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    New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    I don't know why they are complaining about not properly defining what constitutes a member of the "far right" the study says it covers "— the Racist/White Supremacy Movement, the Anti-Federalist Movement, and the Christian Fundamentalist Movement —". How much clearer does it need to be.

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    New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    The study is already coming under attack by Republicans for not properly defining what constitutes a member of the “far right.”

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    A new study from a think tank connected to the West Point Military Academy highlights the threat of violent far-right movements in the United States, leading to the conclusion that, while diverse in in their causes, they are similar in their use of violence to achieve their aims.
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    Re: New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    I don't think that many Americans have any idea about the potential threat that exists from the network of these groups.

    Many of whom spout off all the time about the ideals of America...but have no issue with the type of leadership structure that Hitler brought to post Weimar Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I don't think that many Americans have any idea about the potential threat that exists from the network of these groups.

    Many of whom spout off all the time about the ideals of America...but have no issue with the type of leadership structure that Hitler brought to post Weimar Germany.

    I say it all the time.

    I'm much more afraid of these people and their easy access to weapons and their militia groups than I ever was about some supposed phantom aircraft carrier spearheaded invasion of the U.S. we were supposed to believe Iraq was capable of.

    If you want to see REAL hate for America and everything it stands for, the same sort of hate that the right always mass-assigns to Muslims or foreigners irrationally, talk to a Stormfront.org member about integration or the Federal government. But don't do it if you don't want your eyebrow hairs to be singed off from what you hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I don't think that many Americans have any idea about the potential threat that exists from the network of these groups.

    Many of whom spout off all the time about the ideals of America...but have no issue with the type of leadership structure that Hitler brought to post Weimar Germany.
    I like to watch those that spout off all the time about the ideals of America...but are too chickenshit to start anything.
    But I won't hold my breath.
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    I say it all the time.


    If you want to see REAL hate for America and everything it stands for, the same sort of hate that the right always mass-assigns to Muslims or foreigners irrationally, talk to a Stormfront.org member about integration or the Federal government. But don't do it if you don't want your eyebrow hairs to be singed off from what you hear.
    True dat

    These people think they are at war. It doesnt' even matter if a Republican is in control...they have that mindset. They slip up alot in their "jokes" when they talk about killing a bunch of liberals...they are quite serious IMO and anyone who isn't alarmed should be.

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    Re: New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I don't know why they are complaining about not properly defining what constitutes a member of the "far right" the study says it covers "— the Racist/White Supremacy Movement, the Anti-Federalist Movement, and the Christian Fundamentalist Movement —". How much clearer does it need to be.

    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-an...tter779469&t=4
    The Tea Party does not fit in any of these groups though you have some members of those groups who may show up at a tea party rally or two. It is very disingenuous of the writer to use a title that lumps a mainstream political movement in with way outside the mainstream nut cases and hate groups. And yes someone will haul out pictures of nutters at the rally but a lone nutter showing up at a rally open to the whole public does not necessarily represent the main group.
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    Re: New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    The Tea Party does not fit in any of these groups though you have some members of those groups who may show up at a tea party rally or two. It is very disingenuous of the writer to use a title that lumps a mainstream political movement in with way outside the mainstream nut cases and hate groups. And yes someone will haul out pictures of nutters at the rally but a lone nutter showing up at a rally open to the whole public does not necessarily represent the main group.
    You're correct that the Tea Party, itself, in its official platform, isn't a hate group.

    You're wrong that it hasn't fairly consistently been, wittingly or no, a front for hate groups to collaborate. Their suspected ties with white supremacy groups has been long reported.

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    Re: New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    The interesting thing is, with The Patriot Act, you would think that these "nut jobs" would be getting round up. Thank that plays more into the "kindhearted liberal" mentality.

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    potential threat should mean actually physically meeting at least one member of these various groups , and not having done that I would suggest feeling threatened by the mere existence of these groups is probably excessive .

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    Note that the "study" relates only to VIOLENT groups, not to every group with which you disagree.

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    Re: New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    Haters are going to hate and will do whatever lumping together and stereotyping of the groups they want to hate to justify it. So I'll leave you'll to it.
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    Re: New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    Wait, is anybody arguing that the Tea Party represents bigots, racists, xenophobes, white/American supremacists?
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    Re: New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    "the Racist/White Supremacy Movement, the Anti-Federalist Movement, and the Christian Fundamentalist Movement "

    WOW, I live in the South and I do not know of a single White Supremacy Movement nor have I heard rumors of one. The Klan is dead, and never was as big of a threat as they got credit for, certainly not since the 60's. Anti Federalist Movement, haven't heard of that one either other than every one complains about the government. Some justified, like the $220,000 bathroom renavation for the Interior Secretary. Christian fundamentalist, yes we do have some of them but I don't think it is a movement. Just individual Church's and I don't know of any of them forming armed groups or picking targets. Most of them have less than 30 members counting women and kids. The Phelps guy in Texas is a nut case and if the media would stop covering his rantings and funeral protest, he would likely go away. I think all of his supporters are family members.

    The study was comissioned by Homeland Security, sounds like the Think Tank gave them what they wanted to hear. I would think that if there was substance to this the air waves would be blaring the fact from investivagitive journalists on every network. I have heard nothing about this from the news or the talking heads.

    Either it is exagerated or I've been living under a rock the past few years. I noticed the study did not reference one single event that these groups are supposed to be responsible for. MHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin23 View Post
    "the Racist/White Supremacy Movement, the Anti-Federalist Movement, and the Christian Fundamentalist Movement "

    WOW, I live in the South and I do not know of a single White Supremacy Movement nor have I heard rumors of one. The Klan is dead, and never was as big of a threat as they got credit for, certainly not since the 60's. Anti Federalist Movement, haven't heard of that one either other than every one complains about the government. Some justified, like the $220,000 bathroom renavation for the Interior Secretary. Christian fundamentalist, yes we do have some of them but I don't think it is a movement. Just individual Church's and I don't know of any of them forming armed groups or picking targets. Most of them have less than 30 members counting women and kids. The Phelps guy in Texas is a nut case and if the media would stop covering his rantings and funeral protest, he would likely go away. I think all of his supporters are family members.

    The study was comissioned by Homeland Security, sounds like the Think Tank gave them what they wanted to hear. I would think that if there was substance to this the air waves would be blaring the fact from investivagitive journalists on every network. I have heard nothing about this from the news or the talking heads.

    Either it is exagerated or I've been living under a rock the past few years. I noticed the study did not reference one single event that these groups are supposed to be responsible for. MHO
    The Klan is dead?

    http://www.kkk.com/

    That's news to me.

    Also-- Timothy McVeigh bought a white power shirt from them. So there's an incident. Presumably you know who Timothy McVeigh is.

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    Paranoia as a general particularly American cultural trait . Excessive constant sense of danger unsubstantiated by actual events of violence . Irrational overestimation both of the likelihood of dangerous events and the ability and will of individuals to commit acts of crime , leading to oppressive policing/surveillance of individuals ( Hollywood blacklisting ), personal posession of major artillery-heavily armed general population . Instance indicating this national trait might be the fact that the United States has the largest percentage of its population in jail of any country . This means something .

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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    Paranoia as a general particularly American cultural trait . Excessive constant sense of danger unsubstantiated by actual events of violence . Irrational overestimation both of the likelihood of dangerous events and the ability and will of individuals to commit acts of crime , leading to oppressive policing/surveillance of individuals ( Hollywood blacklisting ), personal posession of major artillery-heavily armed general population . Instance indicating this national trait might be the fact that the United States has the largest percentage of its population in jail of any country . This means something .
    What you just said is what the Bush Administration said about the memo about Al Qaida determined to attack within the United States.

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    Well I think we can say now the witches at Salem were not a threat . Muslims and Far Right Wing Groups now , not very long ago Communist infiltration , before that Jews poisoning wells and before that witches . Watch the borders .

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    Well I think we can say now the witches at Salem were not a threat . Muslims and Far Right Wing Groups now , not very long ago Communist infiltration , before that Jews poisoning wells and before that witches . Watch the borders .
    That's a ridiculous comparison when there weren't witches in Salem with a website you could go to detailing their manifesto and how much exception they take to Federal power and the unethical, unnatural, immoral mixing of races... and how people should be armed to be prepared for a future struggle.

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    The people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders. All you have to do is tell them that they are in danger of being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I don't think that many Americans have any idea about the potential threat that exists from the network of these groups.

    Many of whom spout off all the time about the ideals of America...but have no issue with the type of leadership structure that Hitler brought to post Weimar Germany.
    And yet you and others on the left oppose the best remedy against them: arming the people.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    potential threat should mean actually physically meeting at least one member of these various groups , and not having done that I would suggest feeling threatened by the mere existence of these groups is probably excessive .
    When they openly espouse the violent overthrow of the government and its replacement with tyranny?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by kevin23 View Post
    "the Racist/White Supremacy Movement, the Anti-Federalist Movement, and the Christian Fundamentalist Movement "

    WOW, I live in the South and I do not know of a single White Supremacy Movement nor have I heard rumors of one. The Klan is dead, and never was as big of a threat as they got credit for, certainly not since the 60's. Anti Federalist Movement, haven't heard of that one either other than every one complains about the government. Some justified, like the $220,000 bathroom renavation for the Interior Secretary. Christian fundamentalist, yes we do have some of them but I don't think it is a movement. Just individual Church's and I don't know of any of them forming armed groups or picking targets. Most of them have less than 30 members counting women and kids. The Phelps guy in Texas is a nut case and if the media would stop covering his rantings and funeral protest, he would likely go away. I think all of his supporters are family members.

    The study was comissioned by Homeland Security, sounds like the Think Tank gave them what they wanted to hear. I would think that if there was substance to this the air waves would be blaring the fact from investivagitive journalists on every network. I have heard nothing about this from the news or the talking heads.

    Either it is exagerated or I've been living under a rock the past few years. I noticed the study did not reference one single event that these groups are supposed to be responsible for. MHO
    The Klan is not dead. If nowhere else, it's alive in the south end of my county, where there haven't been any non-white residents ever for more than a few months -- they are "discouraged" from living there, and quite effectively so.

    Many fundamentalist churches have hundreds and even thousands of members -- per church, not across the nation. And with the militaristic rhetoric of the leaders, it wouldn't be hard to turn hundreds of thousands of those members into armed bands -- since most are armed anyway.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Prevention vs. Innocent until proven guilty . You are not a criminal until you've committed a crime . And a malicious lunatic with a web-page is just a malicious lunatic with a web-page . Intentions are nothing , and you should not defend yourself against the malicious and perfectly innocent .

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin23 View Post
    "the Racist/White Supremacy Movement, the Anti-Federalist Movement, and the Christian Fundamentalist Movement "

    WOW, I live in the South and I do not know of a single White Supremacy Movement nor have I heard rumors of one. The Klan is dead, and never was as big of a threat as they got credit for, certainly not since the 60's. Anti Federalist Movement, haven't heard of that one either other than every one complains about the government. Some justified, like the $220,000 bathroom renavation for the Interior Secretary. Christian fundamentalist, yes we do have some of them but I don't think it is a movement. Just individual Church's and I don't know of any of them forming armed groups or picking targets. Most of them have less than 30 members counting women and kids. The Phelps guy in Texas is a nut case and if the media would stop covering his rantings and funeral protest, he would likely go away. I think all of his supporters are family members.

    The study was comissioned by Homeland Security, sounds like the Think Tank gave them what they wanted to hear. I would think that if there was substance to this the air waves would be blaring the fact from investivagitive journalists on every network. I have heard nothing about this from the news or the talking heads.

    Either it is exagerated or I've been living under a rock the past few years. I noticed the study did not reference one single event that these groups are supposed to be responsible for. MHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    And yet you and others on the left oppose the best remedy against them: arming the people.
    Maybe because we don't believe that is the best remedy, but actually the worst? Those aren't a differently colored folks, or wearing some sort of uniform, or self-identifying in other obvious ways.

    They ARE the people.

    So no, the best remedy is not to arm them, thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    Prevention vs. Innocent until proven guilty . You are not a criminal until you've committed a crime . And a malicious lunatic with a web-page is just a malicious lunatic with a web-page . Intentions are nothing , and you should not defend yourself against the malicious and perfectly innocent .
    Um, that is incorrect actually. Intentions count for a lot, and crime prevention does exist for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    Prevention vs. Innocent until proven guilty . You are not a criminal until you've committed a crime . And a malicious lunatic with a web-page is just a malicious lunatic with a web-page . Intentions are nothing , and you should not defend yourself against the malicious and perfectly innocent .
    So it's okay to plan a terrorist attack, until the day you carry it out?

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    Paranoia , oppressing and sometimes killing the irrelevant and the innocent in the search for a threat is a very common event in American history . Communist infiltration , more than a few people could not cross the border because they advocated " the violent overthrow of the government" .

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    So it's okay to plan a terrorist attack, until the day you carry it out? YES isn't it ?

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    Not according to the law. If proof exists of malicious intent, then the law can step in. Sorry if it's different on your planet.
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    Prevention of crime is irrational and absurd . Intending to commit a crime is not a crime . Innocent until proven guilty might still mean something

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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    Prevention of crime is irrational and absurd . Intending to commit a crime is not a crime . Innocent until proven guilty might still mean something
    I'm sorry-- you're wrong.

    Watch "to catch a predator" if you think intending to commit a crime is not a crime.

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    "malicious intent" since when has that been a punishable convictable crime ? habeus corpus ?

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    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/catch-predator/
    forum here states that you must have at least begun a criminal act .

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    Re: New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    There is nothing really new or original about this report, I was Anti-Terrorism Training officer for my last command before I retired and still have to take the training in my current job. Both the ATO and Equal Opportunity office training have been highlighting these groups for over a decade at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/catch-predator/
    forum here states that you must have at least begun a criminal act .
    The only person who has even brought up criminal convictions is you.

    Keeping track of potentially dangerous homegrown terrorism influences is not the same thing as locking up every single person involved with these groups on no charge.

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    forum quote " What you need for a crime is just two things, called mens rea (Latin for "guilty mind", means the intent to do the crime) and actus reus (Latin for "guilty act", meaning they have undertaken action to set the crime in motion). " Intention alone is not enough . NOT completion of the crime .

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    forum quote " What you need for a crime is just two things, called mens rea (Latin for "guilty mind", means the intent to do the crime) and actus reus (Latin for "guilty act", meaning they have undertaken action to set the crime in motion). " Intention alone is not enough . NOT completion of the crime .
    You are the only person talking about crime or filing a criminal charge in a courtroom. I'm waiting for you to absorb that.

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    Re: New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    what I am saying is that this is one current example of a very very long well-documented history of American paranoia .

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    I give you , I have not read the report . BUT the US does have the largest prison system in the world with 10% of your population incarcerated at any one point . Either the US is a lot more essentially criminal than the rest of the world or this is indicative of some attitude . To be kind I will attribute it to attitude .

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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    what I am saying is that this is one current example of a very very long well-documented history of American paranoia .
    American paranoia is thinking that anyone with tan skin is a threat to you even if they're a disarmed third world country with no substantial link to terrorism.

    Not thinking that the sort of fringe extremist groups that prompted things like Timothy McVeigh to blow up a federal building or a guy to shoot Congresswoman Gifford in the head in front of a supermarket are dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    I give you , I have not read the report . BUT the US does have the largest prison system in the world with 10% of your population incarcerated at any one point . Either the US is a lot more essentially criminal than the rest of the world or this is indicative of some attitude . To be kind I will attribute it to attitude .
    I good chunk of that is the non-violent drug charges and sex/prostitution stings. There is a huge revolving door in prison where many inmates spend less than a year there due the previously related charges.

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    Likewise it can be illogical to state that one major action by an individual is representative of the attitude of one group towards another group . ( I would suggest the shooting in Denmark was once instance - the media deperately attempting without success to explain or classify this event , not just a dangerous loonie with a gun ) . To verbally promote or support an action or attitude by another is not to do it. Marius van der Lubbe .

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    most amusing or interesting train of thought . I have noted pointed out before that the United States has a huge prison system , that at any given point something like 10% of the population is in jail , and the number of black men who have done any time in jail is something like 40% , a huge number . It just occurred to me that each prisoner would leave with good or perfect teeth , really the only point for a lot of poor people where they would have any medical or dental care , glasses , and prison it would be practically endless . Given that they would be mostly young and healthy still the prison system must be the one major social effect statistically , and prisoners would almost by definition be the poorest of the poor subgroup . ( Fed govt here estimated cost / amount spent here on prisoners as 75 thousand per year which we both know well enough is 5 or 6 times welfare or disability pension ) . Just thought the federal prison system there probably did more measureably for the poorest there than socialized medicine ever did here .

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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    most amusing or interesting train of thought . I have noted pointed out before that the United States has a huge prison system , that at any given point something like 10% of the population is in jail , and the number of black men who have done any time in jail is something like 40% , a huge number . It just occurred to me that each prisoner would leave with good or perfect teeth , really the only point for a lot of poor people where they would have any medical or dental care , glasses , and prison it would be practically endless . Given that they would be mostly young and healthy still the prison system must be the one major social effect statistically , and prisoners would almost by definition be the poorest of the poor subgroup . ( Fed govt here estimated cost / amount spent here on prisoners as 75 thousand per year which we both know well enough is 5 or 6 times welfare or disability pension ) . Just thought the federal prison system there probably did more measureably for the poorest there than socialized medicine ever did here .
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    Seriously, words kind of escape me. What is your point here?

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    totally an aside , I was talking about prisons .

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    And yet you and others on the left oppose the best remedy against them: arming the people.

    As far as I'm aware, this is EXACTLY what the far right wants.

    An armed society is no longer recognizable as a civil society.

    The SPLC has a long record in tracking hate groups and the cross fertilization with right wing politics:

    Since 2000, the number of hate groups has increased by 69 percent. This surge has been fueled by anger and fear over the nation’s ailing economy, an influx of non-white immigrants, and the diminishing white majority, as symbolized by the election of the nation’s first African-American president.

    These factors also are feeding a powerful resurgence of the antigovernment “Patriot” movement, which in the 1990s led to a string of domestic terrorist plots, including the Oklahoma City bombing. The number of Patriot groups, including armed militias, grew by 755 percent in the first three years of the Obama administration – from 149 at the end of 2008 to 1,274 in 2011.

    This growth in extremism has been aided by mainstream media figures and politicians who have used their platforms to legitimize false propaganda about immigrants and other minorities and spread the kind of paranoid conspiracy theories on which militia groups thrive.

    http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism

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    Re: New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by kevin23 View Post
    "the Racist/White Supremacy Movement, the Anti-Federalist Movement, and the Christian Fundamentalist Movement "

    WOW, I live in the South and I do not know of a single White Supremacy Movement nor have I heard rumors of one. The Klan is dead, and never was as big of a threat as they got credit for, certainly not since the 60's. Anti Federalist Movement, haven't heard of that one either other than every one complains about the government. Some justified, like the $220,000 bathroom renavation for the Interior Secretary. Christian fundamentalist, yes we do have some of them but I don't think it is a movement. Just individual Church's and I don't know of any of them forming armed groups or picking targets. Most of them have less than 30 members counting women and kids. The Phelps guy in Texas is a nut case and if the media would stop covering his rantings and funeral protest, he would likely go away. I think all of his supporters are family members.

    The study was comissioned by Homeland Security, sounds like the Think Tank gave them what they wanted to hear. I would think that if there was substance to this the air waves would be blaring the fact from investivagitive journalists on every network. I have heard nothing about this from the news or the talking heads.

    Either it is exagerated or I've been living under a rock the past few years. I noticed the study did not reference one single event that these groups are supposed to be responsible for. MHO
    No, I'm not gonna say you live under a rock, but I think you need to get out more. Do you know how to google? I googled these three groups for you and here is what I have found:


    http://projects.jou.ufl.edu/ktrammel.../supremacy.htm
    White supremacy: A legacy of hate
    by Ryan Wilder

    The white supremacy movement operates on the basic premise that all non-white races should be exterminated or forced to live separately from whites. White Supremacist groups may have religiously based beliefs or simply believe that races should not mix.
    The only things I found about the Anti-Federalist Movement were stories back when they wrote the Constitution. I'll let you look through the link.
    the Anti-Federalist Movement,
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Anti...ient=firefox-a

    I want to thank you for getting me to look up these stories. I found the Tea Party is involved with the Christian fundamentalists.
    So here is their story.
    http://irregulartimes.com/teapartyfundamentalism.html

    Christian Fundamentalists
    Steeped In Tea Party Movement

    Bitter Religious Intolerance
    At The Heart Of The Tea Party Protests

    A great deal of attention has been given to the racism and homophobia that pervades the Tea Party movement, and rightly so. There is another ugly side to the Tea Party movement that has received less attention, however: Its alignment with Christian fundamentalism.
    It is quite right for this group to watch what the Tea Party does.

    http://www.squidoo.com/tea-party-watch

    Tea Party Watch
    The Tea Party is the strongest insurgent political force in American politics today. That's why it's important that we establish a Tea Party Watch - a source that's keeping a critical eye on the Tea Party movement, watching for signs of corrupt manipulation, fearmongering and violent radicalization.
    The Phelps guy in Texas is a nut case and if the media would stop covering his rantings and funeral protest, he would likely go away. I think all of his supporters are family members.
    This alone shows where you don't get out much. You have over 1300 posts so, surely, you have seen the stories about Phelps protests.
    Please! do not put the blame on Phelps on Texas. He is in reality Head of Westboro Baptist Church (WBC), an independent Baptist church based in Topeka, Kansas.
    So, please, Google is your friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    Please! do not put the blame on Phelps on Texas. He is in reality Head of Westboro Baptist Church (WBC), an independent Baptist church based in Topeka, Kansas.
    So, please, Google is your friend.
    But he is quite correct, the Westboro Baptist Church has a membership of around 40 people most of them Phelps own family and relatives. They have no ties to any other Baptist organization and no support from the religious community. They spend over $250,000 a year on funding their little hate parades and that is funded largely by the group itself and the money they make out of lawsuits, (it seems Phelps was smart of enough to have a couple of his kids to get good law degrees) for damages done to them. The rest is likely made up from random donations from haters who see them on the news and send in a few bucks. If the news stopped covering them and they were left alone so they stop getting reasons to file large lawsuits they would literally dry up on the vine financially.

    Actually I find the reported fact that the congregation is almost all his family scarier than if it was just a collection of random nutters. In a country this size you could find 40 nutters easy but to have them all in one family means this is serious generational hate mongering.
    Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

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    But he is quite correct, the Westboro Baptist Church has a membership of around 40 people most of them Phelps own family and relatives. They have no ties to any other Baptist organization and no support from the religious community. They spend over $250,000 a year on funding their little hate parades and that is funded largely by the group itself and the money they make out of lawsuits, (it seems Phelps was smart of enough to have a couple of his kids to get good law degrees) for damages done to them. The rest is likely made up from random donations from haters who see them on the news and send in a few bucks. If the news stopped covering them and they were left alone so they stop getting reasons to file large lawsuits they would literally dry up on the vine financially.

    Actually I find the reported fact that the congregation is almost all his family scarier than if it was just a collection of random nutters. In a country this size you could find 40 nutters easy but to have them all in one family means this is serious generational hate mongering.
    What you say is quite true, but I made no reference other than they were not in Texas.
    Thanks for adding to the forum.
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    Re: New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    … the US does have the largest prison system in the world with 10% of your population incarcerated at any one point.
    Your percentage seems high, even if you are counting persons on parole and adult ex-prisoners.

    The US population currently includes about 312 million people. The number of prisoners under the jurisdiction of state or federal correctional authorities numbered about 1.6 million at the end of 2011.


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