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    Republicans Want to Rig Presidential Elections

    Republicans finally realize that they cannot win the presidency with their current, stridently right wing crop of candidates. They intend to rig presidential elections in a number of states so that Republicans can win the electoral vote without winning a majority of the popular vote. In a number of states, Republicans want to allocate the electoral vote by the winner of each congressional district. If that scheme were enacted in each congressional district, Romney would have won the election in the electoral college, even though he lost the popular vote by over 4.5 million votes.
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    They are not satisfied with suppressing the vote because it backfired on them and probably turned out more democratic voters than they suppressed. Once again, the Republicans have shown themselves to be anti-democratic ideologues who care more about power than people or the good of the country.

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    Well, since they can't / won't / refuse to effect change within the party to actually attract voters, they have no other way to win. It's an act of desperation. It'll never fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gewhite3 View Post
    Well, since they can't / won't / refuse to effect change within the party to actually attract voters, they have no other way to win. It's an act of desperation. It'll never fly.
    I am somewhat skeptical that it will work, but I actually think it is a good plan for them.

    Republicans control most of the state legislatures, so they are in a good position to implement changes like this at the state level. They have managed to gerrymander congressional district across American to give their party a significant advantage in the U.S. House of Representatives. That has worked out quite well for them. The rigging of the electoral college is not so different a scheme.

    Combined with the voter suppression tactics, this rigging of the electoral college might enable them to eek out a few presidential elections even in the absence of popular support for their policies.

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    I am torn on this. I think it is entirely agreeable that votes begin counting across the nation. There is already a Interstate compact introduced recently to give all electors to whomever wins the popular vote. The stipulation of the signatories is that the majority of states must do so. That was a democratic effort to do away with the electoral college and then essentially base it on the popular vote without changing the electoral college. The college has withstood 200 bills and attempts to change it.

    The obviously disgusting part is using a republican super majority to change the lines of the districts of a state to give themselves an advantage and then vote to split electoral college votes and thereby alter elections. I get that and find it repulsive.

    However IF the districts were made fair and drawn to encompass economic areas and not demographic areas then I would agree to a split. A split would open up the nation to being important in a national election instead of eight states that then becomes three main focus states. THAT is a ridiculous way to run a democracy.

    So while I see the republican action in VA and other places as repulsive; it opens the door for deeper discussion about fixing some massive failures in our system. Namely the swing state and gerrymandered districts.
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    I'm often seen as among the more conservative posters here, and in a lot of ways that's true certainly in regards to
    the ideological composition of this board. But I clearly an unequivocably think it's a horrible idea. Until Obama Republicans were pretty regularly taking Virginia in presidential elections, even with Clinton. Now they think going by districts won, regardless of population is more critical than the popular vote? A win like that , in which Obama would have been denied an electoral majority despite a popular vote win overall, would leave an awful taste. I don't like redistricting on the Congressional level no matter what the party, and I think this idea that takes its effects one step further does indeed subvert the very essence of democracy and popular representation. Hopefully it won't fly, because it absolutely looks like a way of gaming the system to their benefit. It only makes the GOP look bad, and power isn't worth frakking with the electoral system like that.
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    This is an idiotic and horribly undemocratic idea. Number of districts won? Who cares? Why should a district with hundreds of thousands of people like in Virginia not have as much say as those with far less people? Virginia went to Obama because of the urban centers. It's a disgusting idea and it has no place in the system. Yes, this system has problems... but this isn't the solution. Giving more say to lightly populated districts over ones with more population is like telling people in cities their votes don't matter.

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    The last time I had dinner with my parents Jayhawk we were talking about exactly the issue you raised-- the fact that states like ours (California) get no real attention at all when it comes to the Presidential campaign because we're a "sure thing", and how that would change if electoral votes were distributed at the local level and not the statewide level.

    That being said (and true), I'm extremely wary of this scheme especially if it may only get applied on a state-by-state basis, because as many have already pointed out, it will result in candidates winning who lost the popular vote and do so only because of this change, possibly even substantially lost the popular vote.

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    This vote rigging scheme is nothing more than a desperate attempt to keep power. Candidates who lose the popular vote don't have any business winning in states. This rigging plan needs to be put out of its misery.

    It also disenfranchises those people in cities... like in California. Why should Shasta county and other lightly populated counties have more sway over major urban centers?

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    Republicans have won states like Ohio and Virginia when they had a candidate and a message that the voters wanted. That's the route to go. Not because the black man won twice and the republicans feel trapped in political corners. They now feel that they have to rig things so that only white voters prevail. I live in Ohio. Under a revised system, basically my vote wouldn't count because more districts are now gerrymandered as republican. Republicans should work on altering their message and recruiting less pompous candidates. The republicans relied on tea party hate tactics and a majority of the voters rejected them. This attempt at strong-arming will just make them look totally vile.
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    So...after gerrymandering and rigging Congressional Districts so they heavily favor Republicans they now want to give them direct electoral votes? Hmmmm....

    Maybe we should have a contest and guess how much money the Koch Brothers are going to invest in this process?

    Shouldn't they be taking the time to look at their FAILED platform and make some adjustments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    So...after gerrymandering and rigging Congressional Districts so they heavily favor Republicans they now want to give them direct electoral votes? Hmmmm....

    Maybe we should have a contest and guess how much money the Koch Brothers are going to invest in this process?

    Shouldn't they be taking the time to look at their FAILED platform and make some adjustments?
    That line of thinking doesn't fit the preestablished conclusion. Tsk tsk Eastofeden. Not thinking like a modern Republican.

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    I never thought I'd see the day where Gerrymandering would be the basis for choosing the next President of the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    The last time I had dinner with my parents Jayhawk we were talking about exactly the issue you raised-- the fact that states like ours (California) get no real attention at all when it comes to the Presidential campaign because we're a "sure thing", and how that would change if electoral votes were distributed at the local level and not the statewide level.

    That being said (and true), I'm extremely wary of this scheme especially if it may only get applied on a state-by-state basis, because as many have already pointed out, it will result in candidates winning who lost the popular vote and do so only because of this change, possibly even substantially lost the popular vote.
    The only hold up I have about this very fair process is the fact that an unfair partisan process is currently used to determine the districts. Otherwise I would be happy to accept electoral votes proportional to local vote counts.

    Consider this!
    (I think I get 'consider this!' from text books...lol... I use it way too much lately in professional and entertainment correspondence. )

    Originally the congress was designed to have a specific number of constituents per representative. However as the country has grown it has become unreasonable to continue expanding the House of Representatives. If the district lines were drawn up in a non-partisan manner to reflect population vice partisan control schemes then not only would a Electoral college split by district make sense it would also mean all of America had a voice in the elections.

    As it stands now it is simply a scheme to rig elections for the consistently losing party as of late. However if done fairly then worthwhile. How many people feel their blue vote in a red state was useless? How about a red vote in a blue state?

    I am probably going to revert back to Ohio Citizenship. I own a house there. If I get into politics then I would want to do it in a place that could make a difference. And more importantly the state needs more voices opposing republican thuggery.
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    ^ Beat up my Republican cousins, please. I can provide addresses when you move back.

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    LOL... That is a huge pipe dream and not very likely. I am much more likely to retire to Colorado and get high while sliding down mountains. But you never know I may wanna serve the people some more. I still may switch my vote back to there since I own a house there. That will at least allow my vote to count no matter where I live.... doubt I will desire to live in that place again...
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    Re: Republicans Want to Rig Presidential Elections

    I got distracted but i mention post a severely off topic tag on that last post.

    Besides this being a Republican election stealing idea based on gerrymandering do any of you feel if you had greater representation and more access to national politicians wanting your vote that it would make the country as a whole a better place?
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    Today the GOP relected Rice Pudding as RNC he says the party has to reach out more Americans. Here the same party in since 2000 has sought restrict those who can vote. They tried same trick in 2012. They are party that adores the Constitution now they upset the system of the Electoral College to win.

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    Re: Republicans Want to Rig Presidential Elections

    Ironic they are trying it in Virginia. Before Obama,no Democrat had won the state in 44 years

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    Dumb idea. Stay with the electoral college.

    I'm not in a favor of any party trying to tweak things to their advantage in elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Ironic they are trying it in Virginia. Before Obama,no Democrat had won the state in 44 years
    And obviously they want to fix that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Ironic they are trying it in Virginia. Before Obama,no Democrat had won the state in 44 years
    And it's looking like to shift towards the democrats even further... considering urban voting demographics. Fairfax County and others are likely to push the state blue in years to come. Fairfax county went to Obama by 315k votes compared to Romney's 206k roughly...

    This is the kind of plan that clearly attacks those in cities... the kind of plan a sore loser comes up with.

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    I notice something weird. Our resident homocons have lately started to completely ignore these topics with actual problems in them. They only seem to be posting in each other's trolling threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    And it's looking like to shift towards the democrats even further... considering urban voting demographics. Fairfax County and others are likely to push the state blue in years to come. Fairfax county went to Obama by 315k votes compared to Romney's 206k roughly...

    This is the kind of plan that clearly attacks those in cities... the kind of plan a sore loser comes up with.
    The thing about Virginia is that now, it has become a truly north vs south mentality. The northern part of VA has a bunch of DC people who want a suburban lifestyle and lean heavily democrat. The southern part is your typical 'Dixie' and a Republican. For those that don't know, DC, as a residential district, is the most liberal part of the country. As more Democrats flood the northern part of the state, the GOP fears that because of said concentration of voters, Virginia will become a blue state permanently.

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    Re: Republicans Want to Rig Presidential Elections

    winner take all in states is stupid

    a vote should be a vote

    not sure why anyone would disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    And it's looking like to shift towards the democrats even further... considering urban voting demographics. Fairfax County and others are likely to push the state blue in years to come. Fairfax county went to Obama by 315k votes compared to Romney's 206k roughly...
    Even more of a bellwether is some of the farther outlying suburban counties like Loudoun and Prince William, which have turned blue since 2008.

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    winner take all in states is stupid

    a vote should be a vote

    not sure why anyone would disagree
    I agree, but one could say the same thing about electoral districts, which are also subject to the manipulation of state legislatures.

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    Winner takes all in states is how it works in most countries. You know when a candidate gets a majority they win... we disagree with this desperate GOP ploy to try to keep a state they are going to lose anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    a vote should be a vote

    not sure why anyone would disagree
    What does this have to do with the current Republican plan, or the thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    winner take all in states is stupid

    a vote should be a vote

    not sure why anyone would disagree
    The problem is the partisan gerrymandering. If I chop a state up into a manner that only allows for republicans to win then a vote isn't a vote. The districts should be divided by persons total and not necessarily political lean. So the DC burbs would get say four Electoral votes and the remaining sparsely populated regions would get three and then the Hampton roads are would get two.

    That is obviously the complaint of most things I have read on the possible change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    What does this have to do with the current Republican plan, or the thread?
    Because it better represents more voters if you parse the electoral votes by local vote. There would not longer be a super swing state. They would have to actually campaign for all of our votes. So instead of this last election being Ohio's election it would be the US election. That is what he means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Because it better represents more voters if you parse the electoral votes by local vote. There would not longer be a super swing state. They would have to actually campaign for all of our votes. So instead of this last election being Ohio's election it would be the US election. That is what he means.

    I think. lol.
    I get that idea, but that isn't what this is about and pretending it's just a plan to make things "more fair" is disingenuous at best. Inauthentic, if you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    winner take all in states is stupid

    a vote should be a vote

    not sure why anyone would disagree
    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The problem is the partisan gerrymandering. If I chop a state up into a manner that only allows for republicans to win then a vote isn't a vote. The districts should be divided by persons total and not necessarily political lean. So the DC burbs would get say four Electoral votes and the remaining sparsely populated regions would get three and then the Hampton roads are would get two.

    That is obviously the complaint of most things I have read on the possible change.
    Well that's one problem, there's two more.

    1. If it's implemented on a state-by-state basis and not uniformly, it will be used in a partisan fashion just to split the electoral vote of advantageous states and simply not implement it in others.

    2. It will create recount nightmares, like the Al Franken election, except all around the country.

    It could diminish confidence overall in casting a vote, imo. It's a possible effect anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    winner take all in states is stupid

    a vote should be a vote

    not sure why anyone would disagree
    I agree with one person, one vote, which is why we should choose based on nationwide popular vote.

    Having each state define how they want to divide up their votes is as stupid as having each state decide their own definition of marriage or having each state set their own gun laws. Elections for federal office should have uniform rules across the country. Under Virginia's proposed system, they are saying a district with 5 million voters in it is equal to a district with 50,000 voters in it. So basically, each of those 5 million peoples' votes are worth 1/100th of what each of those 50,000 peoples' votes are. This does not jive at all with the one person, one vote philosophy and is just an egregious attempt at Republicans trying to use their control of state legislatures to disenfranchise voters and manipulate the system to their liking without regard to what the popular vote actually indicates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    winner take all in states is stupid

    a vote should be a vote

    not sure why anyone would disagree
    The issue here is not "winner take all" or "a vote should be a vote."

    The issue is that Republicans are attempting to re-apportion Virginia's electoral college vote so that a Republican (and only a Republican) will get a majority of the state's electoral votes, even if a Democrat wins a substantial majority of the state's popular vote. The proposed scheme seeks to make rural Virginia votes count more than urban votes.

    In 2012, 51% of the votes cast in Virginia were for Obama. If the currently-proposed Republican scheme had been in place in 2012, Obama would have been apportioned 4 of the state's 13 electoral votes, while Romney would have been given 9 - even though Romney lost the election.

    In other words, Republicans have decided that if they cannot win people's votes, they'll just steal the elections.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    I get that idea, but that isn't what this is about and pretending it's just a plan to make things "more fair" is disingenuous at best. Inauthentic, if you will.
    Yeah I don't disagree with fighting this Virginia plan tooth and nail. However, I would and will always look to an event to drive a national conversation. Democrats should the same thing. Point out the value in the idea and then demonstrate why the republican version is a perversion of our constitution and our election system. That would be more believable and beneficial to the cause. Democratic leadership is already viewed as the adult in the room. I say solidly reinforce that concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerfan482 View Post
    I agree with one person, one vote, which is why we should choose based on nationwide popular vote.

    Having each state define how they want to divide up their votes is as stupid as having each state decide their own definition of marriage or having each state set their own gun laws. Elections for federal office should have uniform rules across the country. Under Virginia's proposed system, they are saying a district with 5 million voters in it is equal to a district with 50,000 voters in it. So basically, each of those 5 million peoples' votes are worth 1/100th of what each of those 50,000 peoples' votes are. This does not jive at all with the one person, one vote philosophy and is just an egregious attempt at Republicans trying to use their control of state legislatures to disenfranchise voters and manipulate the system to their liking without regard to what the popular vote actually indicates.
    Hear, hear. Although why not attack a larger issue and attempt to have a national conversation about gerrymandering. ?? If we developed a bi-partisan panel to do so instead of leaving it willy nilly to who ever happens to be in power every ten years then we might stand a chance at correcting many issues.

    No state the size of Wyoming will allow their influence to be diminished by a popular vote. SO that argument is fairly dead imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Hear, hear. Although why not attack a larger issue and attempt to have a national conversation about gerrymandering. ?? If we developed a bi-partisan panel to do so instead of leaving it willy nilly to who ever happens to be in power every ten years then we might stand a chance at correcting many issues.

    No state the size of Wyoming will allow their influence to be diminished by a popular vote. SO that argument is fairly dead imho.
    I have sincerely never understood why gerrymandering is not illegal. Perhaps someone a lot more versed than I am in the details of how congressional districts are partitioned and why it's legal to gerrymander could enlighten me.

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    Re: Republicans Want to Rig Presidential Elections

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    winner take all in states is stupid

    a vote should be a vote

    not sure why anyone would disagree
    chance1, you are off topic.

    This thread is about Virginia's Gerrymandering plan where districts would be awarded by majority vote as points to the electoral college. It has nothing to do with one vote counting equally amongst others in the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    In 2012, 51% of the votes cast in Virginia were for Obama. If the currently-proposed Republican scheme had been in place in 2012, Obama would have been apportioned 4 of the state's 13 electoral votes, while Romney would have been given 9 - even though Romney lost the election.
    Interesting discussion by James Bouie.

    Ohio was critical to the re-election of Barack Obama in 2012. Obama carried Ohio with 52% of the vote, and he was allocated all 20 of the state's electoral votes. If the Virginia plan had been in place in Ohio in 2012, Obama would have been allocated 4 electoral college votes while Romney, the loser, would have been given 16. Ohio has a Republican governor, a Republican house, and a Republican senate. Although there is currently no suggestion of implementing a Virginia-style plan here, it would easily pass if it were put to a vote.

    The same is true of many states of the United States, especially in the Midwest. Republicans really are in a position to steal presidential elections routinely, if schemes like this become popular across the USA.

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    Re: Republicans Want to Rig Presidential Elections

    Their reaction, and their proposals, are no different than what happened after the election in 2000. Politicians of both parties, when they're issued a defeat, fall back on 'fixing' the system when it suits them, and arguing against such 'fixes' when it doesn't.

    This insanity just reinforces what Kenneth the Page said about Republicans today.

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    Re: Republicans Want to Rig Presidential Elections

    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Their reaction, and their proposals, are no different than what happened after the election in 2000.
    No, not in the least.

    Democrats won the popular vote in 2000 but lost the electoral college vote to the Republican candidate.

    Democrats did not respond by attempting to rig the electoral process so that they might win future elections, even if a majority of the voters should cast their ballots for the other party.


    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Politicians of both parties, when they're issued a defeat, fall back on 'fixing' the system when it suits them, and arguing against such 'fixes' when it doesn't.
    The Virginia scheme is not an attempt to "fix" any problems with the electoral college. It is an attempt by Republicans to steal offices they cannot win with votes. Democrats have not tried to discourage Republicans from voting, have not tried to reduce voting hours in Republican areas but not Democratic, and have not tried to make the votes of Republicans count less than those of Democrats.

    This is not a bipartisan tyranny. It is Republican and Republican alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I am torn on this. I think it is entirely agreeable that votes begin counting across the nation. There is already a Interstate compact introduced recently to give all electors to whomever wins the popular vote. The stipulation of the signatories is that the majority of states must do so. That was a democratic effort to do away with the electoral college and then essentially base it on the popular vote without changing the electoral college.
    Interesting, how come I don't remember hearing about this proposal...AT ALL? It would actually allow the Electoral College to be retained, which is important, because I think that getting rid of it Constitutionally would be IMPOSSIBLE. (When would "we" EVER possibly find 38 states that would vote to abolish it? NEVER.)

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    This is an idiotic and horribly undemocratic idea. Number of districts won? Who cares? Why should a district with hundreds of thousands of people like in Virginia not have as much say as those with far less people? Virginia went to Obama because of the urban centers. It's a disgusting idea and it has no place in the system. Yes, this system has problems... but this isn't the solution. Giving more say to lightly populated districts over ones with more population is like telling people in cities their votes don't matter.
    I've always assumed that each District is supposed to have a SIMILAR population...that you cannot have one District with 3 million people in it, and another District with 7,000 people in it. Is this no longer even true?

    With this information which I didn't realize before, this is how I would write a law for Redistricting:
    1. Other than exceptions below, one 5-digit Zip Code cannot be part of more than one district; a Zip Code must fall entirely within only ONE C. D. whenever possible. (I've said this in the past. I don't think that a Zip Code *ever* has more than 40,000 or 50,000 people in it, which is far smaller than a Congressional District.) However, if a Zip Code includes parts of more than one County (or equivalent), or parts both within and outside of a city larger than the population of one average Congressional District, that Zip Code may include two Congressional Districts within its boundaries, only as necessary.
    2a. If a large county has a population larger than the AVERAGE population of a Congressional District within a state, that county must include as many *COMPLETE* Congressional Distrcts as possible, within these limits. The excess population of that county can be shared with only ONE Congressional District which also includes people who are not residents of that large county. If a county has a population smaller than the average population of a Congressional District within a state, it may not be represented by more than one District.
    2b. A similar rule would apply to large cities which exceed the average population of a Congressional District, as well.
    3. All areas of a Congressional District must be contiguous - none of this fucking stupid "let's connect the three parts of this District via some goddam freeway" bullshit. (Yes I'll put it in the law just like that. )
    4. Given the population of the average Congressional District within a state, no District may have a population variance of no more than 10% from this average.
    5. If a County (or the equivalent for that state) has a population smaller than the average population of the state's Congressional Districts, it may not lie within more than one Congressional District.
    6. If a Zip Code crosses a County line or is not entirely within the territory of a city that has a larger population than an average Congressional District, then and only then may a Zip Code be included in two Congressional Districts.
    7. Boundaries of Congressional Districts would be affected in this order of priority: County lines, city/community territorial borders, Zip Code borders.
    8. No waiver of any of these rules is allowed, unless it is impossible to conform to them in any way.

    USING ILLINOIS AS AN EXAMPLE: 18 Congressional Districts. 2010 POPULATION: State 12, 419, 293. Chicago 2,695,598.
    AVERAGE POPULATION PER CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT: Approximately 690,000.

    Chicago would have THREE WHOLE Congressional Districts entirely confined within the City. That would represent approximately 2,070,000 people.

    A **FOURTH** entire Congressional District could actually fit into Chicago as well, because the three Districts would leave a surplus of about 625,000 people. The fourth District could include those leftover 625,000 people and it would still be within 10% of the average C. D. population. Alternatively, Oak Park (51,932) could be added to that fourth Chicago Congressional District, because it is territorially adjacent to Chicago, and that fourth District would be nearly the precise average population of a C. D. Including one or two more suburbs, as well (such as Berwyn or River Grove or Elmwood Park) would keep that District within population bounds as well.

    **NO OTHER CITY IN ILLINOIS** would be within more than one Congressional District (UNLESS the city lies within more than one county), because no other city in Illinois has a population even remotely close to Congressional District populations. By the way, I bet you can't guess what the second-largest city in Illinois is.###

    This would eliminate, for example, "MY" Congressional District including only most of the city of Peoria (I live in a Republican-Gerrymandered District), while the Black parts of Peoria are drawn into a different District Gerrymandered as a Democratic one.

    The "County rule" would make it a little trippy trying to draw Districts in Colorado, because I believe that Denver has territory in four different Counties. However, I am assuming that Arapahoe and perhaps one of the other Counties has a small enough population to be in one District.

    This all would end Gerrymandering once and for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I'm extremely wary of this scheme especially if it may only get applied on a state-by-state basis, because as many have already pointed out, it will result in candidates winning who lost the popular vote and do so only because of this change, possibly even substantially lost the popular vote.
    And, of course as the agenda suits them, those states will be cherry-picked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    I never thought I'd see the day where Gerrymandering would be the basis for choosing the next President of the United States.
    YOU BEAT ME TO IT! I was going to comment about "Gerrymandering the Presidency."

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I have sincerely never understood why gerrymandering is not illegal. Perhaps someone a lot more versed than I am in the details of how congressional districts are partitioned and why it's legal to gerrymander could enlighten me.
    Somebody? Anybody? I am almost SURE that I remember my high school Civics class (ca. 1964) actually telling me that Gerrymandering was illegal. It would probably be very instructive to look at Congressional District maps from the 1940's or something. Very possibly none of these districts that would have made Rorschach's head explode.

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    Re: Republicans Want to Rig Presidential Elections

    The Republicans are just outright corrupt now. And it says a lot about the citizenry that backs them with their votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolBlue71 View Post
    .says a lot about the citizenry that backs them with their votes.
    My state voted 64% to preserve Maryland's extremely gerrymandered Congressional districts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    What does this have to do with the current Republican plan, or the thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The problem is the partisan gerrymandering. If I chop a state up into a manner that only allows for republicans to win then a vote isn't a vote. The districts should be divided by persons total and not necessarily political lean. So the DC burbs would get say four Electoral votes and the remaining sparsely populated regions would get three and then the Hampton roads are would get two.

    That is obviously the complaint of most things I have read on the possible change.
    I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    chance1, you are off topic.

    This thread is about Virginia's Gerrymandering plan where districts would be awarded by majority vote as points to the electoral college. It has nothing to do with one vote counting equally amongst others in the state.
    Me off topic ?

    Impossible

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    Re: Republicans Want to Rig Presidential Elections

    out of the last 6 presidential elections, republicans have only won one of those with popular support.

    Democrats 5 Republicans 1

    That's a losing record for a losing party.

    too bad for republicans, and good for our country, is all they can do is imagine scenarios in which the American people would support their warped agenda.
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    Re: Republicans Want to Rig Presidential Elections

    Doesn't this Repugnantan plan, if adopted by all fifty states, BASICALLY say: "The President and the House of Representatives will ALWAYS be the same Political Party"??????? Whatever Party has the majority in the House, will guarantee that the President is from the SAME Party.

    I wonder if there's a way to challenge this under some "BALANCE OF POWERS" scenario. Are there any Constitutional scholars in here who might want to tackle this?
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    Re: Republicans Want to Rig Presidential Elections

    In fact, I have just sent an email (which I will also send as an actual letter via mail) to the U. S. Department of Justice. I can't believe that I would be the first person to question it as an issue with the Balance of Powers, nor whether it's even a valid premise or not, but it doesn't hurt to try.
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