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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I've said before in CEP that mental health was the problem. Violence in TV, movies, and games stirs people with weak will and mental illness to act upon their desires.

    I do know that visuals stimulate the human mind -- look at pornography -- we watch it to get excited about having sex. Most people just jack off or have sex with a partner. Then, there are those that take it to the extreme and the porno excites them to do horrible acts of sex abuse and even murder.

    I think it's hypocritical to isolate 'the arts' from the discussion and cause of violence. However, I can understand how elitists cannot see the connection.
    How about all the ones who already have those urges and get relief from watching porn or violent movies?

    I can't rule out that this type of material might be increasing the likelihood of violence acts or sexual abuse for some.

    But at the same time I can't rule out that it might actually decrease the likelihood for others.

    You can easily find studies with both of these results so it's far from being a certain thing whether the negatives or positives are stronger.

    Today we have media which is obsessed about covering the negative to get more viewers. Although it might appear that things are just getting worse and worse, again, we are still living in one of the most peaceful times of human history.

    I'm not sure what the experience is in other countries but I'm pretty sure youth violence is less severe now than it was decades ago. My grandfather used to shake his head over the news coverage claiming it was much worse when he was a boy and young boys were already fighting on a level you only see with teens today.

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    The thing I don't get is why is Tarantino supposed to be some sort of expert on violence in media. He is a B lister at an imagined best. (I've being very generous.) He's in actuality a possible C but a good solid D.

    He is input is irrelevant. He makes gratuitously violent B movies. (Again I'm being generous.)

    When you think about it the APA estimates that 2% of the general population exhibit sociopath tendencies. Most of these people are lonely miserable socially inept folks. They don't have violent tendencies. These are the usual weird cousin or the cat lady next door or the old cantankerous fart down the street with the "keep off grass" signs on his front lawn. Do some of these very people play violent video games? It is quite possible.

    Then there are those that exhibit violent tendencies. These people have a pathology which is very disturbing. They start to collect violent imagery whether it be movies, news clips, pictures, youtube screen caps and books about murderers. Sometimes these people are overt in their tendencies. They act out publicly. They get in trouble with juvenile authorities more often than not. These are probably the only ones that can be identified early enough to do something about it. Do these people play violent video games? It is quite probable.

    Those that just sit a home and simmer are the problems. If these people never act out, never get in trouble, never demonstrate violent behavior, or never vocalize threats, how are they to be identified.

    Therein lies the rub. I agree that mental illness is a problem. I am just wary of how to identify potential problems.

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    The thing I don't get is why is Tarantino supposed to be some sort of expert on violence in media. He is a B lister at an imagined best. (I've being very generous.) He's in actuality a possible C but a good solid D.

    He is input is irrelevant. He makes gratuitously violent B movies. (Again I'm being generous.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I've said before in CEP that mental health was the problem. Violence in TV, movies, and games stirs people with weak will and mental illness to act upon their desires.

    I do know that visuals stimulate the human mind -- look at pornography -- we watch it to get excited about having sex. Most people just jack off or have sex with a partner. Then, there are those that take it to the extreme and the porno excites them to do horrible acts of sex abuse and even murder.

    I think it's hypocritical to isolate 'the arts' from the discussion and cause of violence. However, I can understand how elitists cannot see the connection.
    Oh yea right. Violence has been every where for centuries. TV, movies and games...stop trying to attack them. There are bigger problems in society, and one of the problems include the rabid gun culture in America. Why is it so difficult to address the actual causes? Instead some in the GOP want to make it more difficult for gamers like me to enjoy a game like Far Cry 3. and go as far as possibly engaging in censorship.

    And thanks for insulting those on the left as elitists... when the GOP is being funded by the Koch Brothers, you are left wondering who are the real elitists.

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I've said before in CEP that mental health was the problem. Violence in TV, movies, and games stirs people with weak will and mental illness to act upon their desires.

    I do know that visuals stimulate the human mind -- look at pornography -- we watch it to get excited about having sex. Most people just jack off or have sex with a partner. Then, there are those that take it to the extreme and the porno excites them to do horrible acts of sex abuse and even murder.

    I think it's hypocritical to isolate 'the arts' from the discussion and cause of violence. However, I can understand how elitists cannot see the connection.
    Jack this is supposition. Studies don't bear out any connection on the individual level between exposure to violent entertainment and likelihood to personally carry out violence. If we accept that violent entertainment prompts even some small percentage of people to mindlessly repeat what they saw in movies or videogames in real life, then we are still left with the mystery of why every nation with a ridiculously low crime rate and almost no public murder spree record to speak of still watches these movies and plays these videogames. Japan, for example.

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    The thing I don't get is why is Tarantino supposed to be some sort of expert on violence in media. He is a B lister at an imagined best. (I've being very generous.) He's in actuality a possible C but a good solid D.

    He is input is irrelevant. He makes gratuitously violent B movies. (Again I'm being generous.)

    When you think about it the APA estimates that 2% of the general population exhibit sociopath tendencies. Most of these people are lonely miserable socially inept folks. They don't have violent tendencies. These are the usual weird cousin or the cat lady next door or the old cantankerous fart down the street with the "keep off grass" signs on his front lawn. Do some of these very people play violent video games? It is quite possible.

    Then there are those that exhibit violent tendencies. These people have a pathology which is very disturbing. They start to collect violent imagery whether it be movies, news clips, pictures, youtube screen caps and books about murderers. Sometimes these people are overt in their tendencies. They act out publicly. They get in trouble with juvenile authorities more often than not. These are probably the only ones that can be identified early enough to do something about it. Do these people play violent video games? It is quite probable.

    Those that just sit a home and simmer are the problems. If these people never act out, never get in trouble, never demonstrate violent behavior, or never vocalize threats, how are they to be identified.

    Therein lies the rub. I agree that mental illness is a problem. I am just wary of how to identify potential problems.
    B movies... I bet you would suck a dick for a tenth of his B paycheck for those B movies... lol...

    Forget the thread ... Someone doesnt like QT movies... its on Bitch!!!

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    B movies... I bet you would suck a dick for a tenth of his B paycheck for those B movies... lol...

    Forget the thread ... Someone doesnt like QT movies... its on Bitch!!!

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    Right?



    Amazingly, I've never killed anyone with a sword after watching this movie.

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I've said before in CEP that mental health was the problem. Violence in TV, movies, and games stirs people with weak will and mental illness to act upon their desires.

    I do know that visuals stimulate the human mind -- look at pornography -- we watch it to get excited about having sex. Most people just jack off or have sex with a partner. Then, there are those that take it to the extreme and the porno excites them to do horrible acts of sex abuse and even murder.

    I think it's hypocritical to isolate 'the arts' from the discussion and cause of violence. However, I can understand how elitists cannot see the connection.
    Just how would you go about 'fixing' this without penalizing the innocent as a gamble to inhibit the guilty?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    B movies... I bet you would suck a dick for a tenth of his B paycheck for those B movies... lol...

    Forget the thread ... Someone doesnt like QT movies... its on Bitch!!!

    jk
    QT movies, as it were, are mindless drivel. I appreciate good cinema. Thank you very much.

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    QT movies, as it were, are mindless drivel. I appreciate good cinema. Thank you very much.
    That's a matter of opinion.

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    QT movies, as it were, are mindless drivel. I appreciate good cinema. Thank you very much.
    I honestly don't see how your personal opinion of the quality of QT movies is material to anything in discussion here.

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    For those who think movie directors are in part to blame for real violence, i'd like to hear, if Quentin Tarantino gets the thumb down, who gets the thumbs up?

    What films are OK by you?

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    ......Chicago, maybe?

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ......Chicago, maybe?


    Blatantly that won't do. Condoning women to make a life for themselves when a women's place is in the...

    ...oh....and the murder thing right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    For those who think movie directors are in part to blame for real violence, i'd like to hear, if Quentin Tarantino gets the thumb down, who gets the thumbs up?

    What films are OK by you?
    Disney. Although I've known little girls raised primarily on Disney Princess movies and let me tell ya... most of them were EVIL. They certainly didn't learn how to be a little princess watching them.
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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Princess type of cartoons promote obsolete gender roles so they must be banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    That's a matter of opinion.
    As is everything here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    I honestly don't see how your personal opinion of the quality of QT movies is material to anything in discussion here.
    Thanks for your opinion.

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    I do like your stating your opinion. No matter how deranged it appears among the rest of us. So besides good wholesome violence what is your 'cinema' that you enjoy... give us an example of good please.

    I will warn you though... so you can judge my opinions... I think Pulp Fiction is quite possibly the most impressive theater experience of my lifetime. It is uniquely original and has spawned an entire generation of movies. My days aren't over by a long shot but I will be surprised if something eclipses that movie in effective change for the industry.

    QT's movies are very violent and therefore the perfect artistic rendering of America.
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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quentin Tarantino knows as much about movie violence as Mary Shelley knew about organ transplantation.

    It is proper that Tarantino should refuse to answer questions about a subject of which he knows nothing.

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Dammit Barney.... why ya gotta get back to subject... jeesh...

    I agree BTW. I wish more hollywood types would not use their public access to promote their political beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I do like your stating your opinion. No matter how deranged it appears among the rest of us. So besides good wholesome violence what is your 'cinema' that you enjoy... give us an example of good please.

    I will warn you though... so you can judge my opinions... I think Pulp Fiction is quite possibly the most impressive theater experience of my lifetime. It is uniquely original and has spawned an entire generation of movies. My days aren't over by a long shot but I will be surprised if something eclipses that movie in effective change for the industry.

    QT's movies are very violent and therefore the perfect artistic rendering of America.
    I interpret your comment about my opinion to mean I'm not a little pink sheeple like most of the guys on this forum. I've only been back on here a few days after years. I just got tired of the groupthink which seems to be pandemic in many gay venues. The more things change the more they stay the same.

    Pulp Fiction is one of those "things" that a lot of people "say" they like because there is a perception that making such a statement identifies them as cool. I have to admit I too have succumbed to the same thing when I was younger. I'm too old to give a flying rat's ass what anyone thinks now.

    I suppose the most recent actually good film I have seen is "The King's Speech". I consider a good film to be one that you could watch again and again and get a little something more each time.

    A bad movie is one that you have to suffer through just because you've paid money to see it. There are bad movies that are still fun, Rocky Horror Picture Show or Killer Clowns from Outer Space fall into this category. Those are the movies that are so bad you have to sit through it just to make fun of it.

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    And what's the so called "group think"? Many of us hardly agree with each other on a variety of issues. Just take a look at the rest of threads on here. And asides from that, I am not even a fan of Tarantino. But I don't think his movies are crap.

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    Lol, homophobia, elitism and misguided movie snobbism in one post. Neat ^_^

    Frankly, I find that there's nothing more boring and stereotypical than someone obsessing over not being part of the herd...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    And what's the so called "group think"? Many of us hardly agree with each other on a variety of issues. Just take a look at the rest of threads on here. And asides from that, I am not even a fan of Tarantino. But I don't think his movies are crap.

    There really does seem to be a pervading groupthink on many of the gay forums. I'm not naive enough to believe that there is a forum free from an agenda in the worst case scenario or a point of view in the best case scenario. Everyone has a particular bent. I know that from this forum because my posts are routinely ignored and not posted.

    I don't particularly care for Mr. Tarantino's type work. If others do that is fine. That is why there is variety in media.

    The original point of the thread was to address the issue of whether or not Mr. Tarantino is qualified to speak to the psychological impact of the violent content of his movies on society as a whole. I do not think he is. He is not a psychiatrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Lol, homophobia, elitism and misguided movie snobbism in one post. Neat ^_^

    Frankly, I find that there's nothing more boring and stereotypical than someone obsessing over not being part of the herd...
    Thanks for your opinion again.


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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    I interpret your comment about my opinion to mean I'm not a little pink sheeple like most of the guys on this forum. I've only been back on here a few days after years. I just got tired of the groupthink which seems to be pandemic in many gay venues. The more things change the more they stay the same.

    Pulp Fiction is one of those "things" that a lot of people "say" they like because there is a perception that making such a statement identifies them as cool. I have to admit I too have succumbed to the same thing when I was younger. I'm too old to give a flying rat's ass what anyone thinks now.

    I suppose the most recent actually good film I have seen is "The King's Speech". I consider a good film to be one that you could watch again and again and get a little something more each time.

    A bad movie is one that you have to suffer through just because you've paid money to see it. There are bad movies that are still fun, Rocky Horror Picture Show or Killer Clowns from Outer Space fall into this category. Those are the movies that are so bad you have to sit through it just to make fun of it.
    How convenient. If someone doesn't have your opinion, obviously they just got their opinion from the flock and didn't form it themselves. I'm looking forward to meaningful discussions and exchanges of ideas with you.

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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    There really does seem to be a pervading groupthink on many of the gay forums. I'm not naive enough to believe that there is a forum free from an agenda in the worst case scenario or a point of view in the best case scenario. Everyone has a particular bent. I know that from this forum because my posts are routinely ignored and not posted.
    Convenient. There isn't a "group think". People on here disagree with each other all the time on basically every little issue... even the ones who are politically on the same side. I've had some great disagreements with other left leaning posters on here. And what's the agenda? Tell me what it is. We have a mod on here who is a bit of a right winger... so much for that agenda. And when your posts are routinely ignored, perhaps it has to do with a lack of substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Convenient. There isn't a "group think". People on here disagree with each other all the time on basically every little issue... even the ones who are politically on the same side. I've had some great disagreements with other left leaning posters on here. And what's the agenda? Tell me what it is. We have a mod on here who is a bit of a right winger... so much for that agenda. And when your posts are routinely ignored, perhaps it has to do with a lack of substance.
    Those engaged in groupthink are notoriously unaware of their own involvement. Thanks for the insult. I don't think I need to say anything more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    How convenient. If someone doesn't have your opinion, obviously they just got their opinion from the flock and didn't form it themselves. I'm looking forward to meaningful discussions and exchanges of ideas with you.
    That is a pretty odd interpretation of the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    Those engaged in groupthink are notoriously unaware of their own involvement. Thanks for the insult. I don't think I need to say anything more.
    No insult. Perhaps the content is a bit lacking?

    And show proof of "group think". It's just another insult to people who disagree with you.

    Who am I group thinking with? I'd like some proof

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango95 View Post
    That is a pretty odd interpretation of the post.
    No it's not, it's the only reasonable conclusion from your post. Especially since you're literally "baaa'ing" at people in this thread. Post in some manner other than treating everyone who disagrees with you as mindlessly brainwashed by other people and repeating a view that isn't their own and I'll respond to you in kind.

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    This is like putting socks on an octopus. Peace out.

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    Group think is hilarious... especially directed at me. I'm one who has been banned off this forum multiple times and am still walking on a tight rope... lol... so much for that group think lol.

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    Underbridge alert!
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    Re: Quentin Tarantino will not answer questions about movie violence impact on society

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Right?



    Amazingly, I've never killed anyone with a sword after watching this movie.
    Yeah I don't get that argument. His movies, especially the Kill Bill movies are so obviously over the top that it is impossible to take it seriously as 'real violence'. Its like a caricature, since they're supposed to be something resembling comic books on film. Only an idiot would think they would contribute to violence.

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