On-Topic Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

[palemale]

The immigration problem is the immigration. With millions of Americans unemployed and underemployed, we need a moratorium to give our people a chance. The reason the Democrats want immigration "reform" is that they want to rush illegals to voting status to join the class/race war and vote Democrat. Their idea of Democracy is that if the American people don't want the party's socialist agenda, flood the country with poor immigrants who will vote socialist.

Are you just another Tea Party bigot, Ben? Seriously? Here is how you find out. Do you agree with the following statement, or do you think it's bigoted:

The Tea Party is a movement devoting itself to the needed task of developing a genuine spirit of American patriotism. Tea Party members are to be examples of pure patriotism. They are to organize the patriotic sentiment of native-born Americans for the defense of distinctively American institutions. Tea Party members are dedicated to the principle that America shall be made American through the promulgation of American doctrines, the dissemination of American ideals, the creation of wholesome American sentiment, the preservation of American institutions.

 

[bike10]

To me Ann Coutler is nothing more then Rush Limbaugh in drag without the lard.

 

[HenryReardon]

. By the way, Mexicans are hispanic. This is just a fact.

I.

Look up the word Hispanic. It denotes a relationship to Spain or, in some definitions, to ancient Hispania, which comprised the Iberian Peninsula including the modern states of Andorra, Portugal, and Spain and the British Crown Dependency of Gibraltar. In recent decades it has been corrupted by some to refer to anyone who speaks Spanish, but this is not accurate.

 

[HenryReardon]

Shoot to kill? This isn't a dictatorship. Get real. One doesn't kill people who are just trying to find a better life. And this country isn't "yours". One doesn't own the entire country. This country is open for immigrants and was built by immigration... legal or otherwise.

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This county was not built by illegal immigration. If people want to come here, let them wait in line. It's that simple.

When they cross the border illegaly, they are breaking the law and should be sent packing.

Of course, the survival of the democrat party rests on there being a permanent underclass in this country, which explains their unwillingness to act.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Typical Republican mindset. Reality doesn't reflect my worldview so let's change reality to fit the worldview. Mexicans are now not hispanic because I choose to recognize only hispanics of a certain worldview that I agree with.

 

[Rolyo85]

This county was not built by illegal immigration. If people want to come here, let them wait in line. It's that simple.

When they cross the border illegaly, they are breaking the law and should be sent packing.

Of course, the survival of the democrat party rests on there being a permanent underclass in this country, which explains their unwillingness to act.

Yep, a permanent underclass. Also the middle class, the intellectual elite, people with college education, minorities... oh yes, and women... Poor Democrats, however shall they cope...

 

[Centexfarmer]

Why do the Republicans want immigration reform?

Republicans want a halt to illegal immigration. Others, with substantial immigrant numbers in their states are afraid to oppose the Democrat agenda.

Why do the Republicans want immigration reform?

To some, "reform" means limiting illegal immigration.

It appears that you are unwilling to acknowledge that Republicans want immigration reform. Instead you have introduced an alternate theme – limiting illegal immigration.

QFT = Quoted For Truth!

How should the US go about limiting illegal immigration?

To some, "reform" means limiting illegal immigration"

Telling Americans who use to belong to a Union to "Take an Immigrant JOB! You fucking LIBERAL leaches???

It's the DAILY DOUBLE!

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

This county was not built by illegal immigration. If people want to come here, let them wait in line. It's that simple.

So when the Europeans came here, they presented all the proper paperwork to the Native Americans, right?

 

[HenryReardon]

. People in Puerto Rico by the way are descended from African slaves... to a great degree. !

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That shows how much you know about Puerto Ricans. Yes, there are Puerto Ricans of mixed blood, and there are Puerto Ricans who trace their ancestry straight to Spain and who are as light skinned as any other Caucasian. In fact, members of the latter group tend to look down on members of the former.

 

[HenryReardon]

So when the Europeans came here, they presented all the proper paperwork to the Native Americans, right?

There is no such thing as a "Native American." The Indians were not native, they, too, came from somewhere else, but longer ago.

Your sophomoric argument won't wash.

 

[HenryReardon]

Yep, a permanent underclass. ...

The democrat party could not survive without an underclass that is dependent on government handouts for survival. It's their largest voter base.

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

The democrat party could not survive without an underclass that is dependent on government handouts for survival. It's their largest voter base.

Oh dear Henry, how soon you forget...

 

[xbuzzerx]

So when the Europeans came here, they presented all the proper paperwork to the Native Americans, right?

They also learned Tsalagi and Algonquin, clearly.

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

There is no such thing as a "Native American." The Indians were not native, they, too, came from somewhere else, but longer ago.

Your sophomoric argument won't wash.

So you agree that they were illegal immigrants, and therefore illegal immigrants were the foundation of America just like their fellow illegal immigrants Puritans and the British Colonists? Thanks for helping me make my point!

 

[Centexfarmer]

That shows how much you know about Puerto Ricans. Yes, there are Puerto Ricans of mixed blood, and there are Puerto Ricans who trace their ancestry straight to Spain and who are as light skinned as any other Caucasian. In fact, members of the latter group tend to look down on members of the former.

Yeah, in the world that you appear to live in.

There's not a huge "immigration" problem in Puerto Rico that last time that I was stationed there.

Unless you're a Columbian on your way to an American Prison.

Puerto Ricans are a lot like Native Texans; if you have a heritage that predates U.S. Government Involvement, then that history tends to supercede.

So far I'm not reading much that indicates that you have a leg to stand on in that argument.

There is no such thing as a "Native American." The Indians were not native, they, too, came from somewhere else, but longer ago.

So instead of a Century or two, you're arguing that those who came here during the last "Ice Age" took jobs and food away from those who were already living here?

Your sophomoric argument won't wash.

Wait!

What?

The democrat party could not survive without an underclass that is dependent on government handouts for survival. It's their largest voter base.

And the GOP couldn't survive without a group of Angry White Former Segrationists/Dixiecrats!

Between the two parties, which of the two do you think are going to die out first?

Hint: It ain't going to be the group that crossed over during the last "Ice Age."

 

[frankfrank]

QUOTE: HenryReardon

This county was not built by illegal immigration. If people want to come here, let them wait in line. It's that simple.

Actually, if you go back to the "seed people" - those who came "to America" in colonial (and pre-colonial Sixteenth Century) times - they were coming to a land where the concept of Nation-State was not really known. Therefore, the concept of "illegal immigration" likely didn't even exist. The closest to "illegal" would have been for the original inhabitants to be suspicious of newcomers, and perhaps try to chase them away.

As I understand it, though, the aboriginal peoples usually welcomed the newcomers openly - much to their detriment - which they did not foresee or imagine. Pogroms such as forced relocations or wholesale exterminations were also concepts which weren't commonly practiced in the Americas "in 1491" and I doubt the natives were prepared for such egregious human behaviour, but such stuff was already something which was already commonly practiced across much of Europe for many centuries prior.

And, as far as WAITING IN THE IMMIGRATION QUEUE, there is **no reason** why the necessary background checks, etc. should need to take more than THREE OR FOUR WEEKS. Perhaps much more of the immigration would be LEGAL-and-documented if the bottlenecks were resolved. With ubiquitous computer bases and such, this should be entirely fast and streamlined. This is the damned 21st Century. It shouldn't take DECADES for applications to be processed. This is entirely absurd. I was very happy to actually hear Obama talking about the awful delays, which I don't believe I ever heard mentioned by anybody in the discourse before this year.

 

[CowboyBob]

Do you notice the anger and desperation coming from the right wing since President Obama was re-elected? It appears they aren't having a very good time.

 

[Centexfarmer]

Do you notice the anger and desperation coming from the right wing since President Obama was re-elected? It appears they aren't having a very good time.

I'm still waiting for "News" that Ted Nuggent has renounced his citizenship, or that he's taken his own life as a martyr for "liberty."

I'd just be happy if they'd just shut the fuck up with their 'ignert' self-serving bullshit!

 

[xbuzzerx]

There are carbon dated campfire sites in South America that go back 60,000 years.

If that still qualifies as "just immigrants", then there's no such thing as a native anyone practically.

 

[Centexfarmer]

There are carbon dated campfire sites in South America that go back 60,000 years.

If that still qualifies as "just immigrants", then there's no such thing as a native anyone practically.

And you're just talking about those that weren't buried under the oceans after the ice caps melted!

But of course we've only been around for 2,000 years, and after the "Great Flood" so "science" is obviously 'tools of the devil.'