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    Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20996411

    Two major US porn companies have taken legal action to try to overturn a law requiring porn actors in Los Angeles County to wear condoms.

    Regardless of safety concerns for the actors surely condoms should be visible in porn films to encourage people to use them
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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    I think it would be great if everyone chose to use condoms but I don't think anyone should legislate what consenting adults do with their bodies.

    Thing is...if health concerns are the real issue...why not make it illegal to smoke...or eat fast food or any food that contributes to obesity which in turn potentially contributes to just about everything that will kill you?

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Naah
    Some jobs are less safe than others.
    Professional Car and Motorbike drivers die every year, same for Firefighters and Police men just to name few.
    Some jobs involve a risk, and being a porn star involve risks
    As long as the actors do regular health checks, they should not wear protection.

    Porn movies are not educational media, they are made to entertain people not to teach them how to have sex safely
    Sex education should be done at school, we should not rely on a porn movie to learn how to take care of ourselves.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Quote Originally Posted by EuroSoccer View Post
    Porn movies are not educational media, they are made to entertain people not to teach them how to have sex safely
    Sex education should be done at school, we should not rely on a porn movie to learn how to take care of ourselves.
    Hmm not sure I agree with that.
    Regardless of the intention porn movies do educate. Many people measure themselves against what they see in porn movies. There is a whole generation of youngsters who are growing up thinking that every sexual encounter results in a long lasting erection and that the climax involves a huge amount of cum.
    Obviously this is not often the case but some people are going into therapy simply because their expectations are unrealistic.
    I grew up on printed porn so my expectations were not so unreasonable; dicks were an average size and you never saw cum

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    No they should not.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeicsDom View Post
    Hmm not sure I agree with that.
    Regardless of the intention porn movies do educate. Many people measure themselves against what they see in porn movies. There is a whole generation of youngsters who are growing up thinking that every sexual encounter results in a long lasting erection and that the climax involves a huge amount of cum.
    Obviously this is not often the case but some people are going into therapy simply because their expectations are unrealistic.
    I grew up on printed porn so my expectations were not so unreasonable; dicks were an average size and you never saw cum
    You are a bit off topic
    It is known that porn movies cause unrealistic high expectations on people, but that's another issue and should be discussed separately.
    The issue here is if it is right to force porn actors to wear condoms.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Absolutely not.

    If it passes who knows what comes next. Should it not be allowed to smoke, drink or eat unhealthy food in movies?

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    No
    I'm quite sure porn stars, like any responsible adult, know exactly what they're doing...
    Just as should the audience watching these videos know exactly what they're doing when they engage in sex... If they don't, they shouldn't be allowed to watch porn when their sex-ed is clearly not up to date.
    Instead of pushing laws to force porn stars to use condoms, they should quit surrendering to the fundamentalists and enforce proper sex-ed in schools.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Make it like the seat belt law; you will only be fined if you're pulled over for some other violation.

    Like adding music to your porn.

    But seriously, if people always mimic what they see then most of today's entertainment must be banned. (Jersey Shore)
    It's a slippery slope (no pun intended).

    I agree with Nishin, proper sex ed in schools is the way to go.
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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    How do you enforce it with the web being so decentralized? Plus, it's not like it hard to produce them in the next city, or county, or just say it was; and would the authorities have the resources to investigate that every bareback video made was actually made somewhere else? How do you stop people from doing what they want?

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    People vote with their wallets. When porn companies tried to "do the right thing" by using condoms back in the early 90s, people began collecting "classic", pre-condom porn. When a few porn companies started filming bareback again, those titles immediately became the big sellers. Bareback porn now outsells condom porn on something of the order of 25-to-1. I personally prefer condoms in porn, but I recognize that I'm way in the minority here. Forcing condom use in professional porn means one of two things - the companies move to Mexico or go out of business.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    ChaosMen has a good open letter about HIV testing and their models. They also make it clear that you should separate the fantasy they provide from your actual personal behavior.

    http://www.chaosmen.com/sti_info.shtml

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    Bareback porn now outsells condom porn on something of the order of 25-to-1.
    Really???? I'm amazed it's THAT skewed. Do you mean ALL porn or just gay porn has that ratio?

    I'm completely ambivalent whether a scene is condom or no condom, I hardly notice, truth be told. Makes no difference to me. I'm surprised so many are so picky about it.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    I know nothing about straight porn, but it wouldn't surprise me to find the ratio is similar.

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    I don't like the idea of laws telling us what we have to do from a personal standpoint. I do understand that employers are supposed to offer employees the safest working environment too, so it's kind of difficult to say. I do believe that if the don't use a condom, they should definately undergo testing before each shoot in order to best determine the risks.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Sure. I have no problem with people wearing condoms in porn.

    I dont understand those that are opposed to seeing them. If it keeps the actors safe and those that they have sex with outside of the industry then I dont see any bad here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicsDom View Post
    Hmm not sure I agree with that.
    Regardless of the intention porn movies do educate. Many people measure themselves against what they see in porn movies. There is a whole generation of youngsters who are growing up thinking that every sexual encounter results in a long lasting erection and that the climax involves a huge amount of cum.
    Obviously this is not often the case but some people are going into therapy simply because their expectations are unrealistic.
    I grew up on printed porn so my expectations were not so unreasonable; dicks were an average size and you never saw cum
    I'm sure if you reread his post then you will realize how much you just supported what he said.

    The main intent in porn is to entertain, not to educate. Of course there is going to be some level of learning, since learning is a part of being a human -- we learn with exposure. That being said, the education system needs to do a better job teaching these misconceptions as it is forced to do for other walks of life. It would be silly to assume that this burden falls on the porn, because you would also have to then force the MMA, football, hockey, soccer, etc, that those athletes aren't trained like normal people and that a normal person shouldn't necessarily follow after them. There is a certain amount of responsibility that people need to start undertaking in their lives. We are all turning into mindless robots with all of these laws that tell us what we can and cannot do rather than us thinking about what's safe or not.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Who wants to watch a latex covered cock popping into a tight lubed up hole? Besides, there are no creampies with condoms. Pffft!
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    Quote Originally Posted by youfiad View Post
    I'm sure if you reread his post then you will realize how much you just supported what he said.

    The main intent in porn is to entertain, not to educate. Of course there is going to be some level of learning, since learning is a part of being a human -- we learn with exposure. That being said, the education system needs to do a better job teaching these misconceptions as it is forced to do for other walks of life. It would be silly to assume that this burden falls on the porn, because you would also have to then force the MMA, football, hockey, soccer, etc, that those athletes aren't trained like normal people and that a normal person shouldn't necessarily follow after them. There is a certain amount of responsibility that people need to start undertaking in their lives. We are all turning into mindless robots with all of these laws that tell us what we can and cannot do rather than us thinking about what's safe or not.
    Great point.

    Especially the bold part. More about scape goating and blaming people, companies, etc instead of trying to enforce more personal responsibility.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    It's bullshit. Porn is fantasy. I don't want to see it, there are studios and directors who only work safe and it's fine, but there are other studios like Treasure Island Media that work with poz guys.
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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    I think it would be great if everyone chose to use condoms but I don't think anyone should legislate what consenting adults do with their bodies.

    Thing is...if health concerns are the real issue...why not make it illegal to smoke...or eat fast food or any food that contributes to obesity which in turn potentially contributes to just about everything that will kill you?
    This speaks for me too. I certainly don't want to see abuse or actors coerced into unsafe acts, but at the same time, I have mixed feelings about the government mandating how you can do porn when there's so many niche markets that would just continue illegally (like the bareback market) regardless of a law.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    I always post this article on all threads like this as it deals with it very well. - http://www.vice.com/read/condom-law-...-kimberly-kane

    In terms of gay porn, the ban is in place on all legit gay film shoots in LA, and its only straight porn where this is an issue. Again look at my link above for a fairly clear argument against the need for condoms in porn, while its a bit one sided it made up my mind.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Do condoms really mess up the fantasy ?

    Ill be honest. Bareback, straight or gay can make me a bit uncomfortable. All I see is disease, really. Maybe Ive seen too many porn documentaries or maybe I just like to think of the actors as people.

    I havent seen a GREAT amount of porn, but from the stuff that I have seen, I may prefer the condom wearing ones.

    If it becomes law to wear condoms in adult films, people will eventually adapt to this.

    Porn companies like Men at Play "play safe" and its really good, high quality porn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAnne View Post
    Do condoms really mess up the fantasy ?

    Ill be honest. Bareback, straight or gay can make me a bit uncomfortable. All I see is disease, really. Maybe Ive seen too many porn documentaries or maybe I just like to think of the actors as people.

    I havent seen a GREAT amount of porn, but from the stuff that I have seen, I may prefer the condom wearing ones.

    If it becomes law to wear condoms in adult films, people will eventually adapt to this.

    Porn companies like Men at Play "play safe" and its really good, high quality porn.
    I definitely agree with you, I just know the demand is there no matter what they try to do as far as laws. So it's a tough one. I "like to think" that people doing bareback are either being tested or going into it knowing full well about the disease risk. Rationally I know that won't always be the case either base of addiction-influenced thinking, emotional problems or manipulation or coercion from producers. So it's a tough one for me. I guess the bottom line though is that in the things I just listed as issues of conscience about the industry, I don't know that a law will help much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAnne View Post
    Do condoms really mess up the fantasy ?

    Ill be honest. Bareback, straight or gay can make me a bit uncomfortable. All I see is disease, really. Maybe Ive seen too many porn documentaries or maybe I just like to think of the actors as people.
    It makes me think of John Waters' comment that watching bareback porn is like watching a snuff film.
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    It makes me think of John Waters' comment that watching bareback porn is like watching a snuff film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaraBulut View Post
    It makes me think of John Waters' comment that watching bareback porn is like watching a snuff film.
    Wow. What a statement.

    I dont know why Im surprised. Waters always has something interesting to say.

    I remember watching a documentary or maybe it was an article: This young HIV+ kid (over 18) was trying to get his bareback scenes snatched off of the internet. He had been infected in his very first scene and didnt like the fact that people were getting off and watching him get infected at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAnne View Post
    Wow. What a statement.

    I dont know why Im surprised. Waters always has something interesting to say.

    I remember watching a documentary or maybe it was an article: This young HIV+ kid (over 18) was trying to get his bareback scenes snatched off of the internet. He had been infected in his very first scene and didnt like the fact that people were getting off and watching him get infected at the same time.
    There is no buzzkill like stumbling upon a list of gay porn actors who've died of HIV. I stumbled on one once and was really surprised, and kinda depressed for awhile. I guess I try to avoid them now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beachguyj View Post
    Watching a John Waters film is like torture.
    I love John Waters films.

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    There is no buzzkill like stumbling upon a list of gay porn actors who've died of HIV.
    Yes, Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    I love John Waters films.
    Me too!

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Well there will always be guys who prefer bareback and if the studio has good regulations (like getting tested every month) then it's probably less risky than let's say doing it in a bathhouse.

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    ^ And thank goodness for that! lmao. (Oops that was @ MissAnne)

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    ^ And thank goodness for that! lmao. (Oops that was @ MissAnne)
    LOL...
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    ^ And thank goodness for that!

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Quote Originally Posted by MissAnne View Post
    Do condoms really mess up the fantasy ?

    Ill be honest. Bareback, straight or gay can make me a bit uncomfortable. All I see is disease, really. Maybe Ive seen too many porn documentaries or maybe I just like to think of the actors as people.
    I havent seen a GREAT amount of porn, but from the stuff that I have seen, I may prefer the condom wearing ones.
    If it becomes law to wear condoms in adult films, people will eventually adapt to this.
    Porn companies like Men at Play "play safe" and its really good, high quality porn.
    Allow me to disagree... in your very first sentence you ask do condoms mess up the fantasy ...
    So you imply that you see porn as a fantasy... something idealized ...
    Do you wear condoms when you have sex in thoughts or in your dreams?

    I too tend to consider porn as a "perfect" depiction of sex, and so, it's doesn't really, to me, have grounds in reality... that's also how I accept the premise of these perfect guys with abs and perfect fur, keeping a hard on of hours, fucking in the mot athletic positions, practicing anal with no mess ever, having exploding orgasms ejaculating liters of sperm etc ...
    Anyone should know this isn't reality.

    Of course, actors that are being shot for the movies are real. But as someone else said, they are professional ,who chose what they do, and as such should behave professionally, get tested regularly and before each scene, make sure that their personal life doesn't impact their work etc etc
    Just to point out that I am talking of studio released movies, not the amateur flix from pornotubes and such...

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    Do you wear condoms when you have sex in thoughts or in your dreams?
    Sometimes, yes.

    However, In my fantasies and dreams, Im always with a long time, commited partner. Fuck buddies/NSA sex does not appeal to me in fantasy or reality.

    I guess that reflects in my porn interests.
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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Maybe a warning sign at the start of the video?
    Saying they are acting and the sex is not real and not normal.
    Real sex doesn't happen like porn, very few anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAnne View Post
    Sometimes, yes.

    However, In my fantasies and dreams, Im always with a long time, commited partner. Fuck buddies/NSA sex does not appeal to me in fantasy or reality.

    I guess that reflects in my porn interests.
    You know you wanted to randomly start doing the pizza guy at least once in your life. Admit it!

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Quote Originally Posted by EuroSoccer View Post
    Naah
    Some jobs are less safe than others.
    Professional Car and Motorbike drivers die every year, same for Firefighters and Police men just to name few.
    Some jobs involve a risk, and being a porn star involve risks
    As long as the actors do regular health checks, they should not wear protection.
    Obviously you lack knowledge of safety regulations that have been implemented in professions that you mention. NASCAR adheres to industry safety standards to reduce risk to drivers and spectators. U.S. law enforcement agencies resisted adoption of training standards, universal use of body armor and other safety procedures for many decades. Now there is the National Institute of Justice that regulates training, body armor standards and equipment to reduce risk of harm and death to cops. Firefighting evolved from a hazardous profession to a profession monitored by industry regulators and laws guided by the NFPA that created new standards on firefighting equipment, gear, procedures, training. When fire departments resisted changes at least their excuse was that new safety demands cost the cities millions in dollars as equipment is not cheap. Condoms cost dollars. This view on "health check ups" for porn stars is the same type of flaw that thousands of ignorant people adhere to and get infected with HIV every year. "Health check ups" don't work as effective preventative measures for many factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    You know you wanted to randomly start doing the pizza guy at least once in your life. Admit it!
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... maybe, but after its over he would have to stay for dinner and listen to my problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAnne View Post
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... maybe, but after its over he would have to stay for dinner and listen to my problems.
    This night ends in mutual toenail polishing, I can just sense it.

    I agree with you though in a sense, particularly "generic/typical" porn, I find it hard to get aroused sometimes when I'm laughing so hard at how someone just randomly walks up to someone else playing with himself in a bathroom and starts having sex with him. It's just beyond credibility sometimes.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    I too tend to consider porn as a "perfect" depiction of sex, and so, it's doesn't really, to me, have grounds in reality... that's also how I accept the premise of these perfect guys with abs and perfect fur, keeping a hard on of hours, fucking in the mot athletic positions, practicing anal with no mess ever, having exploding orgasms ejaculating liters of sperm etc ...
    Anyone should know this isn't reality.
    I definitely agree here...except for the fact that I keep running into people who don't know this.

    How many people on JUB have we seen complain about the size of their cocks? Even when it's "only six and half inches"? How many JUBbers have we seen say they're virgins, and the reason they'll never lose their V card is because "I don't look hot like a porn star"? How many guys have said they'll be alone forever because they have a few too many pounds, or are over the age of thirty? And on top of that, how many of these guys have said they specifically want "a hot young guy" to have sex with? It really does seem that these guys have decided that "sex" is "what hot well-hung 20-year-old guys do to one another". And getting a piece of that means somehow becoming one of those hot well-hung 20-year-olds who can have sex with another...and since that ain't happening, they'll die virgins. You and I both know that ain't the case, but it certainly suggests that they're getting all their sex information from porn.

    The problem is, to put it simply, that there are far too many guys who are getting all their information about sex via porn. Which is like getting all your information about human interaction from sitcoms - you're getting a warped view on How Things Are. And the solution I don't think is to try to make porn the educator. It's to try to reach these guys to educate them in other ways. To let them know that sex is just one or more people taking their clothes off and making each other feel good. I just don't know the best way to go about that.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    i think the idea is sound, but making condoms mandatory only in LA makes no sense.
    i think making it mandatory in larger areas, like the whole us, or eu, would make more sense.
    of course, companies can (and will) still go in other countires to shoot there.
    but at least it would add a significant obstacle.
    i also think that, if such a law would exist, companies should still be allowed to make "unsafe" porn if they fulfill certain standards.

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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    ....sex is just one or more people taking their clothes off and making each other feel good. I just don't know the best way to go about that.

    Lex
    Oh, I bet you're better at it than you're letting on...
    (sorry, couldn't resist the sort-of 'misplaced modifier' out-of-context yuks.)

    No. Keep the laws off the pornies dicks. condoms, yes - laws, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAnne View Post
    Do condoms really mess up the fantasy ?
    Sometimes they do for me. I can totally watch any of kind of porn, the situation itself matters more to me than that. There are times though where it kind of does turn me off. At the same time I can understand that there is some really raunchy hardcore unsafe sex out on porn sites where I myself question it.

    My problem when it comes to banning or enforcing some kind of standard on things, especially adult oriented things it is totally reactionary and it isn't going to help to solve the problem. At best it is a short term solution.

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    No, it should not. The industry already screens and tests its models better than we do in our own sex lives.
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    Re: Should the law insist on condoms in porn fims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrock-JD View Post
    ChaosMen has a good open letter about HIV testing and their models. They also make it clear that you should separate the fantasy they provide from your actual personal behavior.
    In an ideal world that would happen but we all know that there is a huge number of people who slavishly emulate what they see in the press and in the media. That is why modern films rarely show smoking any more.

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