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    Just disgusting!

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...155033813.html

    This man is a hero and now these asshole conspiracy theorists are making threatening calls and sending harassing emails accusing him of lying and asking how much he was paid. This is what this country is coming to... a bunch of ignoramuses who actually attack a man who helped several children when the Sandy hook shooting happened.

    I am so angry to hear that this man is being put through such awful times, all because some unstable conspiracy nuts wants to keep their assault rifles.

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    That poor man. It looks as if this has affected him as much as anyone else, except the kids.
    Those bastards doing this needs to be lined up and...............you insert the rest.
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    Well, if this was a false flag event designed to move political opinion on gun control, here in America, then you would get a lot more bang for your buck by talking about the innocent little children. That's what tugs on America's heart strings the most ... especially around Christmas time.
    Well i never, that's clever aint it. Perhaps by that token, LaPierre, during his press appearance following the incident, should have stood up and said nothing but "Guns are......BAD...mmkay". Then perhaps that would have stopped the parents of the innocent little children who have had their heartstrings RIPPED FUCKING OUT from calling for a dialogue on guns.

    Some people are just unbelieviebably thick.

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    I am disgusted - but not surprised. Really, I'm willing to believe almost any story from the gun lunatics.
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    There are always conspiracy nuts.

    But it is always the ones with guns or fertilizer that scare me the most.

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    Re: Just disgusting!

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    There are always conspiracy nuts.

    But it is always the ones with guns or fertilizer that scare me the most.
    /\/\ Yes. And unfortunately I think most of these threatening this man are the ones with the guns and fertilizer.

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    Who is putting these conspiracy theories into these pinheads? Who's giving them these ideas?

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    You remember Alex Jones, the gun advocate that presented his well reasoned argument to Piers Morgan last week? Oh wait, I mean the hysterical nut that screamed and shouted at Piers Morgan, ranting about maniacal conspiracy theories.

    He's one guy that is giving voice to this indecent nuttery.
    http://www.infowars.com/sandy-hook-massacre-timeline/

    The overwhelming message behind the conspiracists appears to be that Sandy Hook was faked by the Government in an operation to stir public opinion so that the Government can take away the people's guns.

    http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/20...lag-operation/

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Who is putting these conspiracy theories into these pinheads? Who's giving them these ideas?
    Limbaugh.

    Today he very clearly stated that the reason they want your guns is to control you, that Lanza went to a school to kill the unarmed (Never mind that he first killed his mother who was quite well armed and well versed in the employment of weapons.), and he then cheered his fanatics on by saying that nothing makes the Regime's string pullers more angry than when you buy weapons, join the NRA and learn to use them weapons.

    There was more veiled "lets start a revolution" bullshit in that mans tone and tenor today than I have ever heard.

    I also now believe that Satan himself would be less joy filled at the idea of dead bodies from the revolution Limbaugh would start with simply words. I think he is in love with his own power and enjoys seeing how far he can twist folks.

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    ^ Limbaugh is a traitor.

    There is nothing about the right wing of America that is honorable any more.

    Absolutely nothing.

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    Anderson Cooper did another segment on this "hoax conspiracy" tonight and it just brought tears to my eyes. I cannot fathom how these people can be so heartless and cruel to the victims of this tragedy who already have suffered monumental pain.



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    I questioned this guy from the beginning. His story sounded strange -- if he didn't know the kids, how did he know who to call? It sounds strange that the kids would say they couldn't go back to school because their teacher was dead. Why would they sit in his driveway in a semi-circle? Wouldn't the bus drive take the children to the specified meeting place -- you would expect the bus driver to know where that safe place was located.

    The biggest contradiction --- how would anyone know the guy's yahoo address.

    To me it appears this guy is trying to attract attention to himself.

    Regardless of all this -- no one needs to pick on him except the police to find out if he is lying.

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    His story isn't strange. His story is pretty straightforward. No, he's not attracting attention to himself. But it's easy for some to doubt because they have wild eyed conspiracy theories. It's easy to stand on a pedestal and doubt...

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    Explain how people got his yahoo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I questioned this guy from the beginning. His story sounded strange -- if he didn't know the kids, how did he know who to call?
    He asked the children if they knew their parents numbers. My four godchildren knew their parent's cellphone number by the age of 4.
    It sounds strange that the kids would say they couldn't go back to school because their teacher was dead. Why would they sit in his driveway in a semi-circle?
    They had just witnessed their teacher having her brains blown across the room. They were in deep emotional shock.
    Wouldn't the bus drive take the children to the specified meeting place -- you would expect the bus driver to know where that safe place was located.
    The bus driver was probably confused and/or in shock too, and unsure of how to deal with a group of deeply distressed children.
    The biggest contradiction --- how would anyone know the guy's yahoo address.
    His full name was all over the media. Many people have their phone numbers and email addresses freely available online, especially if they conduct business online. If I knew your real name and the town you live in, you'd be horrified by what I can find out about you.
    To me it appears this guy is trying to attract attention to himself.Regardless of all this -- no one needs to pick on him except the police to find out if he is lying.
    Sorry to be blunt, but this accusation is disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    He asked the children if they knew their parents numbers. My four godchildren knew their parent's cellphone number by the age of 4. They had just witnessed their teacher having her brains blown across the room. They were in deep emotional shock.The bus driver was probably confused and/or in shock too, and unsure of how to deal with a group of deeply distressed children.His full name was all over the media. Many people have their phone numbers and email addresses freely available online, especially if they conduct business online. If I knew your real name and the town you live in, you'd be horrified by what I can find out about you.Sorry to be blunt, but this accusation is disgusting.
    Never heard of anyone having their yahoo published publicly -- unless it's a business email -- nothing was said about that.

    My experience with tragedy is that many people react quite well ... do the right thing and keep their cool.

    No accusation was made -- I just said his story sounded a little odd.

    No reason to become so abrasive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Never heard of anyone having their yahoo published publicly -- unless it's a business email -- nothing was said about that.

    No accusation was made -- I just said his story sounded a little odd.

    No reason to become so abrasive.
    Um, a good beefy percentage of people on Facebook have their emails (yahoo, gmail or whatever, it's not called "a yahoo" omg) on their profile.

    And the story sounds odd to people who expect others to always lie to them. Which is a sad mindset to be in, but not surprising considering the party you support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Never heard of anyone having their yahoo published publicly -- unless it's a business email -- nothing was said about that.

    My experience with tragedy is that many people react quite well ... do the right thing and keep their cool.

    No accusation was made -- I just said his story sounded a little odd.

    No reason to become so abrasive.
    Peoples emails get around... who knows if someone he has emailed published or something of the sort.

    Excuses aren't debunking the story of what happened to this man.

    There was nothing odd with his story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I questioned this guy from the beginning. His story sounded strange -- if he didn't know the kids, how did he know who to call? It sounds strange that the kids would say they couldn't go back to school because their teacher was dead. Why would they sit in his driveway in a semi-circle? Wouldn't the bus drive take the children to the specified meeting place -- you would expect the bus driver to know where that safe place was located.

    The biggest contradiction --- how would anyone know the guy's yahoo address.

    To me it appears this guy is trying to attract attention to himself.

    Regardless of all this -- no one needs to pick on him except the police to find out if he is lying.
    This is classic modern Republicanism. You don't want to believe the truth because it does not reflect well on your ideological peers.

    So, rather than modify your politics to fit reality, you create an alternate reality to fit your politics.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    if he didn't know the kids, how did he know who to call?
    Ummmm... ...how about asking the kids for their phone numbers?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It sounds strange that the kids would say they couldn't go back to school because their teacher was dead.
    Why does that sound so strange, when the reason they can't go back to school is because their teacher is dead?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Why would they sit in his driveway in a semi-circle?
    You obviously don't have kids.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Wouldn't the bus drive take the children to the specified meeting place -- you would expect the bus driver to know where that safe place was located.
    What "specified meeting place?"

    And how would a bus driver know of any such place?

    It's a mass shooting. Do you think everyone is going to be able to follow to the letter some formula worked out in advance to accommodate everything from hurricanes to pedophiles?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The biggest contradiction --- how would anyone know the guy's yahoo address.
    It's not that difficult. I've done it a number of times myself, to get in contact with long lost friends.

    http://www.ehow.com/how_5175409_some...l-address.html


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    To me it appears this guy is trying to attract attention to himself.
    To me, it appears you don't like the truth, so you'll just invent your own version of things out of thin air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I questioned this guy from the beginning. His story sounded strange -- if he didn't know the kids, how did he know who to call? It sounds strange that the kids would say they couldn't go back to school because their teacher was dead. Why would they sit in his driveway in a semi-circle? Wouldn't the bus drive take the children to the specified meeting place -- you would expect the bus driver to know where that safe place was located.

    The biggest contradiction --- how would anyone know the guy's yahoo address.

    To me it appears this guy is trying to attract attention to himself.

    Regardless of all this -- no one needs to pick on him except the police to find out if he is lying.
    So just to preface this post by Jack_Springer, this article was about a good Samaritan who helped save children from the most traumatic experience of their lives, and is now being harassed by nut job conspiracy theorists, including receiving death threats. While other JUB members expressed outrage over this fiendish behavior, it is Jack_Springer who disregards the threats made against this man and instead attacks his credibility, siding with the conspiracy theorists that somehow this man had an agenda in helping victimized children.

    I just want to point out how disturbing this post is, and question the choice of behavior by its author in prioritizing his response to be one of accusations rather than concern for the safety of this senior citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    This is classic modern Republicanism. You don't want to believe the truth because it does not reflect well on your ideological peers.

    So, rather than modify your politics to fit reality, you create an alternate reality to fit your politics.
    Good god QFT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Never heard of anyone having their yahoo published publicly -- unless it's a business email -- nothing was said about that.
    Here's a site that will provide you with the phone and email addresses of 469 people in the US called Jack Springer, for a $3.95 subscription fee.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    My experience with tragedy is that many people react quite well ... do the right thing and keep their cool.
    How many 6 year olds do you know who have recently watched their school teacher being brutally murdered? The man in this story is a retired psychologist - I think he probably had a better idea than most how to treat the kids.

    No accusation was made -- I just said his story sounded a little odd.
    You implied he was an attention seeker who deserved police scrutiny "to see if he was lying".

    It's hard not be be abrasive, Jack. Your politics or your paranoia have so clouded your judgement that even a good samaritan helping children in a moment of extreme tragedy is scrutinised and questioned. Do you truly mistrust people this much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Never heard of anyone having their yahoo published publicly -- unless it's a business email -- nothing was said about that.

    My experience with tragedy is that many people react quite well ... do the right thing and keep their cool.

    No accusation was made -- I just said his story sounded a little odd.

    No reason to become so abrasive.
    Give us a fucking break.

    Mr. 'I Questioned His Story From the Beginning'

    You are exactly the perfect target audience for the liars, the charlatans and the conspiracy mongers.

    You couldn't wait to jump on that bus......'ooohh, his story sounds suspicious'

    What kind of intellectual vacuum must exist for some people to think that an entire town...right down to fake funerals for 22 little kids....could be part of some vast elaborate guvamint conspiracy to allow Obama to take away your guns?

    What

    The

    Fuck?

    You know...every time you post this kind of response....it opens a window into your soul and your heart.

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    You know, the first time I read the article in the original post here, it brought tears to my eyes. In the horror of events like this, focused on those poor dead children, I guess I never stopped to visualise what the survivors were doing in those moments between the shooting and their families collecting them.

    The image of a group of 6 year olds clustered in a strangers driveway, not knowing what to do or where to turn, their teacher blown away in front of them, and men with guns surrounding their school, simply breaks my heart.

    No child should ever have to experience this. It should be the duty of every responsible American to try anything, everything, now, to stop this madness. Whatever it takes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    So just to preface this post by Jack_Springer, this article was about a good Samaritan who helped save children from the most traumatic experience of their lives, and is now being harassed by nut job conspiracy theorists, including receiving death threats. While other JUB members expressed outrage over this fiendish behavior, it is Jack_Springer who disregards the threats made against this man and instead attacks his credibility, siding with the conspiracy theorists that somehow this man had an agenda in helping victimized children.

    I just want to point out how disturbing this post is, and question the choice of behavior by its author in prioritizing his response to be one of accusations rather than concern for the safety of this senior citizen.
    I wouldn't think of harassing anyone like this. Looks like most of you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    You remember Alex Jones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    ^ Limbaugh is a traitor.

    There is nothing about the right wing of America that is honorable any more.

    Absolutely nothing.
    They aren't going to stop until somebody kills Obama. I'm convinced that there would be high-fives even coming from some Republicans in Washington if that were to happen.

    This shit is pure treason. The Republican Party is the enemy of America as we have known it, and even my long-standing opinion about the validity of the Second Amendment is being shaken to the core, because THESE people want nothing short of civil war.

    And who, JUST WHO, as a group, do you think they would go around killing first? I think most of us know the answer.
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    ^^

    Talk about disgusting. Please do not talk about such things here.

    Even though it was a glorifying thing for many of the lunatic left to rejoice in a play about the assassination of George Bush -- we do not need to talk about the killing of our President.

    I would like him to lead for all people though -- his speech this morning was arrogant and demeaning to anyone who didn't agree with him. I really wish he would lead instead of still running a campaign.


    PS: as I work and have MSNBC on in the background they are talking about the same thing as you brought up. This is crazy. MSNBC is also pushing the new NRA ad -- only reason people have seen the ad is because the news media has run it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I questioned this guy from the beginning. His story sounded strange -- if he didn't know the kids, how did he know who to call? It sounds strange that the kids would say they couldn't go back to school because their teacher was dead. Why would they sit in his driveway in a semi-circle? Wouldn't the bus drive take the children to the specified meeting place -- you would expect the bus driver to know where that safe place was located.

    The biggest contradiction --- how would anyone know the guy's yahoo address.

    To me it appears this guy is trying to attract attention to himself.

    Regardless of all this -- no one needs to pick on him except the police to find out if he is lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I would like him to lead for all people though -- his speech this morning was arrogant and demeaning to anyone who didn't agree with him. I really wish he would lead instead of still running a campaign.
    Running a campaign would involve a lot more tip-toeing i'd say. I think this is a great example of leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Even though it was a glorifying thing for many of the lunatic left to rejoice in a play about the assassination of George Bush -- we do not need to talk about the killing of our President.
    Yet not one shred of proof has ever been made about this disgusting audacious claims.

    Show some proof please.

    Obama is leading the country an doing it well, despite all the nasty bullshit coming out of the GOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    So just to preface this post by Jack_Springer, this article was about a good Samaritan who helped save children from the most traumatic experience of their lives, and is now being harassed by nut job conspiracy theorists, including receiving death threats. While other JUB members expressed outrage over this fiendish behavior, it is Jack_Springer who disregards the threats made against this man and instead attacks his credibility, siding with the conspiracy theorists that somehow this man had an agenda in helping victimized children.

    I just want to point out how disturbing this post is, and question the choice of behavior by its author in prioritizing his response to be one of accusations rather than concern for the safety of this senior citizen.
    I couldn't have said it better.


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    I would have had a lot more respect for you Jack if you'd at least owned the crazy and posted this theory yourself. Instead of just doing your beta male thing of attaching your support to anything after the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Yet not one shred of proof has ever been made about this disgusting audacious claims.

    Show some proof please.

    Obama is leading the country an doing it well, despite all the nasty bullshit coming out of the GOP.
    It's not fiction . . .

    Outrage Over Documentary on Bush Assassination
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    And that's just one case. And most leftists wanted Bush impeached and removed from office for serious war crimes. He should be facing international criminal charges.

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    ^^

    One case!!! How many fictional movies about killing a sitting President do you want me to cite?

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    No such thing happened. Keep up the distortions.

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    Jack,
    "Documentary on Bush." Why do constantly hijack threads? This thread is about a good Samaritan helping children after a tragic execution of children.
    Have you ever known anyone who lives in a small town not know who the children are or who their parents are? I have. This man was a hero in what he did. Why did they sit in a circle in his drive. Again, children who live in a small town know ANYONE would help them in a situation like this!
    "I really wish he would lead instead of still running a campaign."
    I really wish you would forget all the GOP talking points and come up with something original.
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    ^^^

    I responded to a post and then answered a question posed by another poster -- just like I'm doing now. I was disgusted by the idea of an assassination of an American President. I presented facts about movie that depicts a current (now former) President being assassinated -- the poster refuses to accept two sources proving the movie had been made.

    Rareboy says that threads evolve.

    Back to the focus of this thread, I find it odd there is only one person in Newtown that has a story like his -- no mention who the bus driver is or who the children are -- just the man's words. I'd question any story like this -- two many unanswered questions.

    When a person who is not directly involved in a tragedy makes the story about himself -- I start to ask questions. I hope that you would also.

    I also would not harass the guy ... anyone who harasses a person like this case is a sicko. I hope the local authorities are investigating the whole story --- since very little has been released about that awful day -- I assume they are doing so.

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    Ah, Jack and his ever so hard questions. No escaping that sleuth!
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    Just disgusting!

    OK, I apologize for your first post after FrankFrank. But there on out you had nothing to say but about the play about Bush. That I will consider hijacking. You cannot get over your hatred for Obama, so You gotta put it in where ever you can.

    Just disgusting! Originally Posted by frankfrank
    They aren't going to stop until somebody kills Obama. I'm convinced that there would be high-fives even coming from some Republicans in Washington if that were to happen.

    This shit is pure treason. The Republican Party is the enemy of America as we have known it, and even my long-standing opinion about the validity of the Second Amendment is being shaken to the core, because THESE people want nothing short of civil war.

    And who, JUST WHO, as a group, do you think they would go around killing first? I think most of us know the answer.


    Originally Posted by Jack Springer


    Talk about disgusting. Please do not talk about such things here.

    Even though it was a glorifying thing for many of the lunatic left to rejoice in a play about the assassination of George Bush -- we do not need to talk about the killing of our President.

    I would like him to lead for all people though -- his speech this morning was arrogant and demeaning to anyone who didn't agree with him. I really wish he would lead instead of still running a campaign.


    PS: as I work and have MSNBC on in the background they are talking about the same thing as you brought up. This is crazy. MSNBC is also pushing the new NRA ad -- only reason people have seen the ad is because the news media has run it.
    Originally Posted by GiancarloC
    Yet not one shred of proof has ever been made about this disgusting audacious claims.

    Show some proof please.

    Obama is leading the country an doing it well, despite all the nasty bullshit coming out of the GOP.
    Originally Posted by Jack Springer
    It's not fiction . . .

    Outrage Over Documentary on Bush Assassination
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2385758&page=1

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/
    Originally Posted by GiancarloC
    And that's just one case. And most leftists wanted Bush impeached and removed from office for serious war crimes. He should be facing international criminal charges.
    Originally Posted by Jack Springer
    One case!!! How many fictional movies about killing a sitting President do you want me to cite?
    Originally Posted by White Eagle
    Jack,
    "Documentary on Bush." Why do constantly hijack threads? This thread is about a good Samaritan helping children after a tragic execution of children.
    Originally Posted by Jack Springer
    I responded to a post and then answered a question posed by another poster -- just like I'm doing now. I was disgusted by the idea of an assassination of an American President. I presented facts about movie that depicts a current (now former) President being assassinated -- the poster refuses to accept two sources proving the movie had been made.

    Rareboy says that threads evolve.

    Back to the focus of this thread, I find it odd there is only one person in Newtown that has a story like his -- no mention who the bus driver is or who the children are -- just the man's words. I'd question any story like this -- two many unanswered questions.

    When a person who is not directly involved in a tragedy makes the story about himself -- I start to ask questions. I hope that you would also.

    I also would not harass the guy ... anyone who harasses a person like this case is a sicko. I hope the local authorities are investigating the whole story --- since very little has been released about that awful day -- I assume they are doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Rareboy says that threads evolve.
    There's evolve and then there's devolve.

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    Re: Just disgusting!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    I responded to a post and then answered a question posed by another poster -- just like I'm doing now. I was disgusted by the idea of an assassination of an American President. I presented facts about movie that depicts a current (now former) President being assassinated -- the poster refuses to accept two sources proving the movie had been made.

    Rareboy says that threads evolve.


    Back to the focus of this thread, I find it odd there is only one person in Newtown that has a story like his -- no mention who the bus driver is or who the children are -- just the man's words. I'd question any story like this -- two many unanswered questions.

    When a person who is not directly involved in a tragedy makes the story about himself -- I start to ask questions. I hope that you would also.

    I also would not harass the guy ... anyone who harasses a person like this case is a sicko. I hope the local authorities are investigating the whole story --- since very little has been released about that awful day -- I assume they are doing so.
    This is really all you needed to say in this thread without sounding like a weirdo or derailing the topic. Please keep that in mind for the future.
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    Yea it was my mistake for not putting "on topic" on this thread (perhaps I can request that?). It'll keep the bullshit bashing of Obama out of here.

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    I don't think this is off topic as it does cover this man helping those children.
    But, I found this video about how Sandy Hook is a conspiracy. It is done by the favorite theorists site, Info Wars, or I forget that man on Piers show. Ya know him. Well Gawker, but you can be sure Infowars is involved.
    @Jack Springer. As a challenge I want you to prove to me and the board that this is a true theory. Here, you have everyone involved with the hoax. Starting with Obama, then all the networks, the Detroit fire dept, FEMA, Homeland Security, and well, everyone on the east coast.

    http://gawker.com/5976204/behind-the...ed-in-one-week

    Behind the ‘Sandy Hook Truther’ Conspiracy Video That Five Eight Million People Have Watched in One Week
    Max Read

    "This is a simple, logical video," the text on the screen reads. "No aliens, holigrams, rituals or anything like that, just facts." (All sic.) There's some light piano (from Guns 'n Roses' "Estranged") playing in the background. "New information comes up every single days, so by the time you see this video there may be a lot more evidence that has come to light." In a few seconds, the guitar solo kicks in.
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    ^^^

    I want to make it very clear -- Sandy Hook was a horrible tragedy, it was not a hoax. You seem to be painting a picture that I don't believe it happened and that I'm some type of conspiracy kook -- I am not.

    I think I made a valid point that the man who supposedly sheltered 6 children after the murders has a story that is hard to believe. His story could be basically true but many things don't make sense. We live in a strange world where there are people who want to interject themselves into stories all the time -- I'm just saying this man may be one of those.

    Why would the bus company give this man (or any person) the names and cell phone numbers of the parents of the 6 children? Companies who's livelihood involve children never give that kind of information out to anyone without approval even in disasters.

    What happened to the bus driver? Did he or she abandon the kids with this guy? What's the bus driver's name?

    Why didn't the man call the police, highway patrol, school administration? He didn't say he even attempted.

    Why would some of the parents leave the kids at his house for 3 hours? Would you have done that?

    Why hasn't any of the parents come forward and backed up his account?


    Maybe the guy has memory problems or has dementia, I don't know.

    No one should be harassing him or completely buying his story either. Let the police investigate.


    End of story as far as I'm concerned.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2317775.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I think I made a valid point that the man who supposedly sheltered 6 children after the murders has a story that is hard to believe. His story could be basically true but many things don't make sense. We live in a strange world where there are people who want to interject themselves into stories all the time -- I'm just saying this man may be one of those.
    Since it's well substantiated I don't see the problem here. No, we don't live in a strange world... this isn't a Tom Clancy world. The government didn't pay this man to invent his story.

    Why would the bus company give this man (or any person) the names and cell phone numbers of the parents of the 6 children? Companies who's livelihood involve children never give that kind of information out to anyone without approval even in disasters.
    Because he was holding the kids in a rather frantic tragedy.

    What happened to the bus driver? Did he or she abandon the kids with this guy? What's the bus driver's name?
    Why is it important what his name is?

    Why didn't the man call the police, highway patrol, school administration? He didn't say he even attempted.
    They were probably already on the scene.

    Why would some of the parents leave the kids at his house for 3 hours? Would you have done that?
    Again the police were probably on scene and there wasn't any possibility of them getting there sooner.

    Why hasn't any of the parents come forward and backed up his account?
    Why would they have to?

    Maybe the guy has memory problems or has dementia, I don't know.
    And yet another personal attack on someone who did a heroic thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    I want to make it very clear -- Sandy Hook was a horrible tragedy, it was not a hoax. You seem to be painting a picture that I don't believe it happened and that I'm some type of conspiracy kook -- I am not.

    I think I made a valid point that the man who supposedly sheltered 6 children after the murders has a story that is hard to believe. His story could be basically true but many things don't make sense. We live in a strange world where there are people who want to interject themselves into stories all the time -- I'm just saying this man may be one of those.

    Why would the bus company give this man (or any person) the names and cell phone numbers of the parents of the 6 children? Companies who's livelihood involve children never give that kind of information out to anyone without approval even in disasters.

    What happened to the bus driver? Did he or she abandon the kids with this guy? What's the bus driver's name?

    Why didn't the man call the police, highway patrol, school administration? He didn't say he even attempted.

    Why would some of the parents leave the kids at his house for 3 hours? Would you have done that?

    Why hasn't any of the parents come forward and backed up his account?


    Maybe the guy has memory problems or has dementia, I don't know.

    No one should be harassing him or completely buying his story either. Let the police investigate.


    End of story as far as I'm concerned.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2317775.html
    Let it go Jack, its not worth arguing about, if there is something hinky there it will eventually come out in the wash. In the meantime, we can safely take the reported account at face value and praise the man.

    I think ALL of can agree that the lengths conspiracy nutters will go to cling to their fantasies are indeed disgusting regardless of this man's case, I'm not sure that there anything to debate on that. I enjoy debating Truthers and Birthers directly for the fun of it and the remote possibility of enlightenment on their part, but I'm not much on sitting around on the side and making fun of the logically challenged.

    Conspiracy theory nuttiness is interesting to study, it often starts out with an observation that someone is gaining an advantage from some horrible event and then latching on the little inconsistencies and coincidental things that always exist in any chaotic event that large and run with it to utterly insane lengths. Once they get caught up in the fever of the idea, they lose all sight of perspective.

    Did you know the Titanic was actually her sister ship the Olympic re-flagged and intentionally sunk to gain an insurance claim and that it was sunk not by a iceberg but by the atomic bomb secretly being shipped in her hold set off by the cursed Egyptian mummy there also and resulted in the loss of the Arc of the Covenant being secretly shipped aboard as well?
    Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

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    Why shouldn't we fully believe a story? Because then we'd have to believe not EVERYTHING in this world is about your party?
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    Did you know the Titanic was actually her sister ship the Olympic re-flagged and intentionally sunk to gain an insurance claim and that it was sunk not by a iceberg but by the atomic bomb secretly being shipped in her hold set off by the cursed Egyptian mummy there also and resulted in the loss of the Arc of the Covenant being secretly shipped aboard as well?
    Well I knew this. Also Rareboy's egg was on board.

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