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    Re: Corruption and Opulance in the Church

    Quote Originally Posted by Spensed View Post
    Where is the Holy Spirit when a priest is abusing a child or when a bishop is covering it up?
    It would appear that either the 'Holy Spirit' condones such appallingly evil behaviour, or else the priests/bishops in question are ignoring he/she/it. In which case one cannot make the claim that 'the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit, always was and continues to be'', as Mikey does in his post. One cannot be guided by that which one chooses to ignore.

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    Re: Corruption and Opulance in the Church

    let us look at this "holy spirit"

    Christianity
    Main article: Holy Spirit (Christianity)

    For the majority of Christians, the Holy Spirit (prior English language usage: the Holy Ghost from Old English gast, “spirit”) is the third person of the Holy Trinity—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and is Almighty God.[7][8][9] The Holy Spirit is seen by mainstream Christians as one Person of the Triune God, who revealed His Holy Name YHWH to his people Israel, sent His Eternally Begotten Son Jesus to save them from their Sins, and sent the Holy Spirit to sanctify and give life to his Church.[10][11][12] The Triune God manifests as three Persons (Greek hypostases),[13] in One Divine Being (Greek: Ousia),[14] called the Godhead,[15] the Divine Essence of God.[16]

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    Re: Corruption and Opulance in the Church

    let us look at this "holy spirit"

    Christianity
    Main article: Holy Spirit (Christianity)

    For the majority of Christians, the Holy Spirit (prior English language usage: the Holy Ghost from Old English gast, “spirit”) is the third person of the Holy Trinity—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and is Almighty God.[7][8][9] The Holy Spirit is seen by mainstream Christians as one Person of the Triune God, who revealed His Holy Name YHWH to his people Israel, sent His Eternally Begotten Son Jesus to save them from their Sins, and sent the Holy Spirit to sanctify and give life to his Church.[10][11][12] The Triune God manifests as three Persons (Greek hypostases),[13] in One Divine Being (Greek: Ousia),[14] called the Godhead,[15] the Divine Essence of God.[16]

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    Re: Corruption and Opulance in the Church

    there is no corruption allowed in your patriarchal version of the "holy spirit". Hence this myth breeds corruption, ironically.
    You, or your belief, demands of adults--through iinternalizing a fear of "Hell" AND of the "Holy Spirit"-- to suppress their powerful sexual appetites, and THEN puts them in charge of children...? And then you are all at a loss of how such abuse can breed. You blame man, or the "Devil" (your beliefs own creation, by the way), but ohhh nooo not your mythology!. THAT you say is uncorruptable.

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    Re: Corruption and Opulance in the Church

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    The Holy Spirit cannot, and will not intervene when it comes to the Free Will God has given to Mankind, therefore we can say that God does not condone the evil actions of the priests of his Church, and the Holy Spirit protects the core teachings of the Church.
    Above you state that the holy spirit can't and won't intervene with humankind's free will. In the "sad day, pope resigns thread" you state this:

    Again, I tell you that the Holy Spirit is the one that influences the votes, not the Cardinals. History tells us that we have had a few anti-popes elected, but they were not known as such til later. It is also known that the Holy Spirit has intervened against a Pope trying to change the core teachings of the Church, and the intervention had been felt.
    So, the holy spirit intervenes in the affairs of cardinals and popes, but not in the 'affairs' of bishops and priests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coward92 View Post
    I am not against choice.
    If some wants to do it than I won't stop her/him, but I want them to realize the true weight and seriousness of such decision, because abortus is not taken seriously enough in our societies. It is made light of.
    Is it your view that we ought take abortion seriously from the moment of conception of the zygote?
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    The worst thing...is not energy depletion, economic collapse, conventional war, or the expansion of totalitarian governments. As terrible as these catastrophes would be for us, they can be repaired in a few generations. The one process now going on that will take millions of years to correct is loss of genetic and species diversity by the destruction of natural habitats. This is the folly our descendants are least likely to forgive us.--e.o. wilson

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    Hmmm ... it's beginning to seem like it really makes precious little difference whether or not the the 'holy spirit' actually exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coward92 View Post
    Basically we should take it seriously in its every single aspect, but especially from the moment when the zygote connects with the endometrium.
    From that moment forward it starts growing and developing.
    A zygote is actually growing and developing on the first day an egg is fertilized; as it travels down the fallopian tube, it is dividing and changing form.

    What is it about implantation that makes it serve as a significant moment? The Mayo Clinic reports that at least 15-20% of all pregnancies naturally end in spontaneous abortion. Most of these miscarriages occur before the end of the first trimester, but many will occur after implantation. So, implantation doesn't seem like a good marker of viability.

    Perhaps it is the kind of development of the blastocyst that begins on the ninth day after the fertilization of an egg that you find important?
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