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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    The pastor wasn't a man -- that's sexist, and dated.
    This is an easy mistake to make, though, Hard-up. The vast majority of pastors ARE men.

    There exists a reason for that. The New Testamount forbids, by implication, females teaching males. My own father serves as a pastor, although he doesn't get paid for it. (Many don't, nowadays.)

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    I could care-less about the Pastor's comments and I don't care that he's a Fellow Christian.....Big Damn Deal...Christians have bad days to and maybe that was his....Waitresses deal with Jerks all day every day....This is NOT a News Flash...

    The Waitress that took the Cell-Pic of the note and BLASTED it online knowing the Pastors Name was visible DESERVED to lose her job. People have to learn to STOP using Cyber-Space as a way to vent Anger especially if it could lead back to your place of employment....

    The Waitress that was left the note got over it and went home that night and probably had a good time with her Life......

    Why feel sorry for the other chick that decided to involve herself when the Guy wasnt even HER customer....She's stupid....Let this be a learning lesson for her..She won't be putting Customers on Blast online anytime soon...And if she does it again she deserves to lose her job AGAIN...
    @Hard-up: ^^^

    This guy most certainly doesn't fit your profile of the typical JUBber, does he? He's kissing the pastor's ass.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    ^^^so glad that some jubbers are more ignorant then others.

    it's a fucking woman (so called paster) MisterMajestic




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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    ^you will notice that MisterMajestic always takes the side of the Christians.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    don't know if it's been mentioned yet because i didn't look through the entire thread. there's a lot of posts BUT the waiter that posted the note from the pastor has been fired.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...192100973.html

    what do you guys have to say about this?
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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    @Hard-up: ^^^

    This guy most certainly doesn't fit your profile of the typical JUBber, does he? He's kissing the pastor's ass.




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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    ^that's the source of the debate, RJ.

    Most people feel that she didn't deserve it; a few do.

    I personally didn't see anything wrong with posting the check, except for the fact that she (originally) showed the pastor's name. That points to a breach of privacy, which leads the debate into murkier territory.

    My own take is that the words on the check aren't so much the issue--the issue is that the customer was a pastor. Pastors are supposed to act better.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by johaninsc View Post


    Johan, you could say that MisterMajestic is a little atypical for a JUBber.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Having bused tables before I can definitely say that the EXCEPTION are the few nice church people out there.

    As a rule, the nicer the suits and dress they wear, the lower the tip.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    I once worked in a grocery store and lasted there for 3 months.

    This customer was returning a pack of ham slices which had gone bad before the expiration date. He kept it at room temperate and still demanded to get a full refund. When I told we couldn't refund it because it wasn't stored properly he became verbally offensive, threw it in my face and walked away. Real nice to get the rotten liquid on my face.

    I walked out and never returned and promised myself I would never do these type of jobs again.

    Of course I didn't do it only because of this incident but it was the tipping point. Going through psychological abuse daily is something I can't take for a long time.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Johan, you could say that MisterMajestic is a little atypical for a JUBber.
    I could also say that MisterMajestic is a decent guy who speaks his own mind


    ...and that I don't consider him to be an ass kisser

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    I once worked in a grocery store and lasted there for 3 months.

    This customer was returning a pack of ham slices which had gone bad before the expiration date. He kept it at room temperate and still demanded to get a full refund. When I told we couldn't refund it because it wasn't stored properly he became verbally offensive, threw it in my face and walked away. Real nice to get the rotten liquid on my face.

    I walked out and never returned and promised myself I would never do these type of jobs again.

    Of course I didn't do it only because of this incident but it was the tipping point. Going through psychological abuse daily is something I can't take for a long time.
    So sorry to hear that. My classmate work in a Mcdonald's branch before for about 3 months and he said he would never go back again. Some customers are just down right outrageous.

    When I eat wit my housemate she always leaves a lot of tips for the waiters and she used to be a waitress herself.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by johaninsc View Post
    I could also say that MisterMajestic is a decent guy who speaks his own mind


    ...and that I don't consider him to be an ass kisser
    These kinds of comments are annoying because they make the implication everyone else doesn't speak their mind.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by Scealle View Post
    So sorry to hear that. My classmate work in a Mcdonald's branch before for about 3 months and he said he would never go back again. Some customers are just down right outrageous.

    When I eat wit my housemate she always leaves a lot of tips for the waiters and she used to be a waitress herself.
    It was usually worst between 4 pm and 7 pm because then frustrated people take it on staff that they had a bad day (at work).

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    These kinds of comments are annoying because they make the implication everyone else doesn't speak their mind.
    being annoyed is a fairly common side effect of being a Jubber

    It'll wear off eventually


    ...you'll be fine

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    It was usually worst between 4 pm and 7 pm because then frustrated people take it on staff that they had a bad day (at work).
    Really? People should learn to not vent on others. There's something called exercise and punching bag
    For me it's the other way round though lol. The 2 times I went to a Fast food joint, once at Mcdonald's when I told the girl I wanted just the fries. She asked me "just fries only, nothing else?" in a very loud tone, then she glared at me for few seconds lol.
    The second time was when I wanted to cancel one of the orders. The person in charge reacted by punching on the order screen. And then slashing the card vigorously on the machine. I was like ok.....I felt pretty bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    It was usually worst between 4 pm and 7 pm because then frustrated people take it on staff that they had a bad day (at work).

    but she's a pastor and god is her lord.

    if she's frustrated then she should take it up with her boss.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Scealle View Post
    Really? People should learn to not vent on others. There's something called exercise and punching bag
    For me it's the other way round though lol. The 2 times I went to a Fast food joint, once at Mcdonald's when I told the girl I wanted just the fries. She asked me "just fries only, nothing else?" in a very loud tone, then she glared at me for few seconds lol.
    The second time was when I wanted to cancel one of the orders. The person in charge reacted by punching on the order screen. And then slashing the card vigorously on the machine. I was like ok.....I felt pretty bad
    There is something hardwired into our hierarchical societies, or, at the very least, as an extremely strong holdover from a more overtly hierchical past, where people feel that how they treat others can change based on a function of who they are, which in our society, is frequently tied to what they do and how much they make.

    I don't imagine a whole lot of dentists or accountants have clients come in in a bad mood and start screaming in their face or throwing things in their office, or just being generally super hostile from the beginning to the end of their meeting. It certainly wouldn't be the norm. In many service jobs, being abused by customers is the norm. Not the exception. Because most people feel, especially for as long as they're a customer (regardless of what they may do themselves professionally) that they are above the person they're dealing with.

    Laufey's example and your friend's experience at McDonald's are cases in point and much more typical in these kinds of jobs than in office jobs or professional jobs.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    ^that's the source of the debate, RJ.

    Most people feel that she didn't deserve it; a few do.

    I personally didn't see anything wrong with posting the check, except for the fact that she (originally) showed the pastor's name. That points to a breach of privacy, which leads the debate into murkier territory.

    My own take is that the words on the check aren't so much the issue--the issue is that the customer was a pastor. Pastors are supposed to act better.

    whoops, sorry for that, man.

    i agree with you on what you saying but being that the customer is a pastor, i think she should be put on full blast for that though. she's one of those folks that become a pastor or get involved with religion and preaching for the money.
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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    ^oh come on hard wired to be rude and intolerant of others?

    this woman was a woman of god and she looks and behaves like a total child.

    the only hard wired in her is the lack of intelligence and normal behavior.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    ^oh come on hard wired to be rude and intolerant of others?

    this woman was a woman of god and she looks and behaves like a total child.

    the only hard wired in her is the lack of intelligence and normal behavior.
    So why do so many people abruptly lack intelligence and normal behavior around servicepeople in a way they don't demonstrate around professionals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    So why do so many people abruptly lack intelligence and normal behavior around servicepeople in a way they don't demonstrate around professionals?
    no one really does but we just focus on the few who behave badly.

    it's what we see and our perception of things.




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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    There is something hardwired into our hierarchical societies, or, at the very least, as an extremely strong holdover from a more overtly hierchical past, where people feel that how they treat others can change based on a function of who they are, which in our society, is frequently tied to what they do and how much they make.

    I don't imagine a whole lot of dentists or accountants have clients come in in a bad mood and start screaming in their face or throwing things in their office, or just being generally super hostile from the beginning to the end of their meeting. It certainly wouldn't be the norm. In many service jobs, being abused by customers is the norm. Not the exception. Because most people feel, especially for as long as they're a customer (regardless of what they may do themselves professionally) that they are above the person they're dealing with.

    Laufey's example and your friend's experience at McDonald's are cases in point and much more typical in these kinds of jobs than in office jobs or professional jobs.
    I see. I also want add that artists, especially those that freelance also tend to deal with a lot of clients the can be overly demanding and insults despite the low wager they pay. I don't like it when people treat people in the service fields badly. Without them who's going to take your order when you are rushing for a deadline at the drive through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    These kinds of comments are annoying because they make the implication everyone else doesn't speak their mind.
    I got off a little bit on the wrong side of Johan by a political statement I'd made. ("I just can't understand why the toothless crowd would vote for a man who's worth $250 million, and got his fortune from putting people out of work.")

    He's never really forgiven me for that.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    I got off a little bit on the wrong side of Johan by a political statement I'd made. ("I just can't understand why the toothless crowd would vote for a man who's worth $250 million, and got his fortune from putting people out of work.")

    He's never really forgiven me for that.
    I struggle to see the problem with your statement.....

    aaaaaaaand I can't see it.

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    Clash of the Johans
    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/signaturepics/sigpic216959_1.gif

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I struggle to see the problem with your statement.....

    aaaaaaaand I can't see it.
    He didn't feel comfortable with the "toothless" part. I guess he has a point.

    I have real trouble understanding the psychology of poor Republicans. To make matters worse, politics brings out the very worst in me.

    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    Clash of the Johans
    I've actually tried to reach out to him, because we come from the same area of the country.

    I think I did too much damage, though.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    To get back to the topic..

    I see the pastor has shown some signs of remorse.

    The weird thing, though, is apparently she shows remorse about writing in the check, but she seems not to show any remorse whatsoever at her stance on not tipping a waitress more than God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    ^oh come on hard wired to be rude and intolerant of others?

    this woman was a woman of god and she looks and behaves like a total child.

    the only hard wired in her is the lack of intelligence and normal behavior.
    Do you think that pastor would have given the same treatment to the server had it been a member of her congregation? Do you think if she went to another church she would have put a card in the offering plate saying "I give God 10% at my church, so why should I give more at your church?" I don't think this woman lacks intelligence or is incapable of normal behavior. I think she saw someone who she considered below her and decided that her superior rank enabled her to treat the server like crap when it came to the tip. Why else would you make sure to add your title of Pastor to the signature? I would be interested in seeing what type of customer this pastor was throughout the whole meal.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    I got off a little bit on the wrong side of Johan by a political statement I'd made. ("I just can't understand why the toothless crowd would vote for a man who's worth $250 million, and got his fortune from putting people out of work.")

    He's never really forgiven me for that.
    that's totally false...please do an advanced search and show me this political statement that you made and the response I made to it

    your memory is off...


    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    He didn't feel comfortable with the "toothless" part. I guess he has a point.

    I have real trouble understanding the psychology of poor Republicans. To make matters worse, politics brings out the very worst in me.

    I've actually tried to reach out to him, because we come from the same area of the country.

    I think I did too much damage, though.
    btw, I'm not a poor Republican

    also, we know that politics brings out the worst in you...you keep reminding us

    but at your age, you should've long since learned how to controll your passions

    and in what way did you ever reach out to me?


    I look forward to your quoted posts



    thread is officially derailed

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    I always get the feeling from your posts in HT that you're looking for a fight^.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    that feeling you got could have been something you ate


    try this...it might help







    *patiently waits for Bessler's reply...*

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    He didn't feel comfortable with the "toothless" part. I guess he has a point…
    I don't think ANYONE feels comfortable about toothlessness. I've got a dental issue but none of my friends are prepared to tell me about theirs.

    I may have to start up a thread in the Health & Wellbeing forum.
    .

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    thanks, Pat


    but Bessler's off the mark...I'm sure he'll be able to clear this all up



    ..and my teeth are fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I always get the feeling from your posts in HT that you're looking for a fight^.
    I think it's funny the impressions we have of one another, sometimes. I've always found johaninsc's posts to reflect a temperate good humor. Of course, those impressions can be reinforced one way or another over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    I think it's funny the impressions we have of one another, sometimes. …
    We get one-dimensional impressions of human beings here. I hated one guy here 3 months ago but now I respect him.
    .

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    We get one-dimensional impressions of human beings here. I hated one guy here 3 months ago but now I respect him.
    I guess that means my cheque finally cleared

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    Quote Originally Posted by johaninsc View Post

    *patiently waits for Bessler's reply...*
    I don't remember the exact words, but I do remember very clearly the essence of the point, Johan.

    We were discussing poor Republicans. I made a comment about how I couldn't understand how a man without a tooth in his head could (......this is where my memory failed me.) The gist of it was that poor Republicans seem to me either ignorant or just plain stupid.

    You repeated the words "toothless" to me in a post...

    I understood your point, Johan. You were trying to remind me how condescending I was acting.

    On another note..


    ....I tried to reach out to you by speaking directly to you, Johan, most recently in the debate with Belamo. Not only you didn't reply to any of my points, you didn't really even acknowledge them.

    So be it, Johan ..I'm not really even offended by any of this. I just thought that since we grew up within 100 or 150 miles of each other, we might share a common ground.

    In truth, however, we really don't have that much in common, do we?

    <shrugs>

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I don't think ANYONE feels comfortable about toothlessness. .
    When I meet a person who is in reduced circumstances, and he tells me he votes Republican, the first thing I do is look to see how many of his teeth he has left.

    True story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I always get the feeling from your posts in HT that you're looking for a fight^.
    What I thought odd is that he actually expects me to go back 500 or more posts to find the exact wording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    We get one-dimensional impressions of human beings here. I hated one guy here 3 months ago but now I respect him.
    I'm not going to speculate as to whether I am Pat's convert in the reference, but I will say I agree that this pattern is common on JUB. For a group that natters on about stereotypes, we celebrate them constantly, be it the glam GIFs that suggest we are likely whoring or bitchy, to the desire to find a conservative to whip in lieu of the real ones out there.

    I've seen the same thing in person, and it is just as prevalent in conservative or liberal circles. If there is a whiff of dissonance on any of a spectrum of key topics (animal rights, religion, morality, class/caste, politics, nationalism, etc.), an alarm goes off and somehow the brain switches into witch-hunt mode. The discoverer is just CERTAIN that the opposing view must also be cloaking a plethora of barely concealed biases that sum up to be the ogre that is responsible for all that is wrong in the world.

    I have no doubt that most of the titanic clashes that we see on JUB would never be possible if the two were sitting side by side, eating and discussing, making eye contact, forced to concede the goodwill or charm of the other. Instead, we reduce the other man, weighing him down by loading chain after chain on him in labels.

    In truth, it is the old whipping boy syndrome. We have angst or anger at the forces that "ruin" parts of our world and we are ever eager to lash out at them by proxy, finding a ready target in some hapless man nearer, but not truly the thing that troubles us.

    My life on JUB is not that of some online bulletin board, and certainly not one of a devotee of the poor porn we find here. I connect to gay men of different generations, attitudes, nations, continents, orientations, education, races, and tastes. We share our deaths, lost loves, peeves, finances, health and many more aspects of our lives. For those of us who reach that level, we also enrich our lives in ways we cannot in our communities that lack such forums for exchange, plus the time required to assemble at night after our jobs. Some of us are connected in person or by the phone or emails.

    Since 2005, I have been interlaced with men here who have never been in person what they were online. Of that, I am adamant. To a man, all were more human, and more charming. I suspect they were all gay.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by AshyPhoenix View Post
    This infuriates me. We treat people in the retail and service industry like they're not even people. It's disgusting and reprehensible.
    From someone who has been in retail for the past 11 years (too damn long for anybody), Thank You!



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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    What I thought odd is that he actually expects me to go back 500 or more posts to find the exact wording.
    why not..? I did

    took less than 5 minutes to find those posts

    We were discussing poor Republicans. I made a comment about how I couldn't understand how a man without a tooth in his head could (......this is where my memory failed me.) The gist of it was that poor Republicans seem to me either ignorant or just plain stupid.
    no, we weren't...you were talking about a practical joke...and then you made the "white trash" comment

    that's what I responded to...then you made the "toothless" comment..

    you never said "I just can't understand why the toothless crowd would vote for a man who's worth $250 million, and got his fortune from putting people out of work."
    it's possible that you might have some threads mixed up, or you're trying to be somewhat creative

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...=1#post8515524




    you made a similar error in facts...and judgment in a past thread

    ...one in which you made some awful comments and accusations to another Jubber

    I checked that one out thoroughly...found nothing that would support what you said


    that's when we got off on the wrong footing, btw


    before you make posts like that, it wouldn't hurt to do some fact checking

    ...as memory isn't totally reliable




    now I'm off to work

    see you guys later this evening

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    This pastor was in a public place being rude to an employee in public in front of other people sitting around her. Anyone, including another guest could have walked by and took a glance at what she left for a tip out of curiosity and posted that pic. Does she think she's entitled to go around leaving nasty notes to employees like that, and everyone is supposed to keep hush hush? It's unfortunate the employee got fired, but I'm sure she will find another job, particularly since most people seem to feel sorry for her. That pastor bitch on the other hand might as well forget about going out to eat anymore in the near future, nobody is going to want to wait on her ass knowing how she is.

    It's common knowledge that parties of 8 or more have gratuity automatically added to the check. I worked as a server and saw the same people come in over and over again and feign outrage over it and act like it's the first time they are finding out about it. It's restaurant policy, it's not the server's fault. They can't do anything about it and neither can the management because doing so would actually be considered discrimination.

    Policies like that are in place because otherwise, large parties of people have a tendency to screw the servers over on tips. Either one person pays the bill and gets sticker shock and doesn't want to leave a proportionate tip, or everyone gets separate checks and assume that all the other people will be leaving tips so they don't have to - then hardly anyone ends up leaving a tip.

    What you might call a "tip" the government calls them "wages" and the server is taxed on them. They are required to claim at least 8% of their total sales each day as tips/wages, even if they had a bad day and didn't actually make that much. So when you stiff over a server, not only did they not make any money off your table and wasted their time, they actually had to pay for the privilege to wait on you by getting taxed on wages they never received.

    Gratuity is part of the cost of dining out, period. If you cannot afford it, then you cannot afford to go out to eat. End of story. I tip *above* 15-20% if I get exceptionally good service, but I always leave at the very least 15%. They did wait on me, regardless of whether it was stellar or not. I don't expect people to wait on me for free.

    What makes this even worse, is that at many restaurants servers are also required to tip out the bussers, food runners and bartenders at the end of the night based off their total sales. So if they get stiffed on a table, they're still expected to tip all those other employees out too for doing their job.

    If you have a problem with how restaurants grossly underpay their employees and expect them to make a living off of gratuities alone, write a letter to their corporate headquarters expressing your concerns and/or refrain from patronizing them. Don't take it out on the servers after you've stuffed your face and hung out in their section for two hours chatting.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    I'm not a fan of the tip system and I'm glad we don't have it here.

    I sometimes forget to tip when I'm traveling abroad... whoopsie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by inferno View Post
    It's common knowledge that parties of 8 or more have gratuity automatically added to the check. I worked as a server and saw the same people come in over and over again and feign outrage over it and act like it's the first time they are finding out about it. It's restaurant policy, it's not the server's fault. They can't do anything about it and neither can the management because doing so would actually be considered discrimination.

    Policies like that are in place because otherwise, large parties of people have a tendency to screw the servers over on tips. Either one person pays the bill and gets sticker shock and doesn't want to leave a proportionate tip, or everyone gets separate checks and assume that all the other people will be leaving tips so they don't have to - then hardly anyone ends up leaving a tip.

    What you might call a "tip" the government calls them "wages" and the server is taxed on them. They are required to claim at least 8% of their total sales each day as tips/wages, even if they had a bad day and didn't actually make that much. So when you stiff over a server, not only did they not make any money off your table and wasted their time, they actually had to pay for the privilege to wait on you by getting taxed on wages they never received.

    Gratuity is part of the cost of dining out, period. If you cannot afford it, then you cannot afford to go out to eat. End of story. I tip *above* 15-20% if I get exceptionally good service, but I always leave at the very least 15%. They did wait on me, regardless of whether it was stellar or not. I don't expect people to wait on me for free.

    What makes this even worse, is that at many restaurants servers are also required to tip out the bussers, food runners and bartenders at the end of the night based off their total sales. So if they get stiffed on a table, they're still expected to tip all those other employees out too for doing their job.

    If you have a problem with how restaurants grossly underpay their employees and expect them to make a living off of gratuities alone, write a letter to their corporate headquarters expressing your concerns and/or refrain from patronizing them. Don't take it out on the servers after you've stuffed your face and hung out in their section for two hours chatting.
    /standing ovation...


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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcnow View Post
    /standing ovation...
    Seconded, hardcore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inferno View Post
    This pastor was in a public place being rude to an employee in public in front of other people sitting around her. Anyone, including another guest could have walked by and took a glance at what she left for a tip out of curiosity and posted that pic. Does she think she's entitled to go around leaving nasty notes to employees like that, and everyone is supposed to keep hush hush? It's unfortunate the employee got fired, but I'm sure she will find another job, particularly since most people seem to feel sorry for her. That pastor bitch on the other hand might as well forget about going out to eat anymore in the near future, nobody is going to want to wait on her ass knowing how she is.

    It's common knowledge that parties of 8 or more have gratuity automatically added to the check. I worked as a server and saw the same people come in over and over again and feign outrage over it and act like it's the first time they are finding out about it. It's restaurant policy, it's not the server's fault. They can't do anything about it and neither can the management because doing so would actually be considered discrimination.

    Policies like that are in place because otherwise, large parties of people have a tendency to screw the servers over on tips. Either one person pays the bill and gets sticker shock and doesn't want to leave a proportionate tip, or everyone gets separate checks and assume that all the other people will be leaving tips so they don't have to - then hardly anyone ends up leaving a tip.

    What you might call a "tip" the government calls them "wages" and the server is taxed on them. They are required to claim at least 8% of their total sales each day as tips/wages, even if they had a bad day and didn't actually make that much. So when you stiff over a server, not only did they not make any money off your table and wasted their time, they actually had to pay for the privilege to wait on you by getting taxed on wages they never received.

    Gratuity is part of the cost of dining out, period. If you cannot afford it, then you cannot afford to go out to eat. End of story. I tip *above* 15-20% if I get exceptionally good service, but I always leave at the very least 15%. They did wait on me, regardless of whether it was stellar or not. I don't expect people to wait on me for free.

    What makes this even worse, is that at many restaurants servers are also required to tip out the bussers, food runners and bartenders at the end of the night based off their total sales. So if they get stiffed on a table, they're still expected to tip all those other employees out too for doing their job.

    If you have a problem with how restaurants grossly underpay their employees and expect them to make a living off of gratuities alone, write a letter to their corporate headquarters expressing your concerns and/or refrain from patronizing them. Don't take it out on the servers after you've stuffed your face and hung out in their section for two hours chatting.
    Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inferno View Post
    ...What you might call a "tip" the government calls them "wages" and the server is taxed on them.
    ....at many restaurants servers are also required to tip out the bussers, food runners and bartenders at the end of the night based off their total sales....
    This is insane and wrong. If Obama fails on the gun problem, surely he could do something here.
    .

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    This is insane and wrong. If Obama fails on the gun problem, surely he could do something here.
    Seriously if you think the restaurant industry could be easily reformed you just don't know how bad it is here. Restaurant owners practically already feel they're "handicapping themselves enough" having payrolled employees at all instead of completely under the table workers, and many restaurants have only undocumented employees. I agree it should be changed but people who think it should be easy just don't know how the restaurant industry is here in the U.S.

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