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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    #1 Does the fact that the laws in Qatar for corporal punishment differ from ours change their ability to run a news network

    #2 Do you have any reasonable proof that it does/has made Al Jazeera something we should fundamentally oppose having any airtime?
    Point...

    Tell ya what if Westboro Baptist and the KKK along with the (as Chuck Hagel calls it) "Jewish" Lobby can get air time then why not?

    I sure hope he gets into DoD. While I support Israel I don't like the fact they have been sockpuppeting our government for the last twenty years
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    ^ silly ......... you make it sound like our govt. - with repubs and dems alike as President and running the Senate and House

    is at Israel's beckon call ?

    for what reason?

    could it be that we realize just how important Israel is to us ? as an ally? as our sole and only real Middle East friend

    logic dictates it's not a one way thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Racist often...lol?!
    First of all Islam is not a race so being against a religion is not racist. If I said the same things about a primative Christian Junta no one would call me a racist. Further more I support authentic Arabian culture and not the Islamic mess that has been imposed on them. This is not a racial problem but a religious one. Further more I am an Arabian Pagan who worships the God's of Old Arabia. So you can take your racial accusations elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    ^ silly ......... you make it sound like our govt. - with repubs and dems alike as President and running the Senate and House

    is at Israel's beckon call ?

    for what reason?

    could it be that we realize just how important Israel is to us ? as an ally? as our sole and only real Middle East friend

    logic dictates it's not a one way thing
    It could also be the fact that our financial networks are so completely intertwined with Israel's and/or with people who fanatically support Zionist Israel.

    Kinda like how we will NEVER do anything serious to Saudi Arabia, regardless of their support of terrorism, regardless of the backwardness of their social progress or laws. Financially, we're in bed with them just as we are with Israel.

    Has everything to do with money, nothing to do with "we need them." Israel needs us more than we need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    First of all Islam is not a race so being against a religion is not racist. If I said the same things about a primative Christian Junta no one would call me a racist. Further more I support authentic Arabian culture and not the Islamic mess that has been imposed on them. This is not a racial problem but a religious one. Further more I am an Arabian Pagan who worships the God's of Old Arabia. So you can take your racial accusations elsewhere.
    But we're saying that you opposing Al Jazeera because it comes from a Middle Eastern country on the basis that "Islam is bad" is, at best, a huge stereotype. I don't see how what you are saying is ANY different from saying gay people should be barred from being teachers or scout troop leaders because kids might get molested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    But we're saying that you opposing Al Jazeera because it comes from a Middle Eastern country on the basis that "Islam is bad" is, at best, a huge stereotype. I don't see how what you are saying is ANY different from saying gay people should be barred from being teachers or scout troop leaders because kids might get molested.
    The fact that Islam is bad is not a stereotype but is a fact. Islam openly calls for the abuse and murder of gays as well as many other groups. Homosexuality however is an inborn biological orientation. It is not a ideology like Islam and in fact gays can be of many ideologies. However Islam is an ideology which is crystal clear about many things. Death for homosexuals is enshrined in Islam so those thatd defend Islam are defending this practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    The fact that Islam is bad is not a stereotype but is a fact. Islam openly calls for the abuse and murder of gays as well as many other groups. Homosexuality however is an inborn biological orientation. It is not a ideology like Islam and in fact gays can be of many ideologies. However Islam is an ideology which is crystal clear about many things. Death for homosexuals is enshrined in Islam so those thatd defend Islam are defending this practice.
    The fact that you're saying a professional business from the middle eastern world by default must be judged as being Muslim and having a Muslim agenda is what you are stereotyping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Not all Muslims call for that, and Islam itself doesn't call for that. Certain imams and religious preachers call for it. People can take religion and abuse it... for centuries they did that with Christianity to justify the murder of a great deal of people.

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    Not all Muslims call for that, and Islam itself doesn't call for that. Certain imams and religious preachers call for it. People can take religion and abuse it... for centuries they did that with Christianity to justify the murder of a great deal of people.
    Islam does call for the murder of homosexuals as shown here.
    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet cursed effeminate men and those women who assume the similitude (manners) of men. He also said, "Turn them out of your houses." He turned out such-and-such person out, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such person.

    Sahih Bukhari 8:82:820

    Narated By Abdullah ibn Abbas : The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.

    Abu Dawud 38:4447

    Narated By Abdullah ibn Abbas : If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.

    Abu Dawud 38:4448

    The fact that you think that islam has no death penalty for homosexuality shows how ignorant of Islam you are. In the Quran the city of Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuals. Death to homosexuals is enshrined in Islam.

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    This isn't a debate about Islam. This is you claiming that any business from that entire region of the world should be kept out because of Islam. Talk about that.

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    Re: Al Jazeera Buys Current TV

    Joy Behar (she hosts a show on Current TV) says she's learning Farsi

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...-your-new-boss

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Farsi is a language in Iran, not Qatar. Newbusters is a pile of rubbish... I can't believe I bothered reading the comments under that joke of an article.
    I was thinking the same thing... it's a Persian language and has nothing to do with Al Jazeera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Farsi is a language in Iran, not Qatar. Newbusters is a pile of rubbish... I can't believe I bothered reading the comments under that joke of an article.
    it's a joke

    jay leno is a comedian

    joy behar is a comedienne

    do u understand ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    it's a joke

    jay leno is a comedian

    joy behar is a comedienne

    do u understand ?
    Jay Leno is hardly a comedian. In fact, there is a huge shit storm going around that if it weren't for his writers feeding him, he would be crap. Reckon this is true for many late night talk shows but some host/hostesses give more credit to their writers than others. This exposure was due to many of his writers walking off after demanding a pay raise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Jay Leno is hardly a comedian. In fact, there is a huge shit storm going around that if it weren't for his writers feeding him, he would be crap. Reckon this is true for many late night talk shows but some host/hostesses give more credit to their writers than others. This exposure was due to many of his writers walking off after demanding a pay raise.
    i wasn't debating his comedic skills - only that he is one - he does stand up

    i was debating GC's ability to know the difference between a serious convo and one that is not

    he failed

    the jury is out on you

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    i wasn't debating his comedic skills - only that he is one - he does stand up

    i was debating GC's ability to know the difference between a serious convo and one that is not

    he failed

    the jury is out on you
    Republican humor is never very funny. Like when George W Bush made the "joke" about searching under his dinner table for weapons of mass destruction at a fundraiser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Christianity if interpreted in a strange way calls fort he death penalty of homosexuals too. Religious verses have been misinterpreted more times than one can count. I see more faux outrage here about Islam than Christianity or other religions. Either way, Al Jazeera isn't Muslim biased, and this isn't a discussion about Islam.
    It is not interpreted in a "strange" way it is interpreted for what it says. How many ways can you intepret Narated By Abdullah ibn Abbas : The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.

    Further more Christianity and Judaism as well call for the death penalty for homosexuals which is why they are evil religions. These verses aren't being mistranslated. They are being read as they are, it is merely Liberals like you who do not wish to see this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    First of all Islam is not a race so being against a religion is not racist. If I said the same things about a primative Christian Junta no one would call me a racist. Further more I support authentic Arabian culture and not the Islamic mess that has been imposed on them. This is not a racial problem but a religious one. Further more I am an Arabian Pagan who worships the God's of Old Arabia. So you can take your racial accusations elsewhere.
    So you pray to a black rock, too?

    From what you've said on this board, I doubt you "worship the God's of Old Arabia" -- the evidence is that you pick and choose and make up your own religion as you go along.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    And Islam doesn't mandate terrorism any more than Christianity. The IRA, ETA or the LRA anyone?
    There's a massive difference: Islam's founder was himself a terrorist. Christianity's founder was basically a pacifist.

    So in one case, terrorists are following their founder's example; in the other, they're spitting in His face.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    The fact that Islam is bad is not a stereotype but is a fact. Islam openly calls for the abuse and murder of gays as well as many other groups. Homosexuality however is an inborn biological orientation. It is not a ideology like Islam and in fact gays can be of many ideologies. However Islam is an ideology which is crystal clear about many things. Death for homosexuals is enshrined in Islam so those thatd defend Islam are defending this practice.
    Please provide citations from the Qu'ran.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    Islam does call for the murder of homosexuals as shown here.
    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet cursed effeminate men and those women who assume the similitude (manners) of men. He also said, "Turn them out of your houses." He turned out such-and-such person out, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such person.

    Sahih Bukhari 8:82:820

    Narated By Abdullah ibn Abbas : The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.

    Abu Dawud 38:4447

    Narated By Abdullah ibn Abbas : If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.

    Abu Dawud 38:4448

    The fact that you think that islam has no death penalty for homosexuality shows how ignorant of Islam you are. In the Quran the city of Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuals. Death to homosexuals is enshrined in Islam.
    Those are not Islamic teachings, but are the personal opinions of individuals.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    In light of alot of the posts above (don't want to quote...too many)...I want to share a letter from a poet whose work I love....I hope that it gives a different perspective. I am not a fan of bigotry or racial profiling...people are individuals and should be treated as such...period.

    Letter from Naomi Shihab Nye, Arab-American Poet:
    To Any Would-Be Terrorists

    I am sorry I have to call you that, but I don't know how else to get your attention. I hate that word. Do you know how hard some of us have worked to get rid of that word, to deny its instant connection to the Middle East? And now look. Look what extra work we have. Not only did your colleagues kill thousands of innocent, international people in those buildings and scar their families forever, they wounded a huge community of people in the Middle East, in the United States and all over the world. If that's what they wanted to do, please know the mission was a terrible success, and you can stop now.

    Because I feel a little closer to you than many Americans could possibly feel, or ever want to feel, I insist that you listen to me. Sit down and listen. I know what kinds of foods you like. I would feed them to you if you were right here, because it is very very important that you listen. I am humble in my country's pain and I am furious.

    My Palestinian father became a refugee in 1948. He came to the United States as a college student. He is 74 years old now and still homesick. He has planted fig trees. He has invited all the Ethiopians in his neighborhood to fill their little paper sacks with his figs. He has written columns and stories saying the Arabs are not terrorists, he has worked all his life to defy that word. Arabs are businessmen and students and kind neighbors. There is no one like him and there are thousands like him - gentle Arab daddies who make everyone laugh around the dinner table, who have a hard time with headlines, who stand outside in the evenings with their hands in their pockets staring toward the far horizon.

    I am sorry if you did not have a father like that. I wish everyone could have a father like that.


    ...MORE....Link

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    It's absolutely misinterpreted. People twist things all the time for their own agenda. That's how it is in any religion.

    Liberals like me? I am an atheist and I see things as clear as day. I won't engage in xenophobic and downright racist attacks either. Liberals... another fucking word people toss around like nothing. Please don't tell me what I can see or not. I can do the talking for myself.
    So you think a verse in the Hadith saying that if anyone does as the people of Lut do IE homosexuality "Kil the one who does it and the one who is being done." Is some how misinterpreted. Tell me what hidden meaning is there other then what it clearly says and what it has universally been agreed upon by all major schools of Islamic thought. It is you who are choosing to twist the meaning of this clear verse in order to make Islam more peace loving and friendly. So I guess if your garden variety fascist made this same quote Mohammad did you would openly decry them. However when Mohammad basically says kill gays you think the verse means something different then what it says. It is you who is misinterpreting it by trying to twist it to make it some how gay friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    So you pray to a black rock, too?

    From what you've said on this board, I doubt you "worship the God's of Old Arabia" -- the evidence is that you pick and choose and make up your own religion as you go along.
    The Black Rock in question represents our Gods. It is not however our God. You see this is an idea propagated by Abrahamics. IE that people who use idols in worship actually worship the idols when in reality we worship the Gods who the idols represent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Those are not Islamic teachings, but are the personal opinions of individuals.
    Those are Islamic teachings. These are Sahih narrations from the Hadith AKA the wo
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Please provide citations from the Qu'ran.
    (We also sent) Lut (as a messenger): behold, He said to his people, "Do ye do what is shameful though ye see (its iniquity)? Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! But his people gave no other answer but this: they said, "Drive out the followers of Lut from your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" Then We saved him and his household save his wife; We destined her to be of those who stayed behind. And We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)!

    Qur'an 27:54

    The Quran has Allah destroying Sodom because it had homosexuals. It also unscientifically says that the people of Lut were the first to have homosexuals. When science shows that homosexuals have been in all cultures and all species before the imaginary people of Lut.rds of Mohammad himself. Which in Islam the Hadith is second in authority to the Quran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Except Fox News does have contributors from the Democrat party & often interviews people who are very pro-gay. Margaret Hoover is a conservative Republican and is very pro-gay & supports gay marriage.
    So...MSNBC has had Sick RANT-orum (sick rant-mouth) RICK SANTORUM on their channel before, too.

    MSNBC heathens are anti-gay and hate us and they're going to hell, too.

    Run for your life!!!!!!!!


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    Fox News & the Republican Party are tolerant towards gays.
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    Can we not respond to crazy bloodthirsty people who turn every conversation into weird racist xenophobic anti-Islam rants?
    That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
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    I'm just waiting for it to be realized the discussion is NOT about Islam, it's about whether or not any business from the Middle East should be viewed as a "muslim" effort and opposed on that basis.

    My answer obviously is no but if someone feels the answer is yes they should substantiate how/why it should be viewed that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Can we not respond to crazy bloodthirsty people who turn every conversation into weird racist xenophobic anti-Islam rants?


    That's what I am thinking troll is as troll does. (Think forest gump) Just ignore it and it will slink off under a rock somewhere.

    I will just say I am happy beyond all levels of happiness that a different voice is entering the fray for other Americans. Hell I have been reading it and other sources for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    ^ silly ......... you make it sound like our govt. - with repubs and dems alike as President and running the Senate and House

    is at Israel's beckon call ?

    for what reason?

    could it be that we realize just how important Israel is to us ? as an ally? as our sole and only real Middle East friend

    logic dictates it's not a one way thing
    They are at Israels 'beckon call'. name outspoken leadership of either party that extols Israel as another democratic nation but then thinks we should be a strong ally in finding a peaceful solution. Israel is a weapons, or was a weapons test bed for the American military. That was a plus. Israel is also a very good example in a region surrounded by backwards societies. Yet those backwards societies we must support to live the way they desire.

    Consider this, without US obstruction Israel would have been forced to not have settlements where they invade lands they agreed to give to Palestine. If they were forced to not have settlements then the opposition would have no other reason to continue hostilities.

    Now I am no fool. Palestine is not the reason that there is so much fighting, antisemitism is the reason for the violence. However if settlements weren't an issue then it would be a cake walk to get the world to condemn the rest for being antisemites.

    Yet with America standing in the breech of any of that so we can test bed our weapons and ostensibly have a foothold of democracy in the middle east.

    Still if you remember the election BOTH our candidates were bending over backwards to see who could both suck and swallow the Jewish lobby at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    ^ silly ......... you make it sound like our govt. - with repubs and dems alike as President and running the Senate and House

    is at Israel's beckon beck and call ?

    for what reason?

    could it be that we realize just how important Israel is to us ? as an ally? as our sole and only real Middle East friend

    logic dictates it's not a one way thing
    There.

    Fixed it for you.

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    (We also sent) Lut (as a messenger): behold, He said to his people, "Do ye do what is shameful though ye see (its iniquity)? Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! But his people gave no other answer but this: they said, "Drive out the followers of Lut from your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" Then We saved him and his household save his wife; We destined her to be of those who stayed behind. And We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)!

    Qur'an 27:54

    The Quran has Allah destroying Sodom because it had homosexuals. It also unscientifically says that the people of Lut were the first to have homosexuals. When science shows that homosexuals have been in all cultures and all species before the imaginary people of Lut.rds of Mohammad himself. Which in Islam the Hadith is second in authority to the Quran.
    So the Quran teaches that we humans should leave the fate of homosexuals to God, Who will deal with them in His way.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    I'm just waiting for it to be realized the discussion is NOT about Islam, it's about whether or not any business from the Middle East should be viewed as a "muslim" effort and opposed on that basis.
    Well, of course. After all, everyone knows that all businesses in California are nests of ecofreak liberals, and all business from Georgia are batches of redneck Bible-throwing imbeciles, and.....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    They are at Israels 'beckon call'. name outspoken leadership of either party that extols Israel as another democratic nation but then thinks we should be a strong ally in finding a peaceful solution. Israel is a weapons, or was a weapons test bed for the American military. That was a plus. Israel is also a very good example in a region surrounded by backwards societies. Yet those backwards societies we must support to live the way they desire.

    Consider this, without US obstruction Israel would have been forced to not have settlements where they invade lands they agreed to give to Palestine. If they were forced to not have settlements then the opposition would have no other reason to continue hostilities.

    Now I am no fool. Palestine is not the reason that there is so much fighting, antisemitism is the reason for the violence. However if settlements weren't an issue then it would be a cake walk to get the world to condemn the rest for being antisemites.

    Yet with America standing in the breech of any of that so we can test bed our weapons and ostensibly have a foothold of democracy in the middle east.

    Still if you remember the election BOTH our candidates were bending over backwards to see who could both suck and swallow the Jewish lobby at the same time.
    The interesting thing is that if you look at the record, Republican administrations both let Israel do more things to increase hostility and then force them to do things against their own security, while Democrats in the White House have worked with Israel and sought peace.

    Now, how would Al-Jazeera report that?



    p.s. -- "beckon" and "beck" actually have the same root, but "beckon" isn't at all the same as "beck and".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    So the Quran teaches that we humans should leave the fate of homosexuals to God, Who will deal with them in His way.
    Did you ignore the Hadith which I quoted that was Mohammad's own words saying that homosexuals should be killed no matter if they are the top or bottom. Islam does not just encompass the Quran but the Hadith as well.

    Besides either way the idea that being gay is still evil and that god will destroy gays is still an evil concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The interesting thing is that if you look at the record, Republican administrations both let Israel do more things to increase hostility and then force them to do things against their own security, while Democrats in the White House have worked with Israel and sought peace.

    Now, how would Al-Jazeera report that?



    p.s. -- "beckon" and "beck" actually have the same root, but "beckon" isn't at all the same as "beck and".
    Yeah, it's right up there when people say "try and" instead of "try to".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The interesting thing is that if you look at the record, Republican administrations both let Israel do more things to increase hostility and then force them to do things against their own security, while Democrats in the White House have worked with Israel and sought peace.

    Now, how would Al-Jazeera report that?



    p.s. -- "beckon" and "beck" actually have the same root, but "beckon" isn't at all the same as "beck and".
    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Yeah, it's right up there when people say "try and" instead of "try to".
    While I am certainly less than perfect when it comes to grammar and typing, I was quoting Chance. If you will notice my parenthetical notation.

    Israel will still have a large degree of control on how our government reacts BUT they are losing their shiny luster. It is a good thing to because without us they could find a peace solution. Yet without us they also stand just as equal a chance to be annihilated.

    Pretty shitty either way. However we could help them a lot more by not being blind to their sins.

    On Al Jazeera TV... I really have no fucking clue what them broadcasting in America has to do with Israel except for one poster who frames hate around religion. By some folks accounting we have tortured and illegally imprisoned our enemies for going on eleven years... so does our news being broadcast worldwide change a fucking thing?

    Or how about this:

    The network's stated objective is "to give voice to untold stories, promote debate, and challenge established perceptions."
    So if we believe in democracy and in folks having a voice then why not add new voices? How can that make us worse?

    If you are in the right then what exactly are you afraid of people hearing?
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    There.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    Did you ignore the Hadith which I quoted that was Mohammad's own words saying that homosexuals should be killed no matter if they are the top or bottom. Islam does not just encompass the Quran but the Hadith as well.

    Besides either way the idea that being gay is still evil and that god will destroy gays is still an evil concept.
    A hadith is someone's claim about what Mohammed said, nothing more. Many Islamic scholars note that no companion of Mohammed reported any such thing.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Albert Arnold Gore Jr. says Bye, Bye to Current TV and Hello to $70-million smackers...

    It’s amazing how Current TV began picking up new shows in 2012 and now Albert is walking away with his PHAT share of the pot ...It's hard to believe Current TV is worth $500-Million and that any Country would even think about paying that much...… Gore woooed my Joy Behar to tackle politics and now she’ll have a 2 failed Primetime shows under her belt…Thanks for the heads-up Al.....

    And all the Republicans calling you a hypocrite can go Fuck themselves...As if they would walk away from $70-million any day of the week, anytime of the Fucking year....Please.....




    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/al-gore-stands-to-gain-about-70-million-after-selling-current-tv-to-al-jazeera/2013/01/04/4775e5d2-56a5-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html

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    The only point they have to the hypocrisy is that Al Gore made a fortune off of hating big oil and now just accepted a giant check from them. Kinda interesting but not earth shattering... capitalist pigs will be capitalist pigs.... The irony is wicked just as the irony of all the worlds carbon fighting billionaires living in hugantuous mansions and arriving to carbon reduction summits in private jets. Meh!
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    Re: Al Jazeera Buys Current TV

    Oh and to all of these people who say that Al Jazeera is some benign news station I would like to point them to this.
    http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/04/fl...or-jews-video/

    Now be honest if a Fox New host said half of what this man said all of you and me included would be up his ass calling him out. So therefore Fox's Muslim equivalent channel should get called out as well.

    Oh and this should be added.
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/35...azeera-america
    Last edited by Mariatenebre; January 9th, 2013 at 10:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Yes, Al Jazeera is a objective source for news. One anchor saying something inappropriate? The Qatar government is pro-Western and pro-US. And they own the station. It's easy to cite some right wing source like dailycaller to support some non-existent point. And most of the anchors on the English segment are British and pro-Western.

    That Daily caller site is hilarious though... they don't use facts in any of their arguments and they are operated by a bunch of right wing gun nuts. They actually said Piers Morgan isn't protected by the first amendment... those guys on that site don't understand the facts even if they were to hit them right in the face.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/aboutus/200...254204111.html

    Take a look at their actual list of field correspondents. Many of whom have decades of knowledge and experience in the field and give very insightful reporting. I suggest actually watching the channel instead of jumping to conclusions.

    It's silly and insulting to compare their work to that lame shit they do on Fox News.
    It appears Al Jezeera has done what it wanted to do --- for you at least --- 'slick up' their image and graphics to appear to be objective.

    I hope that the American people will be able to distinguish between terrorist propaganda and the real news.

    I'm sure you've heard of the 1st Amendment that protects the press .. a free press.

    There is no such thing in Qatar. You're getting filtered news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    There is no such thing in Qatar. You're getting filtered news.
    That video Maria linked didn't look very "filtered".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    And for that he nets $125 million

    I find that ironic

    What's ironic is that while Gore publicly denounces oil and by inference, oil money, in his quest for all things green, he sells his little network to a company financed by oil money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It appears Al Jezeera has done what it wanted to do --- for you at least --- 'slick up' their image and graphics to appear to be objective.

    I hope that the American people will be able to distinguish between terrorist propaganda and the real news.

    I'm sure you've heard of the 1st Amendment that protects the press .. a free press.

    There is no such thing in Qatar. You're getting filtered news.
    You're getting a filtered news in the U.S. as well. You're getting whatever survived the filter of "we're now a private for-profit business and we need to run stories that are controversial, will attract ratings and viewers and get us marketshare." Not real news.

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    ^^

    I agree -- all news is filtered -- but the question is by whom? I don't want mine filtered by a foreign country that has many deep differences from my own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It appears Al Jezeera has done what it wanted to do --- for you at least --- 'slick up' their image and graphics to appear to be objective.

    I hope that the American people will be able to distinguish between terrorist propaganda and the real news.

    I'm sure you've heard of the 1st Amendment that protects the press .. a free press.

    There is no such thing in Qatar. You're getting filtered news.
    Even Limbaugh admits it is good journalism and he freaking hates MSM because they don't parrot his insane nonsense.

    Anyone with a critical instead of a jaundiced eye who has to deal with the middle east instead of read about it in the paper would willingly agree Al Jazeera has unique newsworthy insight.

    Of course, most Americans just prefer to have their xenophobic hate reaffirmed. SO i can see how some would not want to hear truthful messages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^

    I agree -- all news is filtered -- but the question is by whom? I don't want mine filtered by a foreign country that has many deep differences from my own country.
    If you spent some time reading UK news available in the U.S. you'd see the inherent VALUE in multiple perspectives from multiple backgrounds because you often see elements of the story in one news source that wasn't in the U.S. one.

    What's basing your fear as far as I can tell is that Al Jazeera is going to engage in some kind of brainwashing propaganda thing and attract viewers that just watch Al Jazeera and believe everything they say. But people do that anyway-- with Fox News and plenty of other biased, untrustworthy outlets of news or information, so it's not a good argument that we should shut out multiple avenues of information because of what low information people will be influenced by. The rest of us will see what U.S. news, UK news and Al Jazeera said on a given issue and have a bigger perspective on it as a result. That's a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    If you spent some time reading UK news available in the U.S. you'd see the inherent VALUE in multiple perspectives from multiple backgrounds because you often see elements of the story in one news source that wasn't in the U.S. one.

    What's basing your fear as far as I can tell is that Al Jazeera is going to engage in some kind of brainwashing propaganda thing and attract viewers that just watch Al Jazeera and believe everything they say. But people do that anyway-- with Fox News and plenty of other biased, untrustworthy outlets of news or information, so it's not a good argument that we should shut out multiple avenues of information because of what low information people will be influenced by. The rest of us will see what U.S. news, UK news and Al Jazeera said on a given issue and have a bigger perspective on it as a result. That's a good thing.
    I'd never think of getting my news from one source. I've seen Al Jezeera news -- it's improved in the short time they've been around. I understand that you and others here would feel more comfortable with a news source that doesn't reflect regular American values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I'd never think of getting my news from one source. I've seen Al Jezeera news -- it's improved in the short time they've been around. I understand that you and others here would feel more comfortable with a news source that doesn't reflect regular American values.
    I don't understand the meaning or the value in the comment you threw in at the end.

    My ancestors come from this continent and both ends of the planet and I've always had a multifaceted view about America, as has my family, and we're inherently American. Any assertion that one viewpoint is the "American one" is inherently contemptuous.

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    Two observations:

    1. Considering how biased news are in the US, one should always welcome outside sources, regardless of where they come from, to balance that.

    2. Considering how biased news are in the US, it's not really surprising that so many people on here can't even fathom news NOT being biased, when, frankly, many countries hold their news to much higher standards than America does. There are always interests, but they aren't always the driving force, as it is here.
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