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    Re: Pastor nixed from Obama inaugural over anti-gay remarks

    Um, reading comprehension fail. My entire second paragraph is about that. Or is this your way of avoiding giving proof for things you know you can't prove?
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    Re: Pastor nixed from Obama inaugural over anti-gay remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    ... and yet no comment about what I said regarding the self-righteousness of some.
    Why should he comment when you won't pony up with some evidence for your assertions?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Pastor nixed from Obama inaugural over anti-gay remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    In regards to Obama -- honestly I have no idea what he believes.
    I have no idea what Bush 43 believes.
    I have no idea what Clinton believes.
    I have no idea what Bush 41 believes.
    I have no idea what Carter believes.

    Before 2009, this was a non-issue.

    I can only see his outward self and he has contradicted himself many times on what his personal belief system holds regarding gay rights and gun rights to name two. Most politicians, no matter who they are, I believe will lie or stretch their belief system to get elected.

    Sounds like Romney to me. I heard him contradict himself in the same sentence more than once.



    Pssst. Obama won the 2012 election; pass it on.

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    Re: Pastor nixed from Obama inaugural over anti-gay remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    And how is it that they were invited when their viewpoints on critical issues were not known?

    The big deal is that this is the second time in two inaugurations that this president has made the same mistake. The president's insensitivity the first time provoked a huge controversy.

    So, he did it again.
    No I'm not buying it. This is a big event and something like this is bound to happen. The PRseident doesn't approve every single thing that goes on at an inauguration. And he's not being insensitive. The guy was fired. End of story.

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    Re: Pastor nixed from Obama inaugural over anti-gay remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Some of the posters on CEP appear to want a very strict adherence to their definition of what gays should believe and should act. In some ways they are setting up strict rules that very much look like the extreme conservative religious Christians that they despise and may hate.
    And the proof of this is?

    In regards to Obama -- honestly I have no idea what he believes -- I can only see his outward self and he has contradicted himself many times on what his personal belief system holds regarding gay rights and gun rights to name two. Most politicians, no matter who they are, I believe will lie or stretch their belief system to get elected.

    I hope that answered your question.
    I like others have demanded proof that Obama is anti-gay. I have never seen any evidence offered. In addition, he as a person has the personal belief of equality. Something the GOP is rabidly against. I think some should check their allegiances before making unsupported statements like the above!

    Where did he contradict himself? Or is this something we need to take your word on?

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    Re: Pastor nixed from Obama inaugural over anti-gay remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    No I'm not buying it. This is a big event and something like this is bound to happen. The PRseident doesn't approve every single thing that goes on at an inauguration. And he's not being insensitive. The guy was fired. End of story.
    Um, the guy withdrew -- and he hasn't said why.

    Now we can all speculate.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Pastor nixed from Obama inaugural over anti-gay remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    You're missing the point.
    I think the point is that if you make a claim about Obama, substantiate it or expect people to completely ignore it and treat it as a falsehood.

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