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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    It's been a sad desperate mudslinging attempt of the neocons for a while now, to try and paint the Democrats as some weird minority-rimming party that can only win on the backs of poor welfare queens. When in reality a solid chunk of the middle class votes Democrat, and MOST of college-educated young people as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    It's been a sad desperate mudslinging attempt of the neocons for a while now, to try and paint the Democrats as some weird minority-rimming party that can only win on the backs of poor welfare queens. When in reality a solid chunk of the middle class votes Democrat, and MOST of college-educated young people as well.

    In my school, I know of three Republicans. Nuff said.
    And the working class people who vote for democrats often work long work weeks just to put food on the table... surely we can't accuse them of being lazy.

    It must also be noted I posted a photo of which states take the most in federal money... most of those states are republican voting states... the democrat states actually receive less than what they put in... lol. In addition, most of the republican states are the states with the most people on welfare...

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Oops. Guess who isn't on ignore anymore

    But yeah, haters gonna hate. Clearly the propaganda machine is so strong and they're so used to warping reality to fit their claims, that now they see that warping everywhere. Statistics don't matter, numbers don't matter, polls don't matter. Only God's word I guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Oops. Guess who isn't on ignore anymore

    But yeah, haters gonna hate. Clearly the propaganda machine is so strong and they're so used to warping reality to fit their claims, that now they see that warping everywhere. Statistics don't matter, numbers don't matter, polls don't matter. Only God's word I guess...


    I just had to post this again... god's word and republican "math".

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    I have a sister that is a trauma nurse in the ER of a very large medical Center in a border state with a very high Hispanic population. She says at the end of the week when compiling reports for Medicaid, the same "child" with the same medicaid number will have had hundreds of procedures. This is not just one child by the way but hundreds of the same "children". The hospital has tried repeatedly to crack down on this but both the hospital administrators and the state boards were unwilling to do anything of use because they don't want to be seen as harming children.

    I did not say the giveaways were legally obtained. What can you expect though from a group of people that are already breaking the law. I've heard the arguments that immigration law is somehow different. It is not. If someone will break one "kind" of law they will have little restraint to break another "kind" of law.

    I take exception to the Bill O'Reilly comment. That man is a self serving miscreant. I am not a Republican. You assume a little too much.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    Thanks for the DNC talking points. Like there is a lack of those on this forum.
    You got what you said directly out of the mouth of Bill O'Reilly, care to actually back it up?

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    [QUOTE=Benvolio;8686477]Rome lost its republican form of government at that point and never recovered.


    Caesar packed the Senate with his supporters, including Gauls, which was one of the acts of tyranny which Suetonius says, led to his downfall, but the damage had been done.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    You got what you said directly out of the mouth of Bill O'Reilly, care to actually back it up?
    Apparently you watch Bill O'Reilly far more than do I. I was unaware of his comments. Since I despise the man and do not watch him at all.

    I find it so interesting that Fox is watched so much by people on this forum. The only thing on FNC I'll actually plan to watch is On the Record from time to time and Stossel when he has one of his specials.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    Apparently you watch Bill O'Reilly far more than do I. I was unaware of his comments. Since I despise the man and do not watch him at all.

    I find it so interesting that Fox is watched so much by people on this forum. The only thing on FNC I'll actually plan to watch is On the Record from time to time and Stossel when he has one of his specials.
    It's interesting that you despise someone who mirrors your views almost word for word. Did you also totally despise George W. Bush while voting for him twice?

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    rubio has no intention of ever following through with immigration reform. he's grandstanding now hoping to build a faux resume on the subject for his run in 2016. he has (and other republicans) so many caveats that he knows they will never be met. he's a sorry excuse for a human being.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    If we cannot limit immigration coming into the country, we make progress against poverty.
    I suspect that sentence doesn’t say what you intended it to say.


    I have completed a review of your source links.

    The Catholic Online article doesn’t provide much in the way of information, but does draw attention to the Supplemental Poverty Measure (SPM) recently introduced by the US Census Bureau and which seems potentially useful in developing future policy. The SPM is more complicated, but is not the official measure of poverty and currently only includes calculated (or estimated) data from 2009 to 2011. This alternative method is based more on cash flow than income, does not take assets into account, and redefines “family.” Anyone interested should visit the link below for more information.


    Other than noting variations introduced by the SPM, the Catholic Online article attributes increases in recent poverty numbers to the Great Recession.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I have a sister that is a trauma nurse in the ER of a very large medical Center in a border state with a very high Hispanic population. She says at the end of the week when compiling reports for Medicaid, the same "child" with the same medicaid number will have had hundreds of procedures. This is not just one child by the way but hundreds of the same "children". The hospital has tried repeatedly to crack down on this but both the hospital administrators and the state boards were unwilling to do anything of use because they don't want to be seen as harming children.
    Yet there is no proof for any of these statements. Hispanics actually contribute more than they cost this country, including in California. We need something more than "ancedotal evidence".

    And so? Big businesses and corporations are getting billions upon billions of tax breaks... yet I don't hear the complaining about that. Rather than going after a group that works long hours, why not go after the corporate welfare in this country that is costing this country tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars?

    I did not say the giveaways were legally obtained. What can you expect though from a group of people that are already breaking the law. I've heard the arguments that immigration law is somehow different. It is not. If someone will break one "kind" of law they will have little restraint to break another "kind" of law.
    Bullshit. We see citizens break all sorts of laws. Immigrants actually break less laws.

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...han-americans/

    This is from a respected website and source showing that immigrants actually commit less crimes than US citizens. The attacks on immigrants as law breakers is a false one. Many are actually extremely cautious about respecting the laws so they can work and put food on the table.

    What can one expect from a group already breaking the law? That's an incredibly ignorant opinion. Thanks for sharing.

    I take exception to the Bill O'Reilly comment. That man is a self serving miscreant. I am not a Republican. You assume a little too much.
    Yet there is not one shred of proof for any of your arguments, including the disrespectful one about freebies.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    By the way that whole tidbit about medicaid and using one child's name... I bet citizens have done that before themselves... and engaged in fraud. Thanks for that WEAK example.

    And for one who despises O'Reilly and Bush, seems to espouse the same viewpoints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    By the way that whole tidbit about medicaid and using one child's name... I bet citizens have done that before themselves... and engaged in fraud. Thanks for that WEAK example.

    And for one who despises O'Reilly and Bush, seems to espouse the same viewpoints.
    I'm sure U.S. citizens have perpetrated Medicaid fraud. That fact changes nothing.

    The thing that always fascinates me is that an American citizen would defend and uphold those that flagrantly break our laws. I am assuming you are an American citizen. If you aren't then that changes everything.

    You are simply espousing the views which will benefit you and those of your ilk. You are probably breaking the law as we speak.

    As to the other point, to not be a registered Democrat you seem to spew forth their talking points with invariable regularity.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    You are probably breaking the law as we speak.
    And you are probably violating the Posting Guidelines for this sub-forum as we Umm~ tap the little plastic squares. Please refer to the section titled “Courtesy & Respect.”

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I'm sure U.S. citizens have perpetrated Medicaid fraud. That fact changes nothing.

    The thing that always fascinates me is that an American citizen would defend and uphold those that flagrantly break our laws. I am assuming you are an American citizen. If you aren't then that changes everything.

    You are simply espousing the views which will benefit you and those of your ilk. You are probably breaking the law as we speak.

    As to the other point, to not be a registered Democrat you seem to spew forth their talking points with invariable regularity.
    Nobody here has said abusing medicare or whatever else is a good thing. The only difference is that yourself and every virulently anti-immigration person argues from the point of view that immigrants come in, sit down, do nothing and suck out services. Immigrants do the hardest work in this country, frequently for the longest hours with the poorest pay and typically nonexistent benefits. And there are people, everywhere from the industries and business owners employing that labor, to the people who shop at Wal*Mart or eat cheap food, who reap a financial benefit from that.

    In any other discussion the same virulently anti-immigration crowd are the first to talk about how horrible unions are and how terrible and incompetent well-paid, well compensated American workers are in unionized work and yet unions would be springing up all over the country if Americans somehow were pushed into filling all of these jobs tomorrow.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Immigrants do the hardest work in this country, frequently for the longest hours with the poorest pay and typically nonexistent benefits. .
    And they send more than twenty billion dollars out of our economy and back to Mexico via cash transfers. How does that help the US?

    http://www.examiner.com/article/amid...oney-to-mexico

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I'm sure U.S. citizens have perpetrated Medicaid fraud. That fact changes nothing.
    It doesn't? It most certainly does.

    The thing that always fascinates me is that an American citizen would defend and uphold those that flagrantly break our laws. I am assuming you are an American citizen. If you aren't then that changes everything.
    That changes everything? I'm not defending those who flagrantly break our laws, including those who took part in the massive economic fraud that took place in this country prior to the 2008 recession. I am not going to turn a blind eye to the massive fraud committed by certain US citizens that cost this nation hundreds of billions.

    You are simply espousing the views which will benefit you and those of your ilk. You are probably breaking the law as we speak.
    And the proof of that is?

    As to the other point, to not be a registered Democrat you seem to spew forth their talking points with invariable regularity.
    And I'll simply reply the viewpoints I see in your posts are exact replicas of what I see on Fox News and from the right wing.

    By the way, it's not the topic but I am in fact a US Citizen. I also recognize those immigrants, whether they are here legally or undocumented, as just trying to make a living. The Italian immigrants who came here in the earlier part of the 20th century often did not come with proper documentation... and were highly discriminated against. They were viewed as second class citizens.

    The rhetoric in your posts is simply the same hatred, different day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    And they send more than twenty billion dollars out of our economy and back to Mexico via cash transfers. How does that help the US?

    http://www.examiner.com/article/amid...oney-to-mexico
    Actually many spend their money here in the US, and the portion of their income being sent to Mexico benefits Mexico which in turn benefits the United States. Mexico and the United States share a close economic relationship and significant trade occurs between both nations. Mexico's $1.16 trillion dollar economy is part of the world stage and is tied to the United States. The 20 billion dollars being sent back is beneficial to both countries because of the close partnership between both nations.

    And considering the enormous, massive corporate fraud that took place in this country that far overshadows that $20 billion, I'd reconsider that statement. $20 billion is a drop in the hat compared to the massive fraud that has happened in this country. The republican party is supported by those crooks and they are stealing a lot more than just $20 billion.

    Another argument shot down... all in a days work.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Irish and Italians particularly were infamous for remitting money back to their families at home. It failed to destroy our economy.

    I find it interesting you care so much what really poor people are doing with their money and not what billionaires and multinational conglomerates are doing with Cayman Island billing centers and Swiss bank accounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Irish and Italians particularly were infamous for remitting money back to their families at home. It failed to destroy our economy.
    Irish and Italians sent a lot of money back to home... and they built businesses here in the US. Rather than being a hindrance, they practically had a hand in building up the US economy, much like how Mexicans are contributing now.

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    I would hate to live in the world of some of those that post on this forum. In that fantasy world there is either their way or nihilism, which of course everyone correctly identifies as elitism.

    Nowhere in this forum have I stated I am anti-immigration. I will state that I am against people breaking the laws of our country for any reason. It is unfortunate that these people have failed to make a success of their native country. I cannot see where that is any fault of any citizen of the U.S. Well maybe the U.S. citizens that are drug addicts are to blame for some of it.

    I keep hearing about tearing families apart and denying people employment. The facts are the families would be intact if the respective father or mother or other family member did not CHOOSE to leave. As to the other point, perhaps if they stayed in their own country and worked to build it in some constructive way they would have employment.

    No one is against immigration. Most Americans are against people breaking our laws and coming here and then demanding we change our laws to suit them specifically. Most Americans are against another foreign country, even a neighbor, trying to manipulate our laws to soften our sovereignty.

    I say enforce the laws already on the books vigorously. That should lessen the problem significantly. The funds could be diverted from social programs which should have less strain if these people were not here or were complying with the laws fully.

    Another viable solution would be to simply absorb Mexico as a protectorate. That way U.S. sovereignty would remain in tact. Mexico would have to give up its sovereignty. They shouldn't have a problem with that because that is what they have wanted from us for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I say enforce the laws already on the books vigorously. That should lessen the problem significantly. The funds could be diverted from social programs which should have less strain if these people were not here or were complying with the laws fully.
    The US Customs and Border Protection's budget in 2012 was $11.7 billion.


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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    We have passed the point that any politician who attempts to limit immigration will likely lose. We have lost our ability to limit it.
    It seems to me that if the citizens choose to elect representatives that do no limit immigration, the absence of limitation becomes a demonstration of the will of the citizens. The fact that a minority of citizens may disagree with that course of action is noteworthy, but in our representative form of government elected representatives are expected to fulfill the will of the people. In any case, we are debating a hypothetical, because the law currently limits immigration.


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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I would hate to live in the world of some of those that post on this forum. In that fantasy world there is either their way or nihilism, which of course everyone correctly identifies as elitism.

    Nowhere in this forum have I stated I am anti-immigration. I will state that I am against people breaking the laws of our country for any reason. It is unfortunate that these people have failed to make a success of their native country. I cannot see where that is any fault of any citizen of the U.S. Well maybe the U.S. citizens that are drug addicts are to blame for some of it.

    I keep hearing about tearing families apart and denying people employment. The facts are the families would be intact if the respective father or mother or other family member did not CHOOSE to leave. As to the other point, perhaps if they stayed in their own country and worked to build it in some constructive way they would have employment.

    No one is against immigration. Most Americans are against people breaking our laws and coming here and then demanding we change our laws to suit them specifically. Most Americans are against another foreign country, even a neighbor, trying to manipulate our laws to soften our sovereignty.

    I say enforce the laws already on the books vigorously. That should lessen the problem significantly. The funds could be diverted from social programs which should have less strain if these people were not here or were complying with the laws fully.

    Another viable solution would be to simply absorb Mexico as a protectorate. That way U.S. sovereignty would remain in tact. Mexico would have to give up its sovereignty. They shouldn't have a problem with that because that is what they have wanted from us for years.
    This post is full of completely unfounded assertions, like that someone is proposing rewriting laws to 'support' illegal immigration or the equally unsupported assertion you and others have made that illegals come here and suck off social services without contributing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post

    It seems to me that if the citizens choose to elect representatives that do no limit immigration, the absence of limitation becomes a demonstration of the will of the citizens. The fact that a minority of citizens may disagree with that course of action is noteworthy, but in our representative form of government elected representatives are expected to fulfill the will of the people. In any case, we are debating a hypothetical, because the law currently limits immigration.

    How the United States Immigration System Works: A Fact Sheet (Immigration Policy Center)
    In Benvolio World (aka Bizzaro World) ALL the illegal immigrants voter fraud their way into making legislation against the poor Americans with the help of the white-aborting, US-hating Party of Democratic Doom and Despair.

    This is the dramatized version...
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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    The US Customs and Border Protection's budget in 2012 was $11.7 billion.



    When those here illegally are already costing the U.S. taxpayers a conservative estimate of $100 billion dollars a year, the border security budget is too small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    In Benvolio World (aka Bizzaro World) ALL the illegal immigrants voter fraud their way into making legislation against the poor Americans with the help of the white-aborting, US-hating Party of Democratic Doom and Despair.

    This is the dramatized version...
    They also can walk into every office for every form of welfare services and get them without any documentation of any kind.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    They also can walk into every office for every form of welfare services and get them without any documentation of any kind.
    All you need to do is blackmail them with deportation and they shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    When those here illegally are already costing the U.S. taxpayers a conservative estimate of $100 billion dollars a year, the border security budget is too small.
    I question that figure and where you source it, but assuming we accept it, what is the value of their contribution to the economy? You always leave that half out of the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    In Benvolio World (aka Bizzaro World) ALL the illegal immigrants voter fraud their way into making legislation against the poor Americans with the help of the white-aborting, US-hating Party of Democratic Doom and Despair.

    This is the dramatized version...
    I don't see where Benvolio has mentioned “voter fraud” in this thread.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I don't see where Benvolio has mentioned “voter fraud” in this thread.
    Implying that Democrats want to enable lots of illegal immigration because it helps them politically directly implies that illegal immigrants are somehow voting.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    . The 20 billion dollars being sent back is beneficial to both countries because of the close partnership between both nations.

    k.
    That is total nonsense and cannot be supported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I would hate to live in the world of some of those that post on this forum. In that fantasy world there is either their way or nihilism, which of course everyone correctly identifies as elitism.
    And what fantasy world is that? Considering the republican party is the one of elitism and ignorance. Are there any other nonsensical personal attacks needed? Perhaps it's making up for the complete lack of an argument.

    Nowhere in this forum have I stated I am anti-immigration. I will state that I am against people breaking the laws of our country for any reason. It is unfortunate that these people have failed to make a success of their native country. I cannot see where that is any fault of any citizen of the U.S. Well maybe the U.S. citizens that are drug addicts are to blame for some of it.
    It was stated quite clearly in your posts. That's what everyone here has seen. Why is it someone coming here trying to make a better life for themselves breaking the law? what about all those corporate crooks some here refuse to talk about? Probably because those corporate crooks and criminals vote and support the political party they align themselves with.

    I keep hearing about tearing families apart and denying people employment. The facts are the families would be intact if the respective father or mother or other family member did not CHOOSE to leave. As to the other point, perhaps if they stayed in their own country and worked to build it in some constructive way they would have employment.
    A complete red herring that has NOTHING to do with this topic.

    No one is against immigration. Most Americans are against people breaking our laws and coming here and then demanding we change our laws to suit them specifically. Most Americans are against another foreign country, even a neighbor, trying to manipulate our laws to soften our sovereignty.
    Absolutely. Look at this thread. Your posts as with Benvolio's advocate isolationism and a closing off the borders. One other person stated that we should shoot people trying to cross borders.

    I say enforce the laws already on the books vigorously. That should lessen the problem significantly. The funds could be diverted from social programs which should have less strain if these people were not here or were complying with the laws fully.
    Vigorously? What does that mean? Closing off borders illogically? This doesn't make any sense at all.

    Another viable solution would be to simply absorb Mexico as a protectorate. That way U.S. sovereignty would remain in tact. Mexico would have to give up its sovereignty. They shouldn't have a problem with that because that is what they have wanted from us for years.
    Another baloney argument and another red herring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    That is total nonsense and cannot be supported.
    It's very clearly supported. Read the rest of my post!

    And as compared to the complete bullshit I've seen in this thread including some bullshit claims attacking immigrants and attacking me?

    People on the right wing live by total nonsensical arguments.

    I haven't seen the slightest shred of proof from you, Durango or Benvolio. Not one IOTA OF EVIDENCE!

    Undocumented immigrants contribute far more to than they cost this country. It's typical... when a right winger cannot support his argument they must resort to personal attacks, including shooting off their mouth about how another poster is supposedly breaking the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    It's very clearly supported. Read the rest of my post!

    w.
    Supported? Hardly. There wasn't a single link to anything in that post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Supported? Hardly. There wasn't a single link to anything in that post.
    Continue taking bits and pieces not reading my entire post... I have supported my fucking argument, and have provided links throughout this thread.

    Where is the proof for your argument? Very well SUPPORTED. They are doing many jobs most Americans wouldn't do and keep costs down for food products (as an example).

    And where are the links for the right wingers? And please not Fox News. I didn't see any evidence for that fake argument about Hispanics lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
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    Undocumented immigrants contribute far more to than they cost this country..
    Illegal immigrants cost the US $112 billion per year. Here are some state by state studies:

    http://www.fairus.org/issues/publica...e-cost-studies

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Illegal immigrants cost the US $112 billion per year. Here are some state by state studies:

    http://www.fairus.org/issues/publica...e-cost-studies
    Ignoramus source from a wing nut organization. Got anything real? $112 billion is a distorted number. Here is a website explaining real numbers and how undocumented workers contribute far more than they cost this country?

    http://business.time.com/2012/06/14/...igration-laws/

    Seriously Fairus? Might as well post the GOP website while we are at it.

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    I'm still waiting for our resident right wingers instead of repeatedly citing biased sources about the "cost" of immigrants to show a comparative stat for what they contribute to the economy.

    Repeatedly shrieking some bloated figure over and over about their "cost" without examining what they contribute is as worthless as pulling out a number of what gets spent on native borns for every service they use-- roads, schools, hospitals, food stamps, medicare, medicaid, etc., without talking about what they contribute.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...gration-today/

    $2.6 trillion—The amount of money that would evaporate from U.S. cumulative GDP over 10 years if all undocumented immigrants in the country were deported or “self-deport.”
    Go ahead... lets deport them... and fuck up the economy beyond belief.

    Edit: Oh and $2.6 trillion divided by 10 is $260 billion per year... $260 billion of our GDP would evaporate from the US economy every year on average. $260 billion > $112 billion. Obvious math is obvious.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...gration-today/



    Go ahead... lets deport them... and fuck up the economy beyond belief.

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    Sorry, but your left wing think tank organization has zero credibilty.

    Go ahead and send all 12 or 20 million illegals packing. Let's free up some jobs for Americans.

    What part of "they broke the law getting here" do you fail to comprehend?

    If a burglar broke into your house, would you feed and clothe him and take care of his family as well? I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Sorry, but your left wing think tank organization has zero credibilty.

    Go ahead and send all 12 or 20 million illegals packing. Let's free up some jobs for Americans.

    What part of "they broke the law getting here" do you fail to comprehend?

    If a burglar broke into your house, would you feed and clothe him and take care of his family as well? I don't think so.
    Nope. They have massive credibility and have provided corroborations for all those figures. The FairUs website is packed full of right wing garbage. Undocumented workers contribute anywhere from $260-$300 billion (depending on the figures) to the US every year. Thanks for providing more nonsensical arguments. Keep them coming. I'll keep poking holes in them... but don't really have to considering the argument is like swiss cheese.

    Nobody is breaking into anyones house. And they are getting their own places and contributing $260+ billion to the economy every year, so they are paying for their own way. Nice argument. Fails miserably.

    Oh and what about children who were brought here undocumented? Shall we kick them out? Nice argument... lol.

    Next time don't cite to a racist, xenophobic interest group like FairUs... one is better off not posting anything.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post

    Nobody is breaking into anyones house. And they are getting their own places and contributing $260+ billion to the economy every year, so they are paying for their own way. Nice argument. Fails miserably.

    Oh and what about children who were brought here undocumented? Shall we kick them out? Nice argument... lol.

    ng.
    What part of "they broke the law by coming here illegaly" do you fail to comprehend?

    And the LA Times, a certifably liberal rag, has this to say:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep...lfare-20100906

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    Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    What part of "they broke the law by coming here illegaly" do you fail to comprehend?

    And the LA Times, a certifably liberal rag, has this to say:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep...lfare-20100906
    The US isn't anyones house. They are living in their own homes and supporting themselves as well as contributing.

    $52 million? Oh really? Drop in the hat compared to what they contribute.

    http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...gration-today/

    The workers here in California contribute billions to our state economy including working in agricultural regions. It far outweighs any cost. Nice try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryReardon View Post
    Illegal immigrants cost the US $112 billion per year. Here are some state by state studies:

    http://www.fairus.org/issues/publica...e-cost-studies
    Federation for American Immigration Reform’s Hate Filled Track Record
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    When those here illegally are already costing the U.S. taxpayers a conservative estimate of $100 billion dollars a year, the border security budget is too small.

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    The historical revisionism going on here is amazing. I'm sure a minority of all white people presently residing in the United States and born here have relatives who all came here with permission and proper paperwork.

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    Implying that Democrats want to enable lots of illegal immigration because it helps them politically directly implies that illegal immigrants are somehow voting.
    Back in the time, when debate over 18-year-olds being allowed to vote was at its apex, the Republicons were adamantly opposing it. Reason? It was assumed that the youngins would be voting Democratic. Not.

    Here in the Land of Lincoln, a proposal to allow those doing business at the DMV to register to vote, AKA the "Motor Voter" plan - to make voting easier. Needless to say, Motor Voter lives, and the Republicons in Illinois can go eat some shit. (They do anyway).

    Bottom line: Republicons don't want anyone to vote if they have the audacity to vote Democratic. I'm confused. When we register to vote, we need to verify our citizenship. I don't understand the problem. Another strawman argument fabricated by the Republicons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    CIS: The "Independent" Think Tank

    CIS was started in 1985 by a Michigan ophthalmologist named John Tanton — a man known for his racist statements about Latinos, his decades-long flirtation with white nationalists and Holocaust deniers, and his publication of ugly racist materials. CIS' creation was part of a carefully thought-out strategy aimed at creating a set of complementary institutions to cultivate the nativist cause — groups including the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and NumbersUSA.

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    Haha thanks Op... these "independent" think tanks really are right wing bigotry machines.

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