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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    You are correct, it should read "white Christian, originally Protestant majority."

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You are correct, it should read "white Christian, originally Protestant majority."
    To whom or what are you responding?

  3. #353

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You are correct, it should read "white Christian, originally Protestant majority."
    xbuzzerx pointed our that typing mistake to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Are you suggesting there is a correlation between a particular language and aptitude, general intelligence, or success?
    Absolutely not. But there is no question that some countries and cultures have been more successful than others, economically and in other respects. You can argue about the reasons, but I believe they are predominately cultural, and language is at least a distinguishing element or marker of the cultures.
    Last edited by Benvolio; February 9th, 2013 at 01:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    When low-skill jobs are taken by “guest workers,” the effect generally has an upward benefit for “native” workers at all skill levels. The guest workers create demand, which increases industry and productivity. If guest workers were not available, some jobs would simply cease to exist. After a certain wage point, it becomes more expedient to outsource those jobs to another country with lower wages. It’s just as likely for the work to go where the labor is as it is for labor to go where the work is.
    Both are happening. Cheap labor is coming here at the same time that jobs are being sent elsewhere to escape the many burdens of employment in the US. As a result we are building a large permanent underclass of poor and unemployed.
    Your argument suggests that wages in the US for unskilled workers are keeping up with inflation, does it not? I don't believe that is true. It also assumes that the creation of demand is all important. But how does population increase affect other problems? Are pollution, green house emissions, sewage, urban sprawl, etc improved or made worse by population growth? Is crime helped by population growth or increased by it. Americans are told that they must sacrifice to reduce emissions, even as we bring in millions of more people. Schools? The health care problem? All out problems and indeed the worlds problems are made worse by population growth.
    Last edited by Benvolio; February 9th, 2013 at 01:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Irrelevant, English is the de facto language of the U S and all Federal documents are in English. It is the official language of 33 states. More important, the English speaking culture has historically been the dominant culture, as in UK, Australia, New Zealand and most of Canada. I agree with your choice to come here rather than to a Hispanic country. Agreeing with your choice is not in any sense an attack on you.

    Your calling centexfarmer a troll was a personal attack.
    Irrelevant? The truth denial has gone far enough. This isn't an English speaking country. It's a multi-lingual country. Go to certain parts of this country and they may speak mostly Vietnamese or Thai... as is the case for certain parts of LA. One can feel like they are in a different part of the world. I'm sorry that one's world view is so incredibly narrow they cannot see that.

    What choice? My choice to come here rather than to a Hispanic country? don't disrespect me. I didn't come to America on the basis of that. That's utterly preposterous and ridiculous... and xenophobic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Because English is the Superior language and is spoken by the Superior cultures, duh. I thought it was obvious what he meant.
    70 years ago I'm sure he would have said German is the superior language and the Aryan people are the superior ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Both are happening. Cheap labor is coming here at the same time that jobs are being sent elsewhere to escape the many burdens of employment in the US. As a result we are building a large permanent underclass of poor and unemployed.
    Your argument suggests that wages in the US for unskilled workers are keeping up with inflation, does it not? I don't believe that is true. It also assumes that the creation of demand is all important. But how does population increase affect other problems? Are pollution, green house emissions, sewage, urban sprawl, etc improved or made worse by population growth? Is crime helped by population growth or increased by it. Americans are told that they must sacrifice to reduce emissions, even as we bring in millions of more people. Schools? The health care problem? All out problems and indeed the worlds problems are made worse by population growth.
    Earlier I was accused of personally attacking a mod. No I was not. We were poking fun at each other... and even had a few sexual comments... but I was kidding around. This post itself almost screams attack on an admin. For one, stop blaming immigrants for pollution and what-not. Open your eyes... the real polluters in this country are the big time consumers. In other words, the citizens who buy useless products or buy redundant products. How many cell phones can one buy? Immigrants usually have less money therefore spend less on gadgets. This may be going slightly off topic, but does one realize how many different kinds of metals are in a cell phone? Or the process to extract those ores from the ground?

    The real polluters and the real green house emitters are the citizens and the big businesses in this country. Immigrants contribute fractionally to that...

    And the crime rate has been declining in this country for decades, so that's another rubbish argument out the window. Immigrants actually commit less crimes than citizens (this was proven by a source prior in this thread, but I will repost it again):

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...han-americans/

    Again those pesky citizens are committing more crimes. Undocumented immigrants actually commit less crime according to several prestigious studies.

    At any rate to wrap this up... rich people pollute more... some say "what about China"? Rich people are the ones controlling those factories therefore proving my point. Wealthy countries still pollute more... and it's up to wealthy countries to reduce pollution not by limiting immigration, but rather by promoting high tech industries.

    Stop attacking the wrong set of people.
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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Dominance of Anglophone countries was not established until Waterloo in 1815, which until the present has not been the majority of time since Hispanophone countries began colonialism in the 15th century.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Absolutely not. But there is no question that some countries and cultures have been more successful than others, economically and in other respects. You can argue about the reasons, but I believe they are predominately cultural, and language is at least a distinguishing element or marker of the cultures.
    Utter nonsense. There are many Caucasian countries that are very poor like in Eastern Europe. And there are some Hispanic countries that are actually quite wealthy. Stop splitting hairs. Some cultures are definitely not more successful than others... wrong on ALL COUNTS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Utter nonsense. There are many Caucasian countries that are very poor like in Eastern Europe. And there are some Hispanic countries that are actually quite wealthy. Stop splitting hairs. Some cultures are definitely not more successful than others... wrong on ALL COUNTS.
    Compare Mexico's GDP of 1.15 triillion to Scandanavia's GDP of 1.37 trillion.

  12. #362

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    Most immigrants come here for superior economic advantages, but that is a function of culture, particularly a culture friendly to business and rewarding innovation. Other people could have invented telegraph, telephone, phonograph, electrical distribution and appliances, airplane, transistor etc etc, etc. but they did not. In many other instances inventions were made by other but developed, improved and mass produced in America. We did not invent the railroad, but we soon had more miles than he rest of the world combined. Ford did not invent the auto, but quickly revolutionized the world with his. Not the radio, but the vacuum tube which gave it sound. Not the computer, but the transistor which revolutionized electronics. We continue lead the world in innovation. Use google to see the namely prize winners in the sciences and medicine and you will see how the US and UK have dominated. Some by immigrants but working in the environment created by our culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Compare Mexico's GDP of 1.15 triillion to Scandanavia's GDP of 1.37 trillion.
    Why would that matter? And Scandinavia isn't a country. It still doesn't prove squat.

    What's the sixth largest economy in the world? Hmm... BRAZIL ($2.4 trillion). Oh and it's shooting up the rankings... and it's primarily mestizo.

    Some say it will certainly surpass France ($2.7 trillion) and then possibly surpass Germany in 10 years ($3.6 trillion).

    What are the 2nd and 3rd countries GDP wise? Anyone? I can tell they aren't Caucasian.

    Note: I'm using UN & World Bank Estimates roughly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Most immigrants come here for superior economic advantages, but that is a function of culture, particularly a culture friendly to business and rewarding innovation. Other people could have invented telegraph, telephone, phonograph, electrical distribution and appliances, airplane, transistor etc etc, etc. but they did not. In many other instances inventions were made by other but developed, improved and mass produced in America. We did not invent the railroad, but we soon had more miles than he rest of the world combined. Not the radio, but the vacuum tube which gave it sound. Not the computer, but the transistor which revolutionized electronics. We continue lead the world in innovation. Use google to see the namely prize winners in the sciences and medicine and you will see how the US and UK have dominated. Some by immigrant but working in the environment created by our culture.
    More utter nonsense. Immigrants don't come here because of culture. They bring their culture with them and that's what we see in the cities. They aren't assimilating. And many inventions actually came out of China (with gun powder and such) and later Japan. We don't see anyone slamming their fists on here about the superiority of Asians.

    By the way, who built the railroads in this country particularly on the west coast? Don't even get me started please. The rest of what has been posted are dubious claims not backed up by anything. And the US has fallen behind in innovation for several years because a lack of funding for research and development. One could thank that idiot Bush. This country has indeed fallen behind and will continue to fall behind unless action is not taken.

    Oh and nice one on the nobel prize winners... those awards aren't given out on merit, but rather skin color. Many Brazilian, Pakistani and Indian scientists have been completely ignored by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Why would that matter? And Scandinavia isn't a country. It still doesn't prove squat.
    Precisely my point.

    Mexico's GDP is comparable to three major European economies with all their natural resources and abundant human capital combined.

    We are arguing from the same side, I hope you know.

    What's the sixth largest economy in the world? Hmm... BRAZIL ($2.4 trillion). Oh and it's shooting up the rankings... and it's primarily mestizo.

    Some say it will certainly surpass France ($2.7 trillion) and then possibly surpass Germany in 10 years ($3.6 trillion).

    What are the 2nd and 3rd countries GDP wise? Anyone? I can tell they aren't Caucasian.

    Note: I'm using UN & World Bank Estimates roughly.
    I look forward to Brazil's eye popping growth, especially given its reliance on cleaner energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Precisely my point.

    Mexico's GDP is comparable to three major European economies with all their natural resources and abundant human capital combined.

    We are arguing from the same side, I hope you know.
    Sorry for the misinterpretation. I sometimes get caught up here...

    I look forward to Brazil's eye popping growth, especially given its reliance on cleaner energy.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazili...and_technology

    Brazil also has an extensive research and development sector in technology and science driven by government funding. America has lost touch with reality in that regard when it cuts PUBLIC R&D funding... government funding is viewed as evil in this country by certain political groups. At any rate, as far as Brazil in the last decade or so it's gained even more funding from the government given the economic boom. The economic boom only took a breather last year, but is back on track this year.

    Brazil could very well be the 3rd largest economy if it keeps up growth rates...

    Edit: The best part of Brazil's boom it's led by some commie socialists lulz...
    Last edited by GiancarloC; February 9th, 2013 at 02:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Sorry for the misinterpretation. I sometimes get caught up here...
    I see now how it was misconstrued.

    The comparison doesn't work in favor of either side really. It's just a point that disclaims superiority by either culture.

    In time, Mexico's will rise as well as it builds knowledge and expertise on top of a robust population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post

    In time, Mexico's will rise as well as it builds knowledge and expertise on top of a robust population.
    Mexico has a really resilient economy that's pulled through some crises (like the banking crisis in 1994 and the media driven bird flu scare a few years ago)... it's growing quite well despite problems with drug lords in the country.

    Colombia too is another economy on the bounce upwards as they reduce criminal elements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Mexico has a really resilient economy that's pulled through some crises (like the banking crisis in 1994 and the media driven bird flu scare a few years ago)... it's growing quite well despite problems with drug lords in the country.

    Colombia too is another economy on the bounce upwards as they reduce criminal elements.
    It's funny you mentioned Colombia as well. All three countries are on the way to marriage equality in the near future.

    No coincidence I think.

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    Which Hispanic countries would you consider rich, Giancarlo? Google, under Median Houshold Income shows:US 31,111; Spain 18,860, 7, 851; Chile 7,851; Mexico 4,689. These are 2007 figures, probably worse now. I agree with your decision to choose the US.

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    Look again, Giancarlo. I said most immigrants come here for "superior economic advantages". But a favorable cultural climate creates those advantages, encouraging innovation and free enterprise.
    Last edited by Benvolio; February 9th, 2013 at 02:59 PM.

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    Making 30k, your household is either living in Arkansas or living in destitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Which Hispanic countries would you consider rich, Giancarlo? Google, under Median Houshold Income shows:US 31,111; Spain 18,860, 7, 851; Chile 7,851; Mexico 4,689. These are 2007 figures, probably worse now. I agree with your decision to choose the US.
    Median house hold income? Is that the only figure one can bring up? LIVING COSTS ARE LOWER IN THOSE COUNTRIES. I'll keep it simple... $5 can buy more in Brazil or Chile than it can buy in the United States. Facts are a disturbing thing I know. Living costs, not median income. Pay attention.

    And how are they worse? Chile, Mexico and Brazil all had less severe economic recessions than other countries. $30,000 is poverty in this country. Thanks for playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Look again, Giancarlo. I said most immigrants come here for "superior economic advantages". But a favorable cultural climate creates those advantages, encouraging innovation and free enterprise.
    Baloney. And where is the response to the rest of my argument? Total utter failure. Brazil has a better atmosphere for investment and development than the United States right now, and Brazil is operated by some pinko commie socialists (using right winger logic).
    Last edited by GiancarloC; February 9th, 2013 at 03:02 PM.

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    So, since you claim that all those countries have economies equal to or better than ours, why do they come by the millions, with millions more wanting to come?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    So, since you claim that all those countries have economies equal to or better than ours, why do they come by the millions, with millions more wanting to come?
    Immigration is down to America. Not up. It's stalled out for several years now and people are actually leaving America. And millions of Brazilians aren't coming to the US. And even the largest immigrant group being Mexicans are actually seeing people leave this country. Immigration is in a decline to America and has been since about 2007. Thanks for the continued exaggerations and falsehoods.

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    I have to ask - where are all those untold millions of immigrants? I am beginning to imagine them as some nanomachine locust-like black cloud sandstorm that just engulfs cities and leave economic ruins...
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    Illegal immigration may or may not be down a little. Does someone stand at the border and count them as they sneak in? Or should we believe the immigration beaurocrats' estimate of the number of their failures. None the less they come in larges numbers, however fewer. No one claims it has stopped. Legal immigrants continue at about a million a year.

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    Again the falsehoods continue... remind me when some facts are finally presented, without posts riddled with typos and logic errors. There aren't "hoards of immigrants" coming in. And what's wrong with legal immigration? Thanks for the lack of logic.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Absolutely not. But there is no question that some countries and cultures have been more successful than others, economically and in other respects. You can argue about the reasons, but I believe they are predominately cultural, and language is at least a distinguishing element or marker of the cultures.
    Look at any corner of the world that is economically behind and like clockwork you'll be looking almost invariably at parts of the world that were systematically colonized, wrecked, plundered and finally "released" by colonial, usually European or western, countries which enriched themselves in the bargain.

    It might be prudent to examine that as a reason why they might be behind economically compared to the colonialist powers rather than reducing it to something moronic and simple like their language or 'culture' was what strip mined them and left them economically behind when entering the global economy.

    Unless of course, one doesn't wish to view it that way for personal bias reasons, in which case disregard everything said, naturally.

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    How were small numbers of Europeans able to colonize much larger populations of non Europeans? Cultural and therefore technological advancement. Firearms and naval advances were a big part of it. Why were Europeans so far ahead? The Renaissance--a big cultural change.
    Last edited by Benvolio; February 9th, 2013 at 06:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    How were small numbers of Europeans able to colonize much larger populations of non Europeans? Cultural and therefore technological advancement. Firearms and naval advances were a big part of it. Why were Europeans so far ahead? The Renaissance--a big cultural change.
    That didn't have anything to do with cultural or technological advancement. Most of that was related to disease. Many diseases Europeans were exposed to were not felt by those in other continents. By the way, the Europeans weren't always special. They almost got conquered themselves by the Mongols and Ottomans. The Ottomans for the longest period of time were the most advanced.

    By the way a great deal of scientific and medical achievement was more associated with Arabic Civilizations.

    Hit the history books.
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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Guy is clearly trolling and people keep responding. Unreal.

    We just made the GOP sit the fuck down. Why are we still talking to them as if their opinions matter? Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
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    How were small numbers of Europeans able to colonize much larger populations of non Europeans? Cultural and therefore technological advancement. Firearms and naval advances were a big part of it. Why were Europeans so far ahead? The Renaissance--a big cultural change.
    If you use technology at any given moment as a sign of some kind of innate superiority then Europe was inferior to Arabs and Asians for the great majority of world history.

    Care to comment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    Guy is clearly trolling and people keep responding. Unreal.

    We just made the GOP sit the fuck down. Why are we still talking to them as if their opinions matter? Seriously.
    I stopped bothering to post in this thread. I just come here to laugh at Benny regurgitate the same StormFront propaganda over and over again.

    I say this to you as a friend, Giancarlo: When someone keeps answering 2 + 2 = 5 after you keep repeatedly showing him that 2 + 2 = 4, it's time to go home, put an Al Green record on and take a nice hot bath.

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    Yes, the Arabs had a period of cultural advancement, with several inventions, but then they became stagnant, apparently as a result of the increasingly authoritarian power of the Muslim clerics. China as well had such a period long ago, but went stagnant, even as Europe stagnanted during the Dark Ages after the fall of Rome, and prior to the European Renaissance.

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    And again the historical revisionism continues. Pick up a history book please. Not the same old distorted falsehoods.

    Yes, you're right Fury... perhaps I need to take that advice. It's not worth it.

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    Strange that you would invoke Mathematics, Fury. If we have too many poor people,then bring in millions of additional poor people, we will have more poor people than before. It always astonishes me that I must argue propositions that are obvious and indisputable.

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    Those propositions posted are outright false and not based on any sense of reality. Have fun with that.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Yes, the Arabs had a period of cultural advancement, with several inventions, but then they became stagnant, apparently as a result of the increasingly authoritarian power of the Muslim clerics. China as well had such a period long ago, but went stagnant, even as Europe stagnanted during the Dark Ages after the fall of Rome, and prior to the European Renaissance.
    No they didn't. They were set back and didn't recover for almost a millenium from the conquest of the Mongols, which wrecked the Middle East and completely bypassed Europe because Europe was a backwards, over-forested barbaric land useless for horses and too poor to be worth conquering. The riches and civilization and everything worth plundering was in the Middle East, not Europe, and the degree to which the Mongols devastated them is only very passingly mentioned in western history. The Mongols in many cases eradicated entire cities down to the last man, woman and child. And that was also frequently their reaction to any uprising against their rule, as well. They would even pull their army out of a sacked city for 3 days, to let any who escaped or survived go back home, and then return and re-raze it and kill everyone they could find.

    But I'm sure, more than that, their "culture" (which had put them virtually at the forefront of human progress) suddenly stagnated them to death. Sure.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Ugh, you almost make it sound like Anglo-Saxon culture isn't inherently better by virtue of its very genetics than any other in the world. Have you no decency?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Again those pesky citizens are committing more crimes. Undocumented immigrants actually commit less crime according to several prestigious studies.
    A local study found that this is true here, and that when illegals do commit crime the crimes tend to be mostly petty ones; the exceptions tend to be aggravated assault and rape. There is far more trouble from those who believe that this country should be "white and Christian".

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Utter nonsense. There are many Caucasian countries that are very poor like in Eastern Europe. And there are some Hispanic countries that are actually quite wealthy. Stop splitting hairs. Some cultures are definitely not more successful than others... wrong on ALL COUNTS.
    Yep. Consider Brazil: one of the fastest growing economies in the world, actually paying down its national debt, and steadily climbing the ladder of the most productive and prosperous.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Most immigrants come here for superior economic advantages, but that is a function of culture, particularly a culture friendly to business and rewarding innovation. Other people could have invented telegraph, telephone, phonograph, electrical distribution and appliances, airplane, transistor etc etc, etc. but they did not. In many other instances inventions were made by other but developed, improved and mass produced in America. We did not invent the railroad, but we soon had more miles than he rest of the world combined. Ford did not invent the auto, but quickly revolutionized the world with his. Not the radio, but the vacuum tube which gave it sound. Not the computer, but the transistor which revolutionized electronics. We continue lead the world in innovation. Use google to see the namely prize winners in the sciences and medicine and you will see how the US and UK have dominated. Some by immigrants but working in the environment created by our culture.
    And how are those record miles of high-speed rail doing lately?

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    By the way, who built the railroads in this country particularly on the west coast?
    Socialism did it.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Brazil has a better atmosphere for investment and development than the United States right now, and Brazil is operated by some pinko commie socialists (using right winger logic).
    The World Bank rates Brazil as 130th on their "ease of doing business" scale -- not exactly in the upper ranks. The US is rated fourth.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Strange that you would invoke Mathematics, Fury. If we have too many poor people,then bring in millions of additional poor people, we will have more poor people than before. It always astonishes me that I must argue propositions that are obvious and indisputable.
    The US had gobs of poor people. Then it brought in poor Italians, poor Irish, poor Germans, poor Chinese... and ended up0 with a smaller portion of poor people than before.

    Maybe we should import more poor people!

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Socialism did it.
    I was referring to Chinese immigrants, mainly the undocumented ones... but yea that is perhaps true.

    The World Bank rates Brazil as 130th on their "ease of doing business" scale -- not exactly in the upper ranks. The US is rated fourth.
    I question the World Bank as to their logic in that ranking. Brazil seems to be having many new businesses open up with government support. The economy took a breather last year, but is back on track. Regardless it's strange they put it at 130th, yet it's economy has increased to the 6th or 7th largest in the world powered by a mixture of economic growth that remains within the limits of respecting its people.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The US had gobs of poor people. Then it brought in poor Italians, poor Irish, poor Germans, poor Chinese... and ended up0 with a smaller portion of poor people than before.

    Maybe we should import more poor people!
    Please remember that the immigration you describe facilitated the discrimination against African Americans, who made little progress during that period. Employers needing workers could and did hire immigrants rather than African Americans. In those olden days of yore, the government was friendly to business, not the enemy, and labor unions were weak. Foreign competition did not exist. Now that combination has destroyed much of our heavy industry. Even the advocates of immigration say they are here for very low paying jobs, even as government burdens force such jobs overseas.

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    The US had gobs of poor people. Then it brought in poor Italians, poor Irish, poor Germans, poor Chinese... and ended up0 with a smaller portion of poor people than before.

    Maybe we should import more poor people!
    The Irish were instrumental in building the labor movement. Three of the five presidents of the AFL-CIO were Irish Americans from the Bronx.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by FuryOfFirestorm View Post
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    I say this to you as a friend, Giancarlo: When someone keeps answering 2 + 2 = 5 after you keep repeatedly showing him that 2 + 2 = 4, it's time to go home, put an Al Green record on and take a nice hot bath.
    The problem is this: Giancarlo is the one who's insisting that 2 + 2 = 5.

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