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    Quote Originally Posted by That70sJoe View Post
    They didn't have to listen to him just like other players didn't have to listen to (insert dominant) castaway.
    Oh I completely agree. Don't get me wrong, Boston Rob played brilliantly and earned every penny of his million. I just got bored that season because no one even tried to put up a fight. That girl he took to the finals with him was about as useless a castaway I've ever seen on this show.

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    Just finished watching survivor and have to say that I am so excited how the voting went tonight. I was laughing so hard at how Phillip and his followers were blind sided. Loved it.

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    I agree with Cochran. That was one of the best tribal councils I have ever seen and one that lifted my heart and spirits.

    They are doing way too many of those toss the ball challenges.

    Dawn's breakdowns were touching in the beginning when she lost her t---- and then tedious as she continued to get the camera time with her water falls. Brenda, good on you girl.

    Andrea's presence is way up front now.
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    Ok, that was a Survivor classic. Kudos to Malcolm for orchestrating such an entertaining tribal. So glad they got Phillip off, and in such an amusing way. I don't think Phillip is deserving to win the runner up money and glad the guys did not want to drag him to the final. For a moment before giving his second idol to Eddie, I was afraid his overconfidence was going to send him home with 2 idols (which would not be the first time in Survivor.) Unfortunately, he really has his work cut out more than ever. Desperately needs to keep finding more idols and winning immunity challenges. But hopefully He, Reynold, and Eddie somehow manage to break up the other alliance. It's rare to see so much eye candy this late in the game.

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    Hallelujah! Thank you Malcom. I hate Phillip. Too bad he couldn't have been voted off three weeks ago so he wouldn't be on the jury.

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    I haven't been a fan of Malcolm much this season -- or ever since he became a total douchebag at the end of last season -- but this is the first time he ever did anything that I thought was strategically stupid. Oh don't get me wrong, I always enjoy seeing a dominant alliance get bitchslapped and it was even better that asshole Philip got the boot, but why not keep the extra idol for yourself so you'd be safe another week?

    Then again the way they keep replanting idols on this show, Malcolm will probably find them both again, thereby eliminating the need for game essentials like winning immunity or you know, actually playing.

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    Have players always been allowed to privately huddle up during tribal and discuss how they should change their vote? I don't recall seeing that happening in Survivor before. It seems wrong. Private discussions during tribal should not be allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper View Post
    Oh I completely agree. Don't get me wrong, Boston Rob played brilliantly and earned every penny of his million. I just got bored that season because no one even tried to put up a fight. That girl he took to the finals with him was about as useless a castaway I've ever seen on this show.
    As a fan of the show myself, I get bored anytime they roll over like that. These players simply don't watch the show! If they did, they'd recognize red flags (e.g. dominant alliance members) right away and proceed accordingly.
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    I now realize that Phillip wanted to leave. He realized that his age was getting in the way for some of the challenges and someone from his group was going to have to get voted off, so he told his group to vote as they had planned so he would be the one to go.

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    I now realize that Phillip wanted to leave. He realized that his age was getting in the way for some of the challenges and someone from his group was going to have to get voted off, so he told his group to vote as they had planned so he would be the one to go.
    Yeah, and he threw that one challenge too.

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    JEFF PROBST: First off, some perspective… Any time Phillip says anything, anything at all, I’m interested. When he ups the stakes and declares something important or assigns a Stealth R Us name to another tribe mate, I immediately begin to zone out all other distractions... Mostly I just love it when Phillip says… or does… anything. I would like to thank Phillip for all he gave this season. There are some who think we featured him too much, some who wish he had shown more of him and still others who wish he was never on in the first place. I am firmly planted in the “love me some Phillip” camp — and I’m sorry to see him go. But boy does it open up a whole new game.
    OMFG. Somebody please contact Mark Burnett and make him give Jeff an intervention before he gets this show canceled.

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    I think we know now why The Jeff Probst Show is no more.

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    Probst can be a dick in a lot of ways but on the topic of castaways who make for good reality TV, I get where he and any producer is coming from. They like Phillip types (even if we're annoyed by them). Every network operates this way, not just CBS.
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    The point is, there's a type of crazy that people tune in for (Rachel on Big Brother) and a type of crazy they don't (Philip) and Probst is unable to make that distinction which is kind of lethal for a producer. Also, he's had lots of other ideas for Survivor and they're ALL bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper View Post
    I haven't been a fan of Malcolm much this season -- or ever since he became a total douchebag at the end of last season -- but this is the first time he ever did anything that I thought was strategically stupid. Oh don't get me wrong, I always enjoy seeing a dominant alliance get bitchslapped and it was even better that asshole Philip got the boot, but why not keep the extra idol for yourself so you'd be safe another week?

    Then again the way they keep replanting idols on this show, Malcolm will probably find them both again, thereby eliminating the need for game essentials like winning immunity or you know, actually playing.
    That's exactly what I thought when he played the Idol.
    It was awesome to see philipp go (finally) with this move. But Malcom could have stayed much longer

    - He would have 1 extra idol
    - he could've looked again for the one he played
    - He could still potentially win Immunity challenges
    - ANd eddie would've been gone, which means : 1 friend on the jury, and 1 threat out for the Immunity challenges.

    With that extra idol he could've easily been in the finals and problly win again. Now he doenst have any idol which is riskier IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekim23 View Post
    With that extra idol he could've easily been in the finals and problly win again.
    Win again? He didn't win before (he didn't even make it to the finals).

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    I still like Malcolm. I don't see what there is to dislike about him. Douchery. Didn't see anything to make me think he was a douche even in his season. I also loved that play that sent Phillip to Gitmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper View Post
    The point is, there's a type of crazy that people tune in for (Rachel on Big Brother) and a type of crazy they don't (Philip) and Probst is unable to make that distinction which is kind of lethal for a producer. Also, he's had lots of other ideas for Survivor and they're ALL bad.
    I'm not a fan of Probst's (ditto for Burnett) but in fairness, it isn't like it's any diff on Project Runway, Top Chef, ANTM, Idol, The Apprentice, Rupaul's Drag Race, etc. The producers are cheering on the train wrecks. At least on "Survivor" you have the chance to have some control over your destiny. On the aforementioned, you don't, hence the boring/listless ones going first and the Phillip types are given several passes even when they deserve to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by That70sJoe View Post
    it isn't like it's any diff on Project Runway, Top Chef, ANTM, Idol, The Apprentice, Rupaul's Drag Race, etc.

    Yes but...I only watch Survivor and Idol out of those shows, so I can only bitch about those two.

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    I've been reading alot of rumors that either Survivor 27 or 28 will be Favorites vs. Family. I really hope this is just a bad rumor. I really could not bring myself to watch a Hantz family reunion. Seriously. That is one shark that should never be jumped. Here's an idea, how about doing just a regular Survivor?

    But shooting for 27-28 does begin in May. Location has not been revealed yet. Seen rumors of Tasmania, but nothing that credible.

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    Even Russell Hantz was up in arms in protest over that idea on Twitter. I posted the screen caps of the tweets somewhere in this thread and it's fucking sad that even Russell Hantz might have more of a grip on the reality of this TV show than Executive Producer Jeffrey Probst.

    Sadly, I think the fact that the One World went over like a lead balloon with the casuals means that they will never try another all newbies season again as long as Jeff's delusional ass is at the helm. At best we can hope for a Philippines situation where there's a nice variety of lulzy characters and smart players to offset the returning player circle jerks. Also featuring an editing team that doesn't totally suck.
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    Since they're always going for lousy ideas these days, why not just to Celebrity Survivor with all the reality shows hosts playing for charity? It would be worth it to see Jeff lose immunity challenges and a spot in the finals against three chicks: Julie Chen, Heidi Klum and Ryan Seacrest.

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    If Malcolm only saved himself he would have had his alliance down to 2 people. His goal with saving Eddie was to pull in more people to his alliance so the 6-3 can split to 4-5 or something. This was actually his best move.

    Saving the other idol would have gotten him past next week, but then he would have been alone after that if Reynold didn't win immunity.

    This also increases his chances with the jury should be make it to the final 3, because if Eddy's on the jury he might vote for him, and a few other people would as well depending on how much they hated Phillip and how well he sells that move to the jury. It further showed who S-R-us would try to eliminate if the 3 guys weren't an option - Andrea and possibly will tempt her to flip as well. After all, it's not a final 7, it's a final 3 or 2.

    Erik shifted his vote to Phillip, so he could maybe align with the guys and make 6-3 a 5-4 split. They just then need to pull in one of the girls (Andrea/Sherri/Dawn) and they become the majority. This wouldn't be possible if Eddy was gone.

    An easier way to look at this is from a chess point of view. If your opponent pins a piece to your king, you either sacrifice the piece being pinned, or bring in another piece as well to guard the piece in question, the king, and at the same time threaten your opponent's piece. Players who don't think long term strategy will sacrifice the piece and save the king for 2 more moves, but players who think long term strategy will go for the best shot.

    You can't tell if this will pay off until next week, because generally when you're down so many pieces anything you do is a risk.

    Finally, THANK GOODNESS Phillip is GONE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper View Post
    Win again? He didn't win before (he didn't even make it to the finals).
    Sorrry didnt realize I wrote "again".
    Quote Originally Posted by BreakTheIce View Post
    If Malcolm only saved himself he would have had his alliance down to 2 people. His goal with saving Eddie was to pull in more people to his alliance so the 6-3 can split to 4-5 or something. This was actually his best move.

    Saving the other idol would have gotten him past next week, but then he would have been alone after that if Reynold didn't win immunity.
    yeah I can see this side of the strategy, but even if he would be alone, he would have 1 idole and multiple possibilities to win challenges.
    And even if he was totally on the bottom, and alone he could've pulled sthg coz one day or another the SRus will turn on each other. Being at the bottom isnt necessarily bad. Erinn in tocantins went all the way to F3 being on the outs the entire season. And malcom could've locked Eddie, Reynold and michael vote for the win. We'll see what happens next.

    And what about Dawn's edit ?? they're always talking about her previous season, how she got blindised, how she was voted out on day 28 etc...
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    I could have bought Dawn as having a winning edit until she threw a ridiculous temper tantrum and threatened to remove herself from the game just because she lost her RETAINER. That's the kind of psychotic brush stroke they always avoid when it comes to painting their winners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Pepper View Post
    Yes but...I only watch Survivor and Idol out of those shows, so I can only bitch about those two.
    Idol likes its Phillips-esque train wrecks, too. And, nope, not just Sanjaya. hahaha
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    I love the AMIGOS brothers
    what a memorable tribal council

    but Im afraid Malcolm Reynold and Eddie is going to be voted out one by one upcoming weeks
    I hope Andrea n Erik can join em

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    Malcolm of course is the biggest chump this season. He had two idols last week. Had he played for himself and not his frat bros he would've let Eddie get the boot last week and kept that extra idol for himself this week. That would at least buy him one more week in the game.

    Oh well. Farewell douchebags.

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    Currently hailing to Andrea for sparing me even more Zany Hidden Immunity Idol Antics from Malcolm by sitting on that stump and watching him for literally hours. Get it gurl.

    Also, it's amazing how Phillip leaves and now Erik and Brenda suddenly exist on this show. How unexpected.

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    Yeah I'd like to say Brenda was hiding under Philip's saggy ass, but that invokes an image too unbearable for me to linger over.

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    At least the 3 Amigos acknowledged that Cochran was a strategic threat. The Stealth alliance don't seem to recognize that. At all. Dawn was annoying. Yet again.
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    Dawn was annoying. Yet again.
    She's like Rachel Reilly to me now. And Brenda must've figured acting as irrationally weepy and chronically depressed as Dawn was the only way to get screen time.
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    Damn. Wanted Malcolm to go to the final 3. I have a feeling if both Eddie and Reynolds leave, this show might get a little boring. Especially in the eye candy department.

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    So that proved our point and how malcom did a strategical mistake last week. Well, I'm actually glad his cocky ass is out of this show.

    Brend got an edit, but all she was doin was cryin and complainin over and over... I mean they try to make her look like a fool. Whats the point ? she was problly the only "liked" favorite when the show began and she get no screen time, and the ones she has are full of crap.

    Anyway, im curious to see if andrea goes to look for the hidden idol next week coz she sure knows where it is now

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    So if Cochrane can drag Dawn and Sherri to the end, the win is his?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ontariobear View Post
    So if Cochrane can drag Dawn and Sherri to the end, the win is his?
    I don't think it matters. If Cochran continues his current game play, he can beat all the remaining players handily. They're such non-fans of the game they don't recognize it, hence yet another season of frontrunner ownage. Yawn.
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    Absolutely LOVED every season I've seen so far! I didn't really start until like 2 seasons ago with watching every episode online and since then been on a back-to-back season watching since Season 21. Then I didn't go from season 1 to 2, no, I went from 21 to 20, 20 to 19. I finished 15 this week so now it's 14.

    As for this current season, big BUMMER that my man Malcolm got voted out, I absolutely LOVE Andrea!

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    Malcolm....Noooooooooooooooo!

    Eyecandy is down to 3. (I'm counting Erik)

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    Does anyone else find the editing this season maddening, even by recent Survivor standards? I mean yes we've gotten used to them focusing on loons like Philip, Brandon and Dawn at the expense of players like Brenda, but even beyond that, they're now leaving out crucial bits of plot even from the narratives they choose to show.

    For example, when Malcolm flipped to the Bros a few weeks ago, he was still pretending to be part of Stealth. But when Corrine got the boot and they returned to camp, there was NO scene in which his ex-alliance members discussed the fact that he had flipped on them.

    Secondly, remember two weeks ago when Malcolm got Reynold to give Malcolm his idol at Tribal Council? That was a great move, ostensibly to save his own idol for another go-around, yet again when they returned to camp, there was no discussion among the Bros about that move, nor any explanation from Malcolm why he vote for Reynold (neither to them nor to the viewers), and no discussion about any of this with or among Stealth.

    Finally, when Malcolm produced his extra idol last week and gave it to Eddie, shouldn't Reynold have been like, "Hold the fuck up. If you had an extra idol this whole time 1) why am I only now hearing about it and 2) why did you ask me for my idol at TC last week?" Now Reynold and Eddie may be gullible morons that Malcom just sweet-talked his way out of that (I can believe that) but yet again there was no scene where we saw Malcolm doing that, nor any private scene with Malcolm explaining to us why he presumably tried to save his own idol two weeks ago by taking Reynold's idol, but then did a complete 180 and gave his extra idol up to Eddie the following week, nor any private scene from Reynold explaining how he felt about Malcolm taking his idol two weeks ago when he had his own idol the whole time.

    This season is just...UGH in terms of plot and motivations. Easily the worst editing I've ever seen on Survivor.
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    Well there was one great shot in this past episode where Malcolm is lying down, his shirt hiked pec high and his happy trail slipping into hiding in his shorts. Was a delicious moment for me.
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    I guess the editing serves your viewing priorities joesman.

    Not that I'm judging you. I mean, I don't like Reynold at all but I can't say these did nothing for me.



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    Eddie is the hottest of the Three Douches to me, personally. Dat ass <3

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    Eddie is the Ryan Lochte of the Three Amigos. But yes, that's quite a rump.







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    So Malcolm chose to not look for the idol at all instead of looking for it with a small risk Andrea would find it first? That makes no sense. 50% chance of finding the idol is better than 0%. He basically let Andrea defeat him and get him voted off. Didn't seem characteristic of someone who really wanted to win.

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    I am betting Eddie and Reynold have been blindly following Malcolm and did not question him about the idol because it saved their asses. Plus, they knew that it would be Malcolm who would be targeted first. However, it has all been highlighted with the thousand times Malcolm talked about how he was the only person who knew about his idol (minus when Corinne was around). I do no see how anyone thinks he is a smart player. I am sorry, but anyone who needs to use an idol or win immunity as a main strategy does not deserve to win. It seems like people did not notice that after he tells Corinne that he has Eddie, Reynold, and Erik that he walks up.to Eddie and asks if he would vote with him. And he never talked to Erik about that alliance. So, yeah. I have an alliance with people I never talked to. Hell, Erik had no clue what was going on.

    I feel like Brenda had a big edit to make people think she was going to be voted off. The whole episode was built in a way to make it not boring when Malcolm got voted out. I was happy for a non-exciting week. Malcolm and Reynold are idiots and bullies. They re overrated because people think they are hott. If you shut your eyes and just listened to them and thought out their plans, you would not like them. Honestly, there was only one time a group of three made it through an entire alliance by playing them all and not using an idol. If I was on a sinking ship, I would flip.to.the majority alliance (see Danni).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaystorm View Post
    I am sorry, but anyone who needs to use an idol or win immunity as a main strategy does not deserve to win.
    We need more people like you in Survivor/Big Brother threads.

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    So Malcolm chose to not look for the idol at all instead of looking for it with a small risk Andrea would find it first? That makes no sense.
    You too.

    In addition to your correct math, Malcolm giving Eddie his idol last week was also stupid when he could've kept it for a guaranteed free pass this week and if he'd found the other idol, he would've had an extra two weeks.
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    I have always been abit skeptical when idols make their ways back to the same people.

    Even if Malcolm would not have found it in this episode, he could have in the next. Andrea could not watch him 24/7.

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    What I really hate is that they re-plant the idol after it's used. It's one thing to have a couple of idols in the game to begin with, but allowing them to be reinserted into the game every time they're used just means that a player can keep using and re-finding them each week, thereby eliminating the need for gameplay or even for immunity challenge wins. It's stupid. If they insist on having idols, just have one or two per game and let that be it, regardless of whether they're found or used or not.
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    Well, the nice thing is that it'd be very hard for somebody to actually win in the end if they just idol their way to the finals. I don't think idol hunting is as pointlessly admired as even being an immunity challenge whore is on the scale of arbitrary non-social-related things for which juries reward players.

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    The thing I dont get about the last hiden idol is that ANdrea clearly understood malcom was diggin for the idol, so why didnt she ddid it too ? Or at least she could've told one of her alliance that that idol is there and they'll have to look for it before malcom finds it.

    I mean what is frustrating about all that is that (from a viewer's point of view) the main alliance is not really threatned at all by malcom, eddie or reynold. It's like they are all in wonderland. they're not really active. Nobody did anything at the auction to counter malcom. Brenda said that she was scared but we didnt see her doing anything. Only Dawn and andrea looked for the hidden idol last week but thats it.

    Now I think if Eddie and reynold are smart (which is not really the case) they could work they way up to the finals coz at this point ANdrea / cochran and dawn are the only ones to actually play the game. I cant see a F3 with them 3 in it

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