Boy Scouts of America says discussing end to ban on gay members

[palbert]

http://news.yahoo.com/boy-scouts-ame...183918053.html

[DALLAS (Reuters) - Boy Scouts of America is discussing ending a longstanding ban on gay members and whether to allow local organizations to decide their own policy, a spokesman said on Monday.
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"The policy change under discussion would allow the religious, civic or educational organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting to determine how to address this issue," the spokesman said.

A crack in the wall.

[Rolyo85]

A crack in their sponsorship you mean.

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http://news.yahoo.com/boy-scouts-ame...183918053.html



A crack in the wall.

ere go

call it -Boy scouts-

if it sex education call it sex education

sure 1st world awsum professionsals poeppoles figa it out end a days

thankyou

[LeicsDom]

US Boy Scouts are obviously very different to UK Boy Scouts.

You guys obviously have way more affinity to evangelical Christians than us.
Also we have absolutely no sponsorship to support our Scouts. Therefore they retain complete independance

[pat grimshaw]

They're still cleaning up 'scandals' of an 'attempted penetration' from twenty years ago here.

You're treating me like a girl!, he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-2...34?section=act

[PreTTy PeTe]

are the boy scouts revelant anymore especially with with the mormons have the largest members there

creepy

[tigerfan482]

It's a good start. However, I don't like the fact that they're not only leaving it up to the local councils (which I think could be a plus), but they're also allowing the local sponsors (mostly churches) to be involved in the decisions. I think it will be great for some troops, but it won't change a thing for others.

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

okay commitee firs thang first
* wot is a boy? *
-ooooooooh ?- awsum supa professionals a high trains
£ there univeristy workin on it ans reply any century soon £
- Coor dat gurd -
* move on wot a scout? *
" marketin agency? "
! paranoid teddybear? !
^ ooh ooh ooh me noseeeeeeeee ^
" it not harry potta we saw da movie 1000 times
^ wot harry potta? ^
+ ya a spy? fa da penguins? +
^ wot a say? ^

anyway '
world boy scouts polish their computas ans keep programs runnin nice
ans keep d amice nice ans busy
lookin
fa
da
cheese

haaaaa

[looseliam]

ere go

call it -Boy scouts-

if it sex education call it sex education

sure 1st world awsum professionsals poeppoles figa it out end a days

thankyou

Boy Scouts was my sex education

[mydrew1]

They're still cleaning up 'scandals' of an 'attempted penetration' from twenty years ago here.

You're treating me like a girl!, he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-2...34?section=act

Nothing to do with US Scouts

[rareboy]

Nothing to do with US Scouts

Exactly Grimshaw.

Stick to topic.

I am pleased that they are reconsidering, but it should be a nationwide policy

[Peterdragin]

ALL boys have a right to belong to the scouts IF they want to. just because they are considered "gay" doesn't mean they are going around sucking everyones dick. FAIR IS FAIR!

[Peterdragin]

okay commitee firs thang first
* wot is a boy? *
-ooooooooh ?- awsum supa professionals a high trains
£ there univeristy workin on it ans reply any century soon £
- Coor dat gurd -
* move on wot a scout? *
" marketin agency? "
! paranoid teddybear? !
^ ooh ooh ooh me noseeeeeeeee ^
" it not harry potta we saw da movie 1000 times
^ wot harry potta? ^
+ ya a spy? fa da penguins? +
^ wot a say? ^

anyway '
world boy scouts polish their computas ans keep programs runnin nice
ans keep d amice nice ans busy
lookin
fa
da
cheese

haaaaa

i don't know what "language" you are using, but I have no idea what you are trying to say.

[G-Lexington]

How many people's first same-sex experience was at a Boy Scout jamboree?

Lex

[pat grimshaw]

Nothing to do with US Scouts

Wiki says the US Scouts are ALSO dealing with allegations of sexual assault from previous decades. Of course organisations whose job it is handle teenagers are going to be anxious about covert people who get a sexual charge from handling teenagers.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...n-midwest?lite

The lawsuit claims that the Boy Scouts allowed Thomas Hacker, a Scout leader barred from the group after a 1970s felony sex abuse conviction in Indiana, to rejoin as a volunteer in Illinois in the 1980s, and he went on to molest more boys, including the plaintiff.
Hacker was arrested in 1988 and convicted in 1989 of the aggravated sexual assault of an 11-year-old member of his troop in the southwest suburbs of Chicago.

[xbuzzerx]

Wiki says the US Scouts are ALSO dealing with allegations of sexual assault from previous decades. Of course organisations whose job it is handle teenagers are going to be anxious about covert people who get a sexual charge from handling teenagers.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...n-midwest?lite

The lawsuit claims that the Boy Scouts allowed Thomas Hacker, a Scout leader barred from the group after a 1970s felony sex abuse conviction in Indiana, to rejoin as a volunteer in Illinois in the 1980s, and he went on to molest more boys, including the plaintiff.
Hacker was arrested in 1988 and convicted in 1989 of the aggravated sexual assault of an 11-year-old member of his troop in the southwest suburbs of Chicago.

And this has what to do with ending a ban on gay people? Are you implying a connection?

[pat grimshaw]

^
I'm saying that they have to be ULTRA careful to avoid dopey litigants and dopey volunteers.

[Rolyo85]

And this has what to do with ending a ban on gay people? Are you implying a connection?

Also known as the "I don't have the guts to say it right out, so I'll share a story that strongly implies it, in a way that would still allow me to back out of it if confronted directly" defense.

[pat grimshaw]

^ Roly, that's the trouble with pedophiles. It's hard to catch them because they operate covertly and their activities are discussed and handled covertly.

[xbuzzerx]

Also known as the "I don't have the guts to say it right out, so I'll share a story that strongly implies it, in a way that would still allow me to back out of it if confronted directly" defense.

I have to concur with your analysis of the legal defense, advocate.

^ Roly, that's the trouble with pedophiles. It's hard to catch them because they operate covertly and their activities are discussed and handled covertly.

Pat it's when you adopt these strange stances that people question if you're real or even a gay man at all. We shouldn't have to tell another gay male that child molesters and people of homosexual sexual orientation are not even remotely the same thing. It would be like if everytime a woman was raped no one used the word rape and everyone just talked about how dangerous it is to allow heterosexuals into communities.

[pat grimshaw]

^ You say they are not even remotely the same thing.

I say there's a blur of perceptions and intentions.

Have you spoken to those people to love adolescents? Can you identify them by looking at them?
Can you identify people who are of legal age just by looking at them?
Have you seen the disagreements which erupt here occasionally on JUB where someone is upset at someone posting porny pics of someone who looks 17 but may be 18.
Have you been to the fetish forums here in JUB?

[xbuzzerx]

^ You say they are not even remotely the same thing.

I say there's a blur of perceptions and intentions.

Have you spoken to those people to love adolescents? Can you identify them by looking at them?
Can you identify people who are of legal age just by looking at them?
Have you seen the disagreements which erupt here occasionally on JUB where someone is upset at someone posting porny pics of someone who looks 17 but may be 18.
Have you been to the fetish forums here in JUB?

I can tell that someone who wants a sexual relationship with a male and someone who wants to rape a child has about as much in common as a straight male and a rapist. In both cases the former is orientation and the latter is a psychologically damaged compulsion to wield power sexually over someone else.

[pat grimshaw]

I can tell that someone ...

Yes, but you're an intelligent, university-trained, modern, thrusting intellectual.

The dopey parents of America can't tell what their dopey kids are doing 24/7. They can't keep tabs who they're mixing with and second-guess as to their secret lives with or without drugs.

[PreTTy PeTe]

[RazorzEdge88]

Also known as the "I don't have the guts to say it right out, so I'll share a story that strongly implies it, in a way that would still allow me to back out of it if confronted directly" defense.

^ Roly, that's the trouble with pedophiles. It's hard to catch them because they operate covertly and their activities are discussed and handled covertly.

Are you admitting to being a pedophile?

[xbuzzerx]

Yes, but you're an intelligent, university-trained, modern, thrusting intellectual.

The dopey parents of America can't tell what their dopey kids are doing 24/7. They can't keep tabs who they're mixing with and second-guess as to their secret lives with or without drugs.

Well yes, it's obvious that your typical soccer mom has a difficult time separating the two. But I'm not sure what you're implying-- that because uninformed, ignorant people associate the two as the same, we should voluntarily stay segregated from heterosexual people for their comfort?

If you're saying that even gay people who are allowed to join a troop may simply find most of the parents pulling their kids out and replacing them in another troop, then your guess matches my guess as to what will happen. Boy Scout families are pretty dominantly conservative overall. But how bigoted people will react is never a good argument against social equality/progress.

[pat grimshaw]

are the boy scouts revelant anymore ...

If I had kids, I wouldn't send mine there

[EuroSoccer]

[zoltanspawn]

The proscription on the godless shall remain, of course.

[pat grimshaw]

In my country, way back almost a century ago, people were complaining about the Scouts.

The state church was complaining that the Scouts were godless; the Catholics were complaining that the Scouts were a quasi-military instrument of the English empire while others complained all its 'bush-craft' was irrelevant in the modern world.

[Medusa]

Well that's good I guess.Although I still do not understand why gay men want to be ahead of the boy scouts,anyways.So it's whatever. Gay or not, I still thinks it's fucking weird that people actually want their kids to spend their time with strange grown men out in the wilderness. People are fucking crazy, and have no qualms about hurting others,especially little kids

[youfiad]

What this tells me is that I have even less respect for them than before. Changing rules just to avoid criticism shows that you didn't learn anything and are just looking for community support. This doesn't change my perception on how shitty and horrible I think the organization is.

[pat grimshaw]

...Although I still do not understand why gay men want to be ahead of the boy scouts,anyways.So it's whatever. Gay or not, I still thinks it's fucking weird that people actually want their kids to spend their time with strange grown men out in the wilderness. People are fucking crazy...

I agree with you, Medusa. This situation's the same as those wanting to get into the army.

[rareboy]

Well that's good I guess.Although I still do not understand why gay men want to be ahead of the boy scouts,anyways.So it's whatever. Gay or not, I still thinks it's fucking weird that people actually want their kids to spend their time with strange grown men out in the wilderness. People are fucking crazy, and have no qualms about hurting others,especially little kids

Jesus Christ.

I was a boy scout. I learned lots and had great fun. I know that one of our leaders was probably a homo. He never did anything with any kid. And we also had women Scout Leaders. In fact the principal leader of the entire scout, cub and brownie circus in our town was a woman.

But the Boy Scouts of Canada seem to be a much different organization than the crypto-religious American Boy Scouts.

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If I had kids, I wouldn't send mine there

We can all thank God for small mercies then can't we?

[xbuzzerx]

We can all thank God for small mercies then can't we?

Could you imagine little Grimshaws running around?

It'd be like Children of the Non Sequitur Corn.

[pat grimshaw]

^ Corn? What do you mean?


(Boy Scout Memorial: 15th Street, NW between E Street and Constitution Avenue in Washington, D.C. Erected: 1964 Sculptor: Donald DeLue)

[pat grimshaw]

^ Now I can understand that the Girl Guide Leader is carrying some kind of turnip. And the Boy Scout Leader has just had a swim and he's holding some celery in his towel. I think.

But, as I said before, this multi-million dollar organisation is concerned about its corporate image.

[xbuzzerx]

It's actually a really creepy statue.

[ixthrock]

I'll take a dozen of these to go.

I was in Cub Scouts, skipped Webelos and went right into Boy Scouts - and never got past tenderfoot, I think.

Murph, what am I saying - I'm still a Cub Scout.

Sure, Boy Scouts are that age. I think a little sexual horseplay is de rigeur at that age, regardless of the containment field. And, yes, older gentlemen creeps have opportunities to press an advantage in such a setting. Especially in a culture that suppresses all things gay, and the best outlet one has for teh gay sex is your local public toilet. That never happened in our troop, late 70's, and our culture has changed quite a bit. There's less need for gay men to closet themselves, and greater opportunities for healthy coupling.

I won't sweep what Grimshaw implies under the rug - yes, pedophiles and healthily socialized homos are apples and oranges - but a woodsy tent full of horny young men would seem like paradise to certain creeps - kinda like roman catholic choir practice, but with more camp. The Boy Scouts are just a tad late in discovering the difference between openly gay men and married, closeted pedophiles. I understand they've been doing their own cover-up for years.

I've had occasion to regret not paying more attention in Scouts to things like wiring a doorbell and the usefulness of different types of knots. They often serve the community. I'm glad to see them gaining some wisdom; gay men without kids of their own are good candidates for easing the supervision schedules of otherwise busy parents. It's one of the most convincing arguments for our evolutionary usefulness.

[ixthrock]

Ah, so - it's no longer a cover-up.

Has someone posted a link to this document on the forum already?

Anybody recognize any names?

[Ganoderma]

Quite a few Eagle Scouts have already returned their badge, together with a letter which explains why they don't want to be anymore part of BSA. See http://eaglebadges.tumblr.com/ for alot of these letters. Amazing letters! Highly recommended.

[miaedu]

The Boy Scouts of America became racially integrated—in 1974. Still hard to believe that it took so long.

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

^ still long time everythang
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oops

[ixthrock]

Quite a few Eagle Scouts have already returned their badge, together with a letter which explains why they don't want to be anymore part of BSA. See http://eaglebadges.tumblr.com/ for alot of these letters. Amazing letters! Highly recommended.

That was very moving. Thank you so much.

[xbuzzerx]

The Boy Scouts of America became racially integrated—in 1974. Still hard to believe that it took so long.

And it's still pretty "voluntarily" segregated imho. Parents pretty much pick their boy scout troop the same way they pick a school district. By looking around at what kind of people are there and how nice the area is.

[miaedu]

JENNIFER TYRRELL AND OTHER GAY SCOUTS AND LEADERS DELIVERING 1.4 MILLION SIGNATURES TO BOY SCOUT HQ

On Monday, at 11:00 Central, Boy Scouts of America headquarters in Dallas will get a visit from ousted Boy Scout mom Jennifer Tyrrell, gay Eagle Scout Will Oliver, gay former Scoutmaster Greg Bourke, and Eric Andresen, father of a gay Scout denied his Eagle Award - and they'll be bringing with them the voices of more than a million Americans who want the BSA to end its ban on gay scouts and volunteers.

The national leaders of the Boy Scouts of America are gathered this week for to discuss an end to the organization’s discriminatory ban.

"Millions have been moved to speak out in favor of ending the anti-gay ban from across religions, race, and political backgrounds including current scouts and corporate sponsors," said GLAAD President Herndon Graddick. "While an end to the ban will strengthen scouting and stop the harm it caused to so many young gay people, the campaign for change will continue until the national policy is one where every young gay person is allowed to participate."

“More than 1 million people have joined Change.org campaigns urging the Boy Scouts of America to end their national anti-gay policy, and today, those signers are seeing their work and their support delivered right to the Boy Scouts of America, for one final push as the Boy Scout board determines the future of the organization," said Mark Anthony Dingbaum, senior campaign manager at Change.org. “Jennifer Tyrrell, Will Oliver, Greg Bourke, and the Andresen family have proven that long-standing institutions of discrimination are no match for cutting-edge online tools and powerful storytelling."


Tyrrell ignited a national movement last year after she was let go as Den Leader of her son's Cub Scout pack because she is gay. Working GLAAD, she started a Change.org petition demanding that she be reinstated, garnering more than 330,000 signatures. She led a second Change.org campaign asking the CEOs of Ernst & Young and AT&T, both of whom sit on the board of the Boy Scouts of America, to speak out against the organization’s ban on gay Scouts and leaders.

Andresen will present Change.org petition signatures on behalf of his son, Ryan, who in October 2012 was told that he could not receive his Eagle Scout award because of his sexual orientation. Ryan’s story became a national phenomenon, and he appeared on The Ellen DeGeneres Show with his mother, Karen, to speak out against the Boy Scouts’ ban on gay Scouts and leaders.


Will Oliver, a 20-year-old gay Eagle Scout, will present signatures from his Change.org petition, which earlier this year called on the National Geographic Channel to speak out against the Boy Scouts of America’s anti-gay policy. The channel is slated to air “Are You Tougher Than a Boy Scout?” this spring in partnership with the Boy Scouts of America.

Bourke, who will travel to Dallas with his partner and their two children, will present signatures from his Change.org petition, which he started after he was removed as the Assistant Scoutmaster for the Lincoln Heritage Council in Louisville, Kentucky, because of his sexual orientation.

These petitions, plus more than 50 others that have been started on Change.org urging the Boy Scouts to end their national ban on gay Scouts and leaders, total more than 1.4 million signatures.

"This is an historic week for Scouting," said Zach Wahls, Eagle Scout and founder of Scouts for Equality. "We will continue to work with the BSA to implement further non-discrimination measures and bring them into line with the giving requirements for their corporate donors. We all want a healthy, vibrant Scouting movement that can foster lifelong values and principles in our next generation of leaders--with malice toward none, with charity for all."

And you can add one more voice to the list of those urging the BSA to drop this discriminatory ban - President Barack Obama, who also holds the title of Honorary President of the Boy Scouts of America. In a pre-Super Bowl interview on Sunday, President Obama reaffirmed his opposition to the Boy Scouts' ban on gay scouts and leaders.

"I think that my attitude is that gays and lesbians should have access and opportunity the same way everybody else does in every institution and walk of life," said President Obama. "The Scouts are a great institution that are promoting young people and exposing them to opportunities and leadership that will serve people for the rest of their lives. I think that no one should be barred from that."

You can contact the Boy Scouts and tell them to end the ban here.

You can see a timeline of some of the most significant milestones in the decades-long effort to get this ban overturned, including highlights from GLAAD's involvement, here.

http://www.glaad.org/blog/jen-tyrrel...8GLAAD+Blog%29

[rareboy]

Jesus,

What will it take to change their minds?

Just because a whole bunch of Polygamist apostates have a bug up their ass about fucking a dude, how does the Moron 'Cherch' get such a big say in what Baden Powell's Ganymede brigade does anyway?

Time for the BSA to get gay.

Imagine how fabulous camping will be once we get total control.

[xbuzzerx]

Jesus,

What will it take to change their minds?

Just because a whole bunch of Polygamist apostates have a bug up their ass about fucking a dude, how does the Moron 'Cherch' get such a big say in what Baden Powell's Ganymede brigade does anyway?

Money. And they get lots of collusion from the Knights of Columbus and Catholic and Christian PACS, even if it's a bit "hush hush."

[miaedu]

Gay Scouts and leaders delivered boxes with 1.4 million signatures from combined Change.org petitions requesting the Boy Scouts end its national no-gays ban to BSA headquarters in Irving on Feb. 4, 2013.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= TfGZhk4bFwg&feature=player_embedded

[miaedu]

The Boy Scouts of America should drop its ban on openly gay members, American voters say 55 - 33 percent in a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes...ReleaseID=1848