Half of all female homicides in the US are by gun.
Women killed in US gun homicides are 5 times more likely to be killed by their spouse or intimate partner than by a stranger.
Women who live in a home with a gun are 7 times more likely to be killed by a gun.
Last edited by andysayshi; January 17th, 2013 at 09:45 PM.
The impasse in our back and forth is because we are sailing different rivers. You're on the realist side, debating the realities of law, and the possibilities that provides. I'm on the eternal optimist side, debating the realities of the facts, rather than the implementation of change.
Never the Twain shall meet.
You are, of course, correct and justified in all your statements. It's just frustrating, from a bystander's perspective, that dead children and tens of thousands of dead Americans every year is STILL not enough for the US to actively seek real solutions, blinded by a centuries old amendment to a document that had no way to foresee the current state of the nation, and incapable of recognising that the same justification for that amendment may indeed justify another amendment today.
I think I've trodden the depths of this issue enough today. I just wanted to say that I DO understand your point of view and the inherent logic and realism of your points.
One variable I don't hear at all, when comparing other nations to the U. S.: When these other countries initially had some kind of gun bans, how many guns were in the hands of the public before the band [bans. BANS. Damned typos] went in? I would be willing to think far below the average of one gun per capita as we have here. I'm not sure how the logistics would work here, with such a high number of guns currently out there.
"The gubmint" could just go and search every residence and every place of business, and have access behind every door in the country, and search every crawlspace, but it would take all of that (and the resulting complete authoritarian usurpation of all privacy) to find all the illegal or non-registered guns. As a bonus, the government would be seizing stashes of money, "child pornography" (yes, those cute pictures of your cute four-year-old son Billy playing in the pool), etc. - also no doubt putting millions on secret dossiers if anything "strange" is found. No doubt going in cahoots with the IRS to spot those who have stuff that's too "extravagant" for what they're reporting on their taxes, etc. Have fun putting your stuff back together after the agents have thrown your shit all over the place, torn stuff up.
Maybe bringing in the availability of undocumented guns from crime syndicates and gangs is a red herring (and I'll admit that I'm one who said that criminals can get guns that way) - the JUB quote function is being wonky and not working again and somebody said it in the last 29 hours - but if most guns became illegal, just wait...a whole new massive crime syndicate would be formed, spewing out guns.
Even SCOTUS Justice Anton Scalia, who some of us consider the most "right-wing" of all the Justices in the history of that august body, has said that it is NOT inappropriate to have some sensible regulations on firearms.
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"All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - 28th Amendment, US Constitution?
"But, hey, who cares about women and their rights when the religious liberty of a nationwide chain of arts and crafts stores is at stake?" - Daily Kos, 30 June 2014
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires" - Susan B. Anthony