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    Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    What bothers me the most about this is that the good pastor supposedly represents the ideals of kindness and charity, yet he shits on a working person.



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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    This is something that came up indirectly in a previous discussion at some point in the last month or so in Hot Topics-- I think what this story illustrates is that there is still very much a perception of social class in America that pertains to what someone does, and in particular service people, particularly food service people for some reason, are treated as beneath almost everyone else. Anyone who's worked in food service will pretty much know what I mean, people really talk to you sometimes as if you're from a separate subspecies just because of the job you're doing. If anyone has read any of the books that the series "True Blood" is based off, those books really captured a lot of the bias and bigotry that people have towards food service workers, as the main character is telepathic and works as a waitress, and can always hear what people are thinking about her.

    And apparently even pastors aren't immune. Despite similarly living "in a field of service", the connotation of where they rank in the social order is just nowhere near someone like a waiter or waitress.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    This infuriates me. We treat people in the retail and service industry like they're not even people. It's disgusting and reprehensible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshyPhoenix View Post
    This infuriates me. We treat people in the retail and service industry like they're not even people. It's disgusting and reprehensible.
    And there's definitely other similar fields too. Teachers, I feel, in particular are someone that society gives lip service to praising-- but parents who actually have a kid in a particular teacher's class always seem to feel that they know better than the teacher. And I think there is definitely among middle class parents the idea of ... "well if they were so smart then why the heck are they teachers making x amount instead of something better." A lot of the friction in American classrooms today is the general belief, I think, that parents know more than teachers. The amount of people who leave teaching because of parents is not at all insubstantial.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    If you think I'm posting in this thread, you're fucking insane.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    And there's definitely other similar fields too. Teachers, I feel, in particular are someone that society gives lip service to praising-- but parents who actually have a kid in a particular teacher's class always seem to feel that they know better than the teacher. And I think there is definitely among middle class parents the idea of ... "well if they were so smart then why the heck are they teachers making x amount instead of something better." A lot of the friction in American classrooms today is the general belief, I think, that parents know more than teachers. The amount of people who leave teaching because of parents is not at all insubstantial.
    To take it slightly off topic--and to expand on your subject, Buzzers--I read that Finland enjoys the highest educational standards in the world.

    According to one teacher, Finland does this by 1)paying teachers the same amount of $$as doctors and 2)not doing mandatory testing. The US, by contrast, does it exactly the opposite..

    Back to topic..

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Further, can you imagine what would happen if every single person in the retail and service industry went on strike for a single day? They may think we're useless, disposable and replaceable, but society as we know it would shut right down. When I read about things like this, I start to think Tyler Durden had the right idea.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    I waited tables my way through college. I can tell you that I always cringed inside when I saw a religious group coming in. They were usually rude and left very little tip.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    ^My sister said the exact same thing.

    "Church people are the absolute worst tippers", she'd chime. The whole crew would groan whenever they saw them coming.

    Good Christian Charity, my eye!

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Why am I paying the employee? isnt that what the employer is for??

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by jensu846 View Post
    Why am I paying the employee? isnt that what the employer is for??
    I am not sure if you're joking but..

    no, not in the U.S.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Minimum wage for servers is, what? Less than half of the standard minimum wage?

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    Minimum wage for servers is, what? Less than half of the standard minimum wage?

    Lex
    Yessir. Don't know the exact amount these days. Tips are an expected part of their income and (in tehory) supposed to be reported and taxed.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    It shows that men of God can still be nasty cheap douchenozzles.

    What he doesn't realize is that his God is on the side of the servers and not on the side of the Pharisees.

    On the other hand...I have to say that I really wish that North America would kill the whole tipping thing and be more like Europe.

    It is stupid that servers should have to rely on cheap cunts like this pastor to earn a living.
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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    ^Rareboy, you missed the point.

    In this case, the service charge had already been included on the check. The pastor crossed it off, and put in place of it, a big fat zero. He designed it to be purposely offensive.

    Please go back and look again at the check.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    ^My sister said the exact same thing.

    "Church people are the absolute worst tippers", she'd chime. The whole crew would groan whenever they saw them coming.

    Good Christian Charity, my eye!
    All people who have waited know this. Church groups are the worst. I've never found a good explanation to why. Ask anyone who waits and he/she will tell you the same thing. Church groups are usually rude and leave very little tip.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by jensu846 View Post
    Why am I paying the employee? isnt that what the employer is for??
    It's two or three $$ per hour for servers.

    Jensu, if you had your way, employers would have to raise the wages a large amount to get anybody to do the work. This cost would be passed along to you--the customer. Do you really want to have to pay $50 per person to eat out?

    You're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    As a Christian and somebody who used to work retail and fast food I will agree. Religious groups are terrible tippers. The Sunday afternoon crowds are awful. You see them all come in dressed in their Sunday best, women with their hair done up like Little House on the Prarie; right away you know they are going to be the most demanding, short tempered, and ill giving.

    I always wondered why that is?

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    It's two or three $$ per hour for servers.

    Jensu, if you had your way, employers would have to raise the wages a large amount to get anybody to do the work. This cost would be passed along to you--the customer. Do you really want to have to pay $50 per person to eat out?

    You're cutting off your nose to spite your face.
    Actually, this would explain why restaurants in Europe are so damn expensive. Now that I think about it, between the bill and the tip in an American restaurant, it would cost the same as just the bill in Europe. No tip in Europe.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    The pastor's note was either malicious or cheap or both.

    The waitress' posting was malicious and vindictive. She most certainly did not merely post it because it was "entertaining" as she claims.

    They deserve each other. She was fired, which was appropriate for her actions when she knew better, and the pastor was outed as a louse, which is just.

    Done and done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshyPhoenix View Post
    This infuriates me. We treat people in the retail and service industry like they're not even people. It's disgusting and reprehensible.
    Let's not over-generalise. This is just about a low-life pastor, and I do believe that most of us are respectful and kind towards food servers and store clerks. I see a lot more people who are better than this pastor on a daily basis, and yes it's true that there are still those who need to be educated about how to treat others - be it a homeless person, an elderly, a child, or service workers - with respect and kindness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    The pastor's note was either malicious or cheap or both.

    The waitress' posting was malicious and vindictive. She most certainly did not merely post it because it was "entertaining" as she claims.

    They deserve each other. She was fired, which was appropriate for her actions when she knew better, and the pastor was outed as a louse, which is just.

    Done and done.
    If you equate the unmeasurable embarassment to the pastor vs. someone living check to check needing a new job, yes.

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    A hot mess.

    The pastor was very "extra" and nasty. But it's not behavior I'm unfamiliar with when it comes to "churchgoers".

    Like I said a couple of weeks ago...I have a tremendous amount of respect for ANYONE who works in any type of customer service arena (especially restaurants).

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    If you equate the unmeasurable embarassment to the pastor vs. someone living check to check needing a new job, yes.
    I do.

    When I have lived "check to check," I certainly didn't piss away the job I had to retaliate against a customer.

    I've worked restaurants, college cafeterias, and retail department stores. What I read on JUB is a perpetual lopsided bias against customers and for waiters. It's a 2-way street and there are plenty of guilty on both sides. The majority of customers respect wait staff and the majority of wait staff try to do a good job.

    All the back-and-forths when there is a tresspass are just advocate positions of inherent bias, in most of the threads on JUB.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    I'm under the impression that the good pastor is a woman

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...193820748.html


    and I'm sure she's going to really regret the next time she goes out to a restaurant
    ...being that she's now so widely known






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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    I do.

    When I have lived "check to check," I certainly didn't piss away the job I had to retaliate against a customer.

    I've worked restaurants, college cafeterias, and retail department stores. What I read on JUB is a perpetual lopsided bias against customers and for waiters. It's a 2-way street and there are plenty of guilty on both sides. The majority of customers respect wait staff and the majority of wait staff try to do a good job.

    All the back-and-forths when there is a tresspass are just advocate positions of inherent bias, in most of the threads on JUB.
    In my view equating someone's job they live on with the pastor being a little embarrassed is exactly the same sort of dismissal of servicepeople as "beneath" that I alluded to in my first post.

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    No, it doesn't require any vertical concept of society at all. It requires people who act terribly to be accountable.

    The pastor is outed as petty and cheap.

    The waitress for airing private business that is the prerogative of her employer.

    It is fallacious to assume that the waitress is desperate, unemployable, or anything like that. She got fired. Lots of restaurants won't care what she did as long as she doesn't do it again. There are always waitering jobs to be found.

    I still say they deserve each other. Fate drew them together.

    I'm somewhere between Democrat and Socialist in my political views, but that doesn't mean any particular party in a conflict necessarily gets a bias.

    And to be clear, I didn't use the term "equal" or "equate." You did when you characterized my view. I said it was just.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    No, it doesn't require any vertical concept of society at all. It requires people who act terribly to be accountable.

    The pastor is outed as petty and cheap.

    The waitress for airing private business that is the prerogative of her employer.

    It is fallacious to assume that the waitress is desperate, unemployable, or anything like that. She got fired. Lots of restaurants won't care what she did as long as she doesn't do it again. There are always waitering jobs to be found.

    I still say they deserve each other. Fate drew them together.

    I'm somewhere between Democrat and Socialist in my political views, but that doesn't mean any particular party in a conflict necessarily gets a bias.

    And to be clear, I didn't use the term "equal" or "equate." You did when you characterized my view. I said it was just.
    I don't even know why politics are being brought into it. I can't say it better than I did in the previous post really. Equating embarassment with losing a job dismisses the waitress as being beneath the pastor.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Like to know the salary of the so called preacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I don't even know why politics are being brought into it. I can't say it better than I did in the previous post really. Equating embarrassment with losing a job dismisses the waitress as being beneath the pastor.
    Because class is inherently a political thing. Posturing about class is a political position.

    Their fates may be equated for you, but you haven't established why it must be equated.

    I said that both deserved what happened to them. At no point did I say that their consequences were equal, only that they got what they deserved.

    Watching the video of the pastor, one will hardly claim that she appears to be of some middle or upper class in income, speech, education, dress, or manners. She seems every bit as impoverished as any imagined waitress.
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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    ^Rareboy, you missed the point.

    In this case, the service charge had already been included on the check. The pastor crossed it off, and put in place of it, a big fat zero. He designed it to be purposely offensive.

    Please go back and look again at the check.

    I did see it Johann and agree that no customer should be automatically assessed an 18% tip in the US where the practice is not the norm.

    On the other hand...just because some nasty cunt pastor thinks that a server should get the same tip as they give God....well fuck them and the horse they rode in on...God doesn't work for the scraps off the table. No matte what the smug magic christians might think.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Being automatically assessed an 18% tip on parties of six or more IS the norm in America.

    And God doesn't need the 10% to survive. The server presumably does.

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    That bitch knew exactly what she was trying to accomplish when she called the restaurant......

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    No one is arguing the pastor wasn't intending the firing, were they? I don't follow, Youfiad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    Because class is inherently a political thing. Posturing about class is a political position.

    Their fates may be equated for you, but you haven't established why it must be equated.

    I said that both deserved what happened to them. At no point did I say that their consequences were equal, only that they got what they deserved.

    Watching the video of the pastor, one will hardly claim that she appears to be of some middle or upper class in income, speech, education, dress, or manners. She seems every bit as impoverished as any imagined waitress.
    "Posturing about class?"

    I already made it clear in my post that I wasn't talking about inherited wealth. I was talking about the judgment that goes on in America regarding job, particularly in the case of service and food service jobs. They are viewed and treated as not deserving of the normal consideration you'd give other people. Everyone who works in food service will tell you this.

    Yes, saying they were both dicks and both in the wrong and then saying they both got what they deserved when one faced no real repercussion at all and the other lost their job is engaging in exactly this kind of dismissal of someone based on what they do. A pastor regardless of personal wealth is never treated the way a waiter or waitress is, despite both technically "serving" people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    Being automatically assessed an 18% tip on parties of six or more IS the norm in America.

    And God doesn't need the 10% to survive. The server presumably does.

    Lex

    Yeah I get confused when people say they give money to God. How is that money even spent?

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    "Posturing about class?"

    I already made it clear in my post that I wasn't talking about inherited wealth. I was talking about the judgment that goes on in America regarding job, particularly in the case of service and food service jobs. They are viewed and treated as not deserving of the normal consideration you'd give other people. Everyone who works in food service will tell you this.

    Yes, saying they were both dicks and both in the wrong and then saying they both got what they deserved when one faced no real repercussion at all and the other lost their job is engaging in exactly this kind of dismissal of someone based on what they do. A pastor regardless of personal wealth is never treated the way a waiter or waitress is, despite both technically "serving" people.
    Well, I did not experience degradation when I bussed tables, nor when I worked in a cafeteria, nor when I worked as a retail clerk. I can't believe that there is more class distinction today than there was 35 years ago.

    To your point about pastors, I don't believe they have ever been deemed servants in the sense of household staff or waiters or personal attendants. Those occupations have always suffered from lower social status and clergy always benefited from being somewhere further up the food chain.

    I'm not defending the pastor's vindictive acts, but I'm also not defending the waitress' intentional attempt to take her petty gripe about a tip to a public forum to get revenge. When she did that, she willfully indulged her pique without regard to how it might affect her employment. A lot of people do stupid things because it feels great at the time, and later regret it. She just joined that number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    Well, I did not experience degradation when I bussed tables, nor when I worked in a cafeteria, nor when I worked as a retail clerk. I can't believe that there is more class distinction today than there was 35 years ago.
    Well, believe it. Ask teachers today how they are supported by parents and compare that to 35 years ago. Times have changed even if your personal experiences didn't show you so.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    HU, I would challenge you to bus tables for a day in a sit-down restaurant. It may be enlightening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Well, believe it. Ask teachers today how they are supported by parents and compare that to 35 years ago. Times have changed even if your personal experiences didn't show you so.
    OK, I missed your turn there. What does the teacher supported by a parent mean? I was a teacher in the 80s and again in the late 90s and in a state that ranks among the poorest in the nation -- Arkansas. I never had assistance as a teacher and was a single income teacher with no savings and no graduate degrees or extra income. I was poor then, and teachers are poor yet. How has that deteriorated? I rented a bedroom from an old lady in her home. I later rented tiny and then very old houses. When I left teaching to work in a factory, I made more money and no status changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    OK, I missed your turn there. What does the teacher supported by a parent mean? I was a teacher in the 80s and again in the late 90s and in a state that ranks among the poorest in the nation -- Arkansas. I never had assistance as a teacher and was a single income teacher with no savings and no graduate degrees or extra income. I was poor then, and teachers are poor yet. How has that deteriorated? I rented a bedroom from an old lady in her home. I later rented tiny and then very old houses. When I left teaching to work in a factory, I made more money and not status changed.
    I'm not talking about income. I'm talking about respect.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    HU, I would challenge you to bus tables for a day in a sit-down restaurant. It may be enlightening.

    Lex
    I did, and for less than minimum wage. I eat out constantly in NM, and I don't observe this rude treatment of waiters in either cheap joints or nice, and I eat across the spectrum.

    On a personal note, I'm a generous tipper and always have been, even when I was poor.

    But, I don't see this big imbalance when I dine out. I see most people respectful on both sides.

    I've seen both customers and waiters be asshats, but they are the exception. There is a lot of negligent service out there, but that is not the same as malevolent.

    Maybe Albuquerque just has nicer people than Denver?

    I eat out somewhere around 20 times a month on average, and I tend to be the one who pays the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I'm not talking about income. I'm talking about respect.
    To that point, the lack of respect for teachers was huge in the 80s when I left it. Honestly, I cannot imagine it being any worse now. I felt like the custodian got as much respect as I did as a high school teacher, and that's pretty egalitarian.

    When I got parental support, it was the exception, and that goes for poor and rich alike.

    It hasn't been Mayberry out there since the early 60s.
    Last edited by Hard-up1; February 1st, 2013 at 05:28 PM.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    I Give God 10% Why do you Get 18?

    Why should anyone else care how much the sanctimonious little cunt gives to his 'God'? ie, the human-created institution of whatever church he belongs to.

    What does he want, a fucking medal for being stupid enough to tithe?

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    To that point, the lack of respect for teachers was huge in the 80s when I left it. Honestly, I cannot imagine it being any worse now. I felt like the custodian got as much respect as I did as a high school teacher, and that's pretty egalitarian.

    It hasn't been Mayberry out there since the early 60s.
    Then you see my point. There are jobs in this country that people treat like dirt because of how much it earns and not necessarily a reflection of its contribution or worth. And people should not be treated differently based on their profession anyway, but they are.

    So you should see my point rather than being mystified by it.

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    OMG. 'Democratic' America claims to be egalitarian but it has class conflict like everywhere else in the world!

    I know you don't want to hear gratuitous advice from outsiders. But I'll give it anyway.

    We outlawed mandatory tipping in my country but we do have mandatory laws stating a minimum wage and to protect employees.

    And we don't give tax exemptions to religious cults and shonky ministers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FanofFiction View Post
    As a Christian and somebody who used to work retail and fast food I will agree. Religious groups are terrible tippers. The Sunday afternoon crowds are awful. You see them all come in dressed in their Sunday best, women with their hair done up like Little House on the Prarie; right away you know they are going to be the most demanding, short tempered, and ill giving.

    I always wondered why that is?
    Because, among Christians, THERE MUST BE ORDER!

    They need top-down rules or they're lost. Rules, laid down by the Christian god, who put slaves and waiters in their place, far, far below the godly — them. You can tell they're godly because not a single hair is out of place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    OMG. The so-called 'democratic' America has the same class conflict as everywhere else in the world!

    I know you don't want to hear gratuitous advice from non-Americans. But I'll give it anyway.

    We outlawed mandatory tipping in my country but we do have mandatory laws stating a minimum wage and to protect employees.

    And we don't give tax exemptions to religious cults and shonky ministers.
    I would much prefer a system like Japan's where the server's pay is built in and you are not even supposed to tip. It makes more sense both from the server's point of view (they're going to make living even if they get a slow shift or unfavorable workdays) and even from a tax point of view since tips are notoriously variably reported. I would be more than willing to pay more to eat out to pay for it.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    I wonder how long it will take before Applebee's offers the waitress her job back

    ..considering all of the negative publicity they're getting over this

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    No, I'm mystified because I don't think it has gone downhill any.

    When I entered teaching in 1983, people paid teachers low wage and did not respect them.

    Today, it looks the same to me.

    I don't buy that low wage equals low respect given. In the places where I have worked, custodians are treated with respect.

    Bus drivers aren't treated with contempt.

    Cashiers are denigrated.

    Nursing staff aren't treated like crap.

    Any position CAN be disrespected, and sometimes by those who think they are better because of income, but I don't see that as being any worse than it was 40 years ago, and I was poor back then, so I remember.

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