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    Australia is on Fire!

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    “From this national perspective, one might say this is the largest heat event in the country’s recorded history,” said David Jones, manager of climate monitoring prediction at the Bureau of Meteorology."
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    Re: Australia is on Fire!

    **2013 Edition.**

    As the climate changes, this is indeed becoming an annual threat. I assume this isn't impacting the north, and the large archipelago to the northwest of Australia and the island of New Guinea, etc.? I don't even remember hearing much about wildfires in Queensland, if they're happening there at all. (also, the map I've seen, seems to put places like Darwin far away from it - probably only the normal hot and wickedly humid.)

    Ohhhhhh...but there is no global warming, uh-huh. Not the mere denial of human involvement in it, but the denial that it even exists, which is being proven over and over to be happening.

    I hope that the number of lives affected remains minimal, but there's no guarantee of that.
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    I think I've heard of several fires over the past few years.
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    Re: Australia is on Fire!

    Thanks for the concern, guys. Here in Sydney we had the hottest day on record, ever, on Tuesday, peaking at 45 degrees C (113 F), which is pretty damn hot for a coastal city. It was still 37 deg C (99 F) at midnight Tuesday night.

    But the real bad stuff is happening in Central Australia. Our weather bureau has had to add new colours to it's temperature charts because we've never seen temps this high before - up to 57 deg C (135 F). Even far south in Tasmania, where it's traditionally much cooler than the rest of the country, more than 100 homes have been destroyed by bush fire.

    Thankfully, at this point, there has been very little human life lost, and here's hoping that's ONE trend that continues.

    Here's some statistics:


    The hottest average maximum temperature ever recorded across Australia – 40.33 degrees, was set on Monday surpassing the old record of 40.17 °C set in 1976. (Bureau of Meteorology)

    The number of consecutive days where the national average maximum daily temperature exceeded 39°C has also been broken this week—seven (7) days (between 2–8 January 2013), almost doubling the previous record of four (4) consecutive days in 1973, (BOM)

    According to the National Climate Data Centre, nine of the 10 hottest years on record have been since 2000 (the other is 1998).

    While temperatures vary on a local and regional scale, globally it has now been 27 years since the world experienced a month that was colder than average. "If you’re 27 or younger, you’ve never experienced a colder-than-average month" - Philip Bump, Grist, November 16, 2012.[/B]
    [B]The CSIRO has found Australian annual average daily maximum temperatures have steadily increased in the last hundred years, with most of the warming trend occurring since 1970.

    The Bushfire CRC (Cooperative Research Centre) says large areas of southern Australia, from the east coast to the west coast, face “above average fire potential” in the summer of 2012-13. According to the Climate Institute extreme fire danger days are expected to rise more than 15 per cent in south-eastern Australia.

    The last four months of 2012 - globally - were the hottest on record. (British Met Office) and 2012 was the hottest year the continental United States of America has ever recorded.("2012 Was the Hottest Year in U.S. History. And Yes - It's Climate Change", Bryan Walsh, TIME 8 January, 2013).

    The hot-dry trend is expected to continue, with the Climate Commission predicting large increases in the number of days over 35°C this century.

    Around the world, 2013 could be the hottest ever recorded by modern instrumentation, according to a recent study by Britain’s Met Office. If that turns out to be accurate, 2013 would surpass the previous record, held jointly by 2005 and 2010.

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    What I wonder is not about global warming but seeing the abject determination of many nations to not do anything for it and those that are simply provide lip service. So when are we going to start the global task of preparing for higher sea levels and higher temps?
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    Re: Australia is on Fire!

    I would have thought that Aussie is compared to Canada. Doesn't the South Pole get cold like the North?
    This shows you my ignorance of the world. I believe what you said about the temps and that is surprising. I mean 135F?
    I flipped the map and put it in more perspective. It doesn't look like it is as far south as Canada is north.
    Anyway, with temps like that I'm not surprised of the fires. We had unbearable heat last year and had fires all across Central Texas, destroying the "lost pine forest" in Bastrop.



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    Re: Australia is on Fire!

    What I don't hear mentioned much, and I think is the answer to WhiteEagle's conundrum, is the farthest from the sun (at aphelion) at the time of year that we call summer in this country.

    Earth Is Farthest From the Sun This Week - Science News ...
    The Earth will be farthest from the sun, at aphelion, on July 5. ... Earth's closest approach to the sun is called perihelion and occurs in early January.
    http://www.livescience.com/21386-ear...-from-sun-2012...
    I think that's why Antarctica is colder - because their winter happens when the sun is farther away. On the other hand, the best solar radiation they ever get in their summer is an angular, glancing blow from the sun's rays, against a world of ice, which mostly bounces it away. It would probably be different if it was a water location as the North Pole is, but Antarctica is a land mass which is not modified by flowing ocean currents underneath. I don't know what the difference would be.

    That also means it's summer in Australia when the Sun is closest to the earth - i.e. around right now.

    Makes one wonder what the Northern Hemisphere would be like if the reverse was true. Would 145 to 150 degrees in the Sahara, Death Valley, etc. be commonplace?
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    Re: Australia is on Fire!

    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I would have thought that Aussie is compared to Canada. Doesn't the South Pole get cold like the North?
    This shows you my ignorance of the world. I believe what you said about the temps and that is surprising. I mean 135F?
    I flipped the map and put it in more perspective. It doesn't look like it is as far south as Canada is north.
    Anyway, with temps like that I'm not surprised of the fires. We had unbearable heat last year and had fires all across Central Texas, destroying the "lost pine forest" in Bastrop.
    Just looked it up, Melbourne is only 37degrees south and Boston [where I live] is 42degrees North. When I was in Melbourne in their "dead of winter", I could wear jeans and a sweatshirt and be perfectly comfortable. Think the lowest it got there was 46F and the hottest was around 107F. In MA, we will have a few 90F+ days but almost never hit the 100s.

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    Correct! Australia lies roughly between 15 and 40 degrees South, so it's equivalent in the Northern Hemisphere is the southern US States and Mexico. The Tropic Of Cancer cuts through the middle of Mexico, the Tropic Of Capricorn cuts through the middle of Australia.
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    Wow. Ya learn something new every day. I would have thought you'd be further south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Just looked it up, Melbourne is only 37degrees south and Boston [where I live] is 42degrees North. When I was in Melbourne in their "dead of winter", I could wear jeans and a sweatshirt and be perfectly comfortable. Think the lowest it got there was 46F and the hottest was around 107F. In MA, we will have a few 90F+ days but almost never hit the 100s.
    That's what I was trying to find but, of course, the maps I googled didn't have those figures.
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    "Heat event", the man called it.

    Much hotter and just wearing glasses could start fires.

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    Sydney broke a new record today!

    We're at 45.7 degrees Celsius (114 deg F) so far this afternoon - and still rising. The previous hottest on record was 45.3.

    Bush fires continue to flare up in rural areas around Australia.

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    ^ Holy shit!

    That's miserable. Do most people have air conditioning in their houses?

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    Hot but dew point of 57 F is not so bad. Sometimes it gets to 80 F in Baltimore, and then you wonder why you didn't move to the Amazon for relief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    ^ Holy shit!

    That's miserable. Do most people have air conditioning in their houses?
    I do in my home office - which is where I am right now!

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    You poor Aussies. Hang in there.
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    I know this is not a humor thread at all ... but every time I see it pop up in the feed I get this fantastic nineties song in my head....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Hot but dew point of 57 F is not so bad. Sometimes it gets to 80 F in Baltimore, and then you wonder why you didn't move to the Amazon for relief.
    I hear that. It will almost never breach 100F in Boston but when you have those 90F+ days in the summer, the humidity is usually ~80%. We joke on those days because you sweat so much that you don't even have to pee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    I hear that. It will almost never breach 100F in Boston but when you have those 90F+ days in the summer, the humidity is usually ~80%. We joke on those days because you sweat so much that you don't even have to pee.
    Dew point is the best measure of oppressiveness. I would rather have a month of 100 degree days and 60% humidity than a week of 80 degree dew points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    Sydney broke a new record today!

    We're at 45.7 degrees Celsius (114 deg F) so far this afternoon - and still rising. …
    That was a scary day two months ago. So many leaves on most of the trees shrivelled and turned brown.

    I'm pleased to say that the rain since then has brought a wonderful regrowth. Only one of my Lilli-Pilli bushes hasn't yet recovered.
    Last edited by pat grimshaw; March 15th, 2013 at 07:47 PM.

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    Re: Australia is on Fire!

    It's called weather cycles -- not climate change. Climate change takes place over a long period of years -- not in 1 or 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It's called weather cycles -- not climate change. Climate change takes place over a long period of years -- not in 1 or 2 years.
    This is just denial. Climate change is happening and it's factually proven. The earth is getting warmer and this is exacerbated by irresponsible human activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It's called weather cycles -- not climate change. Climate change takes place over a long period of years -- not in 1 or 2 years.
    I had a good chuckle this past winter [it's technically still winter but w/e] with the media freaking out over snowstorms in New England. Sure last year was a dud with 9in the entire year. It is "atypical" to have such low numbers [average is about 45in of snow a year] but the probability is not zero. In 2011 we had close to 100in of snow and hardly anyone batted an eye at it.

    I do think the situation Australia is more serious than "weather cycles". You can drive through central Australia and see miles of low rock walls and fences where that was farm land a century or two ago but is now in fact desert. It isn't even a "dust bowl" like the US in the 1930s with over-farming. Goyder's Line proves that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    … The earth is getting warmer and this is exacerbated by irresponsible human activity.
    What positive action can be taken to lessen this irresponsible human activity?

    I don't drive gas-guzzling motor cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    What positive action can be taken to lessen this irresponsible human activity?

    I don't drive gas-guzzling motor cars
    Again taking what I said out of context. Bravo.

    I was talking about the whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    This is just denial. Climate change is happening and it's factually proven. The earth is getting warmer and this is exacerbated by irresponsible human activity.
    How did human activity cause the excessive heat in the USA in the 1930's? What that climate change or just weather?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It's called weather cycles -- not climate change. Climate change takes place over a long period of years -- not in 1 or 2 years.
    Weather cycles: exactly right. Climate scientists can clearly show the patterns of weather cycles like El Nino and La Nina in the northern hemisphere. They can't pick the temperature on a given day, but they can predict if a season is going to be hot or cold, or wet or dry, and then it goes back to normal or goes in the opposite direction. They can prove those cycles exist just like you're talking about.

    But the trouble is, going back to "normal" is not happening. "Normal" is getting hotter and hotter, so that in the long term (decades) we're losing the original normal and going up and up. The same climate scientists who can prove weather cycles are also able to show a warming and destabilising climate. If you believe them on weather, what makes you such an expert on climate that we should believe you instead of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    How did human activity cause the excessive heat in the USA in the 1930's? What that climate change or just weather?
    This isn't the 1930s. It's now and it's denial if one doesn't think human activity isn't exacerbating the problems. By the way, the world is getting much hotter than it was in the 1930s. Why the denial and trying to say "oh it's just the weather" when it's clearly not and has evidence showing it's climate change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87
    I would rather have a month of 100 degree days and 60% humidity than a week of 80 degree dew points.
    60% humidity .eek. yuck ... gotta get that number down to less than 20%


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    I'd take a day thats just above 100F (38C) over a -20F (-29C) night Anytime
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    Ugh. Less than 20 and it's a desert. My hands start cracking below 40%. Which is where I live.
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    LOL I saw that Australia was on Fire and thought something completely different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Ugh. Less than 20 and it's a desert. My hands start cracking below 40%. Which is where I live.
    You should move to the Gulf coast, you could steam in peace. Personally I'd rather sear, but then once you get up to 120f (I don't do funny furrin' commie mayshurin') it doesn't really matter anymore.

    100F-90% humidity is frikkin' torture. You get out of the shower (taken as cold as your tap water gets - which is called warm anywhere else) walk out your front door - turn around and get back into the shower to wash off the sweat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    This isn't the 1930s. It's now and it's denial if one doesn't think human activity isn't exacerbating the problems. By the way, the world is getting much hotter than it was in the 1930s. Why the denial and trying to say "oh it's just the weather" when it's clearly not and has evidence showing it's climate change?
    The weather in the USA in the past several years has been similar to the 1930's.

    Did we have climate change then too?

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    You'll notice that lots of Ex-Catholics have taken up the new Religion of Climate Change.

    They spread fear and use the word "denial" a lot.

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    Really where, precisely, would one notice such a thing?

    Who are you trying to smear? Ex Catholics? Scientists? Both? people who use the word "denial." What does being Ex-Catholic have to do with Climate Change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The weather in the USA in the past several years has been similar to the 1930's.

    Did we have climate change then too?
    Twist, distort, twist and distort some more. Climate change is fact. The earth is heating up more than it ever has in the past, including far greater than the 1930s. Nobody is talking about localized weather patterns, jack. But rather the BIGGER PICTURE. The refusal or inability to process information on the greater scale seems to be a problem for right wingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Really where, precisely, would one notice such a thing?

    Who are you trying to smear? Ex Catholics? Scientists? Both? people who use the word "denial." What does being Ex-Catholic have to do with Climate Change?
    The Catholics Church is losing members every year in my country with continuous pedo sex revelations. All those Lapsed Catholics are feeling lost and guilty so they've taken up secular beliefs like "Political Correctness" and "Climate Change".

    They take the odd fact and get all zealous and accuse others of "denying" their new religion. Their new religion has more zealotry and guilt-tripping than facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    The Catholics Church is losing members every year in my country with continuous pedo sex revelations. All those Lapsed Catholics are feeling lost and guilty so they've taken up secular beliefs like "Political Correctness" and "Climate Change".
    That's false, but thanks for sharing. I'm sure those statements are made on pure feeling rather than logic or evidence. There are certain standards in CE&P that don't exist in HT... don't suppose we should follow those?

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    Yeah I’m still laughing at that whole Climate Change ergo Ex-Catholic who abuses the word denial, thingy. What an odd choice of things to group together.


    I can see it, picture it, press opportunity, Climate Change scientists, Papal representatives, someone from Webster’s unabridged (Bankside I don’t want to hear any whining about Oxford)…

    Scientist: …so in conclusion the data clearly shows climate change – Seriously even Exxon-Mobil ( http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/safety_climate.aspx ) is no longer in denial – and that’s like Phillip Morris admitting that cigarette smoke in fact, does cause cancer. Questions?

    Reporter:…Mr. Scientist are you aware that you've used the word “denial” 93847585694 times in your report?

    Scientist:…I fail to see what that, has to do……

    Papal Legate Cardinal Nunzio del Gordo of Pisa: (rudely interrupting)...I PROTEST!!!! THIS MAN IS CLEARLY AN EX CATHOLIC!!! Probably Canadian to boot.

    Scientist:...I am not! I’m Episcopalian!!!

    Papal Legate Cardinal Nunzio del Gordo of Pisa:...AHA!!!! ALL EPISCOPALIANS ARE EX-CATHOLICS!!!! MWAH HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

    Reporter: Mr. Canadian Scientist are you aware that being an Ex-Catholic who abuses the word “denial” makes your data on climate change inherently unreliable?

    Canadian Episcopalian Scientist: Now wait a minute…



    Some source for that correlation would be nice. Not going to hold my breath though.
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    Re: Australia is on Fire!

    On a note as related to climate change as the use of the word denial - are Canadian Episcopalians still called Anglican?
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    Re: Australia is on Fire!

    I don't know about the statistics in the US but the great fall in the Catholics Church's numbers over here is in direct relation to the great surge of popularity in the secular belief of "Political Correctness".

    The church is losing it's grip on the minds of all their once-passive believers.

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    Even IF that premise has something behind it other than your imagination, it has fuck all to do with Scientists all over the fucking globe seeing the same damn thing.

    If you want to be a climate change denier go right ahead, but in the future you might want to base that on something less absurd.
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    ^ I listen to facts, not zealotry, shouting and abuse.

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    Well then, that's different. Please point us to those facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Yeah I’m still laughing at that whole Climate Change ergo Ex-Catholic who abuses the word denial, thingy. What an odd choice of things to group together.


    I can see it, picture it, press opportunity, Climate Change scientists, Papal representatives, someone from Webster’s unabridged (Bankside I don’t want to hear any whining about Oxford)…

    Scientist: …so in conclusion the data clearly shows climate change – Seriously even Exxon-Mobil ( http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/safety_climate.aspx ) is no longer in denial – and that’s like Phillip Morris admitting that cigarette smoke in fact, does cause cancer. Questions?

    Reporter:…Mr. Scientist are you aware that you've used the word “denial” 93847585694 times in your report?

    Scientist:…I fail to see what that, has to do……

    Papal Legate Cardinal Nunzio del Gordo of Pisa: (rudely interrupting)...I PROTEST!!!! THIS MAN IS CLEARLY AN EX CATHOLIC!!! Probably Canadian to boot.

    Scientist:...I am not! I’m Episcopalian!!!

    Papal Legate Cardinal Nunzio del Gordo of Pisa:...AHA!!!! ALL EPISCOPALIANS ARE EX-CATHOLICS!!!! MWAH HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

    Reporter: Mr. Canadian Scientist are you aware that being an Ex-Catholic who abuses the word “denial” makes your data on climate change inherently unreliable?

    Canadian Episcopalian Scientist: Now wait a minute…



    Some source for that correlation would be nice. Not going to hold my breath though.
    Webster's? I'm still trying to figure out what the hell you mean by 120f.

    BTW, you do know that Canada doesn't have episcopalians, right? They're really just anglicans anyway…

    Anyway clearly you have a bias to push climate change. Why do you want there to be climate change anyway? Probably to introduce socialism.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    … you have a bias to push climate change…
    Yes. Too many zealots are more interested in abusing other people and not too interested in taking personal responsibility.

    Look at posts #22 to #25

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I don't know about the statistics in the US but the great fall in the Catholics Church's numbers over here is in direct relation to the great surge of popularity in the secular belief of "Political Correctness".

    The church is losing it's grip on the minds of all their once-passive believers.
    Again we have standards on here, and I request some proof for this assertion that former Catholic Church members are advocating global warming. Other than that it's another bullshit claim.

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    Re: Australia is on Fire!

    I didn't say former Catholic Church members are advocating global warming. I said they're zealots who take up hardline causes without thinking too hard about it and like to impose it on to others.

    In this particular case I'm saying they're taking up a passionate, romantic cause (the destruction of the planet) and exaggerating the facts and using the religious phrase "denier" as though the scientific facts are a proven fait accompli and working themselves up into a frenzy of religious fervour and attacking the opposition— but not actually taking much personal responsibility about their use of non-biodegradables and gas-guzzling automobiles etc, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I didn't say former Catholic Church members are advocating global warming. I said they're zealots who take up hardline causes without thinking too hard about it and like to impose it on to others.
    Actually that was said exactly.

    All those Lapsed Catholics are feeling lost and guilty so they've taken up secular beliefs like "Political Correctness" and "Climate Change".

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...=1#post8769334

    Sorry man, but another failure on your part.

    In this particular case I'm saying they're taking up a passionate, romantic cause (the destruction of the planet) and exaggerating the facts and using the religious phrase "denier" as though the scientific facts are a proven fait accompli and working themselves up into a frenzy of religious fervour and attacking the opposition— but not actually taking much personal responsibility about their use of non-biodegradables and gas-guzzling automobiles etc, etc.
    No proof here again. Again, stop making claims on here that can't be backed up. We don't go by personal feelings on here... except for those on the political right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Webster's? I'm still trying to figure out what the hell you mean by 120f.

    BTW, you do know that Canada doesn't have episcopalians, right? They're really just anglicans anyway…

    Anyway clearly you have a bias to push climate change. Why do you want there to be climate change anyway? Probably to introduce socialism.
    Push Climate change? Socialism!!!!!! MY GOD MAN I'M AN AMERICAN!!! If you were here in my castle I'd shoot you with my Chinese assault rifle and beat you with my Webster's dictionary.
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