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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    If I buy a movie, and then invite 15 people over to watch it and do this several times would I still be a pirate?

    Dozens of people got to watch it without paying for it.

    ... or if I go into a book store and just read the comics there without purchasing them, is that piracy?
    If you purchased the movie, then you aren't "copying" it if you play it and others watch. On the other hand, purchasing it doesn't allow "public performances" and inviting 15 strangers to watch, even without monetary gain, is probably illegal.

    Bookstores usually have coffee shops and chairs for customers to read. It isn't copying it if you read it. It also isn't distributing it. The bookstore probably has a license for allowing customers to read the material or some sort of rights.

    I know Barnes & Noble and Amazon will allow you to read the first 10 pages of a book for free if you sign-in, have an account with them.

    Personally, I think YouTube is the best advertising music has had since the radio. I often buy songs after hearing them for the first time on there. The links to purchase are usually right under the video or in it.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Oh my fuck, guys. I wasn't even making any moral commentary on downloading.

    I'm just trying to blackmail somebody so I can get some free shit.
    By all means carry on then! It will prompt some colorful posts from Refuji.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrock-JD View Post
    If you purchased the movie, then you aren't "copying" it if you play it and others watch. On the other hand, purchasing it doesn't allow "public performances" and inviting 15 strangers to watch, even without monetary gain, is probably illegal.
    Perhaps I'm dense. I just don't see much difference between inviting them over to watch it, or just giving them copies to watch it.

    I've borrowed movies from friends before. Still the same to me if I borrow their original, or they give me a copy.
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Well, I purchase music that I really like. Everything else I usually just stream. I download it if streaming is not available.
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Actually, yes, he hasn't. The movie is intact, and anyone who wishes to purchase it is free to do so.


    And before people start those absolutist rants about how it's illegal and that's that, maybe it is worth addressing the issue of movie companies being about ten years behind on the times. Piracy is not only a fact of life, it is virtually impossible to stop in the digital age. So instead of wasting resources fighting it, why not try to offer a better product than the one people are pirating?
    I totally agree with everything you said, and i never said anything that went against it.^
    (except, of course, the first sentence)
    But saying that it is copying and not stealing is a lazy argument....

    I agree with you even more so because fighting piracy has has privacy costs implied and i believe that protecting privacy is way more important than the lost profit.

    Just to clear things, my opinion:
    I think that CDs and DVDs are way too expensive, and that we shouldn't have to pay for something we might not enjoy at all, especially when it is so highly priced. Therefore, i only buy CDs or DVDs when i like the album or the movie enough. Nowadays i admit i don't buy them a lot, because i don't earn my own money yet, but as soon as i will, i will buy more of the albums/movie that i've enjoyed enough.
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kien View Post
    Oh ok. So since it's a gift, I can do what I want with it, right? Cause like, I'll convert it to an .mp3 file and play it on my computer on Winamp. Oh, I guess I've somehow turned into a criminal because I don't have to open youtube to listen to it.
    I know it comes off as lazy, but I'm going to quote this in reply:
    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Let me just throw in for consideration-- any well known song will have like, hundreds of postings of it on youtube. Many of them with individual users setting their own backdrop, scenery, video footage, fan tribute, or even just a blank screen with the lyrics in the video. None of those hits are going to the artist. So to me, the difference between "saving it for winamp" and "pulling up a youtube to listen to it", not paying money either way, is still paper thin.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    Perhaps I'm dense. I just don't see much difference between inviting them over to watch it, or just giving them copies to watch it.

    I've borrowed movies from friends before. Still the same to me if I borrow their original, or they give me a copy.
    I agree. (not that you're dense, but with your argument)

    Here is what I found on public performance law:

    The Law
    The Federal Copyright Act (Title 17 of the U.S. Code) governs how copyrighted materials, such as movies, may be used. Neither the rental nor the purchase of a copy of a copyrighted work carries with it the right to publicly exhibit the work. No additional license is required to privately view a movie or other copyrighted work with a few friends and family or in certain narrowly defined face-to-face teaching activities. However, bars, restaurants, private clubs, prisons, lodges, factories, summer camps, public libraries, daycare facilities, parks and recreation departments, churches and non-classroom use at schools and universities are all examples of situations where a public performance license must be obtained. This legal requirement applies regardless of whether an admission fee is charged, whether the institution or organization is commercial or non-profit, or whether a federal or state agency is involved.

    Legal Sanctions
    "Willful" infringement of these rules concerning public performances for commercial or financial gain is a federal crime carrying a maximum sentence of up to five years in jail and/or a $250,000 fine. Even inadvertent infringement is subject to substantial civil damages.


    It says "a few friends or family" that sounds a bit vague. The "or family" part bothers me. Does that mean any size family? or a few of the family?

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    btw: I read a court case years ago that our avatars and signature images aren't considered copyright infringement. They were ruled to be personal expression. Of course, they can't be too large and they can't be posted on a website/blog not as an avatar or siggy.
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrock-JD View Post
    I agree. (not that you're dense, but with your argument)

    Here is what I found on public performance law:

    The Law
    The Federal Copyright Act (Title 17 of the U.S. Code) governs how copyrighted materials, such as movies, may be used. Neither the rental nor the purchase of a copy of a copyrighted work carries with it the right to publicly exhibit the work. No additional license is required to privately view a movie or other copyrighted work with a few friends and family or in certain narrowly defined face-to-face teaching activities. However, bars, restaurants, private clubs, prisons, lodges, factories, summer camps, public libraries, daycare facilities, parks and recreation departments, churches and non-classroom use at schools and universities are all examples of situations where a public performance license must be obtained. This legal requirement applies regardless of whether an admission fee is charged, whether the institution or organization is commercial or non-profit, or whether a federal or state agency is involved.

    Legal Sanctions
    "Willful" infringement of these rules concerning public performances for commercial or financial gain is a federal crime carrying a maximum sentence of up to five years in jail and/or a $250,000 fine. Even inadvertent infringement is subject to substantial civil damages.


    It says "a few friends or family" that sounds a bit vague. The "or family" part bothers me. Does that mean any size family? or a few of the family?
    Gay bars around here used to have "events" where everyone would show up to watch "Will and Grace" or whatever, and most all sports bars has a TV going. I wonder how many of them have a performance license?
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    You just spent $1000 out of your own pocket to produce some good quality porn. Everything came from your head, and it is ultimately your baby. Hell, you might even be more proud of it than your real child. Now it's time to put it out there for the world to behold and hopefully recoup your personal financial loss and launch a career ultimately. Your porn is well received and word of mouth starts to get around. Everyone knows it is conviently found on your website, for a reasonable price. Hell, it is even in the teaser video where to buy, but 90 out of 100 people download it illegally. You can't afford to make anything new, and the $1000 you put into it is lost forever. You also have angry actors who expected to be recouped handsomly from the sale of this video, but you can't give them the money they want.
    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    95% of the events in your premise is speculation/fabricated. I'm revoking the Vulcan in your avatar. You're not very logical.
    It all sounds pretty logical to me. The only thing possibly illogical at all about it is the low dollar amount. I think nowadays it costs more than $1,000 to make a good porno video, all costs considered - and losing out on $1,000 (or, more likely, part of it) is a hurdle that can likely be overcome enough to pay whoever is owed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrock-JD View Post
    No additional license is required to privately view a movie or other copyrighted work with a few friends and family

    It says "a few friends or family" that sounds a bit vague. The "or family" part bothers me. Does that mean any size family? or a few of the family?
    Sometimes gay people are slangily referred to as "family." ("That looks like women's shoes that he's wearing. I think he is probably family.")

    That means that NO MATTER HOW MANY gay people are assembled, even if filling an entire football stadium, it violates no law because everybody there is "family" LOL
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    most all sports bars has a TV going. I wonder how many of them have a performance license?
    Here in .za we all have to own a tv licence in order to have a tv. Funds from that go towards offsetting the cost of producing local content for tv and radio. Businesses like restaurants, bars and clubs have to pay for a business tv licence, which costs much more than a normal tv licence and encompasses the potential for their hosting of events like the finals of the World Cup or anything which would be construed as boosting business from televised events.

    This additional business licence includes a portion to cover royalties for playing music or hosting live cover bands. So in short, yes, some bars do indeed have a performance licence.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    It all sounds pretty logical to me. The only thing possibly illogical at all about it is the low dollar amount. I think nowadays it costs more than $1,000 to make a good porno video, all costs considered - and losing out on $1,000 (or, more likely, part of it) is a hurdle that can likely be overcome enough to pay whoever is owed.


    Sometimes gay people are slangily referred to as "family." ("That looks like women's shoes that he's wearing. I think he is probably family.")

    That means that NO MATTER HOW MANY gay people are assembled, even if filling an entire football stadium, it violates no law because everybody there is "family" LOL
    I've seen some bad porn that was still good.

    yes, we are family
    wait, is that copyrighted?

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    The reason why piracy is so widespread is because of a horrendous lack of decent options by the movie / TV / music industry.

    Here in the UK I always see these offers at the cinema (I think you call it a movie theatre) anyway, for 12.99 you can go to the cinema anytime you like and watch unlimited movies all for that price. I think this is great value for money and if I had a friend that liked going as often as me I would definitely do this. But I don't and I hate to go alone.

    If there was an equivalent DVD option I would love to pay for this. The only choices we have here are stuff like Netflix but the stuff that comes out on that is just way way too old and I don't have the patience to wait a year or two after it comes out to watch something, so I pirate instead. Give me a decent option that can match the torrents and I would be the first to pay it.

    As for pc games I nearly always pirate them first and if I find I like them I will buy them, especially so I can play online.

    The individual prices of movies and season box sets of TV shows is just way too expensive. I can download a 1.4GB movie in usually about 10 - 15 mins. The quality is brilliant. Paying $20 for a single film that you may not even like is just too expensive for most people if you like to watch a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Booticus View Post
    This is too good and deserves more then just a link.





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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    I just downloaded a couple of movies and they said "For Your Consideration"

    so I assume I was given permission




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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    This is too good and deserves more then just a link.





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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    While I agree with it, I can't take credit for it.

    Lord Booticus provided the link to it. I just posted the pix from the link.
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benjoe
    Here in the UK I always see these offers at the cinema (I think you call it a movie theatre) anyway, for 12.99 you can go to the cinema anytime you like and watch unlimited movies all for that price. I think this is great value for money and if I had a friend that liked going as often as me I would definitely do this. But I don't and I hate to go alone.
    . Atleast where I am most people do call it a Movie Theater...but 'Cinema' is also used.
    I rarely go to movies because they're too expensive...(last couple I've went to were all free pre-screenings, but thats been a couple years). That deal they have in your area doesn't seem too bad.

    I can download a 1.4GB movie in usually about 10 - 15 mins. The quality is brilliant. Paying $20 for a single film that you may not even like is just too expensive for most people if you like to watch a lot.
    WoW fast ... I wouldn't even attempt to download something that size, probably take a weeks worth of nights to get simply not worth it to me LOL...especially when a DVD thats a few years old can be had for around $5 *if* you wait for sales. ("black friday" being one of the best times to buy...but I believe thats also mainly a US thing?)

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    No matter how teasingly low the apple is to plucking, how stealthily you can pluck it, or how wealthy the apple tree is, stealing from it is still wrong, and it is still a crime.

    Why shouldn't entertainment stars be worth millions? They have made something enriching for the whole dreary gray world that nobody else has ever made, and after all, public market forces are the ones that determine how much they are worth.
    As others have pointed out early in the thread, pirating is never the reason that a successful piece of intellectual property-- videogame, movie, or song-- succeeds or doesn't succeed, and that likewise, that a bad one that does poorly failed.

    There's even a debate as to whether people who do pirate heavily would have ever bought anything anyway, were pirating not available.

    Yup, it's still stealing.

    The concept that demonstrable harm was done, though, would require substantiation.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by csb999 View Post
    you are STEALING nothing ever . The word is COPYING . The whole point of shoplifting or theft is something must be taken nothing every is . Ever . The crime is infringing legal rights of an individual not removing an object . Not a single thing is ever reduced ever .
    semantics - potato, potato, tomato, tomato. Stealing is stealing - no matter how much dressing you put on it to make is sound innocent.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Harm in every case is not required.

    Stealing is a violation of public trust, without which society could not operate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes
    To define it as stealing, yes. But I never said it wasn't stealing.

    That's different from claiming people are harmed or that money failed to trade hands that otherwise would have.

    What cost has been incurred to the record label when I right click my mp3, hit "copy", and paste it into another directory?

    $0.00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    semantics - potato, potato, tomato, tomato. Stealing is stealing - no matter how much dressing you put on it to make is sound innocent.
    This statement only has any relevance if someone were arguing whether or not it's stealing, which no one is.

    This is like a discussion where people are trying to talk about "HOW is being gay bad?" and someone is just repeating "being gay is bad."

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Instead of this being a thread involving Stealing vs Copying, what if this was a thread about Kidnapping vs Cloning ?
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    with that said, i download music, movies, porn, and damn near everything that i can get my hands on the internet for free. who wouldn't? just got my hands on some hand to find porn that i'd have to go over on a torrent for and DAMNIT, i'm happy.

    Moderator comment: The first 25 posts were split from the 'Confessions' thread to create this one.

    I hate the fact that the person posting the original question (refujiunderground) gives no feedback on the questions posted....

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    I hate the fact that the person posting the original question (refujiunderground) gives no feedback on the questions posted....
    In fairness to him he never meant to start a thread discussion about it.... many confessions are hit-and-run, it was the mods who decided to split it out.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    This statement only has any relevance if someone were arguing whether or not it's stealing, which no one is.

    This is like a discussion where people are trying to talk about "HOW is being gay bad?" and someone is just repeating "being gay is bad."

    You are as far off topic as gold fish are off ducks...

    xxbuzzerx - read (really read and comprehend) before replying....

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    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    You are as far off topic as gold fish are off ducks...

    xxbuzzerx - read (really read and comprehend) before replying....
    Oh, I did. You said stealing is stealing no matter what.

    Which I pointed out-- no one disputed.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Oh, I did. You said stealing is stealing no matter what.

    Which I pointed out-- no one disputed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Stealing is stealing for sure. Pirating off the internet is not stealing. Glad we're all in agreement
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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    No matter how teasingly low the apple is to plucking, how stealthily you can pluck it, or how wealthy the apple tree is, stealing from it is still wrong, and it is still a crime.

    Why shouldn't entertainment stars be worth millions? They have made something enriching for the whole dreary gray world that nobody else has ever made, and after all, public market forces are the ones that determine how much they are worth.
    People are still gonna go to the movies and watch TV, those stars will still get paid. It's harder to sell music now, but it an artist sells his music to a commercial they can make money or they can make money with concerts. The biggest losers are the porn industry, they somehow they still manage to get by.
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    eeewww.....

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coward92 View Post
    I download everything I want to play with and if something is really good (and I'm looking at you MAss Effect first episode) I go and buy it in the store.
    Illegal downloads are called exactly that for a reason....

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    Illegal downloads are called exactly that for a reason....
    Doesn't make it theft. And also, if the industry isn't adapting to easy internet sharing services, then it's the industry's problem. There are many things they can do to counter piracy other than directly persecuting it, which simply does not work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Doesn't make it theft. And also, if the industry isn't adapting to easy internet sharing services, then it's the industry's problem. There are many things they can do to counter piracy other than directly persecuting it, which simply does not work.
    that same argument says: "If girls wear short dresses the they are asking to be raped..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Doesn't make it theft. And also, if the industry isn't adapting to easy internet sharing services, then it's the industry's problem. There are many things they can do to counter piracy other than directly persecuting it, which simply does not work.
    You are scarily wrong.....

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    I like to think of it as black market PR LOL

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    All I am saying is, piracy exists and can't be controlled. Also, apart from some very isolated cases, it does NOT harm anyone (unlike rape, what sort of retarded comparison is that?) and no product gets stolen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illgetbi View Post
    I'm curious to hear quasar's explanation of why he (they?) decided to split it out.
    He and KaraBulut both said, in teh thread, that it was supposed to be more of a confessional and not a thread where people were debating or getting into topics that should be their own threads. Kinda killed the discussion for a couple days.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    The RIAA Has Now Forced Google to Remove 10,000,000 Links...


    This is what the war between the music industry and Google now looks like. Because by law, Google doesn't have to remove anything from Search without a proper takedown notice. But they do have to act when the notice arrives, even if there are millions of them.

    See the new strategy? As of this morning, the RIAA has now sent a collective 10,000,000 takedown demands, for member labels Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group, and Sony Music Entertainment.

    This is the latest official DMCA takedown report from Google (updated January 31st).

    http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/perm.../20130204riaa/

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    Artists use their talents to create products for people to pay them. If you make a copy of their talent you're taking away from them what they're owed. Not to mention the countless producers, engineers and hourly workers who make a living assisting the artists.

    I've published a few books which are copyrighted protected. It's my publisher who's pissed at people copying the work to which they paid me handsomely. It's their profits they're protecting.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    All I am saying is, piracy exists and can't be controlled. Also, apart from some very isolated cases, it does NOT harm anyone (unlike rape, what sort of retarded comparison is that?) and no product gets stolen.
    You are joking, right?

    When you steal something, you end up with something you didn't pay for, and which wasn't given to you freely by someone who did pay for it and who has the right to give it to you.

    When you pirate something, you end up with... something you didn't pay for, and which wasn't given to you freely by someone who did pay for it and who has the right to give it to you.

    On the face of it, there is no difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    All I am saying is, piracy exists and can't be controlled. Also, apart from some very isolated cases, it does NOT harm anyone (unlike rape, what sort of retarded comparison is that?) and no product gets stolen.
    You claim to be a musician. If you one day make a living at it and record your music for sale, are you going to be cool with others pirating it instead of paying you for it?
    Everyone wants to be heard. No one wants to listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbeltninja View Post

    You are joking, right?

    When you steal something, you end up with something you didn't pay for, and which wasn't given to you freely by someone who did pay for it and who has the right to give it to you.

    When you pirate something, you end up with... something you didn't pay for, and which wasn't given to you freely by someone who did pay for it and who has the right to give it to you.

    On the face of it, there is no difference.

    QED, your Honour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post

    You claim to be a musician. If you one day make a living at it and record your music for sale, are you going to be cool with others pirating it instead of paying you for it?
    1. I've been making money with music for 10 years now, but I play on orchestras, so that doesn't apply, but...

    2. I wouldn't be "cool" with it - though it's easy to find a lot of people who ARE - but I'd recognize it as a part of the deal. Also, most people are actually willing to pay for a legal download if reasonably priced these days.
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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    am I the only one that thinks hollywood is fucked and the music industry?

    just asking




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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    It's just like listening to, and copying music off the radio.
    Actually, it should be a crime to charge for an MP3! You see the low quality crap they have on iTunes? What would you rather do? Pay for a 128 kbps bad re-recording, or download the original at 320 kbps for free? Maybe less people would download for free if iTunes offered MP3s that didn't sound like a crappy soundalike band on a Fisher-Price tape recorder.

    You know what brought this on? Stores that charge $20+ for a CD... their greed eventually lead to their demise.

    How about buying used CDs, records, etc? I guess they would consider that stealing too, since the money isn't going to the record companies.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    In the meantime I ONLY stream from Pandora or other music sites on the internet. At $20 a CD or low bitrate MP3 they can all kiss my ass.

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    Re: Am I the only guy that doesn't see anything wrong with illegal downloading?

    Quote Originally Posted by SaskGuy View Post
    Stores that charge $20+ for a CD... their greed eventually lead to their demise.

    How about buying used CDs, records, etc? I guess they would consider that stealing too, since the money isn't going to the record companies.
    I actually know somebody who thinks that people who sell used records or CD's in stores, music fairs, or on ebay, should all be prison. Because, after all, in his point of view, anybody selling used music is only doing so because somebody pirated their own copy of it so they can sell the hard copy. ALWAYS.

    Yes...if the seller didn't do the piracy directly, that seller is ALWAYS abetting and aiding criminal piracy activity.

    Yikes!!!!!!!

    He is dead wrong.
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