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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    If you want to see bigots being forced to get dragged into the 21st century,watch the feed above. Make no mistake,all the top big wigs(whom are Democrats) do NOT want this bill to have a hearing at all but know they have no choice.
    What's different about this hearing is, there are two critical votes out of the ten who probably have not made up their minds.

    As painful it is to watch the same old tired arguments being repeated in New England of all places, they could actually influence the vote at this point.

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    The majority of testimony tonight has been very anti-gay. It is difficult to listen to the most prejudiced testimony, but it has been valuable to learn our opposition by listening to their opinions. If anything, it has been reassuring to hear how ridiculous an unpersuasive some people can be, because in the end the underlying hate that comes out in these hearings turns people off, and towards our side. The most anti-gay witnesses forget that, while same sex marriage is still controversial in the state, acceptance of gay people is not. Therefore, I think the fence sitters will be turned off and vote yes.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    I'll say this..if this doesn't come up for a vote,then it is high time that primary challenges etc are looked into. In NY,a number of anti-gay Democrats who blocked gay marriage were booted out of office,the same should happen in RI.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

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    I'll say this..if this doesn't come up for a vote,then it is high time that primary challenges etc are looked into. In NY,a number of anti-gay Democrats who blocked gay marriage were booted out of office,the same should happen in RI.
    They are still hearing testimony at 1 AM.

    I do not know if they are required to hear everyone who wants to speak, or if the chairman can cut it off at any time.

    But they will have a vote when it's over.

    I agree that if it fails, next year, or the year after that, it will be done all over again, and they will have to listen to the same obnoxious crap all over again, and again, until they get it right.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

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    They are still hearing testimony at 1 AM.

    I do not know if they are required to hear everyone who wants to speak, or if the chairman can cut it off at any time.

    But they will have a vote when it's over.

    I agree that if it fails, next year, or the year after that, it will be done all over again, and they will have to listen to the same obnoxious crap all over again, and again, until they get it right.
    Heh,as we've both pointed out,the head Democrats are really no different then the Republicians in the South. If they can find a way to delay the vote this year,and the next and the next,they'll do it unless pressure is applied. And if it means voting for a primary challenger or even a Republician,if it can be done,it should.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

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    Heh,as we've both pointed out,the head Democrats are really no different then the Republicians in the South. If they can find a way to delay the vote this year,and the next and the next,they'll do it unless pressure is applied. And if it means voting for a primary challenger or even a Republician,if it can be done,it should.
    I think those are the magic words here.

    None of us laymen know what is going on behind the curtain, but make no mistake, the Senate leaders would not be holding these votes without intense pressure.

    We did challenge a lot of House members in the last primary, and even though we only got mixed results, I think that's part of why the vote was so lopsided. They don't want to go through that again. The Senate leaders must realize that they're next...

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Rhode Island is a strange state. You have the profoundly anti-gay and vast Portuguese/Italian/Cape Verdean/Hispanic populations, yet you have a Gay Pride that literally shuts down the downtown area, not one but two bathhouses, and you can spit on atleast six gay clubs from one street corner.

    I think this is going to be one of those situations where RI is either going to become more reggressive and more of a shithole, or it'll finally make some positive strides for once.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    The committee finally adjourned at 5 AM... a vote to follow.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    I'm hoping those who are opposed simply grit their teeth and let it go through. They know there will be hell to pay if they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I'm hoping those who are opposed simply grit their teeth and let it go through. They know there will be hell to pay if they don't.
    I'm predicting that's what's going to happen.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Archambault thinks the votes are there in the Senate.

    The committee has yet to schedule a vote, but not because the support is lacking. The committee chairman is anti-gay, and probably wants to delay it as long as he can.

    http://ripr.org/post/archambault-pre...71W7l.facebook

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Sad to say but the Democrats have such a strong hold in RI,it's hard to get the bigoted ones out.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    A Senate committee vote is expected after April 22, when Spring break is over. Informal whip count is that it will pass 6-4. Then Senate President Paiva Weed will hold a Senate vote shortly thereafter, according to her own comments.

    http://equalityontrial.com/2013/04/0...te-this-month/

    Rhode Island and Illinois are now neck and neck to become the 10th state. Although, I'd say passage is more assured in RI.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I can't understand how the state that has Chicago in it can be this slow...
    Having been through southern Illinois, I totally understand.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I can't understand how the state that has Chicago in it can be this slow...
    Because many other parts of it are very red. Even in some liberal areas,many of the pastors are against gay marriage and aren't shy about letting their represenatives know it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    A Senate committee vote is expected after April 22, when Spring break is over. Informal whip count is that it will pass 6-4. Then Senate President Paiva Weed will hold a Senate vote shortly thereafter, according to her own comments.

    http://equalityontrial.com/2013/04/0...te-this-month/

    Rhode Island and Illinois are now neck and neck to become the 10th state. Although, I'd say passage is more assured in RI.
    You just know she's secretly gritting her teeth at having to do this. There have been others but she's been the key reason gay marriage has been blocked in RI.

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    Because many other parts of it are very red.
    Or they are blue and just not the northern brand of Democrat.


    You just know she's secretly gritting her teeth at having to do this. There have been others but she's been the key reason gay marriage has been blocked in RI.
    It's really something when none of leadership supports a bill, but are so determined to bringing to a vote. They know the political ramifications today of not doing it...

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    They do indeed. Unlike other parts of the country,there is hell to pay if they don't go through with this..and the people who have blocked it know it.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

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    They do indeed. Unlike other parts of the country,there is hell to pay if they don't go through with this..and the people who have blocked it know it.
    With the US Senators from the Dakotas just announcing their support, it really would look shitty on Rhode Island if they didn't. It already does being the last New England state, and one without much rural area.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    With the US Senators from the Dakotas just announcing their support, it really would look shitty on Rhode Island if they didn't. It already does being the last New England state, and one without much rural area.
    But as you've pointed out in the past,many of the people blocking it are devote Catholics..and they follow the church's teachings on gay marriage to a tee.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

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    But as you've pointed out in the past,many of the people blocking it are devote Catholics..and they follow the church's teachings on gay marriage to a tee.
    Not enough to lose their jobs over it apparently... How hypocritical.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    At this point,they don't have a choice. Sadly not the case elsewhere.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    At this point,they don't have a choice. Sadly not the case elsewhere.
    Sure they have a choice, between the wise one and the stupid one. The stupid one is to stamp their religion on the state and they know it.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Sure they have a choice, between the wise one and the stupid one. The stupid one is to stamp their religion on the state and they know it.
    Didn't stop them for the years,even in the face of pressure. I think the fact DOMA will most likely be struck down and the pressure from all sides got to them.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

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    Didn't stop them for the years,even in the face of pressure. I think the fact DOMA will most likely be struck down and the pressure from all sides got to them.
    The pressure this year is really unprecedented compared to years ago. Just two years ago we were biting our fingernails over the Senate vote in New York, and we were looking at failure in many states, including my own. Our powers of persuasion weren't what they are today.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Indeed it is..and I never thought in my lifetime that in many places,being against gay marriage would be a losing issue.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Senate committee vote scheduled for Tuesday, April 23.

    http://www.abc6.com/story/22026812/r...-marriage-tues

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    I can see it passing..I believe there are enough votes for it to..propably why Paiva-Weed kept blocking it.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    The entire Republican delegation to the Senate will support the bill.

    http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you...-to-marry.html

    Most importantly we needed Algiere's vote, which was considered a critical swing vote on the committee.

    Nothing short of amazing. The votes are now probably a formality. Rhode Island will be the 10th state.

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    When will the final vote be?
    I think it will be scheduled quickly after today's committee vote.

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    ^^^A final senate vote will likely occur by the end of the week.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    I'll be holding my breath.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Approved by the Senate committee 7-4.

    Better than I expected

    http://www.washingtonblade.com/2013/...marriage-bill/

    The full Senate will vote tomorrow!

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    One more state says yes to marriage equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Isn't it the House? I always have trouble separating those
    The House bill before the Senate tomorrow was voted on in March.

    It is difficult keeping track of all the activity this year I agree.

    I have yet to make a Delaware thread. So busy today! Things are moving fast there, with the House just voting 23-18 to approve their bill, and the Senate committee holding a hearing as well.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Rhode Island should have had marriage equality a long time ago. IMO,it's just another reason why doing it state by state is a stupid idea. Paiva-Weed almost singlehandly held up marriage equality (she had a little help) in Rhode Island until she was backed into a corner.
    It will be worse in other states where there won't be that pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Rhode Island should have had marriage equality a long time ago. IMO,it's just another reason why doing it state by state is a stupid idea. Paiva-Weed almost singlehandly held up marriage equality (she had a little help) in Rhode Island until she was backed into a corner.
    It will be worse in other states where there won't be that pressure.
    There is no opposition from the Democratic leadership in those remaining states where we can make legislative progress as I see it. We're really closing in now on the unconquered blue states, and any opposition Democratic leadership universally recognizes that resistance is futile.

    Here is a summary of where we stand right now and what will happen by 2016:

    Four states are in legislative debate now with final passage that can come at any time.
    New Jersey is in limbo, but some think they will override Christie's veto this summer.
    California will probably be rid of Prop 8 in June.
    Hawaii is the only one left where debate has not started, but likely to start next year.
    New Mexico will have a court battle over Santa Fe's proposal to issue marriages.
    Oregon will repeal its amendment in 2014.
    Nevada and Colorado will do so in 2016, possibly also Michigan and Ohio.

    That gets us to 20-22 states in the next three years. After 2016, it's really just red state amendment repeals by citizen initiative until a SCOTUS mandate.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

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    There is no opposition from the Democratic leadership in those remaining states where we can make legislative progress as I see it. We're really closing in now on the unconquered blue states, and any opposition Democratic leadership universally recognizes that resistance is futile.

    Here is a summary of where we stand right now and what will happen by 2016:

    Four states are in legislative debate now with final passage that can come at any time.
    New Jersey is in limbo, but some think they will override Christie's veto this summer.
    California will probably be rid of Prop 8 in June.
    Hawaii is the only one left where debate has not started, but likely to start next year.
    New Mexico will have a court battle over Santa Fe's proposal to issue marriages.
    Oregon will repeal its amendment in 2014.
    Nevada and Colorado will do so in 2016, possibly also Michigan and Ohio.

    That gets us to 20-22 states in the next three years. After that it's really just red state amendment repeals by citizen initiative.
    I know in Ohio they are debating whether to get a bill out next year but I would really wait until 2016. There is still still enough resistance there that in an off year,putting it on would be a bad idea.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Fabulous!


    I knew I used Rhode Island.

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    I know in Ohio they are debating whether to get a bill out next year but I would really wait until 2016. There is still still enough resistance there that in an off year,putting it on would be a bad idea.
    Freedom to Marry Ohio has the signatures now, almost twice the requirement actually. However, the latest poll in Ohio was pro-equality 48-44 according to Quinnipiac. That is promising but does not look particularly good, especially since previous polls showed much higher support.

    I think Freedom to Marry Ohio will wait for one more poll, and if it isn't good, then they will not submit the signatures. They have until July 3 to make a decision. I'm with you though; I think 2016 will be the best shot. It's a presidential election year when the most youth turn out, and it will give Ohioans another three years to change their minds.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Freedom to Marry Ohio has the signatures now, almost twice the requirement actually. However, the latest poll in Ohio was pro-equality 48-44 according to Quinnipiac. That is promising but does not look particularly good, especially since previous polls showed much higher support.

    I think Freedom to Marry Ohio will wait for one more poll, and if it isn't good, then they will not submit the signatures. They have until July 3 to make a decision. I'm with you though; I think 2016 will be the best shot. It's a presidential election year when the most youth turn out, and it will give Ohioans another three years to change their minds.
    Agreed..and also..if Portman gets primaried based on his support of same sex marriage,I think it will make the push to repeal it that much stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Agreed..and also..if Portman gets primaried based on his support of same sex marriage,I think it will make the push to repeal it that much stronger.
    It would embarrass the GOP to kick Portman over marriage while the state repeals its amendment. Repealing before 2016 would have an interesting affect, Ohio being middle America; the GOP would have a difficult time ever bringing up opposition to marriage equality again.

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    Chris Plante has been hospitalized for a seizure since Saturday. He is the leading opponent of gay marriage in the state as the head of NOM Rhode Island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Chris Plante has been hospitalized for a seizure since Saturday. He is the leading opponent of gay marriage in the state as the head of NOM Rhode Island.
    My heart bleeds for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    My heart bleeds for him.
    He was the one screaming threats at Algiere all weekend, only Algiere and all the other Republicans have come out in support of the bill. I think he lost his wits and the stressed of losing all power caused his medical problems.

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    26-12 the bill passed!

    Now the Senate bill must be confirmed by the House, probably next week according to Gordon Fox. As the title says, they already passed their version by an overwhelming margin. It will just be a formality, so Rhode Island is for all intents and purpose the 10th marriage equality state.

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    Re: Rhode Island House Votes 51-19 for Marriage Equality

    House Speaker Gordon Fox has promised swift approval of the Senate version with a committee vote next Tuesday and a floor vote on Thursday, May 2.

    http://news.providencejournal.com/br...fox-kaers.html

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