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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post

    Even if that were true, and it arguably is not, (BTW, you've provided absolutely no reliable proof to the contrary)the fact remains that the illegals have broken our laws in coming here. Nothing else matters. Nothing. Send them back where they came from,and if they really want to come to this country, let them attempt to do so through channels. No other argument matters. Not one.
    Their children haven't broken any laws though.
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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Even if that were true, and it arguably is not, (BTW, you've provided absolutely no reliable proof to the contrary)the fact remains that the illegals have broken our laws in coming here. Nothing else matters. Nothing. Send them back where they came from,and if they really want to come to this country, let them attempt to do so through channels. No other argument matters. Not one.
    Yes, some immigrants are committing a crime by illegally entering America.

    But how can we stop them all? Shooting them on sight?

    Nope. Even the US couldn't get away with that shit.

    Maybe we should build a wall?

    Oh yeah - China and Germany tried that and failed.

    Perhaps we should readjust our laws to make sure that foreigners can legally move and reside in our country, so they can positively contribute to society? One way or another, if a foreigner wants to escape an oppressive country, they will find a way here. Thousands of Cubans have traversed 90 miles of shark-infested waters just to make it to the shores of Florida, risking death rather than living under the boot of Castro for one more day. Thousands of Mexicans risk life and limb crossing miles of desert and the hazardous waters of the Rio Grande to get here, or spend all their savings to pay "Coyotes" to sneak them past the border. I'd say those people really, truly wanted to live in America in the hopes of something better - just like the Puritans and the British Colonists did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    False on all counts. I have provided solid evidence and proof showing how they are essential. We're talking about $2.6 trillion over the next ten years that would be wiped out. It means absolutely everything. The economy would fall back into a deep recession. Having a contraction in the GDP at that level would lead to a severe recession. sending people back to where they came from is nothing more than a xenophobic response and isn't how the real world works.

    Better to have a nation with more open borders... a nation with closed borders is a dying nation. The Chinese closed off their civilization and it led once great Empires to total decline.

    And yes, plenty of other arguments matter... just not the one that you have posted here which is absolutely meaningless.

    The problem here is right wingers are scared that they are becoming an ever decreasing minority of the constituency. Their screwball candidates can no longer win. It's a scary prospect. Romney won the same percentage of white voters as Reagan did... one won in a landslide and the other lost big time. Scary for the right wing these days... not like I give a shit. I hope this nation becomes 40-50% Latino in 20 years, and the Republicans go out the same way as the Whigs. Yeah, all the brown people hating the GOP does will go out the window.
    So, what latin country do you think we should be like? Mexico perhaps with its huge crime problem. Venezuela? El Salvadore? Which country has a first world economy? Which has a median income more than, say, a third of ours? Which has had a democracy more than 10 years--one party "democracies" don't count.
    You and I agree on only one thing. If I were emigrating, I would want to go an English speaking country, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, US. Like you, I would not choose a Latino one.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    So, what latin country do you think we should be like? Mexico perhaps with its huge crime problem. Venezuela? El Salvadore? Which country has a first world economy? Which has a median income more than, say, a third of ours? Which has had a democracy more than 10 years--one party "democracies" don't count.
    You and I agree on only one thing. If I were emigrating, I would want to go an English speaking country, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, US. Like you, I would not choose a Latino one.
    ... what?

    I don't even understand the point of this rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ... what?

    I don't even understand the point of this rant.
    I was responding to Giancarlo's eager prediction of a Latino majority .

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ... what?

    I don't even understand the point of this rant.
    Here you go, buzzer - this should adequately convey your confusion:


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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Even if that were true, and it arguably is not, (BTW, you've provided absolutely no reliable proof to the contrary)the fact remains that the illegals have broken our laws in coming here. Nothing else matters. Nothing. Send them back where they came from,and if they really want to come to this country, let them attempt to do so through channels. No other argument matters. Not one.
    Maybe in right-wingnut pseudo-conservative la-la-land.

    Ideally, you're right. But government is supposed to benefit its citizens, not do them harm -- and to round up all the illegals and ship them off would do immense harm to many citizens. The illegals must be penalized, but not in a fashion that harms citizens. Thus the sensible solution is penalties in place; the best approach would be fines which could be paid into an untouchable principal Medicare endowment fund or something.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Ideally, you're right. But government is supposed to benefit its citizens, not do them harm -- and to round up all the illegals and ship them off would do immense harm to many citizens. .
    "immense harm to citizens?" I rather doubt it. It would free up millions of jobs Millions. Perhaps some of the millions of able bodied citizens currently receiving welfare could be 'encouraged' to take those jobs. It would be a win win situation for Americans.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    ". Those jobs are not wanted by citizens. And if citizens were to take them they would demand higher wages and benefits... suddenly food prices would increase sharply..
    "Not wanted by citizens?" That is where the bullshit appears. That is a total liberal conceit.
    If citizens take the jobs and prices do eventually rise as a result, it's more than a bit hypocritical of you to complain.
    On the other hand, it is a fact that some jobs are only worth so much. People who are hungry will take them. Of course, they might have to be weaned from the government teat first, but that too, would be a good thing.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    . The jobs are not going to be filled by citizens..
    You cannot know that, because it is impossible to prove.
    Send the illegals home and see what happens.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Get some real proof, and I have already provided the evidence. How is it impossible to prove? Go and apply for one of those jobs then!
    You have provided zero evidence of anything, let alone the topic at hand.
    There's no way to prove that Americans will do those jobs until the illegals are gone and the jobs become vacant. And maybe not until the Government welfare teat runs dry.
    Why would I apply for one of them? I don't need a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    What the heck? What's the point and where is the evidence? I'm not talking about El Salvador. By the way, anyone could bring up Costa Rica and render your whole argument moot. Nobody cares about the xenophobia that is evident in that country. People made the same old ridiculous claims about Italy. Why allow those Italians into the US? They are from a country that has an unstable government and periods of dictatorship! Italians at one point were discriminated the same way... even called wops and dirty.

    Same f-king shit, different day.

    English speaking countries are not that stable. I would choose a Latino one any day. They have more culture... and nobody cares what country one would choose to go to. Get something real please.

    Costa Rica has been democratic for a very long time and doesn't even have a standing military. They abolished it. Maybe the US could learn a thing or two.
    You cheerfully predicted that the US would be another Latino majority country, so my questions are appropriate. It is easy to to say you would choose a Latino country. But, given the choice, you did not. You actions belie your words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Oh total nonsense. There is actual proof for what I have said. I would given the choice, and look at where I live... so spare me this bullshit. That attempt to pick at my credibility is so weak and pathetic.

    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/new...s-bureau-says/

    In California whites already lost the majority status.

    Such a weak, feeble personal attack... seeing as those weak, xenophobic attacks are TYPICAL. And what fucking questions? I didn't see any valid ones.
    You and all those untold millions of Latinos are here because you fled your failed Latino countries in favor of an infinitely more successful English speaking country. You actions belie your words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You and all those untold millions of Latinos are here because you fled your failed Latino countries in favor of an infinitely more successful English speaking country. You actions belie your words.
    Racist comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Racist comment.
    There is some validity to his comment like any racist stereotype but it is still uncalled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    There is some validity to his comment like any racist stereotype but it is still uncalled.
    Spin it all you want, but it was a racist comment. He makes them all the time.

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    No, Latino is not a race. It is a culture. Giancarlo started the discussion when he first predicted the triumph of the Latino invasion. Why did you not object to that as racist? Why is it racist, in your mind, only when it is pro American?

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    No, Latino is not a race. It is a culture. Giancarlo started the discussion when he first predicted the triumph of the Latino invasion. Why did you not object to that as racist? Why is it racist, in your mind, only when it is pro American?
    I am still butthurt over the fact that I got a 3 on the AP Spanish language exam and did not count towards college credit.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    . Americans would never take those jobs. .
    Your often shown chart is merely an attempt at dissembling and has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
    It's just the same old nonsense about which state gives more than it gets and had zero to do with anything.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You and all those untold millions of Latinos are here because you fled your failed Latino countries in favor of an infinitely more successful English speaking country. You actions belie your words.
    You mean like how Germans, Irish, Italians, English, Scandinavians, Russians, Ukranians, European Jews, Dutch and every manner of European working class people fled the cesspools of their home countries during the industrial revolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    No, Latino is not a race. It is a culture. Giancarlo started the discussion when he first predicted the triumph of the Latino invasion. Why did you not object to that as racist? Why is it racist, in your mind, only when it is pro American?
    If you want to get technical there are no "races" at all, only the human race. But for the purposes of political discussion, and race in that context is always socially constructed, they are a race or a separate ethnic group treated as a stand alone race on virtually any official form today in the United States.

    So what's your point?

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    If you want to get technical there are no "races" at all, only the human race. But for the purposes of political discussion, and race in that context is always socially constructed, they are a race or a separate ethnic group treated as a stand alone race on virtually any official form today in the United States.

    So what's your point?
    No, there is a difference between race and culture. When you call everything racist with which you disagree, you trivialize actual racism. If everything is racism, it becomes unimportant.
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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    The problem here is right wingers are scared that they are becoming an ever decreasing minority of the constituency
    I bet, in a parallel universe where Mexicans (the most-blamed nationality) and other Latinos overwhelmingly vote instead for Republicans, the Republicans would be welcoming them with open arms. Not only would it allow the corporations to run roughshod over the workers by paying near-slave wages to more and more immigrants and thus allow their campaign contributors to really roll in the profits by cutting costs and eliminating all benefits, but the Republicans would get more and more votes. A sure win-win for the Republicans...but not in THIS particular parallel universe that we are familiar with.

    Of course, in that other parallel universe, it would then be the DEMOCRATS screaming about immigration reform and restrictions, Papers-Please laws, etc. as much as possible. Both Parties indeed have vested interests in this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    If I were emigrating, I would want to go an English speaking country, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, US. Like you, I would not choose a Latino one.
    For those of us whose first/main language is English, many of us are going to TEND to prefer an English-speaking destination. (I've seen some reference to you possibly being an immigrant in some way, but I'm not entirely clear on that, therefore I'm also not 100% sure your first language is English, but I feel pretty confident that it is.) Yes, my first language is English. No other language even CLOSE. Spanish is the only other language I know more about than what turns up in crossword puzzles and such, and my knowledge of Spanish is only a tiny fraction of my English knowledge.

    As such, if I were to move to another nation/country, all of my top choices would be ones where English is spoken, at least enough to get along in daily life.

    If my first (or equal) language was Spanish instead, it's very possible that I would have, by now, started working ACTIVELY on moving to another country - probably Uruguay or Chile.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    If they are caught they do get penalized in this system. But I think the system should actually make it easier for people to come in and go through the processes, including apply for a green card or citizenship if possible. My friend who was brought here when he was very young (I think 11 years old, but I need to ask him again) needs to have the ability to apply in a more efficient way. The permit law (deferred action) that was signed in is going to be a help, but he's still waiting to hear back from the government... and they said they received his application back in November.

    It's not an easy task, nor is it affordable for many to apply. Even the deferred action was far from cheap.
    Well, if they got his application in November, he will probably get his approval in 2029 or something.

    I still see NO reason why the approval process should take more than a month, with computers being EVERYWHERE!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    No, there is a difference between race and culture. When you call everything racist with which you disagree, you trivialize actual racism. If everything is racism, it becomes unimportant.
    But that isn't what's going on here. What's going on here is using code talk to attack the "culture" when you're really attacking an ethnic group of people. That's been the code language of all racists ever since the discreditation of biological racism after WWII. You can always spot a racist by taking their attacks on a group's "culture" and simply replacing it with their "race" and it would look exactly like what racists would have said in the 1930's or 1940's. Whether it's saying their "culture" produces more crime or their "culture" causes a lower education or whatever else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    False on all counts. I have provided solid evidence and proof showing how they are essential. We're talking about $2.6 trillion over the next ten years that would be wiped out. It means absolutely everything. The economy would fall back into a deep recession. Having a contraction in the GDP at that level would lead to a severe recession. sending people back to where they came from is nothing more than a xenophobic response and isn't how the real world works.

    Better to have a nation with more open borders... a nation with closed borders is a dying nation. The Chinese closed off their civilization and it led once great Empires to total decline.

    And yes, plenty of other arguments matter... just not the one that you have posted here which is absolutely meaningless.

    The problem here is right wingers are scared that they are becoming an ever decreasing minority of the constituency. Their screwball candidates can no longer win. It's a scary prospect. Romney won the same percentage of white voters as Reagan did... one won in a landslide and the other lost big time. Scary for the right wing these days... not like I give a shit. I hope this nation becomes 40-50% Latino in 20 years, and the Republicans go out the same way as the Whigs. Yeah, all the brown people hating the GOP does will go out the window.
    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    But that isn't what's going on here. What's going on here is using code talk to attack the "culture" when you're really attacking an ethnic group of people. That's been the code language of all racists ever since the discreditation of biological racism after WWII. You can always spot a racist by taking their attacks on a group's "culture" and simply replacing it with their "race" and it would look exactly like what racists would have said in the 1930's or 1940's. Whether it's saying their "culture" produces more crime or their "culture" causes a lower education or whatever else.
    Hogwash. While Giancarlo is applauding the impending Latino majority, you, and he, are attempting to foreclose discussion of it by labeling the contrary view as racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    No, Latino is not a race. It is a culture. Giancarlo started the discussion when he first predicted the triumph of the Latino invasion. Why did you not object to that as racist? Why is it racist, in your mind, only when it is pro American?
    Giancarlo predicted the rise of the careers of Jennifer Lopez, Ricky Martin, Enrique Iglesias, and Marc Anthony in 1999? That is AMAZING.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    TIME OUT!

    I've had similar discussions privately with almost every poster who's made the past half dozen or so posts here.

    I've even tossed a few infractions in both directions.

    Each of you know who you are.

    But if some of y'all are going to Post Report, then defend after the fact, there's not much that I can do as a Moderator other than to delete posts, close the thread, or ban and/or infract posters.

    <sigh>

    To both sides of this debate, much of what has been shared is the reality of the dialogue on this issue.

    At least as I personally see it here in Texas.

    There are not ABSOLUTES!

    From where I come from Hispanic Immigrants are migrating here, and seem to be pissed that we're not doing MORE to accommodate their being here!

    Including learning their shit language, known here in Texas as "Mexican."

    When most Hispanic Immigrants from Central and South America speak true Castilian Spanish.

    My response?

    If I moved to Mexico City, I'm willing to bet that I wouldn't find anything written in English, I wouldn't have any benefits, and would be mocked and ridiculed for not being able to speak "Mexican."

    As opposed to my trips to Columbia, Venezuala, Hondorus, and Chile where my attempts at Hable Espanol were welcomed.

    So yeah, there's some historical "racists" divisions between the Americano and Mexicano boarders, so let's not overlook those realities as well.

    Just saying...
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    Donde hay fe,
    Hay amore.
    Donde hay amore,
    Hay Pas,
    Donde hay pas,
    Esta Dios.
    Donde esta Dios,
    No falta nada.

    Amen

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Donde hay fe,
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    Hay Pas,
    Donde hay pas,
    Esta Dios.
    Donde esta Dios,
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    Amen

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    Amen!

    There seems to be a lot missing in this debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    Amen!

    There seems to be a lot missing in this debate.
    Yeah, te doy las gracias a la me escuela secundaría por las oraciónes.

    It has be subjugated to me that in fact, the "Español" I learned was "Spanish" and not "Mexican".

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Hogwash. While Giancarlo is applauding the impending Latino majority, you, and he, are attempting to foreclose discussion of it by labeling the contrary view as racism.
    That is what people on the left do when they're losing an argument - they cry racism to stop the conversation. Typical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    That is what people on the left do when they're losing an argument - they cry racism to stop the conversation. Typical.
    The one thing a racist hates more than a person from another race, is being called a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post

    MEXICANS SPEAK SPANISH. THIS IS FACT. I'm utterly shocked by what some say. I wouldn't go to Texas and say people speak Texan... and not English... would I?
    Regarding that point, I've heard more "racist" comments from Central and South American Spanish speaking individuals from Countries outside of Mexico, than I've heard from right wing bigots here in the States.

    I'm just saying there must be a "cultural and language divide" somewhere, because in this Hemisphere I'm glad I'm not a Mexican Immigrant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    What a NON-point. I'm absolutely horrified by what was said.

    There are language divides even within Spanish speaking countries, including in Spain. Seriously shocked by that comment. It has absolutely no basis in reality.
    What Mexicans speak is SPANISH. It may be slightly different, but it's still SPANISH.

    And I am not interested in anecdotal statements. Most people I know from South and Central America are fine with Mexicans. And as a Spanish person, I am PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE around Mexicans... and many of my friends are Mexican
    .
    Bullshit!

    DON'T GET ME WRONG!

    I have more friends who trace their heritage back to Mexico than I do friends who trace their heritage back to Europe.

    I employ more people who who's parents originate from Mexico (Legal or Not), who feel the same as I do.

    So get your European Spanish Sensibilities in a wad all that you want, I'm just suggesting that you might not fully understand the historical dynamics of this side of the world as much as you might like to champion or defend what you (justifiably) consider an attack against a group that's considered "different."
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    ^ Dude!

    I'm not trying to say that you're perspective or perception is wrong because it's different from mine.

    But I am saying that THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTES!

    Even regionally, and within different demographics, just because many of us share the same skin color, or might even speak the same language, doesn't mean that we all agree.

    I figured that out of all of the posters who've posted in this thread thus far, you'd be the one to recognize that.
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    There is actually a hard definition of what a language is, and I'm operating off memory, but if it's mutually intelligible then it's different dialects at best, not separate languages.

    Cubans, Argentinians and Mexicans would all recognizes differences in accent and certain words they use, but would be able to speak to each other... in Spanish.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Mexico:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico

    ...is the world's eleventh most populous country and the most populous Spanish-speaking country.


    Texas-speak:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Texas

    Not to mention: fuutbawl, Bapteest, Dubya, Ayl-emo, ya'll, sheee-it!


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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I want to see where I ever said that all Latinos agree on everything. Where did I say that? Even in Spain, we have major political differences in the country and our asshole prime minister just got embroiled in a corruption scandal. There are differences in opinion in EVERY COUNTRY. It's human nature. But the overall trend for most Latin American countries is to the POLITICAL LEFT.
    And most Islamist are Secular.

    And we see where that's gotten them.

    Really the only thing I said is that Mexicans speak Spanish, and for anyone that says otherwise... malarkey.
    What's the Spanish translation for an Irish term like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Texas-speak:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Texas

    Not to mention: fuutbawl, Bapteest, Dubya, Ayl-emo, ya'll, sheee-it!

    FUN FACT!

    Whenever anyone in North America buys something from China where "some assembly" is required, the instructions are printed in ONLY three languages; Spanish, English, and French.

    Why?

    Because those are the three most dominant languages in North America!

    Not Mexican.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Nice troll...
    You're calling me a "troll?"



    Thank you for that!

    I haven't laughed that hard all week!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I'm talking about the political trend in most Latin American countries. But I do like the leftist government in Brazil has done... Lula was more effective than Rousseff... but they have 4.9% unemployment and about +3% GDP growth (could be even higher this year... some say +4 to +5%)... also reduced crime and made cities nicer. Millions of Brazilians have entered in the middle class. While a certain guy from Crawford spent years destroying the middle class in America...
    BINGO!

    And now we're back on topic!

    I read recently a report where most Brazilian Nationals are returning home.

    Which proves to me that it's really about economics.

    I honestly believe that the whole topic of American "Immigration Reform" is more about politics than economics.

    Republicans want "immigrants" to keep the cost of labor down, and Democrats want "immigrants" as a potential voting bloc.

    None of which has anything to do with the American "Middle Class."
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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    And most Islamist are Secular.

    And we see where that's gotten them.



    What's the Spanish translation for an Irish term like that?
    pamplina = the droppings of the bull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Um what about economics? I've been talking about economics for about 5 or 6 pages now... as well as other factors.
    You may have started out discussing that as your premise, but you've allowed yourself to get bogged down (distracted) with/by 'trolls.'

    Nice attempt at a "save" there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    FUN FACT!

    Whenever anyone in North America buys something from China where "some assembly" is required, the instructions are printed in ONLY three languages; Spanish, English, and French.

    Why?




    Because those are the three most dominant languages in North America!

    Not Mexican.

    What aboot Canadian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    pamplina = the droppings of the bull.
    There ya go!

    Now there's someone who knows how to speak some Spanglish!
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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I've been consistent with my argument even when responding to them.
    Well clearly I just stepped into this discussion without having read the whole thread (327 posts in), but honestly it doesn't APPEAR to the casual observer that what you're saying is an accurate perspective.

    I completely get and respect your defense against real trolls where you're coming from, and why you might get/be defensive, but I disagree with you in your statement there.

    Shall we continue with this "back and forth" or do you care to return to the topic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    The casual observer would easily get what I was saying and my perspective is HIGHLY ACCURATE. Thank you very much. It's very well supported too.



    Go ahead... I'm still not bending over.
    I never suggested that you couldn't pick a position that you weren't comfortable in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    That is what people on the left do when they're losing an argument - they cry racism to stop the conversation. Typical.
    And that's what people on the right do, when confronted about their thinly veiled bigotry - they claim they were actually winning and the other side got rude to cover for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    There is actually a hard definition of what a language is, and I'm operating off memory, but if it's mutually intelligible then it's different dialects at best, not separate languages.

    Cubans, Argentinians and Mexicans would all recognizes differences in accent and certain words they use, but would be able to speak to each other... in Spanish.
    Lol, tell that to Macedonians who claim to have their own language, and not - actually - a funny sounding Bulgarian dialect with Serbian words thrown in for confusion's sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Based on what I've seen here... I can't hold back from saying it.

    I'm not bending over for anyone... and won't be quiet in that regard.
    Calling him a troll IS a personal attack.
    I did not attack Giancarlo, I agreed with him (Feb 8 at 6:17). I, like him, would choose an English speaking country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    I never suggested that you couldn't pick a position that you weren't comfortable in.
    Good advice. I'm not comfortable with doggie, so I never pick that position (except when I'm topping).

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