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    The hypocrisy of Hollywood is amazing. The elite liberal actors and their anti-gun video was shot down in this video by showing how they promote gun violence daily in movies.

    Hollywood is the Culture of Violence ... Fucking Hypocrites and Whores.

    Will Biden include sanctions and limits on Hollywood violence in his committee's recommendation? I wouldn't hold my breath.


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    "Demand Celebrities Go Fuck Themselves"?

    Nah ... I'd rather just tell real-life, constitution-quoting, gun-toting, weaponary-worshipping, personal-arsenal-amassing-arseholes to go 'fuck themselves'.


    Although if the 'celebrity' in question happens to be a real-life, constitution-quoting, gun-toting, weaponary-worshipping, personal-arsenal-amassing-arsehole, then I would be more than happy to tell them to go fuck themself.

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    I have been listening to Conservatives expressing their disdain for celebrities for years...EXCEPT when the celebrity agrees with them.

    Thing is...if you take the 'elite liberal' nonsense out of the first sentence you actually have a good point. Hollywood DOES love violence and promotes it as entertainment so there is a hypocritical vibe to the whole campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoodedRat View Post
    "Demand Celebrities Go Fuck Themselves"?

    Nah ... I'd rather just tell real-life, constitution-quoting, gun-toting, weaponary-worshipping, personal-arsenal-amassing-arseholes to go 'fuck themselves'.


    Although if the 'celebrity' in question happens to be a real-life, constitution-quoting, gun-toting, weaponary-worshipping, personal-arsenal-amassing-arsehole, then I would be more than happy to tell them to go fuck themself.

    You put it so succinctly.

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    Hey

    TED NUGENT

    Go Fuck yourself.....

    You're right.

    I feel better already.

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    Hollywood knows that violence sells. If you want to start throwing political labels around, you can start with Clint Eastwood, worshiped by conservatives, who made a very lucrative living all his life pedaling violence in his countless violent films. One standard for you. Another standard for liberals. That's the height of hypocrisy.

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    Are you not American Jack? America was founded on violence. It's in your blood. If you aren't desensitized to violence by the time you're 18, I would question your American-ness.

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    ^^^

    I'm not your kind of American. I don't watch violent movies and TV shows. Nothing makes me change the channel quicker than a murder show on TV -- I just don't see the need.

    Hollywood has taught people that gun violence is the answer to almost everything that goes wrong in a person's life.

    It's time for them to take responsibility instead of hiding behind some kind of self-righteous video blaming inanimate objects when they showed people in their movies and shows the cruel way guns can be used to kill people.

    The reason I included "liberal elite" in the thread opener is because the people in the video were elite hollywood liberals. I didn't see Clint Eastwood in the video -- did you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    What you do, when you play the blame game, is turn off people who are initially open to listening to your opposing point of view, by proposing that there is only a single cause for a problem, while the one you defend can never be. So why even make the effort? There is no choir to preach to on a bipartisan debate forum.
    JockBoy, I've never said that hollywood violence is the only reason - it's part of the problem. Sad to say I doubt that it will be addressed by Biden and his committee. If it is - I will be very happy.

    There are many reasons ... time for the US to have an open discussion. Again, I doubt it will happen -- but there is hope.

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    Are you proposing censorship? There is some wording called the First Amendment which comes ino play.

    I do not watch violent or "butchery" movies either. But the American public wants its vicarious Colisseum. Unfortunately it's being translated to the streets and schools.

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    Hollywood can police themselves -- so can the gun manufactures.

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    Ah, the Hollywood hypocrisy... I keep forgetting they have propelled the gun culture through the centuries. It's an easy thing to forget how much it's all their fault.
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    ^^^

    The thread is about the videos and the hypocrisy of hollywood. Pay attention.

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    Re: "Demand Celebrities Go Fuck Themselves"

    sigh....... the most appropriate post I can imagine for being angry at Hollywood for exercising their right to free speech



    Apropos???? Yes Yes???
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    For the record, all the films presented in the video have been released to international markets, including nations such as the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia.

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    If Hollywood gun violence is a significant factor in the gun violence present within US culture, why does it have such a significantly lesser effect in other nations?
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    Yes, Hollywood needs to stop making those movies that promote the unregulated selling of assault weapons to convicted felons and mentally disturbed individuals. That would solve all our problems.

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    Much of the rest of the world watches the violence-gloryfying shite churned out by Hollyweird ... but, for some reason or other, non-Americans don't seem to feel the need to arm themselves to the teeth.

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    The cesspool of hollywood in the USA creates the crap.

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    Re: "Demand Celebrities Go Fuck Themselves"

    HEY!!!

    HANK WILLIAMS JR!

    GO FUCK YOURSELF

    You know. It really works.
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    Amazing dialogue rareboy.

    maybe you should get a job in hollywood.

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    HEY!!!

    CHARLTON HESTON'S CORPSE

    GO FUCK YOURSELF

    I'm liking this more and more.

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    Must be a Canadian thing

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    We just think that all's fair.

    If we can tell the celebs who come out on the issue one way...we can also use the same rule for those on the other side.

    As far as hypocrisy goes? Yeah. Big surprise.

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    Well I'm all for free speech

    Hollywood movie makers have a responsibility

    They do

    Or they should if they don't

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    HEY!!!

    CHUCK NORRIS

    GO FUCK YOURSELF

    That one I've been dying to say all last year.

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    The problem with celebrities is that they are always having a mic shoved under their nose and asked their opinion on the issue of the day.

    And instead of admitting that they are just clotheshangers or witess, brainless, handpuppets who get paid to not be themselves....they have a form of Tourettes that makes them blurt out opinions on things.

    But why the outrage?

    What I was trying to get at was that it is all one sided outrage. When any one of the people I've saluted here has an opinion on an issue...the right wing fans seem to act like (particularly in Heston's case)...that they are bringing the tablets down from the mount.

    The only reason that people want to tell them to go fuck themselves is the same reason I chose these knuckle dragging homophobic asshats. It is because we are afraid of their influence.

    But do any of you really think that an actor's 20 second sound bite calling for something to be done really influences that many people? The only people it seems to really exorcise are those with a different opinion.

    So hypocrites or not, these Hollywood folks, like the ones that I put on my 'Howdy, Go Fuck Yourself' list are still entitled to give an opinion.

    Even if they are part of the problem too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    The problem with celebrities is that they are always having a mic shoved under their nose and asked their opinion on the issue of the day.

    And instead of admitting that they are just clotheshangers or witess, brainless, handpuppets who get paid to not be themselves....they have a form of Tourettes that makes them blurt out opinions on things.

    But why the outrage?

    What I was trying to get at was that it is all one sided outrage. When any one of the people I've saluted here has an opinion on an issue...the right wing fans seem to act like (particularly in Heston's case)...that they are bringing the tablets down from the mount.

    The only reason that people want to tell them to go fuck themselves is the same reason I chose these knuckle dragging homophobic asshats. It is because we are afraid of their influence.

    But do any of you really think that an actor's 20 second sound bite calling for something to be done really influences that many people? The only people it seems to really exorcise are those with a different opinion.

    So hypocrites or not, these Hollywood folks, like the ones that I put on my 'Howdy, Go Fuck Yourself' list are still entitled to give an opinion.

    Even if they are part of the problem too.
    Very well said.

    Besides being red in the face with embarrassment I do not recall republicans excoriating Eastwood when he made a fool of himself. In fact, several defended Mr Eastman. Weird. It is like there are two standards. One for when someone is on their side and another one for when they are not.

    Somehow when I hear the term 'cesspool' in reference to Hollywood I picture an old fashioned women in a hoop skirt trying to hold up her many slips while navigating a mud puddle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Very well said.

    Besides being red in the face with embarrassment I do not recall republicans excoriating Eastwood when he made a fool of himself. In fact, several defended Mr Eastman. Weird. It is like there are two standards. One for when someone is on their side and another one for when they are not.

    Somehow when I hear the term 'cesspool' in reference to Hollywood I picture an old fashioned women in a hoop skirt trying to hold up her many slips while navigating a mud puddle....
    Again, Clint Eastwood --- one man you are pointing out ---- was NOT in the video.

    The video showed how hypocritical some in hollywood are about violence. Acting self-righteous in their original video like they were special -- they are not special.

    They use violence to make money.

    I don't use violence to make money. You don't use violence to make money. They do.

    They are hypocrites and should not be given the time of day. They are whores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Again, Clint Eastwood --- one man you are pointing out ---- was NOT in the video.

    The video showed how hypocritical some in hollywood are about violence. Acting self-righteous in their original video like they were special -- they are not special.

    They use violence to make money.

    I don't use violence to make money. You don't use violence to make money. They do.

    They are hypocrites and should not be given the time of day. They are whores.

    Jayhawk, your desire to make fun of the dead another time really pisses me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Again, Clint Eastwood --- one man you are pointing out ---- was NOT in the video.

    The video showed how hypocritical some in hollywood are about violence. Acting self-righteous in their original video like they were special -- they are not special.

    They use violence to make money.

    I don't use violence to make money. You don't use violence to make money. They do.

    They are hypocrites and should not be given the time of day. They are whores.
    The point is they are actors and actresses espousing a political belief. One you agree with and one you do not. I watched every violent movie you could get a hold of as a child and i dont not feel the need to go out and mass murder a bunch of folks... so why is my experience different? They made plenty of death movies when i was a kid... in fact they worked to stiffen the restrictions for body counts... when i was a kid it was a free game of who can make the biggest body count.

    So the example at its heart makes no sense. Then add to it you want to remove the right of people to freely speak their minds. How about you figure out the process of changing the channel and we will leave these people their rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Jayhawk, your desire to make fun of the dead another time really pisses me off.
    Quoting yourself and broken english??? I did get the gist though so when you get a chance please let me know where I make fun of the dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Again, Clint Eastwood --- one man you are pointing out ---- was NOT in the video.

    The video showed how hypocritical some in hollywood are about violence. Acting self-righteous in their original video like they were special -- they are not special.

    They use violence to make money.

    I don't use violence to make money. You don't use violence to make money. They do.

    They are hypocrites and should not be given the time of day. They are whores.
    You do realize that actors are employees who take jobs for money, right? They don't write the script in most cases or even have substantial creative influence on the movie.

    I don't know why the right treats movies like a propaganda arm that actors use to promote their own personal agendas. I'm a horror movie fan. A lot of actors from cult classic b-movie horror films won't come do conventions. Do you know why? They say things like "I was young, I needed work... it was just a job. I don't want to be known forever as the girl from <insert horror movie title>." They've moved on and are doing other things with their lives now. Being in a horror movie should not be taken as a statement that they're hardcore survivalists or home invasion experts or self defense proponents in their real lives, or experts on the occult. Or even endorse any of the above.

    I also get tired of how it's only "bad" when liberal actors have a political opinion. You have no problem with Reagan or conservative actors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    I wonder if, in his new-found commitment to ending gun violence, Jeremy Renner will turn down the next Bourne franchise movie as something that glorifies guns and violence in our culture.
    I do know that part of the several reasons Richard Dean Anderson left Stargate SG1 two seasons before the show ended was because he disliked guns. But this whole line of reasoning is stupid. It's like saying Patrick Stewart or actors who are fanatics for doing stage Shakespeare support infidelity, witchcraft and murder. It also presupposes that what people see on TV or movie screens influences social problems or crime in real life which there is no credible evidence that it does, and therefore there is no credible reason to say what jobs an actor takes gives them responsibility in social problems related to drugs or guns.

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    Movies are not real.
    Are you going to blame Harry Potters and the lord of the rings as well ???

    Banned guns, problems solved !!!


    NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Movies are not real.
    Are you going to blame Harry Potters and the lord of the rings as well ???

    Banned guns, problems solved !!!

    Don't forget how many Christian schools banned the books because they "promoted witchcraft." lmao. Bout as dumb as that video saying celebs can't have an opinion on guns because they've been in action movies.

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    Does anyone ever actually have their opinion swayed one way or the other by any celebrity?

    Maybe 8 years ago I was stuck and had a genuine struggle choosing and I actually sought out Linda Ronstadt's opinion...I told myself that she would be the tie breaker for me...she didn't endorse anyone though so I was left to my own devices. Linda's opinion would have made a difference for me because I put her on a pedestal politically and I adore her social conscience and trust her sensibility.

    Other than that...no effect all.

    It isn't about the celebrities voicing their opinions (free speech pretty much covers that one)...I do think it is ironic that Hollywood in general would glorify violence and then after the cash has been made ask to stop the violence. I just think there could be better spokesmen. For me...It is similar to Teddy Haggard...the crack whore...telling other people what a "sin" it is to have gay sex. The Religious Right really should have vetted that one.

    Moral of the story....if you want to preach about the evils of gay sex...do not choose a gay male prostitute hiring crack whore to deliver the message

    Same with violence...the industry that promotes violence (for profit) shouldn't be the one who is imploring us to stop the violence. There has gotta be better spokesman. For instance...the parents and loved ones of the victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    you don't think it's a little hypocritical to cry out that something needs to be done and then refuse to do anything in the one area where they can actually try and impact a change (eg: the culture in this country that glorifies guns)?
    I think that I worked in accounting and it was my JOB to take faxes coming in from countries like CountryWide asking us to provide a letter simply stating that we prepare tax returns for x client with no income verification and it was my job to do it. Those people were getting subprime loans from a provider that wasn't verifying their income or their ability to pay on the loan. But that was part of my job. I was doing it to make money to live on. I was neither seeking a loan I couldn't afford nor the one making signing deal fees and commissions on giving the loan. I didnt know it was going to explode but I wasn't surprised it did, either. So I'm responsible for it now?

    Likewise saying the job an actor takes has any bearing on what gun manufacturers, the NRA, and people who get access to firearms are doing with those firearms is pretty ridiculous in my book. It also assumes any movie with a gun in it is promoting that having guns or using guns is good which isn't the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Again, Clint Eastwood --- one man you are pointing out ---- was NOT in the video.

    The video showed how hypocritical some in hollywood are about violence. Acting self-righteous in their original video like they were special -- they are not special.

    They use violence to make money.

    I don't use violence to make money. You don't use violence to make money. They do.

    They are hypocrites and should not be given the time of day. They are whores.
    Oh. I see.

    So the point you are making is that if the actor glorifies gun violence off screen as well as on...they are worth listening to?

    You are only a whore if you don't agree with the hyper gun culture in the 'real' world US?

    So these pro-gun celebrities are not hypocrites who use violence to make money?

    Is that it Jack?

    Am I getting your point correctly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Oh. I see.

    So the point you are making is that if the actor glorifies gun violence off screen as well as on...they are worth listening to?

    You are only a whore if you don't agree with the hyper gun culture in the 'real' world US?

    So these pro-gun celebrities are not hypocrites who use violence to make money?

    Is that it Jack?

    Am I getting your point correctly?
    My sentiments exact. When it's Charlton Heston supporting gun ownership he's not an obnoxious celebrity, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    I wonder if, in his new-found commitment to ending gun violence, Jeremy Renner will turn down the next Bourne franchise movie as something that glorifies guns and violence in our culture.
    not likely

    watched an episode of The Walking Dead yesterday and they had the guy who plays Daryl saying that the show is violent, heart goes out to Sandy Hook, etc.

    I love the show

    but thought that "message" was bullshit

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    1. It is positively mentally challenged to say that a movie/show with a violent subject "glorifies" violence or espouses it. Art is NOT political or social by default. Actually, it is the opposite. The Walking Dead as a comic book (and I imagine - a show as well) has the goal of using the zombie apocalypse to show the ugliness that the living hide within themselves. THAT is the message of the story. But it is a fucking zombie apocalypse. Of course there will be violence there. How is that a social statement and why would a message about their condolences for the victims of Sandy Hook be "bullshit"?


    2. Actors are people like all other people. Some are smart and have keen and intelligent opinions on issues outside their field - such as politics or social issues - and others don't. I don't see why we glorify the right to an opinion of nameless trolls on internet forums, but rush to judge celebrities just because more people read/hear theirs. Some of them have meaningful stuff to say, and their profession doesn't somehow make them immune to deep thoughts.
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    Honestly what I found amusing was the case or two of liberal celebrities calling from the gates of their walled residences with expensive electronic security systems to deny the people they very same arms their security details are carrying to patrol those same walls.
    Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    not likely

    watched an episode of The Walking Dead yesterday and they had the guy who plays Daryl saying that the show is violent, heart goes out to Sandy Hook, etc.

    I love the show

    but thought that "message" was bullshit
    I have trouble with a thought process that is so dense that it would think someone accepting a role in a show about a zombie apocalypse personally advocates violence and shooting people in the head. It's fiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    You do realize that actors are employees who take jobs for money, right? They don't write the script in most cases or even have substantial creative influence on the movie.

    I don't know why the right treats movies like a propaganda arm that actors use to promote their own personal agendas. I'm a horror movie fan. A lot of actors from cult classic b-movie horror films won't come do conventions. Do you know why? They say things like "I was young, I needed work... it was just a job. I don't want to be known forever as the girl from <insert horror movie title>." They've moved on and are doing other things with their lives now. Being in a horror movie should not be taken as a statement that they're hardcore survivalists or home invasion experts or self defense proponents in their real lives, or experts on the occult. Or even endorse any of the above.

    I also get tired of how it's only "bad" when liberal actors have a political opinion. You have no problem with Reagan or conservative actors.
    People make decisions based on their character on a regular basis every day xbuzzerx. I'm sure you do also.

    If the actors are really serious, they would refuse to participate in violent movies.

    I'm sure you refused to do something that would have put money in your pocket -- maybe a lot of money -- but refused because of the moral aspects. Why can't the actors do the same thing. Money isn't everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Oh. I see.

    So the point you are making is that if the actor glorifies gun violence off screen as well as on...they are worth listening to?

    You are only a whore if you don't agree with the hyper gun culture in the 'real' world US?

    So these pro-gun celebrities are not hypocrites who use violence to make money?

    Is that it Jack?

    Am I getting your point correctly?
    I think you're over reacting or still hung over from last night.

    You're not getting my point at all.

    First watch the video I posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    People make decisions based on their character on a regular basis every day xbuzzerx. I'm sure you do also.

    If the actors are really serious, they would refuse to participate in violent movies.

    I'm sure you refused to do something that would have put money in your pocket -- maybe a lot of money -- but refused because of the moral aspects. Why can't the actors do the same thing. Money isn't everything.
    Actually if they were serious about it they'd give time/attention/fundraising/money/awareness to groups seeking sensible gun regulation. What they do when they take an acting job is participate in fiction for entertainment. It's not a social agenda. Only the right treats it that way, and ONLY for liberal actors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    For the record, all the films presented in the video have been released to international markets, including nations such as the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia.

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    If Hollywood gun violence is a significant factor in the gun violence present within US culture, why does it have such a significantly lesser effect in other nations?
    Therein lies the real question. I highly suspect that if a study were done of a hundred nations on how people look at violence as a legitimate way to deal with problems, the US would be in the top five -- and the others would be places like Somalia and Uganda. If Europe had the same number of firearms per capita as the US, my guess is the US murder by firearms rate would still be at least three times as high.

    It all goes down to "winning". In movies like the Die Hard collection, the guns aren't the big thing -- winning is, because Americans have a notion that we have to win... at all costs. It comes from a number of strands in history, but the worst is where it is married to the Puritan moral streak, a place where the 'Kingdom of God' is supposed to triumph, and the Kingdom gets associated with America, and the need to triumph gets personalized -- and the Puritan streak approves of violence to win.

    (thus a very brief summary of what could a a thousand-word essay)

    Stir it together, and it's no surprise that Americans excel in violence of all kinds with and sorts of means.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    Does anyone ever actually have their opinion swayed one way or the other by any celebrity?
    If they do an impressive TED talk, sure.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    Honestly what I found amusing was the case or two of liberal celebrities calling from the gates of their walled residences with expensive electronic security systems to deny the people they very same arms their security details are carrying to patrol those same walls.
    Yes -- THAT's hypocrisy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    People make decisions based on their character on a regular basis every day xbuzzerx. I'm sure you do also.

    If the actors are really serious, they would refuse to participate in violent movies.

    I'm sure you refused to do something that would have put money in your pocket -- maybe a lot of money -- but refused because of the moral aspects. Why can't the actors do the same thing. Money isn't everything.
    Maybe they understand that the correlation between watching violent movies and engaging in actual violence is low. Watching the nightly news when violent crimes are reported has a higher correlation.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Therein lies the real question. I highly suspect that if a study were done of a hundred nations on how people look at violence as a legitimate way to deal with problems, the US would be in the top five -- and the others would be places like Somalia and Uganda. If Europe had the same number of firearms per capita as the US, my guess is the US murder by firearms rate would still be at least three times as high.

    It all goes down to "winning". In movies like the Die Hard collection, the guns aren't the big thing -- winning is, because Americans have a notion that we have to win... at all costs. It comes from a number of strands in history, but the worst is where it is married to the Puritan moral streak, a place where the 'Kingdom of God' is supposed to triumph, and the Kingdom gets associated with America, and the need to triumph gets personalized -- and the Puritan streak approves of violence to win.

    (thus a very brief summary of what could a a thousand-word essay)

    Stir it together, and it's no surprise that Americans excel in violence of all kinds with and sorts of means.
    If what you say is true, and violence is indeed an ingrained reality within US culture, do you not think that a more regulated management of lethal weapons within the community might make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    If what you say is true, and violence is indeed an ingrained reality within US culture, do you not think that a more regulated management of lethal weapons within the community might make sense?
    I don't believe in treating symptoms instead of problems. Most gun owners are more responsible and less violent than the norm in the population, so I see them as part of the solution. For firearms, the right approach would be one to teach other people to be as safe and responsible as the vast population of gun owners, who rarely even get traffic tickets. That means education, especially in a way that imparts the understanding of what it means to be part of the militia: it's not a license to do as you please, but a call to responsibility.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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