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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Technically..... yes. Technically singing "Happy Birthday" at any venue is also considered a public performance and is subject to copyright laws. Technically. ABSURD! But nonetheless....

    So don't sing popular songs in the shower loud enough for people outside to hear. Yeah.... Technically.
    Stupid, isn't it? We have some really screwed up laws. But technically there are laws that prohibit sex in anything other than missionary position. So who the hell enforces these????

    And.... yes, if they could figure out how to Neuralize us after a movie so we'd forget and pay to see it again.... they would.



    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    If I buy a movie, and then invite 15 people over to watch it and do this several times would I still be a pirate?

    Dozens of people got to watch it without paying for it.

    ... or if I go into a book store and just read the comics there without purchasing them, is that piracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Eh, it's all been said already, but to reiterate:

    1. Serial downloaders aren't potential customers. Most would never have bought the product if it weren't available for free.

    2. Downloading can be a gateway to purchases instead of redirecting people from them. Case in point - "illegal" downloading (and fansubs) has been essential to popularizing anime outside of Japan. Without it, Japanese animation would have never become as popular as it is today.

    3. Downloading is only harmful for unpopular products, and even then, it could help the product instead of ruin it.
    1. Yes. I have a well to do friend who owns 3 houses and works for Apple. He simply will NOT buy anything. He either mooches music and videos from friends or torrent sites. He simply REFUSES to pay for content. He is not, nor will EVER be a customer. That's his mindset, and that's that. Nope, no way, and not even for $1 a disc.

    2. I myself have downloaded certain stuff to check it out, because I have been "burned" in the past with crappy media. Many times I have either: "Fuck this crap! Total waste of time and money..... damn glad I didn't BUY this crap!" (Hit Delete)
    Or: "Hey, this is really good!" "I want the original" (Buys item online)


    3. True. Crap is crap. I'd rather not find out I PAID to throw something in the trash.

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    No, my 3 was about indie projects and cool stuff with limited success, not about crap. The indie game studios that died because of piracy, that buzzer mentioned, for example.
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    BTW, does anyone here remember when you could walk into a record or CD shop and LISTEN to a title before you bought it?

    You found out right there on the spot if something was crap or not before you put your money down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    No, my 3 was about indie projects and cool stuff with limited success, not about crap. The indie game studios that died because of piracy, that buzzer mentioned, for example.
    Ahh.. sorry about that.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    Do you remember the outcry a few months ago, when it appeared the new Instagram settings allowed the company to use any of the pictures people posted for commercial purposes? As one person pointed out, "Oh I see - when it's YOUR work that somebody is going to use without permission or financial compensation, THEN it's a problem."

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    Apples and pears, old boy. Instagram and FB are going to SELL your image or charge advertisers to use it. The average home entertainment pirate is not making money off his illegalities (sure some probably are, but that's another issue. I believe most countries have provisions and distinguish between possession of stolen goods vs selling of stolen goods).

    Use my image for non-commercial purposes, I can handle. Making money off me unfairly... not cool. I believe in the olden days that was commonly referred to as slavery, and as such I believe it has been outlawed (almost) everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audio Tech View Post
    BTW, does anyone here remember when you could walk into a record or CD shop and LISTEN to a title before you bought it?

    You found out right there on the spot if something was crap or not before you put your money down.
    Yes! I remember Borders having stations allowing you to listen to some CDs before deciding if you wanted to by them or not. But then they went bankrupt.

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    The word "Illegal" said it all. If you truly support something, pay for it. When you download somethng you didn't pay for "movies, games, music, porn" that's stealing period. How would you feel if someone downloaded something you make money off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    you are STEALING nothing ever . The word is COPYING . The whole point of shoplifting or theft is something must be taken nothing every is . Ever . The crime is infringing legal rights of an individual not removing an object . Not a single thing is ever reduced ever .
    yeah that is bullshit
    imagine this, you invented the telephone, i copy the idea (without consent) and get a patent and make profit out of it. did i not steal that idea?
    now this, i made a movie, you copy a movie (without consent) and derive pleasure from watching it (which is analogous to profit). are you sure you haven't stolen it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kien View Post
    Let's criminalize youtube'ers who put songs on repeat cause they aint paying a single cent either.
    If the artists made that upload, or have agreed with it, then obviously it is ok.
    It's like, if i offer you a gift, you did not steal it from me, got it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruivinho View Post
    If the artists made that upload, or have agreed with it, then obviously it is ok.
    It's like, if i offer you a gift, you did not steal it from me, got it?
    Oh ok. So since it's a gift, I can do what I want with it, right? Cause like, I'll convert it to an .mp3 file and play it on my computer on Winamp. Oh, I guess I've somehow turned into a criminal because I don't have to open youtube to listen to it.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by ruivinho View Post
    yeah that is bullshit
    imagine this, you invented the telephone, i copy the idea (without consent) and get a patent and make profit out of it. did i not steal that idea?
    now this, i made a movie, you copy a movie (without consent) and derive pleasure from watching it (which is analogous to profit). are you sure you haven't stolen it?
    Actually, yes, he hasn't. The movie is intact, and anyone who wishes to purchase it is free to do so.


    And before people start those absolutist rants about how it's illegal and that's that, maybe it is worth addressing the issue of movie companies being about ten years behind on the times. Piracy is not only a fact of life, it is virtually impossible to stop in the digital age. So instead of wasting resources fighting it, why not try to offer a better product than the one people are pirating?
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Let me just throw in for consideration-- any well known song will have like, hundreds of postings of it on youtube. Many of them with individual users setting their own backdrop, scenery, video footage, fan tribute, or even just a blank screen with the lyrics in the video. None of those hits are going to the artist. So to me, the difference between "saving it for winamp" and "pulling up a youtube to listen to it", not paying money either way, is still paper thin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjoe View Post
    And whilst it was definetely much better quality than what we had been using it didn't end up being cheaper, infact they cost way way way more to buy. The reason was there was no piracy, the industry had complete control over us and could charge what they liked, they took advantage and for a while the consumers were shit on.
    I remermber, in the old days, even into the first few years of the piracy era, when movies first started coming out on VHS VideoTape, the going price for movies was $79.99 to $99.99 EACH. That didn't exactly encourage anybody to buy the product legally, did it?

    That also helped to set, in stone, the mindset that piracy was cool. Perhaps if the studios had started selling movies for something similar to two or three times the price of a ticket to the cinema, more people would have paid for ownership. Video tape itself was quite expensive in these early days, so going cheap like $5 or $10 per movie wasn't an option, yet.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    I see nothing wrong with people downloading stuff off the net for free (that said I have no idea what they use these days - torrents or some other more modern "file sharing" app, because I avoid that stuff. its not worth it to me)

    Is there any real difference between:
    A) downloading a song off the net
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    B) connecting your stereo to the computer and recording that same song off a radio station?
    In the long run I see no difference, in both cases you end up with an "audio file" on the computer...

    I'll state that personally I'd never pay for ANY file (doesn't matter what it is)...if there'd a CD I want, it'll eventually show up at one of the thrift stores or the local Used CD store. Then I'll just buy it there (which I've done plenty of times) and have better quality than some downloaded MP3. If I want MP3's for portability I can make my own off that CD..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72-Jay View Post
    I'll state that personally I'd never pay for ANY file (doesn't matter what it is)...if there'd a CD I want, it'll eventually show up at one of the thrift stores or the local Used CD store. Then I'll just buy it there (which I've done plenty of times) and have better quality than some downloaded MP3. If I want MP3's for portability I can make my own off that CD..
    This mindset, also, makes a LOT more sense than it did when I was a young adult. Those who are younger than perhaps 40 (and, if your username has anything to do with birth date, you're RIGHT on that edge), and especially if they started using computers early in the game when Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 was still the newest software, "scarcity" of media is only a childhood memory. Going back a little bit farther, into the 1970's, it was not even readily possible to buy movies, and old music (especially rock and roll or country "oldies") could only be found easily on reissue vinyl and mostly only in larger cities. (Granted, I knew how to find this stuff much more readily, as it's WHAT I DO, but I'm definitely the exception. Just ask G-Lexington. He knows what I mean here.)

    It is STILL true that experiencing recorded media of any kind, can only be done comfortably ONE THING AT A TIME. (OK, I like music "mash-up" and collage too, but that is an extreme acquired taste, and it barely exists at all.) The amount of music that now exists is incredible. If there's something that 72-Jay or anybody else wants, chances are that it is only ONE item out of hundreds or perhaps thousands of items that provide entertainment, and in many cases the Jones can be satisfied by going to YouTube. While waiting for any of those seven things you really want to show up somewhere, you're going to find another 9 or 182 things that are fine for you, so just because your wanted early Nickelback CD hasn't shown up in your favorite shopping places yet, you don't walk away media-starved, you probably find something else you like. Unless one's tastes are very restricted, it's difficult not to find something that's satisfactory.

    And, therefore, one can still occupy listening time with moozik, even if it isn't the EXACT moozik that you were trying to get.

    72-Jay, what do you do, though, when you like a band and they're not actually releasing CD's? That's something much more common now, and that wasn't true 15 or 20 years ago. Nowadays even some of the tunes (Oh NOES!!! I didn't call them songs! Stop this before it spreads!!!) on Billboard's "Hot 100" singles charts are DOWNLOADS only, with no analogous "hard copy" available. Though, if the artist is successful enough to land on the Hot 100, they'll usually release an album eventually. But even if they put that song (ahhhhh...that's better) on the album, it may not be the mix that you want.

    I still remember sitting in front of the radio in 1966, hoping against hope that the soul FM station from Toledo, Ohio (the only source, at the time, to hear soul music on FM) would eventually play Wilson Pickett's "Land of 1,000 Dances" - and how ecstatic I was when they finally DID play it...and I snagged that thing onto a reel to reel tape!!!

    Strangely, though I was living in a county with a population near 100,000...there was NO full-service record store in the area which actually stocked records that were no longer on the Charts. That was a very unusual circumstance, indeed. Much later I found out that even places like Pampa, Texas and Spencer, West Virginia and Linton, Indiana and Red Bluff, California had full service record stores during that same time.
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    ^ 72-Jay's "version" of waiting for the used CD to show up cheap somewhere, of course, has its corollary back in the older era as well. "Used record shops" as such didn't REALLY exist 40 to 50 years ago, but one would wait and hope that the sought records (45RPM and/or album, depending on your preference at the time) would show up at the Salvation Army/Goodwill or similar thrift places, or perhaps in the 29-cent dump bin at Arlan's or Topp's, or in a cheap bin at Kresge's or something.

    More fortunate music fans may have actually known a source of records taken off jukeboxes and taken back to the vendor, and been able to buy the castoffs that way (usually 25 cents or less each). One didn't have to wait long at all for that wanted song to turn up and, unless one was adventurous, musical tastes were more or less limited to what was on the RADIO. And since jukeboxes generally played hits, it was GUARANTEED that your wanted radio hit would become available, cheap, if you were only willing to wait a month or two.

    And, though these castoff singles were rarely "mint" - we were satisfied because, often, we were only listening on some $30 record player or something, or perhaps one of those hi-fi consoles (which were actually FURNITURE outfitted usually with a record player and sometimes also a TV set). Most of us didn't know anything about fine quality cartridges and styli, and unless the record was blasted-all-to-shit, it generally sounded fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank
    This mindset, also, makes a LOT more sense than it did when I was a young adult. Those who are younger than perhaps 40 (and, if your username has anything to do with birth date, you're RIGHT on that edge), and especially if they started using computers early in the game when Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 was still the newest software, "scarcity" of media is only a childhood memory. Going back a little bit farther, into the 1970's, it was not even readily possible to buy movies, and old music (especially rock and roll or country "oldies") could only be found easily on reissue vinyl and mostly only in larger cities. (Granted, I knew how to find this stuff much more readily, as it's WHAT I DO, but I'm definitely the exception. Just ask G-Lexington. He knows what I mean here.)
    Yep you're correct on the username/age...
    I actually started using computers back before the Windows 3.1 days when it was all DOS
    Save for borrowing (& copying to cassette) a limited number of CD's (plus recording stuff off the radio) when I was highschool age, I didn't really start collecting/getting into music until sometime in my 20's... Then I would hit sales at the normal stores. Once used CD stores started showing up that became my place (allot of which have since closed). I eventually found out about thrift-stores & garage-sales

    I like music "mash-up" and collage too, but that is an extreme acquired taste, and it barely exists at all.
    LOL some of those 'mash-ups' (or 'booty-mixes' as I've seen it called) are fun

    While waiting for any of those seven things you really want to show up somewhere, you're going to find another 9 or 182 things that are fine for you, so just because your wanted early Nickelback CD hasn't shown up in your favorite shopping places yet, you don't walk away media-starved,
    Thats the problem with going to those places ... even if I don't find whatever the main thing(s) I mighta been looking for, I usually end up getting something else

    And, therefore, one can still occupy listening time with moozik, even if it isn't the EXACT moozik that you were trying to get.
    LOL on the term "moozik" because I use that too

    72-Jay, what do you do, though, when you like a band and they're not actually releasing CD's?
    If its a download then it'd have to be free (even if technically not legal) but I'd still avoid that file-sharing stuff, so finding/obtaining the files might be hard LOL
    Actually on this...Last year there was one song I wanted after hearing it on FM/radio, HD-2 station so they didn't just play mainstream stuff (sadly said station no longer exists) .. googled for the song/artist but couldn't find much info ... found a vid on YouTube, there they said it wasn't out on CD / only available as a (paid) download. I went for my one & only option - record it directly from radio...so now I have a MP3
    I still remember sitting in front of the radio in 1966, hoping against hope that the soul FM station from Toledo, Ohio (the only source, at the time, to hear soul music on FM) would eventually play Wilson Pickett's "Land of 1,000 Dances" - and how ecstatic I was when they finally DID play it...and I snagged that thing onto a reel to reel tape!!!
    I once saw some actual albums?(maybe just singles ? ) on reel to reel tape at Goodwill...was shocked to know such things even existed Wonder what those woulda cost someone when they were new? (probably shoulda grabbed that stuff & re-sold it on ebay LOL)

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    I STILL record on Reel to Reel, although purely as a hobby and on an actual studio machine. The rest of my music I stream off Pandora or hard drive.

    Back before digital, that's what you did. You sat in front of the radio with a cassette deck and waited for the DJ to play stuff you liked.
    I also still have a ton of cassettes.... ironically, some of those sound better than the crap offered today.

    One of my favorites was taping the Dr. Demento Show on the Mighty MET. (Anyone remember that?) Good times. Maybe oddly simple times.

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    I will admit I will steal when it is impossible to find it anywhere else, but I do think it is wrong.

    Look at it this way. You just spent $1000 out of your own pocket to produce some good quality porn. Everything came from your head, and it is ultimately your baby. Hell, you might even be more proud of it than your real child. Now it's time to put it out there for the world to behold and hopefully recoup your personal financial loss and launch a career ultimately. Your porn is well received and word of mouth starts to get around. Everyone knows it is conviently found on your website, for a reasonable price. Hell, it is even in the teaser video where to buy, but 90 out of 100 people download it illegally. You can't afford to make anything new, and the $1000 you put into it is lost forever. You also have angry actors who expected to be recouped handsomly from the sale of this video, but you can't give them the money they want.

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    With all that being said though http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    I will admit I will steal when it is impossible to find it anywhere else, but I do think it is wrong.

    Look at it this way. You just spent $1000 out of your own pocket to produce some good quality porn. Everything came from your head, and it is ultimately your baby. Hell, you might even be more proud of it than your real child. Now it's time to put it out there for the world to behold and hopefully recoup your personal financial loss and launch a career ultimately. Your porn is well received and word of mouth starts to get around. Everyone knows it is conviently found on your website, for a reasonable price. Hell, it is even in the teaser video where to buy, but 90 out of 100 people download it illegally. You can't afford to make anything new, and the $1000 you put into it is lost forever. You also have angry actors who expected to be recouped handsomly from the sale of this video, but you can't give them the money they want.
    95% of the events in your premise is speculation/fabricated. I'm revoking the Vulcan in your avatar. You're not very logical.
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    So since I feel my particular angle was ever really addressed:

    1) You bookmark a song you like on youtube to listen to when you like-- the person who put the youtube up is NOT the artist, or affiliated with the label or record company. This easily accounts for 99.99% of all songs posted on youtube. The hits aren't going to the artist.

    2) You open up wavepad and save the song and play it in winamp instead.

    What was the difference, ethically?

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    This is great. I'm going to steal whatever I please from refuji, and if he thinks about calling the authorities, I'll just threaten to point them to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    This is great. I'm going to steal whatever I please from refuji, and if he thinks about calling the authorities, I'll just threaten to point them to this thread.
    Well... are you STEALING from Refuji... or COPYING from him ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    This is great. I'm going to steal whatever I please from refuji, and if he thinks about calling the authorities, I'll just threaten to point them to this thread.
    Any analogy here would be bad but think of it this way.

    Refuji plays piano in his house, you hear it everyday, and he brings people over and charges them to hear it in person.

    You mention hearing him play from your bedroom and he accuses you of stealing.

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    ... or demands you pay for it every time you listen to it.
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    Oh my fuck, guys. I wasn't even making any moral commentary on downloading.

    I'm just trying to blackmail somebody so I can get some free shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Oh my fuck, guys. I wasn't even making any moral commentary on downloading.

    I'm just trying to blackmail somebody so I can get some free shit.
    LOL Well then in that case, you have to cut us in to keep us quiet too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    If I buy a movie, and then invite 15 people over to watch it and do this several times would I still be a pirate?

    Dozens of people got to watch it without paying for it.

    ... or if I go into a book store and just read the comics there without purchasing them, is that piracy?
    If you purchased the movie, then you aren't "copying" it if you play it and others watch. On the other hand, purchasing it doesn't allow "public performances" and inviting 15 strangers to watch, even without monetary gain, is probably illegal.

    Bookstores usually have coffee shops and chairs for customers to read. It isn't copying it if you read it. It also isn't distributing it. The bookstore probably has a license for allowing customers to read the material or some sort of rights.

    I know Barnes & Noble and Amazon will allow you to read the first 10 pages of a book for free if you sign-in, have an account with them.

    Personally, I think YouTube is the best advertising music has had since the radio. I often buy songs after hearing them for the first time on there. The links to purchase are usually right under the video or in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Oh my fuck, guys. I wasn't even making any moral commentary on downloading.

    I'm just trying to blackmail somebody so I can get some free shit.
    By all means carry on then! It will prompt some colorful posts from Refuji.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrock-JD View Post
    If you purchased the movie, then you aren't "copying" it if you play it and others watch. On the other hand, purchasing it doesn't allow "public performances" and inviting 15 strangers to watch, even without monetary gain, is probably illegal.
    Perhaps I'm dense. I just don't see much difference between inviting them over to watch it, or just giving them copies to watch it.

    I've borrowed movies from friends before. Still the same to me if I borrow their original, or they give me a copy.
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    Well, I purchase music that I really like. Everything else I usually just stream. I download it if streaming is not available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Actually, yes, he hasn't. The movie is intact, and anyone who wishes to purchase it is free to do so.


    And before people start those absolutist rants about how it's illegal and that's that, maybe it is worth addressing the issue of movie companies being about ten years behind on the times. Piracy is not only a fact of life, it is virtually impossible to stop in the digital age. So instead of wasting resources fighting it, why not try to offer a better product than the one people are pirating?
    I totally agree with everything you said, and i never said anything that went against it.^
    (except, of course, the first sentence)
    But saying that it is copying and not stealing is a lazy argument....

    I agree with you even more so because fighting piracy has has privacy costs implied and i believe that protecting privacy is way more important than the lost profit.

    Just to clear things, my opinion:
    I think that CDs and DVDs are way too expensive, and that we shouldn't have to pay for something we might not enjoy at all, especially when it is so highly priced. Therefore, i only buy CDs or DVDs when i like the album or the movie enough. Nowadays i admit i don't buy them a lot, because i don't earn my own money yet, but as soon as i will, i will buy more of the albums/movie that i've enjoyed enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kien View Post
    Oh ok. So since it's a gift, I can do what I want with it, right? Cause like, I'll convert it to an .mp3 file and play it on my computer on Winamp. Oh, I guess I've somehow turned into a criminal because I don't have to open youtube to listen to it.
    I know it comes off as lazy, but I'm going to quote this in reply:
    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Let me just throw in for consideration-- any well known song will have like, hundreds of postings of it on youtube. Many of them with individual users setting their own backdrop, scenery, video footage, fan tribute, or even just a blank screen with the lyrics in the video. None of those hits are going to the artist. So to me, the difference between "saving it for winamp" and "pulling up a youtube to listen to it", not paying money either way, is still paper thin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    Perhaps I'm dense. I just don't see much difference between inviting them over to watch it, or just giving them copies to watch it.

    I've borrowed movies from friends before. Still the same to me if I borrow their original, or they give me a copy.
    I agree. (not that you're dense, but with your argument)

    Here is what I found on public performance law:

    The Law
    The Federal Copyright Act (Title 17 of the U.S. Code) governs how copyrighted materials, such as movies, may be used. Neither the rental nor the purchase of a copy of a copyrighted work carries with it the right to publicly exhibit the work. No additional license is required to privately view a movie or other copyrighted work with a few friends and family or in certain narrowly defined face-to-face teaching activities. However, bars, restaurants, private clubs, prisons, lodges, factories, summer camps, public libraries, daycare facilities, parks and recreation departments, churches and non-classroom use at schools and universities are all examples of situations where a public performance license must be obtained. This legal requirement applies regardless of whether an admission fee is charged, whether the institution or organization is commercial or non-profit, or whether a federal or state agency is involved.

    Legal Sanctions
    "Willful" infringement of these rules concerning public performances for commercial or financial gain is a federal crime carrying a maximum sentence of up to five years in jail and/or a $250,000 fine. Even inadvertent infringement is subject to substantial civil damages.


    It says "a few friends or family" that sounds a bit vague. The "or family" part bothers me. Does that mean any size family? or a few of the family?

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    btw: I read a court case years ago that our avatars and signature images aren't considered copyright infringement. They were ruled to be personal expression. Of course, they can't be too large and they can't be posted on a website/blog not as an avatar or siggy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrock-JD View Post
    I agree. (not that you're dense, but with your argument)

    Here is what I found on public performance law:

    The Law
    The Federal Copyright Act (Title 17 of the U.S. Code) governs how copyrighted materials, such as movies, may be used. Neither the rental nor the purchase of a copy of a copyrighted work carries with it the right to publicly exhibit the work. No additional license is required to privately view a movie or other copyrighted work with a few friends and family or in certain narrowly defined face-to-face teaching activities. However, bars, restaurants, private clubs, prisons, lodges, factories, summer camps, public libraries, daycare facilities, parks and recreation departments, churches and non-classroom use at schools and universities are all examples of situations where a public performance license must be obtained. This legal requirement applies regardless of whether an admission fee is charged, whether the institution or organization is commercial or non-profit, or whether a federal or state agency is involved.

    Legal Sanctions
    "Willful" infringement of these rules concerning public performances for commercial or financial gain is a federal crime carrying a maximum sentence of up to five years in jail and/or a $250,000 fine. Even inadvertent infringement is subject to substantial civil damages.


    It says "a few friends or family" that sounds a bit vague. The "or family" part bothers me. Does that mean any size family? or a few of the family?
    Gay bars around here used to have "events" where everyone would show up to watch "Will and Grace" or whatever, and most all sports bars has a TV going. I wonder how many of them have a performance license?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruivinho View Post
    I know it comes off as lazy, but I'm going to quote this in reply:
    Wait. Is that supposed to counter what I said? Because it kind of doesn't...

    I'm a bit confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    You just spent $1000 out of your own pocket to produce some good quality porn. Everything came from your head, and it is ultimately your baby. Hell, you might even be more proud of it than your real child. Now it's time to put it out there for the world to behold and hopefully recoup your personal financial loss and launch a career ultimately. Your porn is well received and word of mouth starts to get around. Everyone knows it is conviently found on your website, for a reasonable price. Hell, it is even in the teaser video where to buy, but 90 out of 100 people download it illegally. You can't afford to make anything new, and the $1000 you put into it is lost forever. You also have angry actors who expected to be recouped handsomly from the sale of this video, but you can't give them the money they want.
    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    95% of the events in your premise is speculation/fabricated. I'm revoking the Vulcan in your avatar. You're not very logical.
    It all sounds pretty logical to me. The only thing possibly illogical at all about it is the low dollar amount. I think nowadays it costs more than $1,000 to make a good porno video, all costs considered - and losing out on $1,000 (or, more likely, part of it) is a hurdle that can likely be overcome enough to pay whoever is owed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrock-JD View Post
    No additional license is required to privately view a movie or other copyrighted work with a few friends and family

    It says "a few friends or family" that sounds a bit vague. The "or family" part bothers me. Does that mean any size family? or a few of the family?
    Sometimes gay people are slangily referred to as "family." ("That looks like women's shoes that he's wearing. I think he is probably family.")

    That means that NO MATTER HOW MANY gay people are assembled, even if filling an entire football stadium, it violates no law because everybody there is "family" LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    most all sports bars has a TV going. I wonder how many of them have a performance license?
    Here in .za we all have to own a tv licence in order to have a tv. Funds from that go towards offsetting the cost of producing local content for tv and radio. Businesses like restaurants, bars and clubs have to pay for a business tv licence, which costs much more than a normal tv licence and encompasses the potential for their hosting of events like the finals of the World Cup or anything which would be construed as boosting business from televised events.

    This additional business licence includes a portion to cover royalties for playing music or hosting live cover bands. So in short, yes, some bars do indeed have a performance licence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    It all sounds pretty logical to me. The only thing possibly illogical at all about it is the low dollar amount. I think nowadays it costs more than $1,000 to make a good porno video, all costs considered - and losing out on $1,000 (or, more likely, part of it) is a hurdle that can likely be overcome enough to pay whoever is owed.


    Sometimes gay people are slangily referred to as "family." ("That looks like women's shoes that he's wearing. I think he is probably family.")

    That means that NO MATTER HOW MANY gay people are assembled, even if filling an entire football stadium, it violates no law because everybody there is "family" LOL
    I've seen some bad porn that was still good.

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    wait, is that copyrighted?

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    The reason why piracy is so widespread is because of a horrendous lack of decent options by the movie / TV / music industry.

    Here in the UK I always see these offers at the cinema (I think you call it a movie theatre) anyway, for 12.99 you can go to the cinema anytime you like and watch unlimited movies all for that price. I think this is great value for money and if I had a friend that liked going as often as me I would definitely do this. But I don't and I hate to go alone.

    If there was an equivalent DVD option I would love to pay for this. The only choices we have here are stuff like Netflix but the stuff that comes out on that is just way way too old and I don't have the patience to wait a year or two after it comes out to watch something, so I pirate instead. Give me a decent option that can match the torrents and I would be the first to pay it.

    As for pc games I nearly always pirate them first and if I find I like them I will buy them, especially so I can play online.

    The individual prices of movies and season box sets of TV shows is just way too expensive. I can download a 1.4GB movie in usually about 10 - 15 mins. The quality is brilliant. Paying $20 for a single film that you may not even like is just too expensive for most people if you like to watch a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Booticus View Post
    This is too good and deserves more then just a link.





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    I just downloaded a couple of movies and they said "For Your Consideration"

    so I assume I was given permission




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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    This is too good and deserves more then just a link.





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    While I agree with it, I can't take credit for it.

    Lord Booticus provided the link to it. I just posted the pix from the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjoe
    Here in the UK I always see these offers at the cinema (I think you call it a movie theatre) anyway, for 12.99 you can go to the cinema anytime you like and watch unlimited movies all for that price. I think this is great value for money and if I had a friend that liked going as often as me I would definitely do this. But I don't and I hate to go alone.
    . Atleast where I am most people do call it a Movie Theater...but 'Cinema' is also used.
    I rarely go to movies because they're too expensive...(last couple I've went to were all free pre-screenings, but thats been a couple years). That deal they have in your area doesn't seem too bad.

    I can download a 1.4GB movie in usually about 10 - 15 mins. The quality is brilliant. Paying $20 for a single film that you may not even like is just too expensive for most people if you like to watch a lot.
    WoW fast ... I wouldn't even attempt to download something that size, probably take a weeks worth of nights to get simply not worth it to me LOL...especially when a DVD thats a few years old can be had for around $5 *if* you wait for sales. ("black friday" being one of the best times to buy...but I believe thats also mainly a US thing?)

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    Soundtrack I will buy.

    8.99 for 32 tracks? :O

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    Downloading/copying is not theft.

    Quote Originally Posted by stacy View Post
    Thanks for taking money out of my pocket and making it very difficult for many of us to find jobs in an industry struggling with paying for your need to be an asshole.
    No money is being taken out of your pocket every time someone illegally downloads. If anything, some people who illegally download end up liking the product so much that they decide to start paying for it (for convenience, higher quality, etc.). Not many, but some.

    Exposure yields customers. What the industry needs to do is innovate ways to make paying for their content more appealing. The biggest problem is that people don't trust porn companies with their personal/financial information. Solve this problem, and sales will go up.

    Another thing you can do? Make better porn. Distinctive porn! Experiment! Dare I say it, become artists. You'll have to risk a train wreck if you want to create a masterpiece. Create the porn everyone has to see, and sales will go up.

    What isn't worth doing? Wasting time combating illegal downloading. You can't get rid of it.

    Innovate and profit.

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