I called it.

[chance1]

No Chance. What you are trying to do is the same thing you've done on many occasions before. Diminish and devalue an opponent's argument by attacking the person and in this case trying to build a case out of absolutely no evidence that I, as a Canadian, must hate America and post anti-American screeds. Just the same way that you have gone after every other poster at some time or another who is either a first generation immigrant or wannabe citizen or neighbour. It is just what you do and I imagine that your anger and jingoistic outrage is so second nature to you now that maybe you don't even realize that you do it. Although I think you do. Trying to isolate the 'outsider' is one of the classic tactics in any struggle. The Republicans mastered this over the last 20 years.

So I guarantee you and everyone else. You can comb through all the threads and posts and you won't find any 'Hate America' stuff from me.

But you seem to live in such a simplistic world that you confuse criticism of the American Right Wing or honest or observations from a different perspective as equivalent to hating America. Just like Maj seems to carry such a chip on his shoulder that he can't even abide the idea that some of us outside the Us probably know as much or more about what is going on to the south of us as the citizens of the US.




Or Springer, who is so incredibly closed off from the world outside of Arkansas, let alone the US, that his observations and understanding of global interconnectivity are simply jejune, to say the least.

Here's the thing. I'll bet that my appreciation and roots in the US go back as far and deep as yours.

I'll bet that I have as many close american friends and associates as you do.

I want The US to be the most successful democracy on earth. If it isn't, the entire world suffers.

But I love your flailing. I love Springer's inability to comprehend.

You are the whetstone that we sharpen our edges against.

hehe

rareboy as the "victim" I LOVE it - it's so ......... u know

so now I'm an attacker of foreigners - LOL - yes - foreigner hatred - next to the mantle of obama hater and racist - this is too good

actually kind sir ....... I concurred with Mister Majestic who said it so well about u and ur fellow Canadian Bankside who time after time tell Americans what's wrong with their country - our country - and why Canada is soooooo superior

and trust me when i tell u that this POV is common in CE+P - u are regarded as an unsufferable boor

this particular thread - the "i called it" - it brought that sentiment out - so u thank yourself for the WTF outrage here - you created it so time perhaps to put a lid on it - your call however

again as i explained earlier u and u alone have the power to reverse the negativity u project here upon america and americans with YOUR posting - but frankly if u can't come to grips with it - can't recognize it for what it is - well fixing will be problematic

and i LOVE the "whetstone" reference

as well as "i have as many close american friends and associates" as Jack does - associates ????

ESPN has what's called "instant classics" - this is the CE+P equivalent

it really is

as for "i called it" - i think the title should be "i missed it" or "i REALLY missed it"

something like that anyway

[xbuzzerx]

^^^
Arrogant. Elitist. Divisive.

This thread isn't about Romney's candidacy.

[rareboy]

hehe

rareboy as the "victim" I LOVE it - it's so ......... u know

so now I'm an attacker of foreigners - LOL - yes - foreigner hatred - next to the mantle of obama hater and racist - this is too good

actually kind sir ....... I concurred with Mister Majestic who said it so well about u and ur fellow Canadian Bankside who time after time tell Americans what's wrong with their country - our country - and why Canada is soooooo superior

and trust me when i tell u that this POV is common in CE+P - u are regarded as an unsufferable boor

this particular thread - the "i called it" - it brought that sentiment out - so u thank yourself for the WTF outrage here - you created it so time perhaps to put a lid on it - your call however

again as i explained earlier u and u alone have the power to reverse the negativity u project here upon america and americans with YOUR posting - but frankly if u can't come to grips with it - can't recognize it for what it is - well fixing will be problematic

and i LOVE the "whetstone" reference

as well as "i have as many close american friends and associates" as Jack does - associates ????

ESPN has what's called "instant classics" - this is the CE+P equivalent

it really is

as for "i called it" - i think the title should be "i missed it" or "i REALLY missed it"

something like that anyway

Actually Chance, I was directing the claim to you. Not Jack. I was referring to Jack...not addressing Jack. You didn't read this correctly. But then, that isn't unusual.

...and not even very good diversionary 'hey, look over there!!' tactics. You can't dispute what I've said because you know it isn't true.

And I'm sorry that you think I'm an insufferable boor. As far as personal insults go....meh.

boor
/bo͝or/
Noun
A rude, unmannerly person.
A clumsy person.

Synonyms
churl - lout - peasant - bumpkin - cad - chuff

Sorry you've come up empty handed.

[frankfrank]

I did read "the topic" and responded to it. I did not read the three pages in the thread. Not relevant, which is why I only quoted the original post. If you feel nobody should reply to the original post any more, then kindly ask the mods to lock this thread.

When you don't read the posts in the "flyover country" part of the thread, you miss things like rareboy admitting that he was wrong in his initial post.

ORIGINALLY QUOTED BY RAREBOY (POST #17 OF THIS THREAD) ...actually posted before Morning Joe.

And I am willing to take my original statement back.

It seems as though in the last 24 hours, with McChrystal doing the rounds for his book and Cuomo's speech that the discussion is being re-ignited in the mainstream as well as the niche media.


This is good.

Yes, he did retract. And on the other topic, about the two Canadians in here who "hate America," no I see it that they care deeply about America and that this nation continues to be successful.

There ARE some other people in here who would willfully destroy everything we have come to cherish as being American.

[Jack Springer]

No Chance. What you are trying to do is the same thing you've done on many occasions before. Diminish and devalue an opponent's argument by attacking the person and in this case trying to build a case out of absolutely no evidence that I, as a Canadian, must hate America and post anti-American screeds. Just the same way that you have gone after every other poster at some time or another who is either a first generation immigrant or wannabe citizen or neighbour. It is just what you do and I imagine that your anger and jingoistic outrage is so second nature to you now that maybe you don't even realize that you do it. Although I think you do. Trying to isolate the 'outsider' is one of the classic tactics in any struggle. The Republicans mastered this over the last 20 years.

So I guarantee you and everyone else. You can comb through all the threads and posts and you won't find any 'Hate America' stuff from me.

But you seem to live in such a simplistic world that you confuse criticism of the American Right Wing or honest or observations from a different perspective as equivalent to hating America. Just like Maj seems to carry such a chip on his shoulder that he can't even abide the idea that some of us outside the Us probably know as much or more about what is going on to the south of us as the citizens of the US.




Or Springer, who is so incredibly closed off from the world outside of Arkansas, let alone the US, that his observations and understanding of global interconnectivity are simply jejune, to say the least.

Here's the thing. I'll bet that my appreciation and roots in the US go back as far and deep as yours.

I'll bet that I have as many close american friends and associates as you do.

I want The US to be the most successful democracy on earth. If it isn't, the entire world suffers.

But I love your flailing. I love Springer's inability to comprehend.

You are the whetstone that we sharpen our edges against.

I don't live in Arkansas -- although there would be nothing wrong with that.

I expose my mind to all kinds of thought. I don't restrict my brain to only one line of thought. When was the last time you actually took the time to listen or read some critiques of the left.

BTW, I have lots of friends in the USA and around the world.

I also don't live in an igloo and chew on whale blubber (the stereotypes can go the other way too).

[rareboy]

Uh right. Like I don't read and listen to all the 'critiques' of the left. That would be it.

And of course, I know you live in the state of Missourah or Mizry as my friends in Jefferson City like to refer to it. My apologies for confusing you with someone from Arkansas.

But how did you get the pic of our summer house at the North Pole and how did you know what we were having for dinner tonight? I'm assuming then, that you are acknowledging the Canada's claim to the North Pole is sacrosanct.

http://www.travels.tl/2012/09/igloo-...forts-of-home/

and for that we thank you.....

BTW. If you've never slept naked in an igloo...you have been missing out.

[rareboy]

Odd, isn't it, that there is so little information or follow-through in the media with Biden's meetings this week.

Most of the buzz was on January 10th....the same day as the thread was started and by Friday it is almost like there are no stories coming out of the meetings at all.

But it looks as the recommendations might include:

- National gun tracking.

- More Mental health dollars

- Firing technology changes to weapons.

- Restrictions on magazine capacity

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...al-health-aid/

It also appears that IOFA and NRA may not be on the same page?

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/11...wasnt-all-bad/

with the NRA gearing up for a fight...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-for-a-flight/

We can probably expect them not to bring knives to this fight....

I'm also surprised that there hasn't been a lot more discussion on this board about how Obama could sidestep Congress and enact many provisions for more responsible and restricted access to firearms.

Even without action by Congress, Obama could issue orders to improve background checks on gun buyers, ban certain gun imports and bolster oversight of dealers. Other executive orders could improve information sharing among law enforcement authorities about illegal gun purchases, and maintain data on gun sales for longer periods.

Obama has said he believes most Americans support the reinstatement of a ban on the sale of military-style assault weapons, barring the sale of high-capacity ammunition clips, and a law requiring background checks on buyers before all gun purchases.

With all the other noise that Chance and Springer have been making about all of this...i am so surprised that they haven't been right on top of all of these developments and mooting them for discussion.

I'm looking forward to all the Sunday news shows today giving us more feedback and coverage of all of this.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=155&sid=6268204

[xbuzzerx]

And on the other topic, about the two Canadians in here who "hate America," no I see it that they care deeply about America and that this nation continues to be successful.

There ARE some other people in here who would willfully destroy everything we have come to cherish as being American.

Couldn't agree more... if we had more Americans like Rareboy we'd never have to sit around complaining anymore about how we know we're in the majority but we just couldn't get enough people to show up and vote.

[Spiff]

A thread develops from the OP as people post. Conversation changes and new information is presented. The OP in a forum thread is only a starting point, it's not a blog post that one can just comment on regardless of how many comments already exist. In this case, the thread has moved way past rareboy's initial mistake and your post is simply spam. The thread however is still viable, and there is a nice discussion going in it, so there is no need for it to be locked.

Wrong. If the discussion is not about the original topic, then everything else beyond that is technically considered off-topic. I am sure you have seen mods lock plenty of threads that have derailed off the original topic. Nobody is obligated to read through all of the pages of a derailed thread just to reply about the original topic. Have you nothing better to do than always playing traffic cop here?

[Jack Springer]

Odd, isn't it, that there is so little information or follow-through in the media with Biden's meetings this week.

Most of the buzz was on January 10th....the same day as the thread was started and by Friday it is almost like there are no stories coming out of the meetings at all.

But it looks as the recommendations might include:

- National gun tracking.

- More Mental health dollars

- Firing technology changes to weapons.

- Restrictions on magazine capacity

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...al-health-aid/

It also appears that IOFA and NRA may not be on the same page?

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/11...wasnt-all-bad/

with the NRA gearing up for a fight...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-for-a-flight/

We can probably expect them not to bring knives to this fight....

I'm also surprised that there hasn't been a lot more discussion on this board about how Obama could sidestep Congress and enact many provisions for more responsible and restricted access to firearms.



With all the other noise that Chance and Springer have been making about all of this...i am so surprised that they haven't been right on top of all of these developments and mooting them for discussion.

I'm looking forward to all the Sunday news shows today giving us more feedback and coverage of all of this.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=155&sid=6268204

No word yet who makes up Biden's Task Force -- he's had several people sit in from time to time -- but no mention of members.

Biden also said on Friday that he has no preconceived ideas for reform ... but will propose changes on Tuesday. Could any WH produce a document in that short of time?

Biden's monkey dance is merely shiny ball for people to look at while Obama puts his plan together .. there is no conversation.

[xbuzzerx]

Wrong. If the discussion is not about the original topic, then everything else beyond that is technically considered off-topic. I am sure you have seen mods lock plenty of threads that have derailed off the original topic. Nobody is obligated to read through all of the pages of a derailed thread just to reply about the original topic. Have you nothing better to do than always playing traffic cop here?

First off you're not a mod.

Second off if this thread went off topic it was people trying to imply the OP can't have a valid viewpoint on American issues because he isn't American-- an ad hominem attack at best-- and that's what dragged the thread off into this crap about "if you don't like America leave" and this stupid discussion about how many people threatened to move to Canada. It all spawned off a fallacy directed at the OP by people who didn't like his point.

[Rolyo85]

Wrong. If the discussion is not about the original topic, then everything else beyond that is technically considered off-topic. I am sure you have seen mods lock plenty of threads that have derailed off the original topic. Nobody is obligated to read through all of the pages of a derailed thread just to reply about the original topic. Have you nothing better to do than always playing traffic cop here?

My point was that it is moronic to go into the third page of a topic and call the OP out on a mistake that common sense tells us can't have been overlooked in those three pages. Also, your logic is completely faulty. Unless the topic is a "lexicon" style thread - "what are you listening to right now" or "when was the last time you jerked off, and where" type of stuff - it is always a conversation that evolves from the OP but leaves it behind to move on to other stuff. EVEN "On-topic" threads are like that. So to jump into the third page without having read the topic, and responding to the OP alone, makes you seem like a spammer. If you don't have the time to skim through three pages of posts - not even read, just skim - why even bother coming to JUB?

And this is not me being a traffic cop, I am just totally confused at this sort of behavior. You're in the wrong. You pointed something out that ten other people had pointed out in the first page, immediately after the OP - except you pointed it out days later. And yet you are arguing with me about how right you have been to do so. Can you even begin to imagine this situation in a real life conversation? Dafuq?

[JayHawk]

The coolest thing about this legislation is that there is a Democratic President and Senate and a VP leading the charge who has an almost encyclopedic grasp of the facts.

They will put out a massive bill that has no chance of passing in its entirety. However that will be the starting ground for negotiations with the terrorist republicans. In the end they themselves and NRA has been polled to agree with closing the 'gun-show' loop hole that allows internet and gun show purchases to occur with no check, the NRA wants desperately to blame mental health so that should be a no brainer on more funds, restricting magazine capes to reflect use should be a no brainer as well..... the other stuff would be nice to haves that will not pass but they are there so republicans can claim they have butchered the bad parts of the bill and then get behind the good portions.

All very good but necessary political theater.

[palbert]

I cannot find where this Thread is designated ON-TOPIC, leaving it to be free-wheeling. If the MODS observe something out of bounds they will step in (See Post 103).

[rareboy]

I very purposefully did not create an on-topic thread.

I have no problem seeing this thread go off in any direction anyone wants to take it.

The principal purpose of the thread was to provoke more discussion and to get the posters on this forum continuing to keep a discussion going. Some have. Some have tried to say the the discussion should be shut down for a variety of reasons.

But let us keep it going shall we?

[Rolyo85]

Lucky for all of us who hate Canadians telling us how to run our country!

...oh wait

[frankfrank]

XBUZZERX: (POST-QUOTE FUNCTION IS NOT WORKING AT ALL)
Second off if this thread went off topic it was people trying to imply the OP can't have a valid viewpoint on American issues because he isn't American-- an ad hominem attack at best-- and that's what dragged the thread off into this crap about "if you don't like America leave" and this stupid discussion about how many people threatened to move to Canada. It all spawned off a fallacy directed at the OP by people who didn't like his point.

I had thoughts of how nice if would be to move to Canada (or, a much better alternative, wishing I had been born Canadian and still lived there) as early as the late 1970's, long before it was "cool" to want to emigrate there.

Canada is right at the U. S. doorstep, as I mentioned - THOUSANDS of miles of shared frontier. I think there are plenty of people much farther removed - such as Brazilians, Polish, Australians, Senegalese, Koreans - who can and do have valid viewpoints and opinions about the United States.

JayHawk/Post #166:

They will put out a massive bill that has no chance of passing in its entirety. However that will be the starting ground for negotiations with the (terrorist) terrorists republicans.

Fixed it for you. It's TERRORISTS, the plural.

Or "terrorist Republicans" with the first word being an adjective. That works, too.

[chance1]

What nonsense that oozes from the 85

No one minds American criticism - it's what we do

Being anti American ALL THE TIME - and high and mighty about faux Canadian superiority

is a problem

that's all

"if u don't like america leave" - LOL

so to resubmit (again)

"I called it" is big headed bullshit

"i made a prediction and it came true" - LOL

yeah

guess what - my prediction that i'm blowing myself about .......... is actually false - insert game show buzzer

and guess what - it was ANOTHER anti american narrative

and one member called him on it - and others jumped in

and the OP has a long history of this bullshit

and appears to have a long future

thanks for listening

my guess is most canadians would thing the Op's anti american droning is bullshit

[medic1]

Good enough for me.

Me as well , takes courage to post such in an open-forum.................

[medic1]

Not at all. It isn't acceptable. It is a different type of crime from the indiscriminate killing of the type we saw in Sandy Hook, however.

Murder is murder
Gun crime is gun crime

[xbuzzerx]

No one minds American criticism - it's what we do

Being anti American ALL THE TIME - and high and mighty about faux Canadian superiority

You're the one calling it that. Many AMERICANS here don't feel it is "anti American." Certainly the yardstick of that isn't "having an opinion that doesn't fit Chance's", much as REpublicans have always tried to set the definition of who loves America by who fits their politics.

Talk about an actual point for once.

[rareboy]

Poor Chance.

[rareboy]

So. I notice that Chance still is making the whole conversation (convo) about trying to keep his anti'american and the '85' narrative alive and not about the overwhelming media coverage of the gun debate, what with Biden's report being handed in on Tuesday.

Did anyone watch the Sunday news shows?

What were they all saying about this? It must have been the principal topic of conversation I would think.

[medic1]

^^^

I like the USA. You like Canada.

Get over the Canadian superiority complex you have.

I dont think it is a complex Jack , the man is just pointing out what are very relevant facts .

[JB3]

Murder is murder
Gun crime is gun crime

Perhaps if you read what I posted instead of posting thoughtlessly, you would understand what I was actually saying.

[JayHawk]

So. I notice that Chance still is making the whole conversation (convo) about trying to keep his anti'american and the '85' narrative alive and not about the overwhelming media coverage of the gun debate, what with Biden's report being handed in on Tuesday.

Did anyone watch the Sunday news shows?

What were they all saying about this? It must have been the principal topic of conversation I would think.

Melissa Harris Perry dedicated most of her show to it on either Saturday or Sunday. (I forget which day I woke up to the morning talk shows and just let it wash over me for a while) One of her panelist was where i heard and agreed with the concept that they will throw the entire kitchen sink on the table and see what republicans object to.

My guess is the republican will reject everything with huge platitudes against restrictions on the second amendment. It will then take several weeks before any agreeing positions are sussed out from the republicans by the press. The sad part is they could actually take part in several bipartisan pieces that most folks agree on. Adding dollars to mental health funds and closing the so called 'gun show' loop hole so everyone making a purchase is screened for criminal or sanity issues that would normally preclude purchase.

[CowboyBob]

Perhaps if you read what I posted instead of posting thoughtlessly, you would understand what I was actually saying.

Could you be anymore condescending?

[medic1]

That and the fact that the shooter only wanted to shoot two specific individuals.

How do you know that as fact ?
Manage to get him on the phone did we ?.........................

[medic1]

Perhaps if you read what I posted instead of posting thoughtlessly, you would understand what I was actually saying.

Sorry , all i could here was Blah , Blah , Blah , Blah .
Having said that you have a peachy day now.........................

[medic1]

The two things personal responsibility and responsible people are the same thing.

Your post does not make any sense.

They are not the same thing ,end off .

[medic1]

Wrong. If the discussion is not about the original topic, then everything else beyond that is technically considered off-topic. I am sure you have seen mods lock plenty of threads that have derailed off the original topic. Nobody is obligated to read through all of the pages of a derailed thread just to reply about the original topic. Have you nothing better to do than always playing traffic cop here?

The whole point being 1 The MODs have not locked this thread , therefore the thread could not have been derailed , so why not read the Thread ?
It is a really simple question.

As for playing traffic cop , Rolyo85 any chance of just dropping in for a cuppa , and a couple of ciatations ?

[palbert]

It appears the gun legislation discussion continues.

http://news.yahoo.com/ny-seals-1st-s...074653716.html

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — New York lawmakers agreed to pass the toughest gun control law in the nation and the first since the Newtown, Conn., school shooting, calling for a stricter assault weapons ban and provisions to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill who make threats.

[JayHawk]

It appears the gun legislation discussion continues.

http://news.yahoo.com/ny-seals-1st-s...074653716.html

It appears that is all we are talking about.

[Jack Springer]

They are not the same thing ,end off .

Nonsense. What do you mean?

[medic1]

Nonsense. What do you mean?

Jack , try and put your synapses to use , you may find it a bit strange at fitrst but you will soon get used to it............