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    France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Well this was surprising.

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...-children?lite

    PARIS - Several hundred thousand people converged at the Eiffel Tower in Paris Sunday to protest President Francois Hollande's bill to legalize same-sex marriage by June.

    Protesters waved pink and blue flags showing a father, mother and two children. Many had taken long train and bus rides from outside Paris.
    Hollande has pledged to push through a same-sex marriage law with his Socialist party’s parliamentary majority, but his opponents have dented public support and forced deputies to put off a plan to allow lesbian couples access to artificial insemination.
    Basically the Socialist French government is pushing through marriage equality in France, which would make it the 12th country in the world to recognize our marriages. In response, anti-gay homophobes by the hundreds of thousands stormed Paris to protest the incoming law change. With disgusting ignorance, their protest centered around the idea that a child is best raised by one father and one mother. Of course, they're completely ignoring the fact that a majority of heterosexuals fail to honor this ideal by not marrying, divorcing, and re-marrying into conjoined families. Still, social conservatives were never one to think that far when it comes to logic. Damn the gays, after all. They'd rather have a bastard child raised in a broken home than have two mothers or two fathers.

    What are your thoughts? Will France's government push through marriage equality, or will the bigots get their way? Recent polls used to show an approval rating of 65% for French marriage equality. Thanks to the scare tactics of the French social conservatives, that poll has dropped to 52%.


    Edit: Can a Mod edit the forum title? Somehow France was misspelled in the process of editing and posting. Thank you.
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    Re: Frnace: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    This was really surprising to hear yesterday.

    Hollande has to push forward with this. If the bigots get their way with their fantasy of what marriage is in the 21st century, God knows where the mobs will stop.

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    Re: Frnace: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    I was not surprised, even if I'm enraged at them. Still even 500,000 is not enough to make things change. The bill will pass.

    Still I'm angry at the government because they have really badly presented the bill. The communication war is mostly done by the anti, and the pro are too politicized as leftist or far leftist. There are no proper debate in the media, just two fronts with bad arguments.

    I was appalled to hear some French protesters saying blank faced that there is marriage between 3 people in Canada since the marriage equality there. And nobody to call the bullshit. It's infuriating.

    But nonetheless marriage equality and rights of adoption will pass.
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    Re: Frnace: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    please respect the traditional French marriage of a man, a woman, and the man's 3 mistresses.

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    Re: Frnace: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    I hope he pushes with this. What are the phobes gonna do? Move to Canada?
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    Re: Frnace: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    And how has NOM been involved with this?
    I hope oakpope correct,
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    Re: Frnace: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Some leaders of NOM helped the most extreme groups of anti in France, designing pamphlets etc.

    Even if the right threaten to take it back, it will be impossible, as Spain has shown. There would be no legal ground to withdrawing a civil right, it would be struck down by the constitutional council or the European court I'm sure.

    Nonetheless, mainly because of the politicization of the debate, the % in favor has dropped I blame the government for not having established the dialogue and the base for the bill soon enough and letting the far rightist take up this excuse to hurt the left government

    As usual in France, even if you are for a bill, if it comes from the other side, it's 'evil' Sad.
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    Re: Frnace: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    please respect the traditional French marriage of a man, a woman, and the man's 3 mistresses.
    Thanks loki, I laughed out loud.

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    Re: Frnace: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    Even if the right threaten to take it back, it will be impossible, as Spain has shown. There would be no legal ground to withdrawing a civil right, it would be struck down by the constitutional council or the European court I'm sure.
    Even in Spain we had marches numbering hundreds of thousands... and it still didn't stop it. I am confident it will pass solidly for that.

    Nonetheless, mainly because of the politicization of the debate, the % in favor has dropped I blame the government for not having established the dialogue and the base for the bill soon enough and letting the far rightist take up this excuse to hurt the left government

    As usual in France, even if you are for a bill, if it comes from the other side, it's 'evil' Sad.
    Hopefully the Malian incursion will take some minds off the right wing arguments, and the government can more quietly and quickly pass the bill.

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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Well first, I'm not surprised at a large protest in France. They seem to be common.

    Second, Brian Brown is in France stirring shit up.

    Anyway, the premise behind the march is a red herring. If children need adoption, they have no parents at all willing or able to take care of them, and there will never be a shortage of homeless and foster children in need of permanent placement.
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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    European Daily calls France "protest prone" love that

    and i don't understand the linkage between gay marriage and gays adopting

    http://europeandaily.com/europe/2013...marriage-rally

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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Well, it's the same law. Or rather, the same promise by Hollande, not sure what the law actually says.
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    Re: Frnace: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    And how has NOM been involved with this?
    I hope oakpope correct,
    Ungh! Me hope Oakpope correct too, White Eagle!

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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    You have to remember that France will protest a 15-minute change in the time of mail delivery. It's more like a ritual there rather than a meaningful political contribution.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Regardless of the number (120,000 or 340,000), it's still a fraction of what Paris Pride got this year (700,000).

    The law will pass, no problem.

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    Re: Frnace: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Ungh! Me hope Oakpope correct too, White Eagle!

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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    For those who can read (poorly written internet) French...
    Most pathetic tumbler (content) ever http://manifpashomophobemais.tumblr.com/
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    ^Thank you Nishin, it made me laugh. Such amount of stupidity is so little words.
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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    ^hmmm who is that sexy bearded man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    ^hmmm who is that sexy bearded man
    Joe Jarvis. My favorite gay blogger.
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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    This clip from the Colbert Report cracks me up...

    http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...-mali-conflict

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    For those who can read (poorly written internet) French...
    Most pathetic tumbler (content) ever http://manifpashomophobemais.tumblr.com/

    It's mostly homophobic nonsense, but the blogger is clearly on our side as he or she posts the silliest homophobic nonsense, and the wittiest gay friendly replies. I'm just mentioning this in case others didn't catch that.

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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    ^ yes the blogger of this tumbler is gay an reposting posts from another tumbler/blog that he then proceed to comment/ridicule...

    Well I went to the March today, it was all nice and fuzzy but I was a little disappointed, even though our number doubled the previous pro march, we didn't outnumber the antis... I think many people didn't bother to show up because they know the law will pass anyway, whatever the antis try ...
    But I still feel it was an opportunity to make a clear statement and I wish it would have been clearer.

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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Meanwhile, the PRO-gay rally:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/wo...ance.html?_r=0

    In contrast to the opponents who demonstrated two weeks ago, many of the marchers on Sunday were relatively young and personally invested in the future of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    ^ yes the blogger of this tumbler is gay an reposting posts from another tumbler/blog that he then proceed to comment/ridicule...

    Well I went to the March today, it was all nice and fuzzy but I was a little disappointed, even though our number doubled the previous pro march, we didn't outnumber the antis... I think many people didn't bother to show up because they know the law will pass anyway, whatever the antis try ...
    But I still feel it was an opportunity to make a clear statement and I wish it would have been clearer.
    Remember that the other side bused/brought in by train people from all over the country and even out of country.

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    It's kind of ironic that the French, being the country with one of the highest rates of divorce, would actually think along those lines. I always find it funny of how we Americans find odd when homophobia in Europe is mentioned, as if they didn'tthink it existed. I want to make my homosexuality known in Paris, when I'm there this summer, just to see how many heads I can turn.

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    mmmm i thought Paris is about "french connection porn", Cadinot porn.
    Shouldn't they be more open minded than Canada ?

    Maybe show them these porn to the protestors.


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    Quote Originally Posted by youfiad View Post
    It's kind of ironic that the French, being the country with one of the highest rates of divorce, would actually think along those lines. I always find it funny of how we Americans find odd when homophobia in Europe is mentioned, as if they didn'tthink it existed. I want to make my homosexuality known in Paris, when I'm there this summer, just to see how many heads I can turn.
    Not much in Paris... but try it in the suburbs... well no actually don't try

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    Not much in Paris... but try it in the suburbs... well no actually don't try
    I lived in the suburbs of Paris, no thanks. A car exploded outside of my window, ghetto children running around. It was kinda sad, really.

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    Suburbs don't always have the same social function in Europe as they do in the US.
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    They're debating the bill at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    I don't understand what they are saying. They should speak English


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Suburbs don't always have the same social function in Europe as they do in the US.
    Inner suburbs are usually OK, but outer suburbs (exurbs, as it were) can be nasty places. But those places are by definition beyond the reach of the subway, tram, and commuter trains. The closest any tourist ever comes to those places is on the train to the airport or Disneyland Paris, when you can occasionally see the run-down buildings from afar.

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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Gay marriage has now been approved in the National Assembly (the lower house, like the House of Commons or the House of Representatives) by a très large majority. In similar news, people protested against gay marriage in next-door Belgium, where the first lesbian couple tied the knot exactly ten years ago last month. Police counted about fifty anti-gay protesters, none of whom were harmed by the hundreds of gay counterprotesters.

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    In Belgium? Seriously? They had marriage equality when the US finally got rid of its last medieval sodomy laws. Well there are going to be fundies everywhere you go, just like us.

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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Gay marriage adopted by the national assembly
    http://www.metrofrance.com/info/mari...J6fZmi3cCXnrs/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    Gay marriage adopted by the national assembly
    http://www.metrofrance.com/info/mari...J6fZmi3cCXnrs/
    That's worth its own topic.
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    Not yet, it still needs to pass another round at another institution before it becomes real

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    Meh, it's no longer about the protests. The process started. Anyway, Jockboy posted a topic.
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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    In Belgium? Seriously? They had marriage equality when the US finally got rid of its last medieval sodomy laws. Well there are going to be fundies everywhere you go, just like us.
    Well, no. They brought fifty fundies in from France, but the police persuaded them to get back on their bus before they were going to let loose the hundreds of gay counterprotesters. And yes, I remember the Supreme Court legalizing sodomy in 2002 or 2003. Imagine, in 1792, loooong before the United Kingdom of the Netherlands broke up in Holland and Belgium, it legalized homosexuality.

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    Re: France: Anti-Gay Protestors Storm "Gay Pair-eee"

    Following 2 cases of (supposedly) gay bashing last weekend, another event was organized last wednesday

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22106560

    French Senate legalizes gay marriage just today

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22126437

    Step by step... it's almost there

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