President Obama's "Governing Style" - HOSTILITY

[Jack Springer]

Sadly, neither yours, nor Peggy's concerns were taken into account by the American people, and you are both stuck with this evil, divisive, gay-loving Kenyan Muslim from Hell. For - wait for it - four more years!

Why not talk about the article instead of all the nasty hate stuff.

Why continually bring up stuff that people don't believe -- no one here thinks that Obama is a Muslim. I'm sorry you can't accept that his father came from a foreign country. I think Obama embraces his Kenyan heritage -- I embrace my heritage.

Focus on the subject of the thread -- or keep your big mouth shut.

[TX-Beau]

my swallowing not withstanding

peggy is doing pretty damn well - check it - columnist for wsj - syndicated columnist - guest on cable news sun programs

please at least do a little homework before throwing rocks at her under false pretense

think jack nicholson - tom cruise - flight logs

back to topic:
obama is a meanie

Suck it.

The only people who listen to Noonen are the lunatic right.

[chance1]

Suck it.

The only people who listen to Noonen are the lunatic right.

thanks for exposing what we already know

about YOU

Peggy is reasoned and actually often complementary about Pres. Obama

unlike most all of her progressive counterparts

YOU embrace hostility

which explains your dismissal and depiction

such a shame cuz ur swell otherwise

[Jack Springer]

Suck it.

The only people who listen to Noonen are the lunatic right.

Thanks for proving a big point -- you only listen to people you agree with.

[TX-Beau]

Peggy remains a right wing shill no matter how much shit you toss my way.

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Thanks for proving a big point -- you only listen to people you agree with.

Strange, I CAN still hear you!

[Jack Springer]

You are most welcome to put me on hide -- but that would only further prove that you only listen to things you agree with.

Dilemma, huh

[xbuzzerx]

You are most welcome to put me on hide -- but that would only further prove that you only listen to things you agree with.

Dilemma, huh

Jack really.. you shouldn't be pointing fingers at people with claims like "you only listen to people you agree with."

No one here can even remember a time you adopted any stance, position, outrage or anything else that Fox or a right wing blog didn't tell you to.

At least Chance gets creative with inventing outrage over nothings that not even Fox News thought up.

[TX-Beau]

Dilemma? I like to laugh at your silliness.

...refrain from Jack...

"you only listen to things you agree with (pout)." Juvenile attempt to avoid the fact that Peggy is a right wing shill.

...refrain from Jack...

OF COURSE I listen to Peggy, just like I listen to you! Then I have a good laugh and dismiss. Why would I start agreeing with things I don't agree with? It would be utterly stupid to suggest I do otherwise.

...refrain from Jack...

ARE you that stupid? Inquiring minds want to know!

...refrain from Jack...

There - we've had that conversation, let's move on to what Chance may or may not be swallowing.

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

This thread is a prime example of why I don't post here regularly anymore. Just reading through it makes my skin itch.

Blecch.

(and cue Chance with something nasty to say in three, two....)

[Rolyo85]

Why not talk about the article instead of all the nasty hate stuff.

Why continually bring up stuff that people don't believe -- no one here thinks that Obama is a Muslim. I'm sorry you can't accept that his father came from a foreign country. I think Obama embraces his Kenyan heritage -- I embrace my heritage.

Focus on the subject of the thread -- or keep your big mouth shut.

I already did talk about the article, on page one. I suggest reading the entire topic before you respond -- or keep your big mouth shut.

Oh, and don't mistake irony and gloating for hate. [text removed by moderator]

[GiancarloC]

Jack,

I hope you enjoyed your time away - perhaps a second voice will convince the lovelorn to open their minds and at least read the piece before the standard responses - you know we found this week evidence of responses w/o reading - imagine

you presented peggy's case very well - she simply outlines his words and actions in recent times - it's pretty basic stuff

he's being a hard ass and painting the repubs as enemies to the american people - not the time or the tone that's befitting of the office or the man

thanks jack

Asides from citing a garbage poll, how was he supporting the Bush lover Peggy Noonan's case effectively? Why is Noonan even relevant anymore? What does she do aside from write articles? She's not an insider.

I've already ripped the case apart.

And yep, the republicans need someone to kick them in the ass and I'm glad Obama is standing up for himself. He's been way too docile for way too long.

[GiancarloC]

Peggy is reasoned and actually often complementary about Pres. Obama

She's a neo-con and I don't care for "I like his one policy stance but... he's in general an asshole"... yeah, that's real "complimentary". Peggy is nothing more than a right wing hack that doesn't have any credibility.

[palemale]

Perhaps it is a good time to ponder FDR's words about the business class and the Republicans right before his second term. It seems to me President Obama is taking his cues from FDR. Not a bad president to emulate.

[Jack Springer]

She's a neo-con and I don't care for "I like his one policy stance but... he's in general an asshole"... yeah, that's real "complimentary". Peggy is nothing more than a right wing hack that doesn't have any credibility.

You're missing the fact that Obama said the nasty things about republicans and the people who don't agree with him -- take Noonan's words out of the equation.

What do you have to say about what Obama said?

[xbuzzerx]

You're missing the fact that Obama said the nasty things about republicans and the people who don't agree with him -- take Noonan's words out of the equation.

What do you have to say about what Obama said?

Good. We're all tired of your crap and your Congress's crap.

How do you like that?

[Rolyo85]

You're missing the fact that Obama said the nasty things about republicans and the people who don't agree with him -- take Noonan's words out of the equation.

What do you have to say about what Obama said?

That he was right to say it, and he has the US people's support to say it. The US people voted for him. They HATE Congress. Four more years!

[GiancarloC]

You're missing the fact that Obama said the nasty things about republicans and the people who don't agree with him -- take Noonan's words out of the equation.

What do you have to say about what Obama said?

Obama said the nasty things about republicans? Pay attention please. Obama has been quite docile and compromising the last four years, and now the gloves are off.

I support everything Obama has said about the dark eyes of hostility and insidious treachery. Republicans have never accepted Obama from day one and not once in the past four years have they ever indicated they would be willing to work with him. They presented a brick wall approach and Obama has showed up with a wrecking ball.

And if one were to look at what republicans have said about Obama... they would have the dictionary definition of nastiness and pettiness. And I will reiterate, Noonan is irrelevant and has been since the Bush administration.

[Ninja108]

From the first day Obama was elected,the Republician party's strategy was to simply say no to anything and everything Obama did.
It failed yet they still want to play the game they've been playing for the last four years. Enough is enough and it was high time Obama said what he did.

[chance1]

So what we have finally

Is the 85 actually agreeing with Peggy about the hostility

After initially shooting the messenger

But suggesting that its warranted and just

The party over the people.

Sounds like a Col. Jessup "code red" moment .

You know what happened to him

[Jack Springer]

I have to say Obama is no Clinton. Bubba still talked with people he disagreed with and still worked with them for the good of the country.

Obama comes across as an arrogant prick who wants it his way or no way.

I hope he comes the the realization that he has to work together to get things done like other Presidents have done in the past otherwise it's going to be a very long four years.

[Rolyo85]

UM, we agreed from the beginning. We just see it as a leader who finally leads, yunno...

[chance1]

Did u order the code red ???

Come on people

[Ninja108]

I have to say Obama is no Clinton. Bubba still talked with people he disagreed with and still worked with them for the good of the country.

Obama comes across as an arrogant prick who wants it his way or no way.

I hope he comes the the realization that he has to work together to get things done like other Presidents have done in the past otherwise it's going to be a very long four years.

That works both ways Jack,something you and the rest of the Fox News supporters keep forgetting.

[xbuzzerx]

I have to say Obama is no Clinton. Bubba still talked with people he disagreed with and still worked with them for the good of the country.

Obama comes across as an arrogant prick who wants it his way or no way.

I hope he comes the the realization that he has to work together to get things done like other Presidents have done in the past otherwise it's going to be a very long four years.

Bubba wasn't filibustered 270 times by a Republican representation in Congress hellbent on opposing everything he wanted as if it was something they were diametrically opposed to.

You can repeat this junk all you like, Jack. It doesn't change the fact that the political strategy was materially different and the Republicans since Obama took office have been against everything-- it doesn't matter what it is. Small business help, veteran help, embassy security funding, you name it. They're against it. Because it's coming while Obama is in office.

[Jack Springer]

Bubba worked with Congress ... even during the time of his lying and the impeachment he kept focused on his job.

You need to read more about politics -- it's not a one way street. People give and take.

[Rolyo85]

Bubba worked with Congress ... even during the time of his lying and the impeachment he kept focused on his job.

You need to read more about politics -- it's not a one way street. People give and take.

I call hypocrisy. I DARE you to tell us Congress has tried working with Obama and he has refused to cooperate. I dare you. Come on. Say it!

[xbuzzerx]

Bubba worked with Congress ... even during the time of his lying and the impeachment he kept focused on his job.

You need to read more about politics -- it's not a one way street. People give and take.

You repeat this over. And over. And over. And over.

What has changed is not Democrats trying to work with Republicans. They've bent over backwards in the attempt to do so.

You apparently missed the fact that when the first healthcare bill received a long list of demands from Republicans in order to pass it, it was amended with those modifications... brought back... and rejected again.

That process has completely characterized the entirety of the Republican response to anything Obama has tried to do. Everything has required the ability to go over a filibuster, no matter what it was.

You have absolutely no basis to say former Democrats worked with Republicans and the current Democrat doesn't. You just repeat it over and over like a leaky faucet.

[Jack Springer]

I call hypocrisy. I DARE you to tell us Congress has tried working with Obama and he has refused to cooperate. I dare you. Come on. Say it!

Read the article in the OP.

[Rolyo85]

Read the article in the OP.

Already did, and said so in page one. Another fail for Jack's attention span.

I see even you don't have the guts to take me on my dare. Perhaps because even you aren't brainwashed enough to actually truly believe what you say. But if you're gonna keep implying it's Obama's fault that congress does nothing, be a man and say it directly.

If you dare.

[GiancarloC]

Bubba worked with Congress ... even during the time of his lying and the impeachment he kept focused on his job.

You need to read more about politics -- it's not a one way street. People give and take.

Bubba worked with Congress? Yeah, until Newt Gingrich got in there and was confrontational... and the government ended up getting shut down. Either way, that was during a time of great economic expansion.

In this case, Congress has failed massively in working together or even with the President. The House of Representatives has done absolutely nothing to help this President. The filibuster has been used a record amount of times. Deal with the facts please.

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So what we have finally

Is the 85 actually agreeing with Peggy about the hostility

After initially shooting the messenger

But suggesting that its warranted and just

The party over the people.

Sounds like a Col. Jessup "code red" moment .

You know what happened to him

Peggy is a Bush neo-con that has no relevance to the real world. She lost her credibility years ago when she became a Bush apologist.

[chrisrobin]

Bubba worked with Congress ... even during the time of his lying and the impeachment he kept focused on his job.

You need to read more about politics -- it's not a one way street. People give and take.

[Nick4444]

that it should be a moment of unity, not division - instead the President chooses a different path



a great read - dead on actually - about this divisive President who appears to be approaching his 2nd (and thankfully final) term with the spirit of ......... well no spirit at all

http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html

actually there is spirit, but the dynamic is anti-American, and totalitarian

but, fortunately, it is his final term, but soon the impacts of his influence and machinations will soon lead to a realization by large numbers of those who voted for him what a tragic mistake that election is

[Rolyo85]

actually there is spirit, but the dynamic is anti-American, and totalitarian

but, fortunately, it is his final term, but soon the impacts of his influence and machinations will soon lead to a realization by large numbers of those who voted for him what a tragic mistake that election is

But will it soon be soon this will soon happen will?

[kayman23]

My ass itches...

[Nick4444]

But will it soon be soon this will soon happen will?

lol
should stay sober before I log on

[Nick4444]

But will it soon be soon this will soon happen will?

not soon enough

let's try again:

Hopefully there will be a realization among those who voted for him, what a tragic mistake that was

[GiancarloC]

actually there is spirit, but the dynamic is anti-American, and totalitarian

but, fortunately, it is his final term, but soon the impacts of his influence and machinations will soon lead to a realization by large numbers of those who voted for him what a tragic mistake that election is

LOL straight from Faux News... did this come recycled from Bill O'Reilly?

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not soon enough

let's try again:

Hopefully there will be a realization among those who voted for him, what a tragic mistake that was

Total BS. The real mistake is voting republican.

TRagic mistake blah blah blah... the real tragic mistake on the part of this country was voting in Bush for eight years and having to deal with these tea party republicans. Obama was no mistake... he has managed his job well in a democratic way.

A tragic mistake is making almost ridiculous attacks because of some preconceived notion about Obama, and gay people siding with republicans because they can't stand Obama. That's the REAL TRAGIC MISTAKE. Maybe if the Obama haters would open their eyes and stop blindly attacking the guy they would see Obama has done well for this nation and truly cares about its people. But the pompous arrogance on the part of the political right will not permit that.

[CTF]

<reads the room backs out slowly>

[chance1]

Peggy is a Bush neo-con that has no relevance to the real world. She lost her credibility years ago when she became a Bush apologist.

your response to my post was in NO WAY connected to my point

slow down and read first

my point was ......

there's been acknowledgement by some members (the loud ones) that the Pres. was in fact hostile - what Peggy said

but that it was ok to be so ........ given the circumstance

do you understand the point? and what say you on that point ?

[GiancarloC]

It was connected to her credibility, so lets stop citing her. She is wrong and doesn't have her facts right. Just another out of touch journalist.

Enough said.

Did I mention she is a neo-con?

That's my point.

Right?

[xbuzzerx]

your response to my post was in NO WAY connected to my point

slow down and read first

my point was ......

there's been acknowledgement by some members (the loud ones) that the Pres. was in fact hostile - what Peggy said

but that it was ok to be so ........ given the circumstance

do you understand the point? and what say you on that point ?

It's pretty obvious that anything short of completely surrendering and proposing Republican legislation on Obama's part is construed as "uncooperative, uncompromising, unreasonable, hostile, aggressive, etc."

[chance1]

It was connected to her credibility, so lets stop citing her. She is wrong and doesn't have her facts right. Just another out of touch journalist.

Enough said.

Did I mention she is a neo-con?

That's my point.

Right?

well u can keep repeating yourself denigrating peggy - but her reputation and status and achievement speaks for itself

and u quoted a point i made and just repeated your unfounded partisan "she sucks"

which had nothing to do with my point that you quoted

that's not how it works

[GiancarloC]

well u can keep repeating yourself denigrating peggy - but her reputation and status and achievement speaks for itself

Her reputation and status?

She's mostly ignored. People stopped paying attention to her during the Bush years when she became a Bush apologist. She's not an insider either. And she doesn't know how Obama operates.

And yes, that's how it does work

[chance1]

Her reputation and status?

She's mostly ignored. People stopped paying attention to her during the Bush years when she became a Bush apologist. She's not an insider either. And she doesn't know how Obama operates.

And yes, that's how it does work

yeah - she writes for the WSJ and her column is syndicated

SUCCESS

she gets guest spots on cable and network news programs

SUCCESS

u should only hope to have a shred or her success

you just don't like her political leanings

that's just too bad - u have to learn how to deal with that

but i don't have time to try to teach u

[GiancarloC]

yeah - she writes for the WSJ and her column is syndicated

A conservative windbag paper... okay...

Not success.

she gets guest spots on cable and network news programs

So does Sarah Palin.

u should only hope to have a shred or her success

you just don't like her political leanings

that's just too bad - u have to learn how to deal with that

but i don't have time to try to teach u

Oh yes, now resort to personal attacks. I'm successful in my own life and I have credibility, as well as a Masters Degree in Political Science. Like it or not, I do have some standing... if we are going to make this personal.

And quite honestly I'm tired of this "I'm right because I say so" haiku nonsense... give me something real to work with. There are many writers out there that don't have credibility. And going on TV shows doesn't make someone more credible.

[Rolyo85]

So we're NOT saying that Congress would have totally worked with Obama if only he was "nicer" then? I see nobody here has the balls to say it right out. All folks can muster are vague insinuations, so that they can backpedal if asked directly...

*smirk*

[xbuzzerx]

Yeah I really don't get what's being said here. That people weren't invited to Obama's private birthday party so they felt offended and refused to work with him because he was so mean and rude?

You're in Congress. It's your job to pass legislation on behalf of your constituents. Not to block everything regardless of what it is because its origin is the other party.

[CTF]

SUCCESS

she gets guest spots on cable and network news programs

SUCCESS

u should only hope to have a shred or her success

Please tell me HOW I couldn't see this argument coming?

So I'll just be stoopid about it:

EVERYBODY IN AMERICA WANT'S TO BE PEGGY NOONAN!

But apparently don't want her publicist.

you just don't like her political leanings

that's just too bad - u have to learn how to deal with that

What a "cop out!"

It's her opinion, without acknowledging her own culpability as a commentator that I take offense with, NOT her perceived politics.

I've worked as a journalists, and have been published, and I've learned to recognize a responsibility to my readers and to my editors to be responsible for what I write.

And frankly, this thread seems to have reduced Peggy Noonan as nothing more than "Anne Coulter Light."

And that's your best defense?

you just don't like her political leanings

DUDE! You're better than that!

Meanwhile, I'll just sit back here being an asshole.


Call me.

[Kulindahr]

Bubba worked with Congress ... even during the time of his lying and the impeachment he kept focused on his job.

You need to read more about politics -- it's not a one way street. People give and take.

This has got to be one of the most deceptive and deceitful statements I've ever seen. All it takes is paying attention to the House of Representatives to know that "people give and take" does not apply in the least to the Republicans any longer -- they give nothing, but only take. Clinton managed to "work with Congress" because he dealt with a Congress that was willing to work; Obama is dealing with a Congress dominated by the same sort of fools who brought down the Roman Republic: they're set only on winning, not on the good of the Republic.

[Kulindahr]

Read the article in the OP.

We have, Jack. You read Do Not Ask What Good We Do -- it lays out the vile predatory nature of the Tea Party and their stranglehold on all that is sensible in the Republican Party. Their quite deliberate strategy has been to get absolutely nothing useful done, because Obama might be able to take credit for things more substantive than naming post offices. They are either evil, or not all all smarter than fifth graders, holding onto fantasies and believing in magic instead of reason.