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    Illinois legilature to vote on same-sex marriage bill

    A vote in the Senate could come as early as tomorrow, with a vote in the House early next week. Updates will come as they occur. These are exciting times indeed!

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    That's excellent news and could set the stage for other votes. It looks like my 3-5 more states legalizing it prediction could come true. Great way to start the new year. I'm not as pessimistic as I used to be.

    We're still stressed here in California though... wondering what will happen.

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    I'm not pessimistic at all, but it takes more than a possibility of a vote to get me excited.

    Illinois is set apart in many ways from the other states. It will be the first legislature to deliberate a same sex marriage bill in the Midwest. Illinois also has the 5th largest population in the country. The state will definitely boost prospects for marriage equality in other states nearby, especially Minnesota, but also possibly a repeal movement in Wisconsin and Michigan in a few years.

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    Illinois is also Obama's home state, and he personally encouraged the legislator to get on with it. As a Chicagoan, I'm super excited!
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    Re: Illinois legilature to vote on same-sex marriage bill

    I guess it's all about mobilization and who has it

    str8 (no pun intended) poll says we win right ?

    well Chicago's Cardinal Francis George + 6 auxiliary (whatever that means) bishops are trying to rev up opposition - yech
    I'm a Catholic and anecdotally Catholics are increasingly live and let live - heard on O'Reilly that Obama won Catholics 50-48 this past November vs. Romney which surprised him because of the President's view on contraception and Obamacare/Catholic institutions

    anyway - they should abide by the people's will and stay out of it


    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,1703693.story

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    Re: Illinois legilature to vote on same-sex marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    well Chicago's Cardinal Francis George + 6 auxiliary (whatever that means) bishops are trying to rev up opposition - yech
    I'm a Catholic and anecdotally Catholics are increasingly live and let live - heard on O'Reilly that Obama won Catholics 50-48 this past November vs. Romney which surprised him because of the President's view on contraception and Obamacare/Catholic institutions

    anyway - they should abide by the people's will and stay out of it
    Cardinal George, Same-Sex Marriage and the Law of Nature or
    the Irrelevance of the Roman Catholic Church


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    If Cardinal George wants to invoke the law of "nature," then perhaps he should invoke Jesus: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." (Matthew 7:12; Luke 6:31). This precept, which is found in one form or another is virtually every religious and ethical tradition, is a pretty good law of "nature." Apply that one to the issue of same-sex marriage.

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    Chance, if you want to be taken seriously, don't mention that you get your info from O'Reilly. It's not very becoming.

    It is great to hear another state that will (most likely) pass. Hopefully more will follow in the coming months, but I won't hold my breath for the South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    Chance, if you want to be taken seriously, don't mention that you get your info from O'Reilly. It's not very becoming.
    "Tide comes in - tide goes out."

    It is great to hear another state that will (most likely) pass.
    I thought the passage of the Civil Unions bill in Illinois was merely a stepping stone for the "real thing."

    Hopefully more will follow in the coming months, but I won't hold my breath for the South.
    I hope so too, but never hold your breath for the South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    Chance, if you want to be taken seriously, don't mention that you get your info from O'Reilly. It's not very becoming.

    It is great to hear another state that will (most likely) pass. Hopefully more will follow in the coming months, but I won't hold my breath for the South.
    Tough crowd . It's data mightbe - not opinion - 50-48 Catholics for Obama

    That tells u something about Catholics as a voting block - they're not wedded to church ideology

    As a catholic myself and with many catholic friends anecdotally it feels even more anti church dogma

    I hope to be more "becoming" in the future

    Or is that "begoing"

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    Re: Illinois legilature to vote on same-sex marriage bill

    The people should have absolutely no say on gay marriage, but that's for another topic.

    And Mitchell is SO much more awesome than Cam. He won me over at the second episode, where he tells the audience he was a jock at school and then dusts his sleeve...
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    Re: Illinois legilature to vote on same-sex marriage bill

    Wow O.o

    Illinois Republican Party Chairman Pat Brady of St. Charles is calling GOP lawmakers asking them to support a proposal to legalize same-sex marriage, he said today. Brady said he was making the calls as a citizen, outside of his official role with the Illinois Republican Party. "I think it's time for people to support this," Brady said.
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    Re: Illinois legilature to vote on same-sex marriage bill

    I second that. Is it a first? A sitting Republican in a leadership position endorsing us?

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    I predict that by 2016, whoever is the Republican candidate for the Presidency, will be faced with at least 20 states with marriage equality, and will have no choice but to be in support of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I predict that by 2016, whoever is the Republican candidate for the Presidency, will be faced with at least 20 states with marriage equality, and will have no choice but to be in support of us.
    We can't get to 20 without some amendment repeals.

    It will more likely be 13 to 16 by then, and those are the likely states without amendments. Hopefully, amendment repeals in Oregon, Wisconsin, Michigan, Colorado, and Nevada will be possible this decade, bringing us to a possible 21 by 2020.

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    Re: Illinois legilature to vote on same-sex marriage bill

    As an American and now also British Citizen, I wonder how many Americans realize that gay marriage has none of the benefits of a str8 marriage from Taxes to Social Security. My partner and I have a civil partnership in England and have the same rights as a str8 couple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambdaboy View Post
    As an American and now also British Citizen, I wonder how many Americans realize that gay marriage has none of the benefits of a str8 marriage from Taxes to Social Security.
    If you are referring to DOMA, then you are correct, and even if it were repealed or struck down, a civil union would not get federal marriage benefits.

    My partner and I have a civil partnership in England and have the same rights as a str8 couple.
    Except you don't...

    Santos and Volpe long ago had legal papers prepared defining their relationship, to carry with them in case someone had to go to the hospital. But they say having the paperwork, and even being in a civil union, allowed by Illinois law last year, does not always help in situations where they have to explain their family.

    Two years ago, Jaidon had kidney failure and was in danger of dying. He was transferred from a suburban hospital to an intensive care pediatric unit in the city, and Theresa filled out paperwork while Mercedes sat with him in his room.

    But then Theresa wasn't allowed to see Jaidon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    We can't get to 20 without some amendment repeals.

    It will more likely be 13 to 16 by then, and those are the likely states without amendments. Hopefully, amendment repeals in Oregon, Wisconsin, Michigan, Colorado, and Nevada will be possible this decade, bringing us to a possible 21 by 2020.
    Actually, we can get to 20 with only 2 amendment repeals OR a SCOTUS decision (there are still states whose constitution prohibits interracial marriage, it just doesn't matter). And up until November 6, 2012, we had never had a win on the ballot. Suddenly we had FIVE. I think things will progress faster and faster now, not at the speed they have in the last decade. It has become a front-and-center issue, and everyone can feel that a major change is just beyond the horizon. Especially if DOMA falls in June.
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    Re: Illinois legilature to vote on same-sex marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    If you are referring to DOMA, then you are correct, and even if it were repealed or struck down, a civil union would not get federal marriage benefits.
    Depends on the reason why it would be struck down. If the court held that DOMA violated the inherent equality of same-sex marriages, then all of the protections would apply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Depends on the reason why it would be struck down. If the court held that DOMA violated the inherent equality of same-sex marriages, then all of the protections would apply.
    To get state benefits, a state law such as Prop 8 would have to be successfully challenged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Actually, we can get to 20 with only 2 amendment repeals OR a SCOTUS decision (there are still states whose constitution prohibits interracial marriage, it just doesn't matter). And up until November 6, 2012, we had never had a win on the ballot. Suddenly we had FIVE. I think things will progress faster and faster now, not at the speed they have in the last decade. It has become a front-and-center issue, and everyone can feel that a major change is just beyond the horizon. Especially if DOMA falls in June.
    True, but it is unlikely that we will convince Pennsylvania, Wyoming, Indiana, West Virginia, or New Mexico anytime soon. Although, New Mexico is the most likely of those mentioned.

    The reason we are seeing a rapid pace now is a domino effect in legislation, and as you well know, it takes more than that to overcome constitutional law. The pace will slow down dramatically once we have 15 states. Also, some of those Obama states have Republican legislatures.
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    If we won 5 ballots, we will win others too, and it only takes a ballot win to repeal a constitutional amendment.
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    Re: Illinois legilature to vote on same-sex marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    To get state benefits, a state law such as Prop 8 would have to be successfully challenged.
    Not if the court holds that equal marriage is protected by constitutional right. Everything else is subsidiary to that question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Not if the court holds that equal marriage is protected by constitutional right. Everything else is subsidiary to that question.
    No. DOMA does not govern the right to marry, and could not even if Congress wanted to amend it that way. The Constitution does not give Congress the right to regulate family law. DOMA regards the federal recognition of marriage, not the legality of it. Therefore, a challenge to DOMA could not result in a nationwide right to marry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    If we won 5 ballots, we will win others too, and it only takes a ballot win to repeal a constitutional amendment.
    Not all states have a constitutional initiative process. Maryland doesn't. Oregon does. I'm not sure about Wisconsin or Michigan. If they don't, it requires an act of the legislature to put the question on the ballot.
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    Re: Illinois legilature to vote on same-sex marriage bill

    I see your point. The question of marriage-as-a-right could arise from a non-DOMA case, then, could it not? A finding that state constitutions must compel the granting of marriage on an equal basis because the national constitution demands equality and is supreme under Article Six over any state regime that differs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I see your point. The question of marriage-as-a-right could arise from a non-DOMA case, then, could it not?
    Yes, Hollingsworth v. Perry is before the Supreme Court right now. It challenges a California state constitutional amendment known as Prop 8. The case falls within federal jurisdiction by invoking the 14th Amendment.

    A finding that state constitutions must compel the granting of marriage on an equal basis because the national constitution demands equality and is supreme under Article Six over any state regime that differs.
    We do not yet have a federal circuit court decision anywhere in the country that has found a universal right to marry, but that might not prevent SCOTUS from taking that initiative with Hollingsworth, however unlikely.
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    Re: Illinois legilature to vote on same-sex marriage bill

    We're having the same fight in France. I never thought that France was such a conservative country but it obviously is. Good luck for your fight guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Not all states have a constitutional initiative process. Maryland doesn't. Oregon does. I'm not sure about Wisconsin or Michigan. If they don't, it requires an act of the legislature to put the question on the ballot.
    Oregon does have such a process. They just have to start collecting signatures. Wisconsin doesn't though, and would require two consecutive votes by the legislature before going to the voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Oregon does have such a process. They just have to start collecting signatures. Wisconsin doesn't though, and would require two consecutive votes by the legislature before going to the voters.
    I saw that in an email from Jeana Frazzini trying to raise money for a campaign this year.

    But Wisconsin is going to be a pain.

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