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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Those are always the people who feel the most threatened because their 'privilege' is the thinnest. Rich people don't really care that much what the rank and file think or say because they're going to continue going to elite academies and having the best healthcare and all but guaranteed acccess to continuing high incomes and wealth for their kids. The poor white people who see any sort of inherent social benefit of being white vanishing are going to be the most immediately threatened and respond the most virulently.

    Likewise you had the Irish in the western U.S. climb from a scarcely considered white undesirable minority group to an accepted part of the mainstream by stepping on Chinese immigrants and leading the call for the exclusion act to protect white interests, and in that way ingratiated their place in the privileged mainstream.
    Ah, yes -- making common cause against an enemy is the best way to gain entry to the group with which that common cause is made.

    Even if you have to invent the enemy.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I drive people crazy by using proper biological language and referring to "varieties".

    One guy protested the term made him think of apples. I told him "Good!"
    Are you a Grannie Smith?

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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Ah, yes -- making common cause against an enemy is the best way to gain entry to the group with which that common cause is made.

    Even if you have to invent the enemy.
    "It's good that the door was open for us, and just to prove how good we are, we'll help you close that door now so bad people don't get in!"

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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    There is an abundance of evidence to suggest that higher vertical positioning of symbols inscribed on Native American totem poles does not represent a greater relative hierarchical importance.
    Heavens! Don't think I'm on any totem pole. Can we register on-line?

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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    There are two factors:
    • genuine, bona-fide racist white people, who think they benefit from racism, and who feel entitled to benefit from it at the expense of people from other ethnic backgrounds, and who resent the real advancements in opportunity achieved by and for Americans of other colours. Hi there, confederate states, how're ya doin?
    • non-racist or even anti-racist white people, who are tired of hearing from some activists that they have some kind of golden ticket "white privilege" when in fact racism has never given them anything, who are provoked by a very small number of anti-white racists, and who are voting not based on race but in a political act of self-preservation.


    Clearly millions of white people are happy to embrace equality and happy to see other ethnicities do well, and happy to vote people into positions of power regardless of ethnicity. Obama's results show that.

    But white people who have never benefitted from racism will never accept the misguided arguments for dismantling racism that are made by some people. In addition to challenging actual acts of racism, the first thing that has to go is the term "white privilege." For something to be called "white privilege" it would have to be true of all white people, and that is just a fantasy or a lie.

    Here's a group of white people with no "privilege." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20898608

    White working-class boys in the UK (the country that invented white colonialism) do worse than, and have fewer opportunities and resources than, any other social grouping in the United Kingdom. Tell those people they have privilege and watch them laugh in your face. Be ready to run, though.

    If you want white people to be part of the solution to racism, it's far better to talk about "elite privilege." That is a more accurate term to describe the phenomenon, where it still exists. And it has the advantage of not disenfranchising the millions of white people who are still waiting for their supposed gift-pack of extra white goodies and scratching their heads while a vocal few accuse them of having "privilege."

    Basically if someone's anti-racist spew convinces white people that they do indeed benefit from racism, then it doesn't take a genius to figure out that many of them will support actual reactionary racist policies and candidates. The language of fairness is faaaar more powerful than the language of privilege in addressing this issue.
    Last edited by bankside; January 4th, 2013 at 01:00 PM.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    You can go out into the Ozarks or Appalachians and find white people who live without clean running water or electricity or substantial help and such, yeah. To pretend these people who've fallen through the cracks and have experienced no benefit of being white in a white nation represent anything but a negligible sub-percentage of the voting base is a little off, though. Privilege neither has to hit everyone nor everyone equally to exist.

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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Are you a Grannie Smith?
    Of course not -- I'm a Gala.

    Though occasionally I'm mistaken for a yellow transparent.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    [*]non-racist or even anti-racist white people, who are tired of hearing from some activists that they have some kind of golden ticket "white privilege" when in fact racism has never given them anything, who are provoked by a very small number of anti-white racists, and who are voting not based on race but in a political act of self-preservation.[/LIST]
    Sorry, even though there are rednecks - being a spawn of traditional White America - whether they like hearing it or not, white people in the US ARE given the benfit where people of color aren't.

    That exists whether you like it or not, whether you want to hear about it or not - it's not a "Southern" thing, and racism is why there are not equal percentages of Black and Brown CEO's, just like Misogyny is why the same for women. It gets better, but it's not over yet.

    Racism has hugely benefited white people as a whole, even some yokel who still sits on his grandpappy's half acre - because grandpappy wasn't hung from the Oak tree to scare his black ass off it a generation ago.
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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    You can go out into the Ozarks or Appalachians and find white people who live without clean running water or electricity or substantial help and such, yeah. To pretend these people who've fallen through the cracks and have experienced no benefit of being white in a white nation represent anything but a negligible sub-percentage of the voting base is a little off, though. Privilege neither has to hit everyone nor everyone equally to exist.
    Ask yourself, how many Black people own property in the Ozarks?

    Then ask yourself why? OBVIOUSLY it's not because property values are "elite."
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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

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    Do Ivy League schools have affirmative action?
    the recipients of affirmative action aren't just minorities. People with low incomes, children of agricultural workers, people who live in certain states - all of them can be candidates for affirmative action in schools. It's an artificial cross for white people, and usually the first retort when the legacy argument is brought up.
    All those wasted miles - all those aimless drives, through green aisles. Our careless life style: it was not so unwise.

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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    The Old Boy network - Affirmative Action for white guys for hundreds and hundreds of years.
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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    we do have to be a little sceptical or critical or critical about what a statement like that could mean - where it came from who made it and from whom . Moreover it could just mean that things are so much better now than usual or common that this state continuing is not assured .

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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    The Old Boy network - Affirmative Action for VERY FEWwhite guys for hundreds and hundreds of years.
    fixed that.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: Traditional white america is afraid of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    I find the irony in the GOP wanting to defund Planned Parenthood. Do they not realize that the original intention of the organization was eugenics in preserving the "white race" by giving easy access to birth control and abortions of minorities.

    I'm not racist either. Just read up on the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger.
    That is not true. The goal for Planned Parenthood was to give low income communities a better opportunity by giving them access to birth control so they could have a reasonable ammount of kids and have a better life. Point in fact Martin Luther King Jr. and Coretta Scott King both supported Sanger and Planned Parenthood.

    http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2011/...-why-wont-you/

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