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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    And black history month is off to a rousing start. Fire everyone bitch.

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    She is a pastor. How do she give 10%?
    She meant she take 10% from other people.


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    I could care-less about the Pastor's comments and I don't care that he's a Fellow Christian.....Big Damn Deal...Christians have bad days to and maybe that was his....Waitresses deal with Jerks all day every day....This is NOT a News Flash...

    The Waitress that took the Cell-Pic of the note and BLASTED it online knowing the Pastors Name was visible DESERVED to lose her job. People have to learn to STOP using Cyber-Space as a way to vent Anger especially if it could lead back to your place of employment....

    The Waitress that was left the note got over it and went home that night and probably had a good time with her Life......

    Why feel sorry for the other chick that decided to involve herself when the Guy wasnt even HER customer....She's stupid....Let this be a learning lesson for her..She won't be putting Customers on Blast online anytime soon...And if she does it again she deserves to lose her job AGAIN...

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    ^^^so glad that some jubbers are more ignorant then others.

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    don't know if it's been mentioned yet because i didn't look through the entire thread. there's a lot of posts BUT the waiter that posted the note from the pastor has been fired.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...192100973.html

    what do you guys have to say about this?
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    Having bused tables before I can definitely say that the EXCEPTION are the few nice church people out there.

    As a rule, the nicer the suits and dress they wear, the lower the tip.

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    I once worked in a grocery store and lasted there for 3 months.

    This customer was returning a pack of ham slices which had gone bad before the expiration date. He kept it at room temperate and still demanded to get a full refund. When I told we couldn't refund it because it wasn't stored properly he became verbally offensive, threw it in my face and walked away. Real nice to get the rotten liquid on my face.

    I walked out and never returned and promised myself I would never do these type of jobs again.

    Of course I didn't do it only because of this incident but it was the tipping point. Going through psychological abuse daily is something I can't take for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    I once worked in a grocery store and lasted there for 3 months.

    This customer was returning a pack of ham slices which had gone bad before the expiration date. He kept it at room temperate and still demanded to get a full refund. When I told we couldn't refund it because it wasn't stored properly he became verbally offensive, threw it in my face and walked away. Real nice to get the rotten liquid on my face.

    I walked out and never returned and promised myself I would never do these type of jobs again.

    Of course I didn't do it only because of this incident but it was the tipping point. Going through psychological abuse daily is something I can't take for a long time.
    So sorry to hear that. My classmate work in a Mcdonald's branch before for about 3 months and he said he would never go back again. Some customers are just down right outrageous.

    When I eat wit my housemate she always leaves a lot of tips for the waiters and she used to be a waitress herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johaninsc View Post
    I could also say that MisterMajestic is a decent guy who speaks his own mind


    ...and that I don't consider him to be an ass kisser
    These kinds of comments are annoying because they make the implication everyone else doesn't speak their mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scealle View Post
    So sorry to hear that. My classmate work in a Mcdonald's branch before for about 3 months and he said he would never go back again. Some customers are just down right outrageous.

    When I eat wit my housemate she always leaves a lot of tips for the waiters and she used to be a waitress herself.
    It was usually worst between 4 pm and 7 pm because then frustrated people take it on staff that they had a bad day (at work).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    It was usually worst between 4 pm and 7 pm because then frustrated people take it on staff that they had a bad day (at work).
    Really? People should learn to not vent on others. There's something called exercise and punching bag
    For me it's the other way round though lol. The 2 times I went to a Fast food joint, once at Mcdonald's when I told the girl I wanted just the fries. She asked me "just fries only, nothing else?" in a very loud tone, then she glared at me for few seconds lol.
    The second time was when I wanted to cancel one of the orders. The person in charge reacted by punching on the order screen. And then slashing the card vigorously on the machine. I was like ok.....I felt pretty bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    It was usually worst between 4 pm and 7 pm because then frustrated people take it on staff that they had a bad day (at work).

    but she's a pastor and god is her lord.

    if she's frustrated then she should take it up with her boss.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Scealle View Post
    Really? People should learn to not vent on others. There's something called exercise and punching bag
    For me it's the other way round though lol. The 2 times I went to a Fast food joint, once at Mcdonald's when I told the girl I wanted just the fries. She asked me "just fries only, nothing else?" in a very loud tone, then she glared at me for few seconds lol.
    The second time was when I wanted to cancel one of the orders. The person in charge reacted by punching on the order screen. And then slashing the card vigorously on the machine. I was like ok.....I felt pretty bad
    There is something hardwired into our hierarchical societies, or, at the very least, as an extremely strong holdover from a more overtly hierchical past, where people feel that how they treat others can change based on a function of who they are, which in our society, is frequently tied to what they do and how much they make.

    I don't imagine a whole lot of dentists or accountants have clients come in in a bad mood and start screaming in their face or throwing things in their office, or just being generally super hostile from the beginning to the end of their meeting. It certainly wouldn't be the norm. In many service jobs, being abused by customers is the norm. Not the exception. Because most people feel, especially for as long as they're a customer (regardless of what they may do themselves professionally) that they are above the person they're dealing with.

    Laufey's example and your friend's experience at McDonald's are cases in point and much more typical in these kinds of jobs than in office jobs or professional jobs.

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    Re: Pastor Leaves Nasty No-Tip Note to Waitress, then Demands she be fired (article)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    ^that's the source of the debate, RJ.

    Most people feel that she didn't deserve it; a few do.

    I personally didn't see anything wrong with posting the check, except for the fact that she (originally) showed the pastor's name. That points to a breach of privacy, which leads the debate into murkier territory.

    My own take is that the words on the check aren't so much the issue--the issue is that the customer was a pastor. Pastors are supposed to act better.

    whoops, sorry for that, man.

    i agree with you on what you saying but being that the customer is a pastor, i think she should be put on full blast for that though. she's one of those folks that become a pastor or get involved with religion and preaching for the money.
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    ^oh come on hard wired to be rude and intolerant of others?

    this woman was a woman of god and she looks and behaves like a total child.

    the only hard wired in her is the lack of intelligence and normal behavior.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    ^oh come on hard wired to be rude and intolerant of others?

    this woman was a woman of god and she looks and behaves like a total child.

    the only hard wired in her is the lack of intelligence and normal behavior.
    So why do so many people abruptly lack intelligence and normal behavior around servicepeople in a way they don't demonstrate around professionals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    So why do so many people abruptly lack intelligence and normal behavior around servicepeople in a way they don't demonstrate around professionals?
    no one really does but we just focus on the few who behave badly.

    it's what we see and our perception of things.




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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    There is something hardwired into our hierarchical societies, or, at the very least, as an extremely strong holdover from a more overtly hierchical past, where people feel that how they treat others can change based on a function of who they are, which in our society, is frequently tied to what they do and how much they make.

    I don't imagine a whole lot of dentists or accountants have clients come in in a bad mood and start screaming in their face or throwing things in their office, or just being generally super hostile from the beginning to the end of their meeting. It certainly wouldn't be the norm. In many service jobs, being abused by customers is the norm. Not the exception. Because most people feel, especially for as long as they're a customer (regardless of what they may do themselves professionally) that they are above the person they're dealing with.

    Laufey's example and your friend's experience at McDonald's are cases in point and much more typical in these kinds of jobs than in office jobs or professional jobs.
    I see. I also want add that artists, especially those that freelance also tend to deal with a lot of clients the can be overly demanding and insults despite the low wager they pay. I don't like it when people treat people in the service fields badly. Without them who's going to take your order when you are rushing for a deadline at the drive through.

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    I got off a little bit on the wrong side of Johan by a political statement I'd made. ("I just can't understand why the toothless crowd would vote for a man who's worth $250 million, and got his fortune from putting people out of work.")

    He's never really forgiven me for that.
    I struggle to see the problem with your statement.....

    aaaaaaaand I can't see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreTTy PeTe View Post
    ^oh come on hard wired to be rude and intolerant of others?

    this woman was a woman of god and she looks and behaves like a total child.

    the only hard wired in her is the lack of intelligence and normal behavior.
    Do you think that pastor would have given the same treatment to the server had it been a member of her congregation? Do you think if she went to another church she would have put a card in the offering plate saying "I give God 10% at my church, so why should I give more at your church?" I don't think this woman lacks intelligence or is incapable of normal behavior. I think she saw someone who she considered below her and decided that her superior rank enabled her to treat the server like crap when it came to the tip. Why else would you make sure to add your title of Pastor to the signature? I would be interested in seeing what type of customer this pastor was throughout the whole meal.

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    I always get the feeling from your posts in HT that you're looking for a fight^.

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    He didn't feel comfortable with the "toothless" part. I guess he has a point…
    I don't think ANYONE feels comfortable about toothlessness. I've got a dental issue but none of my friends are prepared to tell me about theirs.

    I may have to start up a thread in the Health & Wellbeing forum.
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    I always get the feeling from your posts in HT that you're looking for a fight^.
    I think it's funny the impressions we have of one another, sometimes. I've always found johaninsc's posts to reflect a temperate good humor. Of course, those impressions can be reinforced one way or another over time.
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    We get one-dimensional impressions of human beings here. I hated one guy here 3 months ago but now I respect him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AshyPhoenix View Post
    This infuriates me. We treat people in the retail and service industry like they're not even people. It's disgusting and reprehensible.
    From someone who has been in retail for the past 11 years (too damn long for anybody), Thank You!


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    This pastor was in a public place being rude to an employee in public in front of other people sitting around her. Anyone, including another guest could have walked by and took a glance at what she left for a tip out of curiosity and posted that pic. Does she think she's entitled to go around leaving nasty notes to employees like that, and everyone is supposed to keep hush hush? It's unfortunate the employee got fired, but I'm sure she will find another job, particularly since most people seem to feel sorry for her. That pastor bitch on the other hand might as well forget about going out to eat anymore in the near future, nobody is going to want to wait on her ass knowing how she is.

    It's common knowledge that parties of 8 or more have gratuity automatically added to the check. I worked as a server and saw the same people come in over and over again and feign outrage over it and act like it's the first time they are finding out about it. It's restaurant policy, it's not the server's fault. They can't do anything about it and neither can the management because doing so would actually be considered discrimination.

    Policies like that are in place because otherwise, large parties of people have a tendency to screw the servers over on tips. Either one person pays the bill and gets sticker shock and doesn't want to leave a proportionate tip, or everyone gets separate checks and assume that all the other people will be leaving tips so they don't have to - then hardly anyone ends up leaving a tip.

    What you might call a "tip" the government calls them "wages" and the server is taxed on them. They are required to claim at least 8% of their total sales each day as tips/wages, even if they had a bad day and didn't actually make that much. So when you stiff over a server, not only did they not make any money off your table and wasted their time, they actually had to pay for the privilege to wait on you by getting taxed on wages they never received.

    Gratuity is part of the cost of dining out, period. If you cannot afford it, then you cannot afford to go out to eat. End of story. I tip *above* 15-20% if I get exceptionally good service, but I always leave at the very least 15%. They did wait on me, regardless of whether it was stellar or not. I don't expect people to wait on me for free.

    What makes this even worse, is that at many restaurants servers are also required to tip out the bussers, food runners and bartenders at the end of the night based off their total sales. So if they get stiffed on a table, they're still expected to tip all those other employees out too for doing their job.

    If you have a problem with how restaurants grossly underpay their employees and expect them to make a living off of gratuities alone, write a letter to their corporate headquarters expressing your concerns and/or refrain from patronizing them. Don't take it out on the servers after you've stuffed your face and hung out in their section for two hours chatting.

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    I'm not a fan of the tip system and I'm glad we don't have it here.

    I sometimes forget to tip when I'm traveling abroad... whoopsie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by inferno View Post
    It's common knowledge that parties of 8 or more have gratuity automatically added to the check. I worked as a server and saw the same people come in over and over again and feign outrage over it and act like it's the first time they are finding out about it. It's restaurant policy, it's not the server's fault. They can't do anything about it and neither can the management because doing so would actually be considered discrimination.

    Policies like that are in place because otherwise, large parties of people have a tendency to screw the servers over on tips. Either one person pays the bill and gets sticker shock and doesn't want to leave a proportionate tip, or everyone gets separate checks and assume that all the other people will be leaving tips so they don't have to - then hardly anyone ends up leaving a tip.

    What you might call a "tip" the government calls them "wages" and the server is taxed on them. They are required to claim at least 8% of their total sales each day as tips/wages, even if they had a bad day and didn't actually make that much. So when you stiff over a server, not only did they not make any money off your table and wasted their time, they actually had to pay for the privilege to wait on you by getting taxed on wages they never received.

    Gratuity is part of the cost of dining out, period. If you cannot afford it, then you cannot afford to go out to eat. End of story. I tip *above* 15-20% if I get exceptionally good service, but I always leave at the very least 15%. They did wait on me, regardless of whether it was stellar or not. I don't expect people to wait on me for free.

    What makes this even worse, is that at many restaurants servers are also required to tip out the bussers, food runners and bartenders at the end of the night based off their total sales. So if they get stiffed on a table, they're still expected to tip all those other employees out too for doing their job.

    If you have a problem with how restaurants grossly underpay their employees and expect them to make a living off of gratuities alone, write a letter to their corporate headquarters expressing your concerns and/or refrain from patronizing them. Don't take it out on the servers after you've stuffed your face and hung out in their section for two hours chatting.
    /standing ovation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcnow View Post
    /standing ovation...
    Seconded, hardcore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inferno View Post
    This pastor was in a public place being rude to an employee in public in front of other people sitting around her. Anyone, including another guest could have walked by and took a glance at what she left for a tip out of curiosity and posted that pic. Does she think she's entitled to go around leaving nasty notes to employees like that, and everyone is supposed to keep hush hush? It's unfortunate the employee got fired, but I'm sure she will find another job, particularly since most people seem to feel sorry for her. That pastor bitch on the other hand might as well forget about going out to eat anymore in the near future, nobody is going to want to wait on her ass knowing how she is.

    It's common knowledge that parties of 8 or more have gratuity automatically added to the check. I worked as a server and saw the same people come in over and over again and feign outrage over it and act like it's the first time they are finding out about it. It's restaurant policy, it's not the server's fault. They can't do anything about it and neither can the management because doing so would actually be considered discrimination.

    Policies like that are in place because otherwise, large parties of people have a tendency to screw the servers over on tips. Either one person pays the bill and gets sticker shock and doesn't want to leave a proportionate tip, or everyone gets separate checks and assume that all the other people will be leaving tips so they don't have to - then hardly anyone ends up leaving a tip.

    What you might call a "tip" the government calls them "wages" and the server is taxed on them. They are required to claim at least 8% of their total sales each day as tips/wages, even if they had a bad day and didn't actually make that much. So when you stiff over a server, not only did they not make any money off your table and wasted their time, they actually had to pay for the privilege to wait on you by getting taxed on wages they never received.

    Gratuity is part of the cost of dining out, period. If you cannot afford it, then you cannot afford to go out to eat. End of story. I tip *above* 15-20% if I get exceptionally good service, but I always leave at the very least 15%. They did wait on me, regardless of whether it was stellar or not. I don't expect people to wait on me for free.

    What makes this even worse, is that at many restaurants servers are also required to tip out the bussers, food runners and bartenders at the end of the night based off their total sales. So if they get stiffed on a table, they're still expected to tip all those other employees out too for doing their job.

    If you have a problem with how restaurants grossly underpay their employees and expect them to make a living off of gratuities alone, write a letter to their corporate headquarters expressing your concerns and/or refrain from patronizing them. Don't take it out on the servers after you've stuffed your face and hung out in their section for two hours chatting.
    Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inferno View Post
    ...What you might call a "tip" the government calls them "wages" and the server is taxed on them.
    ....at many restaurants servers are also required to tip out the bussers, food runners and bartenders at the end of the night based off their total sales....
    This is insane and wrong. If Obama fails on the gun problem, surely he could do something here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    This is insane and wrong. If Obama fails on the gun problem, surely he could do something here.
    Seriously if you think the restaurant industry could be easily reformed you just don't know how bad it is here. Restaurant owners practically already feel they're "handicapping themselves enough" having payrolled employees at all instead of completely under the table workers, and many restaurants have only undocumented employees. I agree it should be changed but people who think it should be easy just don't know how the restaurant industry is here in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    This is insane and wrong. If Obama fails on the gun problem, surely he could do something here.
    Move back to Borneo. When you live here speak. Until then shut the fuck up. Have a nice day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animalius View Post
    I waited tables my way through college. I can tell you that I always cringed inside when I saw a religious group coming in. They were usually rude and left very little tip.
    One of my closest friends said the SAME thing to me when we once went out for dinner. He used to wait tables so he brought it up in conversation. He said that the religious groups were rude as hell, considered themselves superior to every other customer in the place, treated the waiters like they were servants, and tipped close to nothing and sometimes nothing at all. He thought it's ironic given how almost all religions unanimously preach about being respectful and kind towards strangers.

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    The USA claims to be egalitarian but seems to be riddled with 'slave-like' working conditions for the poor.

    My federal government (inept as it is) at least set minimum wages back in the 1910s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    The USA claims to be egalitarian but seems to be riddled with 'slave-like' working conditions for the poor.

    My federal government (inept as it is) at least set minimum wages back in the 1910s.
    You even had a government back then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    The USA claims to be egalitarian but seems to be riddled with 'slave-like' working conditions for the poor.

    My federal government (inept as it is) at least set minimum wages back in the 1910s.
    Nobody disagrees with that. Least of all the people who've worked those jobs. Ask anyone who has worked for some of the "big box" retailers like Toys or Us or K Mart or similar. They'll tell you that while those companies have a structure in terms of "if you are here for 1 year you get a review and a raise, if you're here 2 years you qualify for benefits", etc. (I don't remember the exact details but it's something like that) so what they very frequently do is just keep people until the benchmarks and then either reduce their hours under full time, or fire them and re-hire someone new. And these are people making minimum wage or near to it in the first place.

    It's a problem across our entire economy, it doesn't end at restaurants, and it won't be easy to fix. It will require a change in social consciousness where people say "I am willing to pay more for my goods, food and services because I want people to live decently off providing them to me." Right now everyone will sit around and bitch about Wal*Mart or whatever else. But they'll shop there, because it's cheap, and their decision en masse to patronize those businesses or restaurants that use illegal labor or whatever else dictates the terms on which everyone else has to compete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    ... Barack Obama has cracked down in a major way on companies hiring undocumented workers.
    ...
    Are these people smuggled in from other countries without work visas? We have those rackets here
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    The USA claims to be egalitarian but seems to be riddled with 'slave-like' working conditions for the poor.

    My federal government (inept as it is) at least set minimum wages back in the 1910s.
    Goodness aches!


    Hasn’t the cost of living gone up considerably since then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahaih View Post
    Goodness aches!


    Hasn’t the cost of living gone up considerably since then?
    It's Pat. Make allowances

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ...It will require a change in social consciousness where people say "I am willing to pay more for my goods, food and services because I want people to live decently off providing them to me." Right now everyone will sit around and bitch about Wal*Mart or whatever else. But they'll shop there, because it's cheap, and their decision en masse to patronize those businesses or restaurants that use illegal labor or whatever else dictates the terms on which everyone else has to compete.
    Yes, that's what my parents told me. They said that goods were more expensive in their day when my country had its own manufacturing industry but goods were of better quality.

    Now everything is cheap and nasty and imported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Are these people smuggled in from other countries without work visas? We have those rackets here
    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Yes, Pat. They call the smugglers "coyotes",

    We must assign blame in the right spots, though. Wall Street brought them in for cheap labor.

    If nobody had ever been willing to employ them, they wouldn't have come in the first place. The business sector gets the lion's share of the blame.
    You guys are talking about two different things though. Small family restaurants don't pay Coyotes to go put a bunch of poor people in their sack and sneak them over to be their employees. It's more like the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Yes, that's what my parents told me. They said that goods were more expensive in their day when my country had its own manufacturing industry but goods were of better quality.

    Now everything is cheap and nasty and imported.
    Even if the U.S. did what Canada did and set a very high minimum wage, a problem we'd have on a level far beyond Canada would be how highly it would incentivize illegal immigrant labor or just "under the table" employment period, even for native borns. So it would have to be accompanied with a much stricter apparatus as far as employment checks and taxation checks/auditing processes to catch people who are running a business that requires 10 people but they're reporting 2 employees.

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    so it's economic globalisation now and the Orwell's prophecies from 1984 are coming to reality next
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    I've been in the food/customer service field since i've been working. There have been so many times i've been disrespected for no reason other than my job. I've been a server for the last 3 years i cant believe some of the shit people have put me through.

    One woman actually threw her drink on me because it wasn't fresh squeezed orange juice, i wasn't even the one that took the order FUCK we didn't even serve fresh squeezed. One Guy was paying for a group of 8, he argued with the manager got it removed and even told the group to not tip since it was already included. The last bitch i dealt started yelling at me about the onions on her omelet, i was sent home and then because she was a regular they tried to change my shift which i couldn't work.

    THE nerve of some people is unbelievable. I'm still looking for a job and fuck do i not want another customer service job. FUCK

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    It's instructive to read the links and watch the video.
    The pastor is an ill-educated, formerly homeless woman from the underclass trying to get ahead. In the interview she seemed nice enough, and impressively stupid. She appeared clueless, with no sense of irony.
    The server is better educated, from the middle class and trying to get ahead. In the interview she seemed nice enough, and reasonably intelligent. She appeared self-aware, with a strong sense of irony.
    The pastor would appear to be going nowhere; the server would appear to have a future.

    Everyone should check out bitterwaitress.com

    Everyone with a good-paying job should tip 20% minimum.

    Gay men have the reputation of being the best tippers. Single women and blacks the worst.

    There's a guide I've heard about with tips as to how to get better tips. Names on checks help, touching customer on the back helps also.
    If you're a guy with a female table, crouching down to talk to your customers at eye level is a very good tip generator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post
    ......touching customer on the back helps also.
    If you're a guy with a female table, crouching down to talk to your customers at eye level is a very good tip generator.
    I'd rather go to a self-service cafeteria than endure this type of vile, servile, fawning behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    A huge part of the problem lies in the fact that no one wants to stand up to China, who're cheating to Orwellian proportions.
    You are right.
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    if you don't tip me and come back I would then spit in your food.

    ignorant people should be treated with ignorance.




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