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    Hollande himself paid a visit to Timbuktu and was greeted by overjoyed citizens throughout the city. Thousands upon thousands of civilians cheered him as if he was a national hero.

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    One newspaper describes him as a "rock star" in Mali and specifically Timbuktu itself, where he visited local tribal elders.

    I think Hollande can be given some credit for helping save these manuscripts from further destruction when French troops parachuted into the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    revised for accuracy; the history books bear out a very different picture of that religion you first mentioned; it is actually quite like all the others you were unwilling to defend.
    Have to agree. There's a modern, warm, huggable reinvention of Christianity as harmless love that doesn't reflect its role in most of history prior to the last century or so.

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    Also the destruction of the 6th-century Buddhas of Bamiyan by the Taliban.

    Even Genghis Khan left them alone. Ain't religion wonderful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    revised for accuracy; the history books bear out a very different picture of that religion you first mentioned; it is actually quite like all the others you were unwilling to defend.
    Revised for your prejudice, rather. History books do not define a religion or anything else, they merely show what people claiming to follow some system do. If we go by history books, what the US is about is genocide, racism, war and terror -- but to know what the US is really about, one must look at the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and other core documents. In philosophical terms, it's the substance that defines a thing, not the accidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Have to agree. There's a modern, warm, huggable reinvention of Christianity as harmless love that doesn't reflect its role in most of history prior to the last century or so.
    By this, the right wingnuts are correct, and what the Democratic party is really about is racism and killing the unborn.

    One does not define a thing by the accidental attachments to it, one defines a thing by its definition.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    By this, the right wingnuts are correct, and what the Democratic party is really about is racism and killing the unborn.

    One does not define a thing by the accidental attachments to it, one defines a thing by its definition.
    I haven't set any definition of Christianity. I've talked about its role in history.

    It's irrelevant to me if the Bible itself says you're going to hell for killing anyone in any circumstance whatsoever if history is full of Christians killing a whole lot of peoples and justifying it with religion. It's equally irrelevant to me if the Quaker Bible does say killing is alright but the practice of its religion is moderate and nonviolent by preponderance of practice.

    You frequently try to conflate the core message of a religion with how we should view its presence and role in human history. In other words we have to take the crusades and the inquisitions out of our consideration when we talk about Christianity's presence on the world stage in history, and that's simple revisionism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I haven't set any definition of Christianity. I've talked about its role in history.

    It's irrelevant to me if the Bible itself says you're going to hell for killing anyone in any circumstance whatsoever if history is full of Christians killing a whole lot of peoples and justifying it with religion. It's equally irrelevant to me if the Quaker Bible does say killing is alright but the practice of its religion is moderate and nonviolent by preponderance of practice.

    You frequently try to conflate the core message of a religion with how we should view its presence and role in human history. In other words we have to take the crusades and the inquisitions out of our consideration when we talk about Christianity's presence on the world stage in history, and that's simple revisionism.
    No, I merely insist that when people talk about a given religion, they talk about that religion and not any attachments that have nothing to do with it. One may as well declare that someone who provided information enabling terrorists to kill a million people is actually a patriot, or that someone who blows up a library has respect for learning.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeland View Post
    Also the destruction of the 6th-century Buddhas of Bamiyan by the Taliban.

    Even Genghis Khan left them alone. Ain't religion wonderful.
    I remember when this happened. I was fucking mad at these fanatics destroying antiquities in the name of "religion".

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    Re: Islamic Rebels Burn Medieval Manuscript Library

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Revised for your prejudice, rather. History books do not define a religion or anything else, they merely show what people claiming to follow some system do. If we go by history books, what the US is about is genocide, racism, war and terror -- but to know what the US is really about, one must look at the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and other core documents. In philosophical terms, it's the substance that defines a thing, not the accidents.
    This is akin to the debate between British Common Law on one hand, and European Civil Codes and Constitutions on the other. I say a religion is as history reveals through the catalogue of things done in its name over the centuries. Your position that we can believe what religion says about itself without any reference to history is far too limited to be a guide to understanding.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte.

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    Re: Islamic Rebels Burn Medieval Manuscript Library

    Quote Originally Posted by Keeland View Post
    Also the destruction of the 6th-century Buddhas of Bamiyan by the Taliban.

    Even Genghis Khan left them alone. Ain't religion wonderful.
    If it wsn't for religion, there wouldn't be those sttues to destroy.

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    Buddhism is not a religion. It's a philosophy. There is no supernatural being to whom Buddhists pray.

    I'll feed any Buddhist to the lions who argues otherwise.

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