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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    A huge part of the problem lies in the fact that no one wants to stand up to China, who're cheating to Orwellian proportions.
    This is unjustifably stupid. You and Grimshaw should exchange fluids.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    The pastor's group must have not been very hungry if the total bill for a party of 10 was just $35.00. " I'll have the soup and 10 spoons"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I'd rather go to a self-service cafeteria than endure this type of vile, servile, fawning behaviour.
    Rarely am I not pleased when servers attempt to ingratiate themselves to me, and I almost always respond in kind. We have a shared interest in making the exchange--however brief--a mutually beneficent and beneficial one. Moreover, I find most of the servers and runners I come into contact with to be hard-working, proficient, and helpful, and I genuinely enjoy their presence.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Clearly, the most relevant part of your point Johann was the status of people's teeth. At least in someone's estimation.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    If we were to enumerate the various economic sins of the great powers among the world's nations, it would take too long to go through all of them. From the cantons of the colonialists in China, to Great Britain's currency manipulation, to France's abuses in North Africa, to America's domination of the Western Hemisphere, the offenses are ubiquitous.

    It is too much the fashion to portray China as the bad actor of choice when she is yet a teenager anew amid the old whores of Europe and America.
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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Hardup, I see this as a bad argument.

    It reminds me of someone getting pulled over by the cops for speeding, and replying,"Why are you spending our tax $$ arresting me, when you could use the $$ chasing robbers and rapists?"

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    ^I don't think he grasps the central point, do you?

    The root of it lies in the very real conundrum of a large group of people voting directly against their own self-interests. It baffles me to the core of my being.
    You don't understand why calling people toothless, white-trash, out-house shitters is a problem, do you?

    I can: it's because you are their kin. Mean and stupid.
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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    You don't understand why calling people toothless, white-trash, out-house shitters is a problem, do you?

    I can: it's because you are their kin. Mean and stupid.
    I actually consider Johann's colorful description less meaningfully offensive than the one I'd give: ignorant, underinformed and willingly staying so. For virtually anyone poor or working class who votes Republican.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    Speaking of which, you have a slight bit of crap there on your upper lip, Slops. You may need to go back and wipe again with fresh toilet paper.


    To Bessler's supposed point about poor people voting against their class, what other choice would they have voting in most American elections. Since when does a poor man run for high office.

    Suggesting that people only vote for economic causes is a major miss when it comes to understanding politics. The Republicans figured out quickly that the social agenda of the far right was the ideal tool to garner the votes of the South where they hadn't won significant votes in decades. It worked beautifully.

    Expecting any group to vote with the values you think they should advocate is simply condescending. Gays, Pro-Unionists, Feminists, Greens, Fundamentalists, Capitalists, Socialists, Gun-rightists, and so on often can be swayed on a single topic.

    Politics has always been more than economics. It always will be. It is enough to disagree with another citizen; it is not necessary to dismiss them with contempt.
    Hardup1 you are missing the mark insofar as that the economic angle is very frequently the one that working class Republicans will GIVE as their REASON for voting Republican.

    Meanwhile many of us stand back and gawk in disbelief as they give that reason and then vote for policies that move their jobs overseas and tax structures that cut services they use and benefit people much richer than they are.

    Go down in CE&P, check out how often Republicans talk about how Obama is ruining the economy, and the reasoning given is frequently, if not predominantly, economic. ANd my extremely strong suspicion is that probably not a single one of them is 'harmed', taxation wise, by Obama policies. Hence the bewilderment.

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    ^ I haven't read Wigan but I'm reminded of Orwell's ideas and 1984 almost every day and certainly almost every time I come to share with my JUB friends
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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post
    Rarely am I not pleased when servers attempt to ingratiate themselves to me, and I almost always respond in kind. We have a shared interest in making the exchange--however brief--a mutually beneficent and beneficial one. Moreover, I find most of the servers and runners I come into contact with to be hard-working, proficient, and helpful, and I genuinely enjoy their presence.
    I tip usually 20-25% but I do not like the server to get personal with me. I appreciate good service.

    We recently went to dinner at a Greek Restaurant and the waitress was massaging the three of us and I knew her whole life story. I guess that is cool for some people but it isn't my thing. She did a good job waiting on us though so I still tipped her well but I would avoid her in the future because our dinner conversation was subject to her continual intrusions.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    A huge part of the problem lies in the fact that no one wants to stand up to China, who're cheating to Orwellian proportions.
    The US tipping culture is peculiar, seems to be a method to externalize labour and tax costs for the employer. The ability to earn a gratuity must have successfully been used as a basis for justifying reduced wages at various points.
    Workers in a fair few other western countries are able to earn tips (often tax free) in addition to high minimum wages. Service doesn't seem to be markedly different between the US and other western countries, despite the incentive you might think a tip would motivate.

    I don't think low wages / currency manipulation by China is actually linked to underpaying of retail workers and wait staff in the US. Same attitude maybe, but not the same economics. Most western countries get their electronic and clothing goods manufactured in China, but service industries, restaurants in particular, are not subject to competition by workers in China.

    Increasing wages for services which employ locals would seem a sensible way to enlarge and stabilize a domestic economy. Their salaries feed back in to the same economy, mostly.
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    I wouldn't enter CE&P if I were on fire and it had the only water in the building. We get enough of the slop bucket overflowing into this forum. The hateful exchanges there are not appealing to me at all. I would not post in political topics here if the mods were to properly move the threads that are blatantly political, but they prefer to leave them here in Hot Topics where they will benefit the site from racking up post counts. Like most of our vices, I claim that I simply cannot help myself.

    As for missing the point, no, I have not. Political parties have always manipulated their constituents with various ploys. It is hardly surprising that the uneducated who know nothing about economics will parrot the party line about "job creators" or whatnot.

    The poor who vote Republican, whether it is because they are anti-abortion but trained not to say it, or hate Obama because they don't have any black friends and therefore find racism too easily, or because they believe those godless Democrats are going to approve gay marriage and bring down the Apocalypse on a "disobedient America," do so because the party has successfully tapped into some key issue.

    That we sympathize with the Left doesn't mean it has acted any more nobly, or that it broadly represents its constituent members any better. Such is the nature of coalitions. Both national parties fail abysmally at leading the country, especially in legislation. Both are woefully sold out to special interests, all of them economic. The recent debate on gun control is a perfect example. No real reform is even on the table. Under no scenario will they even consider banning existing automatic weapons like assault rifles. They'll waste time, make faux debate about this or than token word, and then pass a meaningless bill that will somehow still favor the big interests.

    Even the poor, or the toothless as some like to denigrate them, know that neither party represents them. Anyone finding it convenient to slander them for simply not agreeing with a particular policy is just dismissive. They are entitled to be as burned out and cynical as anyone on the left. Just because they are not educated doesn't make them lacking in wisdom when it comes to political treachery. After all, green advocates and civil libertarians have had to watch as Mr. Obama failed to deliver on ecology and alternative energy, as well as continuing torture of prisoners at black sites. No one gets what he voted for.

    I have voted third parties, liberal all, several times before Mr. Obama's nomination, and we still sorely need a range of parties to force the big two off the catbird seat.
    I disagree with any attempt to create false equivalency between the two parties, and Zogby showed in various studies during Bush's 2 terms that Republicans rather routinely misidentify Democratic platform issues as Republican ones at a rate far higher than Democrats misidentify their party platforms. If you want to discuss how there's more of a spin and misinformation machinery for the right that takes advantage of its poorer or less informed constituency, that is certainly a valid point, but to simply imply both sides do exactly the same thing is patently untrue. Equally I would disagree that to anywhere near a comparable degree the political left simply makes up false stats or relies heavily on sources of information repeatedly shown, even to the point of courtroom action, as disseminating information that is incorrect and politically slanted under the guise of impartial news reporting.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    My friends and I have developed a sliding scale rule, starting with at $10 tip, working downward for what ever point the server got wrong (inattentive service, etc.) But if the server is a guy I find cute, I'll admit, that $10 may jump to $15 or $20.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    I don't even know *why* we still have this sub-minimum wage tip-dependant strata of the service workforce, and only for certain jobs and not for others (bellboys, waiters, etc.) anymore. I can only attribute it to America's seeming and irrational belief that if costs of anything ever go up the world is going to tumble down, even if whatever extra we pay on a meal goes to someone who is going right out and spending it check to check and putting it right back into the economy.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by jdcnow View Post
    My friends and I have developed a sliding scale rule, starting with at $10 tip, working downward for what ever point the server got wrong (inattentive service, etc.) But if the server is a guy I find cute, I'll admit, that $10 may jump to $15 or $20.
    unh unh.

    You may be poor but you should be tipping 15% minimum for good service...up to 20% for spectacular service on the meal without the wine and tax..

    But as I noted earlier...I hate this system and wish we'd be more like Europe or even Australia on this matter.
    Last edited by rareboy; February 6th, 2013 at 03:12 PM.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    The entire concept of paying someone more because they're hawt (and it DEFINITELY happens, ask bartenders or ask any attractive female bartender) is degrading and a good case in point as to why this system is unfair and backwards. Someone could work just as hard (or more so), be overweight and ugly and get paid less as a result.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    unh unh.

    You may be poor but you should be tipping 15% minimum for good service...up to 20% for spectacular service on the meal without the wine and tax..
    Acutally, at the places my friends and I eat at, the math works out to where a $10 tip would actually be better than a 20% tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    . . . . Someone could work just as hard (or more so), be overweight and ugly and get paid less as a result.
    Or, they might collect more from pity tips.

    Or, “Let’s help this mutt get into accounting so we only have to look at it once a year.”

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kahaih View Post
    Or, they might collect more from pity tips.

    Or, “Let’s help this mutt get into accounting so we only have to look at it once a year.”
    Something tells me this never actually happens.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Didn't this thread start about something having to do with a chintzy ass pastor and
    her disgustingly unnecessary rude activities coupled with the service persons dumb
    move to make it public...

    BTW, tips in America used to mean
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