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    Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    So, I stumbled upon this thing:

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...ns-traced-noah

    It's horrifying, I just hope there is enough Internet in those kids' lives to counter the Christianism... Here's a sample:

    -Instructional material in two school districts teach that racial diversity today can be traced back to Noah’s sons, a long-discredited claim that has been a foundational component of some forms of racism.

    Excessive Quote from Copyrighted Source Truncated: © 2004-12 Texas Freedom Network and TFN Education Fund. All Rights Reserved

    Direct Source Link: http://tfninsider.org/2013/01/16/new...ear-old-earth/


    Btw, is anything more accurate than the word "Christianist" for this?
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Boy will the Texans be "tetchy" about this. And probably Kansas follows suit.

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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    So, I stumbled upon this thing:

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...ns-traced-noah

    It's horrifying, I just hope there is enough Internet in those kids' lives to counter the Christianism... Here's a sample:





    Btw, is anything more accurate than the word "Christianist" for this?
    You all are actually shocked by this. I went to a Christian school where they were saying this mess.

    The Abrahamic religions are disgustingly racist.

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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    If that surprises you Rolyo, I got something that'll blow your mind.

    Essentially all legal title in the U.S. stems back to Discovery Doctrine, a legal principle that all rights to land held by non-Christians is subordinate upon discovery by Christian people. Recently deceased Supreme Court Justice Rehnquist was a particular defender of it. It is ultimately the legal justification for Congressional Plenary Power and all land taken from Native Americans.

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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Christianism is scary..
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Btw, is anything more accurate than the word "Christianist" for this?
    It's perfect: it indicates that this is a political agenda, not a spiritual one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    The Abrahamic religions are disgustingly racist.
    Yeah, right -- that's why the Bible teaches that there's no difference between Jew or Gentile or anything else.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Christianism is scary..
    As a dedicated Christian, I have to agree. There has never been a "Christian" movement that turned primarily to and on politics which has accomplished anything good (with the arguable exceptions of a few German princes in Martin Luther's time).

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Not surprised in the least. Just a coincidence that states with the best public schools are in liberal states? I don't think so. If demographics and voting patterns mean anything, Texas will be a blue state in 20 years.

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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Texas will be a blue state in 20 years.
    One can only hope so for the sake of the Nation!
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    If that surprises you Rolyo, I got something that'll blow your mind.

    Essentially all legal title in the U.S. stems back to Discovery Doctrine, a legal principle that all rights to land held by non-Christians is subordinate upon discovery by Christian people. Recently deceased Supreme Court Justice Rehnquist was a particular defender of it. It is ultimately the legal justification for Congressional Plenary Power and all land taken from Native Americans.
    Another barbaric part of US history that must be destroyed for our Constitution gurantees seperation of state and freedom of religion. So Native Americans and non Christian groups should be given equal rights.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It's perfect: it indicates that this is a political agenda, not a spiritual one.



    Yeah, right -- that's why the Bible teaches that there's no difference between Jew or Gentile or anything else.
    Jesus is Yahweh's son right and Yahweh teaches in the Old Testament that black people are a cursed race. Plus the Bible says that Jews and Gentiles are one in faith it does not proclaim racial equality. Just like the fact that men and women are allegedly one in Christ does not change the fact that the authors in the Bible mandated male supremacy and women are expected to obey men and are not permitted to be priestesses.
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Jesus - TEXAS is scary? Try Wyoming.
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Not surprised in the least. Just a coincidence that states with the best public schools are in liberal states? I don't think so. If demographics and voting patterns mean anything, Texas will be a blue state in 20 years.
    I certainly hope you know what you are talking about!
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Wyoming isn't 1/4 of the country...
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Boy will the Texans be "tetchy" about this. And probably Kansas follows suit.
    And, here you have a picture of what Texas is becoming, or has become for many years in the past.
    The "Christians" here are gonna preach their hatred and false information to all children. Hopefully this sect will die out.
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    The Republican invasion of the 70s is starting to get their way. We've gotta stop it.
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Wyoming isn't 1/4 of the country...
    Neither are crazy religious nut-jobs from Texas. The rest of the country just likes to pretend so they don't have to acknowledge the religious nut-jobs in their backyards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    The Republican invasion of the 70s is starting to get their way. We've gotta stop it.
    Yeah, and no one wants to admit that these guys came from the midwest.
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    In fairness to TX-Beau here Texas does definitely have cities that you could transplant to CA and they'd fit in just fine, like Austin.

    West and East Texas though, shudder.

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    Dude, INDIANA has places you could transplant to CA
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Dude, INDIANA has places you could transplant to CA
    We dont' want them. Icky NASCAR people.

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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    And, here you have a picture of what Texas is becoming, or has become for many years in the past.
    The "Christians" here are gonna preach their hatred and false information to all children.
    Isn't Texas such a huge textbook market, too, that a lot of other states are getting in on the "big-volume gravy train" and buying textbooks written for Texas schools? It's spreading, like cancer does.
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    We dont' want them. Icky NASCAR people.
    Then you can have our Icky NASCAR people! That would take care of my older brother.
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Isn't Texas such a huge textbook market, too, that a lot of other states are getting in on the "big-volume gravy train" and buying textbooks written for Texas schools? It's spreading, like cancer does.
    That's what I meant by "The "Christians" here are gonna preach their hatred and false information to all children. ". I should have made that much clearer. The Texas School Board are the GOPpers that rewrite the text books. Including creationism and removing main characters in the Constitution. They say evolution does not exist and of course climate change. I can think of more later!
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    Jesus is Yahweh's son right and Yahweh teaches in the Old Testament that black people are a cursed race.
    I'm not even going to ask where you got that, though with your bitter and arrogant attitude toward everything I strongly suspect you love the pro-slavery preachers from the Old South who reveled in such lies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    Plus the Bible says that Jews and Gentiles are one in faith it does not proclaim racial equality.
    Yes, it does. That was realized early on by Christians; there has been a strong Christian voice against slavery since the second or possibly first century.

    It's grammar school math, really: (human being ) = (image of God), ergo all human beings are equal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    Just like the fact that men and women are allegedly one in Christ does not change the fact that the authors in the Bible mandated male supremacy and women are expected to obey men and are not permitted to be priestesses.
    See above.

    You love to strut and prate about Christianity and the Bible when you know nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Then you can have our Icky NASCAR people! That would take care of my older brother.
    No please keep those ones. We'll take Austinites though.

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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    Another barbaric part of US history that must be destroyed for our Constitution gurantees seperation of state and freedom of religion. So Native Americans and non Christian groups should be given equal rights.


    Jesus is Yahweh's son right and Yahweh teaches in the Old Testament that black people are a cursed race. Plus the Bible says that Jews and Gentiles are one in faith it does not proclaim racial equality. Just like the fact that men and women are allegedly one in Christ does not change the fact that the authors in the Bible mandated male supremacy and women are expected to obey men and are not permitted to be priestesses.
    Please. It is only the Father and the Holy Spirit that are misogynistic and genocidal, the Son said to hug everybody. And not to ask about the other two.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    Another barbaric part of US history that must be destroyed for our Constitution gurantees seperation of state and freedom of religion. So Native Americans and non Christian groups should be given equal rights.


    Jesus is Yahweh's son right and Yahweh teaches in the Old Testament that black people are a cursed race. Plus the Bible says that Jews and Gentiles are one in faith it does not proclaim racial equality. Just like the fact that men and women are allegedly one in Christ does not change the fact that the authors in the Bible mandated male supremacy and women are expected to obey men and are not permitted to be priestesses.
    It wouldn't, would it? Social equality becomes a prominent concept only after the Age of Enlightenment.

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    If that surprises you Rolyo, I got something that'll blow your mind.

    Essentially all legal title in the U.S. stems back to Discovery Doctrine, a legal principle that all rights to land held by non-Christians is subordinate upon discovery by Christian people. Recently deceased Supreme Court Justice Rehnquist was a particular defender of it. It is ultimately the legal justification for Congressional Plenary Power and all land taken from Native Americans.
    Right of conquest was also recognized as legitimate until the 20th century.
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    Re: Christianist Dogma, a.k.a. Texas is Scary O.o

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    It wouldn't, would it? Social equality becomes a prominent concept only after the Age of Enlightenment.



    Right of conquest was also recognized as legitimate until the 20th century.
    You're not suggesting religions coopted Enlightenment values in a bid to remain credible and relevant are you?

    Also it is interesting that Right of Conquest was delegitimised going forward but not retrospectively.

    Also also, while its is clear that colonists in north and South America, and Australia, and Africa, imposed their own notion of land title, it is not clear that these places had established any better preexisting system of land title to which the colonists could have subscribed. Other than perhaps saying "the land cannot be claimed; it is the land." Which would please perhaps no one but, now that I think about it, Kulindahr.

    Coming in and taking over with force is distasteful today, but that's how disputes were settled in old European countries and between societies in places that eventually became colonies of European powers.
    Last edited by bankside; January 22nd, 2013 at 02:06 PM.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    You're not suggesting religions coopted Enlightenment values in a bid to remain credible and relevant are you?

    Also it is interesting that Right of Conquest was delegitimised going forward but not retrospectively.

    Also also, while its is clear that colonists in north and South America, and Australia, and Africa, imposed their own notion of land title, it is not clear that these places had their own notion of land title to which the colonists could have subscribed. Coming in and taking over with force is distasteful today, but that's how disputes were settled in old European countries and between societies in places that eventually became colonies of European powers.
    It's true that entirely different cultural worldviews and hsitories about the concept of property were clashing in the settlement of the Americas.

    However not having a notion of land title to which the newcomers could subscribe was made rather moot by the point that they didn't honestly care what the native concept of landholding was-- and, the bits of it they did understand, they used to their advantage to press the signing of land cession documents knowing that the Natives had only a vague and novel concept of permanent "title" to land.

    The historical preference for the 'legitimacy' of ownership via titles and written documents for establishing superior claim is still alive and well, perhaps even moreso than in the past, but in the case of early contact we should bear in mind only one side was doing the claiming and writing and written documenting. In one particular case I know of, white colonists near the Iroquois Confederacy decided they didn't like the limits on their last treaty and said well, since they don't write and since we have the document, let's just go back and claim it said something other than it actually did. When they did so the Iroquois called out their "memory keepers" who recited, line for line by memory, the conditions of the treaty verbatim.

    Busted.

    Of course, that's one story. Had no one written that story down we would just think the treaty had said all along whatever the colonists wanted it to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    No please keep those ones. We'll take Austinites though.
    Actually, Corpus Christi ain't bad. If you like Latinos, it's perfect!
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