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    Re: Obama's Response to Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    Since Obama is such a nasty man, acting like no President has ever done by politicising those poor children, let's pause for a minute and reminisce about our previous President, who would never use children at a press conference or signing of a Bill.

    You've already seen him at te signing of the No Child Left Behind Act above.

    Here he is at the signing of the reauthorized Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act:
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    Here's the President at the Bill Signing of the Dot Kids Implementation and Efficiency Act of 2002
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    Here he is at the signing of the PEPFAR Reauthorization, one of the most generous and compassionate acts of any recent President
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    And here he is at the signing of the Conquer Childhood Cancer Act.
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    Thank goodness no other Presidents ever stooped so low as Obama!
    Although I will not wade into the cesspool going on around this, it is worth pointing out that all of those things had to actually do with children and education.

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    Re: Obama's Response to Gun Control

    And murdering children has nothing to do with children?
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    Re: Obama's Response to Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Although I will not wade into the cesspool going on around this, it is worth pointing out that all of those things had to actually do with children and education.
    And children are somehow off topic when the impetus is school shootings?

    I sincerely don't get this distinction of one being an outrage and one not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    And children are somehow off topic when the impetus is school shootings?

    I sincerely don't get this distinction of one being an outrage and one not.
    I was not commenting on the contention that he 'used' those children. All I was stating was that all of those pictured events dealt directly with children, which is why they were there.

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    Re: Obama's Response to Gun Control

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    I was not commenting on the contention that he 'used' those children. All I was stating was that all of those pictured events dealt directly with children, which is why they were there.
    How do school shootings not involve children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    And murdering children has nothing to do with children?
    See my response to xbuzzerx. I was not making any comment at all on the Obama picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    How do school shootings not involved children?
    I wasn't saying anything at all about that picture and the signing event. I was merely stating a fact about those pictures of Bush provided as 'counter evidence'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    See my response to xbuzzerx. I was not making any comment at all on the Obama picture.

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    I wasn't saying anything at all about that picture and the signing event. I was merely stating a fact about those pictures of Bush provided as 'counter evidence'.
    Okay. But those pictures weren't shown to imply the kids were just grabbed out of a crowd for a bill that had nothing to do with kids. The discussion was about Chance claiming it's an absolute outrage to have kids at the signing of the bill. None of us really knows why... even now, really.

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    Re: Obama's Response to Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Okay. But those pictures weren't shown to imply the kids were just grabbed out of a crowd for a bill that had nothing to do with kids. The discussion was about Chance claiming it's an absolute outrage to have kids at the signing of the bill. None of us really knows why... even now, really.
    I can understand his point, but I don't agree with it.

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    It's a manipulative selling point. Obama isn't the first to use it by any means, but it cheapens and demagogues the issue especially in as charged and heartwrenching a situation such as the massacre at the Sandy Hook school. Children should never be used as props for making political points for ANY politician. But hey, if LBJ could use that young girl innocently counting in the beginning of his infamous commercial(nearly 50 years ago) trying to frighten the bejeezus out of everyone about mad nuke lover Barry Goldwater, children can be used to sell ANYTHING!
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    Re: Obama's Response to Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    It's a manipulative selling point. Obama isn't the first to use it by any means, but it cheapens and demagogues the issue especially in as charged and heartwrenching a situation such as the massacre at the Sandy Hook school. Children should never be used as props for making political points for ANY politician. But hey, if LBJ could use that young girl innocently counting in the beginning of his infamous commercial(nearly 50 years ago) trying to frighten the bejeezus out of everyone about mad nuke lover Barry Goldwater, children can be used to sell ANYTHING!
    What I most don't understand about this mindset, and I'm trying to give it the benefit of the doubt that it's not just pure dislike of the President or the piece of legislation and focusing on something totally tangential to it to criticize it... is your implied belief that the entire impetus to do anything here wasn't out of a real and widespread concern for the safety of school age children, and that the image of children was only somehow "used" at the moment of bill signing.

    Children (and their safety) has been a core part of this iteration of the gun debate since Newtown. I don't get how you think children were just dragged into it at the signing itself as a "cheap selling point."

    In fact this position makes so little sense to me that I think I just have to chaulk this up to, this is the Republican political worldview and that's why I can't grasp it. Republicans view so much in terms of posturing and spin that even when an issue legitimately isn't about spin they can't see it that way. It's always about the spin and never about the substance to a present day Republican.

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