruckus over nothing towards a nomination that will go through in the end. This is a party undeserving of House and Senate seats. They would even turn against one of their own just because he is serving at the pleasure of a president who just happens to have a (D) next to his name.

    Those of you defending the Republican Party here have pulled up your skirts to reveal your shameless partisanship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    The whole fiasco is an embarrassment to the Republican Party that raised a ruckus over nothing towards a nomination that will go through in the end. This is a party undeserving of House and Senate seats. They would even turn against one of their own just because he is serving at the pleasure of a president who just happens to have a (D) next to his name.

    Those of you defending the Republican Party here have pulled up your skirts to reveal your shameless partisanship.
    And I find this posting an embarrassment. The seemingly puerile last sentence appears to be an opinion offered out to
    engineer further friction among ALL ranks and peoples
    But, that is JMHO and reaction.
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    Jay Bud...to Hagel or not to Hagel, that is the question. The answer as I see it. We sure as hell need a new broom that
    wasn't rehearsing for POTEW. No endorsement either way from me, JMHO

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    JH is being very partisan and not consistent in his defense of injured soldiers -- if I remember correctly JH has a hard-on for McCain who spent years in North Vietnamese prisons with broken bones and various other injuries.

    ... what's that phrase you and Bob like to throw around -- 'faux outrage'.

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Very nice Jack.

    I see that Jayhawk has already reminded you of the circumstances.

    But what is Boehner's excuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    The whole fiasco is an embarrassment to the Republican Party that raised a ruckus over nothing towards a nomination that will go through in the end. This is a party undeserving of House and Senate seats. They would even turn against one of their own just because he is serving at the pleasure of a president who just happens to have a (D) next to his name.

    Those of you defending the Republican Party here have pulled up your skirts to reveal your shameless partisanship.
    Did you even listen or read any of Hagel's hearing? it was embarrassing -- the man was not prepared and couldn't answer questions.

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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Did you even listen or read any of Hagel's hearing? it was embarrassing -- the man was not prepared and couldn't answer questions.
    Hagel really fucked up the hearing but it likely isn't going to cost him even if he even got some administration policy wrong and had to be corrected on it. He'll barely get through but he was an awful choice for this time and hopefully the damage he'll do at Defense wqill be minimal. Leon Panetta was a much more professional manager, and the managerial style of Hagel will not endear him to his subordinates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    The whole fiasco is an embarrassment to the Republican Party that raised a ruckus over nothing towards a nomination that will go through in the end. This is a party undeserving of House and Senate seats. They would even turn against one of their own just because he is serving at the pleasure of a president who just happens to have a (D) next to his name.

    Those of you defending the Republican Party here have pulled up your skirts to reveal your shameless partisanship.
    Actually in the real world

    Hagel put on a performance that should've cost him the gig

    Shockingly inept on facts and unclear on past statements

    Feeble is dead on

    Had that not occurred I would agree JB

    But it did - we all saw or read about it

    So your post is ABSURD

    I'm ok with CH being confirmed - but for JH to suggest he's the perfect man for the job because he knows what sending kids to fight really means ...

    Is curious and inconsistent

    right over the heads of the bandwagoneers as well
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    Chuck Hagel wouldn't have been my first choice. The purpose of the Senate's "advice and consent," however, isn't to jack up the president every time there is a nomination. They have to decide if there is some reason to disqualify the person nominated. What is the point of Republican Senators who say they will vote for Hagel to sustain the filibuster? The Republicans disgrace themselves every time they open their mouths these days or simply vote the party line when they are against what the party is doing. Republicans have no balls and show no leadership. They are destroying their own party, and don't seem to realize it.

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    ^ his confirmation hearing stupor had to set off some red flags no ?

    Like WTF
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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    JH is being very partisan and not consistent in his defense of injured soldiers -- if I remember correctly JH has a hard-on for McCain who spent years in North Vietnamese prisons with broken bones and various other injuries.

    ... what's that phrase you and Bob like to throw around -- 'faux outrage'.
    The difference between you and me Champ? You make fun of a guys face who has the courage to do what you ran away from, I dislike John McCain as a Naval Officer, as a Senator and as a leader because he stands for nothing but himself. I do NOT make fun of his hip or physical ailments that he suffered in a POW camp in Vietnam. That type of behavior is childish playground shit.

    Whats more in a mythical situation where either of these men were to choose between the two of us to have a conversation I am pretty sure even John McCain would wanna talk to the guy who disagrees vehemently with the lack of heart and position than the guy making playground insults. Men of charater simply do not behave in that way.


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    Lefty, I agree on someone new although I don't understand your abbreviation "POTEW". I think Hagel has thoroughly demonstrated a reluctance to go to war, a desire to wisely slice up our defense budget because it desperately needs cuts, and focusing the departments full weight onto drone type warfare and cyber warfare.

    We should never expend life if there are other options on the table.
    Defense was massively (DOUBLED) since 2001 and needs to be trimmed back.
    I also think both he and BHO desire to codify Drone and cyber warfare to strike a balance between our rights and our defense.

    The bottom line is it should still be difficult to end a life even if none of our lives are being lost. I personally think both men posses that ability.


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    Palemale I agree the republican party had two responses to the SotU, Boehner has demonstrated in a couple different mediums that he would raise some revenue to govern but the Cantor's of the House prevent him from moving, and the only time something happens is when the Senate is paid off in pork to get republicans onboard. They are broken and America sees it all the time.

    Finally the entire beef against Hagel on the right is because he wasn't a mindless drone following Bush into Iraq. This is payback for failing to get the fuck into line. That is the only truly bad thing you can do as a republican... is not be on the team. Guess what? Hagel was right in both instances... we shouldn't have been there and the surge didn't do a fucking thing. Even I had that wrong for a long, long time. I can admit i am wrong but republicans cannot (neither can democrats).
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    Re: The Hagel Confirmation

    Jay,

    President Of The Entire World...

    I have no idea of Hagel's agenda but, the Biggest Set of real Balls in the
    Clinton family has long signaled her goal in life. Since she can't be Queen
    of the universe, she will settle for POTEW...

    short Break for reality check... people, being a
    POW, Naval Officer and especially a now semi-senile Senator who has wet
    dreams of being the POTUS or better, does not make him any less unwise,
    incompetent or irrational.


    Both parties suck...Can we say untested Refuteblican't Palin for example? Or,
    a POTUS that the Dumbocriticals did not even vet? (well, unless maybe Mr.
    Gazillions George and his acolytes did the picking and vetting.)

    Drones (the missle kind anyway, like guns (etc) don't kill people. People do.
    So fix the fucking Problem not the symptoms. i am not an aficionado of Mr.
    Hagel, or any other potential candidate

    As to the USA's problems, maybe we need to CLEAN/Repair/fix the entirety
    of the Problems in our Government, not the symptoms. Not trying to stir up
    'old bank' here, just offering what is JMHO. (probably excessively at that)
    Rather than 'drone on, I say think about what Jay, others think. When you
    have the facts not the Dogma, share...
    O/P, I apologise for the additional off your track Dreck.

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    I guess you missed his Senate hearing too.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The difference between you and me Champ? You make fun of a guys face who has the courage to do what you ran away from, I dislike John McCain as a Naval Officer, as a Senator and as a leader because he stands for nothing but himself. I do NOT make fun of his hip or physical ailments that he suffered in a POW camp in Vietnam. That type of behavior is childish playground shit.

    Whats more in a mythical situation where either of these men were to choose between the two of us to have a conversation I am pretty sure even John McCain would wanna talk to the guy who disagrees vehemently with the lack of heart and position than the guy making playground insults. Men of charater simply do not behave in that way.


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    Lefty, I agree on someone new although I don't understand your abbreviation "POTEW". I think Hagel has thoroughly demonstrated a reluctance to go to war, a desire to wisely slice up our defense budget because it desperately needs cuts, and focusing the departments full weight onto drone type warfare and cyber warfare.

    We should never expend life if there are other options on the table.
    Defense was massively (DOUBLED) since 2001 and needs to be trimmed back.
    I also think both he and BHO desire to codify Drone and cyber warfare to strike a balance between our rights and our defense.

    The bottom line is it should still be difficult to end a life even if none of our lives are being lost. I personally think both men posses that ability.


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    Palemale I agree the republican party had two responses to the SotU, Boehner has demonstrated in a couple different mediums that he would raise some revenue to govern but the Cantor's of the House prevent him from moving, and the only time something happens is when the Senate is paid off in pork to get republicans onboard. They are broken and America sees it all the time.

    Finally the entire beef against Hagel on the right is because he wasn't a mindless drone following Bush into Iraq. This is payback for failing to get the fuck into line. That is the only truly bad thing you can do as a republican... is not be on the team. Guess what? Hagel was right in both instances... we shouldn't have been there and the surge didn't do a fucking thing. Even I had that wrong for a long, long time. I can admit i am wrong but republicans cannot (neither can democrats).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    JH is being very partisan and not consistent in his defense of injured soldiers -- if I remember correctly JH has a hard-on for McCain who spent years in North Vietnamese prisons with broken bones and various other injuries.

    ... what's that phrase you and Bob like to throw around -- 'faux outrage'.
    Oh shit! I'm so flattered you quote me in a thread I haven't posted in until now Springer. It's nice to see the huge impression my posts have made on you.

    Hagel will be confirmed. Doddering old fool McCain is trying to remain relevant by asking him questions on a topic Hagel has nothing to do with. The faux Bengazi scandal is all they have right now so in order to make it as difficult for the President as they can, they have to throw some shit at an Obama appointee. Hopefully some of it will stick. But why grill Hagel about a subject he had nothing to do with? Because they have nothing else. It's all they got. (....cue the "Four Dead Americans" rambling.....)

    Spending time in a POW camp doesn't qualify you to be a politician. Nor does it make you a good one. If you don't believe me take a look at McCain.

    Hagel should in turn ask foolish old McCain why he left his wife and married a pretty young daughter of a millionaire who had plans to further his political career. Hagel should also ask him what Saint Ronald and Baby Nancy thought of it. (FYI, they were friends with John and wifey # 1 until Johnny fucked around, divorced her and Ron/Nancy never spoke to him again) Maybe McCain will hobble back to his retirement home.... you know.... the one her Dad's booze money built for him.

    Still waiting to give you a ride to the Army recruiter Springer. Let the enemy see your handsome face as you bayonet them so they won't get shot by one of Obama's evil impersonal drones.

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    Hagel is going to get confirmed. Republicans are going to look like asshats for the shenanigans they're pulling. JUB is going to be flooded with a certain handful of people whining about how terrible it is going to be once Hagel is confirmed. The process will repeat itself next week.

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    Bob -- you're famous in CEP for your faux outrage.

    I guess you missed the Hagel hearing too ... the bar keeps getting lower for the Obama cabinet. I did read that the Russian Prime Minister finally accepted a call from another of Obama's new peeps -- it took over a week.

    Looks like they'll need another 'reset button'. I called Office Depot -- but the administration has already exhausted all their inventory.

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...ne/475688.html

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Oh shit! I'm so flattered you quote me in a thread I haven't posted in until now Springer. It's nice to see the huge impression my posts have made on you.

    Hagel will be confirmed. Doddering old fool McCain is trying to remain relevant by asking him questions on a topic Hagel has nothing to do with. The faux Bengazi scandal is all they have right now so in order to make it as difficult for the President as they can, they have to throw some shit at an Obama appointee. Hopefully some of it will stick. But why grill Hagel about a subject he had nothing to do with? Because they have nothing else. It's all they got. (....cue the "Four Dead Americans" rambling.....)

    Spending time in a POW camp doesn't qualify you to be a politician. Nor does it make you a good one. If you don't believe me take a look at McCain.

    Hagel should in turn ask foolish old McCain why he left his wife and married a pretty young daughter of a millionaire who had plans to further his political career. Hagel should also ask him what Saint Ronald and Baby Nancy thought of it. (FYI, they were friends with John and wifey # 1 until Johnny fucked around, divorced her and Ron/Nancy never spoke to him again) Maybe McCain will hobble back to his retirement home.... you know.... the one her Dad's booze money built for him.

    Still waiting to give you a ride to the Army recruiter Springer. Let the enemy see your handsome face as you bayonet them so they won't get shot by one of Obama's evil impersonal drones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    Hagel is going to get confirmed. Republicans are going to look like asshats for the shenanigans they're pulling. JUB is going to be flooded with a certain handful of people whining about how terrible it is going to be once Hagel is confirmed. The process will repeat itself next week.
    they might have looked like asshats except Chuck Hagel sorta confirmed their reservations

    oh that's right u missed that part

    edited it out perhaps?

    LOL

    bandwagon follies

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    they might have looked like asshats except Chuck Hagel sorta confirmed their reservations

    oh that's right u missed that part

    edited it out perhaps?

    LOL

    bandwagon follies
    That must be your word of the year. I didn't miss anything. Hagel hasn't confirmed anything since he's not SecDef yet. If he gets in office and fucks everything up, then he would have confirmed their reservations. Until then, nothing has happened except Republicans tailoring their reservations to the situation and then yelling and screaming like something bad has happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    That must be your word of the year. I didn't miss anything. Hagel hasn't confirmed anything since he's not SecDef yet. If he gets in office and fucks everything up, then he would have confirmed their reservations. Until then, nothing has happened except Republicans tailoring their reservations to the situation and then yelling and screaming like something bad has happened.
    it's sorta the way things are

    it fits frankly

    as for hagel - had it been a real interview not a formality sitch - he would've been kicked to the curb

    embarrassing just how brutal he was - carl levin had to clarifiy the position of the govt. on containment

    THE POINT is

    Hagel's performance sucked so the reservations were valid

    don't u just hate it when that happens?

    when u scream bloody murder about this and then ........ the fucker sounds like he's drunk ?

    what to do?

    repeat original assertion

    even though the reality of what succeeded it makes it valid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty View Post
    Jay,

    President Of The Entire World...

    I have no idea of Hagel's agenda but, the Biggest Set of real Balls in the
    Clinton family has long signaled her goal in life. Since she can't be Queen
    of the universe, she will settle for POTEW...

    short Break for reality check... people, being a
    POW, Naval Officer and especially a now semi-senile Senator who has wet
    dreams of being the POTUS or better, does not make him any less unwise,
    incompetent or irrational.


    Both parties suck...Can we say untested Refuteblican't Palin for example? Or,
    a POTUS that the Dumbocriticals did not even vet? (well, unless maybe Mr.
    Gazillions George and his acolytes did the picking and vetting.)

    Drones (the missle kind anyway, like guns (etc) don't kill people. People do.
    So fix the fucking Problem not the symptoms. i am not an aficionado of Mr.
    Hagel, or any other potential candidate

    As to the USA's problems, maybe we need to CLEAN/Repair/fix the entirety
    of the Problems in our Government, not the symptoms. Not trying to stir up
    'old bank' here, just offering what is JMHO. (probably excessively at that)
    Rather than 'drone on, I say think about what Jay, others think. When you
    have the facts not the Dogma, share...
    O/P, I apologise for the additional off your track Dreck.
    Oh I think my eyes are the widest open they have ever been.

    I see the warts on all but the nature of the fight these days is if you admit a single fault they try to pry it open until it is a grand canyon.

    I just don't know of another who has the experience in working the Senate coupled with the experience of being in War. All of that tempered with the concept, stated long prior to the selection, that our military needs to pivot into a new direction. Hagel and I agree on that pivot. Military leaders and congressmen alike have always fought those changes. Becoming a blue water Navy, becoming a two coast split fleet, becoming a dread naught navy, naval aviation, and becoming a carrier and submarine fleet.... ALL of it fought by the people in power because their power based and specific knowledge is based in that dogma so they are loath to change.

    As far as your particulars on the nature of politics? That is its nature and it wont change soon. They play to the stupid and do so via sound bites. How often in this modern era have you heard a politician talking about manufacturing jobs? Pure ignorance. This country has not been a primarily industrial nation since 1959. It never will be again. We just hafta figure out what we wanna be when we grow up as a country. Yet politicians sell that shit pie every time you hand them a microphone. So yeah all of them are full of shit.... unfortunately you have plenty that eat the sandwiches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I guess you missed his Senate hearing too.
    I see you have nothing to add.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    it's sorta the way things are

    it fits frankly

    as for hagel - had it been a real interview not a formality sitch - he would've been kicked to the curb

    embarrassing just how brutal he was - carl levin had to clarifiy the position of the govt. on containment

    THE POINT is

    Hagel's performance sucked so the reservations were valid

    don't u just hate it when that happens?

    when u scream bloody murder about this and then ........ the fucker sounds like he's drunk ?

    what to do?

    repeat original assertion

    even though the reality of what succeeded it makes it valid
    Again, his positions were made clear and no reservations were proven valid. The job of the SecDef is to run the DoD, not to meander their way through gotcha questions and accusations from Republican Senators all day. Could his performance have been better? Sure. But this was by no means any confirmation of any reservations that anyone had, other than maybe their reservations that he may not be able to handle multiple Senate confirmations. Luckily, only one will do.

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    ^ proof u didn't see it

    There was no gotcha on the CURRENT admin policies

    Bandwagon

    Obama picked him
    So he's great

    At least JH admitted how awful Hagel was in the moment

    Yet somehow counters with "but he's the best person for the job"

    Hard to fathom

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