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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelscarn View Post
    MISS U DRU





    Thanks Michael - the all time best lookin guy in porn or otherwise. I miss him so fuckin much.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Really liked Brennan's hands-free cumshot in his ACS video. The sex in the video ain't great (even for straight sex!!), but when he pulls her off and shoots a nice load and then it runs down his dick...muy caliente!!

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    Tom - I don't think a guy can be "confused" about his sexuality at 19 or 20. We've all known the answer to that one for a lot of years by then. Conflicted maybe. As for Kenny, you join the great majority on this blog that are fans of Kenny - I've never been able to understand. Most guys at my worksite are way hotter than Kenny. But I'm on-board about the young age CF models walk away. They could remain for a much longer number of years. I really thought Travis would be on board thru 30 at least. For that reason alone, I buy into the belief that these are really str8 guys, doing g4p for the $ only, who want out asap.
    I'm not sure I see a distinction between "confused" and "conflicted" but either way there are plenty of guys who struggle with same-sex attraction, writing it off as a fetish or phase-they'll-outgrow or just ignoring it. You can call it denial or conflicted, but in their minds, they haven't come to terms with it yet. Some will continue to shunt it off to the side and go on and lead heterosexual lives, of that cohort, some will be posting ads on CraigsList in 15 years, looking for similar companions, others will indeed be able to write it off for good. It's a sliding scale, not an either/or thing, and as Phunk pointed out the "suck one cock and you're gay" mentality does pervade our society, which leaves a lot of these guys confused.

    You also make a counter-intuitive argument about CF not having 30 year old models on the site: that's a business/creative decision Corbin Fisher Studios makes, not a reflection on the desires and career intentions of the models, and certainly not any indication of their sexuality. Few porn stars-- male or female, straight or LGBT-- have lengthy careers.

    It is indeed likely that the one-and-done or solo-only models see it as a wild "YOLO" experiment that lets them explore both their curiosity and exhibitionist tendencies and then return to their (presumably heterosexual) lives - Hayden, who did a top and bottom scene was a prime example of this - the scene where he topped Lucas was very hot, the one where Dawson fucked him was painful, both for Hayden and the viewer.

    And of course, to the point about Manipulator's Relaxers, these guys forget that on the internet, nothing is just a one-time thing...

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by truxtun View Post
    Tom - I don't think a guy can be "confused" about his sexuality at 19 or 20.
    I disagree. Given that this is the age at which male sex hormones spike 'confusion' may be the kindest description of the sort of insanity that can overtake a 19 year-old guy in rut! Cantaloupe look hot, sheep are scared. While I still think they're basically hetero, if you place them in a homosexual situation, they will perform. As I said above, 'maturity' is the why I find he SC guys like 'Willis' more genuinely 'curious' -- like they've had a steady diet of pussy for over a decade and are up for something new and dirty.

    As for Kenny, you join the great majority on this blog that are fans of Kenny - I've never been able to understand. Most guys at my worksite are way hotter than Kenny.
    While Kenny might not have runway model looks (though personally I find him attractive in a boy-next door kind of way) he exudes that quality of 'aw shucks' regular gayness that may be at the core of the gay4pay allure. 'Guyness' is like Potter Stewart's famous statement on pornography ("Don't ask me to define it. I know it when I see it!") and its a quality as rare as hen's teeth in the gay community. Kenny's ingenuous, he's charming. And then of course there's that body, especially that ass that gives my tongue a hard-on!

    They could remain for a much longer number of years. I really thought Travis would be on board thru 30 at least. For that reason alone, I buy into the belief that these are really str8 guys, doing g4p for the $ only, who want out asap.
    I don't know if Travis is the best example. Being a little older, I'm tempted to put him in the Willis category -- he was having too much fun! Perhaps there was a kid, and like Kurt Wild quit because he didn't want to tell his kids that daddy was a porn-star.

    And then there are ones who I think are genuinely bisexual, like Dru, Josh, and a few others (possibly Zeb). They seem peace with the fact that they are aroused by both sexes, only when it comes to relationships choose women.
    Last edited by PhunkSpunk; February 18th, 2013 at 09:59 AM.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    I fucking hate this 10 minute edit limit!

    Errata: "(Kenny) exudes a quality of 'aw shucks' regular guyness . . ." not 'gayness'. Not a parapraxis (i.e. 'Fruedian slip') but rather blind obedience to spell-check suggestions!

    Since I'm back, more on Travis. A while back someone on WayBig (I think) posted something about having seen him in action at the Denver bathhouse he stripped at prior to modeling for CF. I can't recall what exactly it was they said, only recall thinking it was bullshit. Also, I think someone on this thread posted something more recently about him giving a guy a bj on a dare or for $$, also prior to CF.

    I still like the hypothesis that he damaged himself with too many large foreign bodies lol, however the truth is likely something more banal, like growing kids or perhaps even a career.
    Last edited by PhunkSpunk; February 18th, 2013 at 10:44 AM.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by PhunkSpunk View Post
    I disagree. Given that this is the age at which male sex hormones spike 'confusion' may be the kindest description of the sort of insanity that can overtake a 19 year-old guy in rut! Cantaloupe look hot, sheep are scared. While I still think they're basically hetero, if you place them in a homosexual situation, they will perform. As I said above, 'maturity' is the why I find he SC guys like 'Willis' more genuinely 'curious' -- like they've had a steady diet of pussy for over a decade and are up for something new and dirty....

    And then there are ones who I think are genuinely bisexual, like Dru, Josh, and a few others (possibly Zeb). They seem peace with the fact that they are aroused by both sexes, only when it comes to relationships choose women.
    I'd split that even further - I think there are different levels of acceptance.

    Guys like Dru might meet a guy, think he's hot and start flirting with him, bed him down as a one-time thing or occasional fuck buddy and not be all hung up about it.

    Guys like Lucas or Travis probably don't hit on other guys, but they sometimes get hit on, and if it's late enough and they're buzzed enough (or if the guy is with a girl who's interested in a 3 way) they will go home with him, but pretty much keep it on the DL.

    And that changes too... I knew guys who were basically straight but would fuck around (with me) some when they were in their 20s. As they got older and relationships got heavier, that stopped. Imagine even porn stars follow the same pattern
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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Simply based on the 'Jekyll & Hyde' transformation his character underwent in the throws of the Act, I think Travis' sexuality in general is more of a loose cannon than Lucas'.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by PhunkSpunk View Post

    While Kenny might not have runway model looks (though personally I find him attractive in a boy-next door kind of way) he exudes that quality of 'aw shucks' regular gayness that may be at the core of the gay4pay allure. 'Guyness' is like Potter Stewart's famous statement on pornography ("Don't ask me to define it. I know it when I see it!") and its a quality as rare as hen's teeth in the gay community. Kenny's ingenuous, he's charming. And then of course there's that body, especially that ass that gives my tongue a hard-on!
    Speaking of Kenny, Pete tweeted a pic of Kenny, Josh, and Harper a few minutes ago...

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDaa5wuCYAA_XaX.jpg:large

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    I'm sorry I think he's Kenny's amazing! How did they get a guy like that to do gay porn?!?!

    Imagine you're trying to study for finals on an unseasonably warm day in May. You've got the window open and you just can't concentrate. Then you become aware of the bounce, bounce, bounce of somebody taking shots on the basketball court behind your dorm. Annoyed, you stick your head out to yell at whoever to keep it down only you see this shirtless, lean, defined guy, his body glowing with sweat, gracefully taking lay-up after lay-up. You can't stop watching. You can make out the firm globes of his ass each time he jumps for the hoop. Without even being aware of it, your hand starts squeezing your groin . . .

    Or it's a hot, humid summer afternoon. You hear the hum of a lawn mower, smell the fresh-cut grass. You look out and there he is, all sweaty and shirtless.

    Perhaps Kenny's just visiting. Maybe he'll do more stuff.

    The MIA Dean's Lister I'm most anxious after is the Late Bloomer. Again, I like to think of Hot Stuff Carson attached to his ass . . . Now they were a cute couple!
    Last edited by PhunkSpunk; February 18th, 2013 at 02:26 PM.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by PhunkSpunk View Post
    Simply based on the 'Jekyll & Hyde' transformation his character underwent in the throws of the Act, I think Travis' sexuality in general is more of a loose cannon than Lucas'.
    Definitely. Excellent description of Travis with a penis inside him.

    I suspect that when he does indulge, Lucas is a top, or at least he's the first to top, while Travis likely gets hit on by guys who want to fuck him and see the transformation take place. Would not be surprised if he sometimes gives in to that.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    He can't get through a sentence without stammering. Only when he's doing it he's so fluent -- in dirty talk!

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by yankeesfan View Post
    Speaking of Kenny, Pete tweeted a pic of Kenny, Josh, and Harper a few minutes ago...

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDaa5wuCYAA_XaX.jpg:large
    Kenny's back?

    MORE KENNY?

    AND NOW WE DO THE DANCE OF JOY!

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Want to know the hottest thing about Kenny? He's a people pleaser. And by "people" I mean people like nervous newbies (Julian), bossy bottoms (Justin), and Travis - who is his own variety of people, entirely.

    I need a Kenny/Aiden scene. I think their flavors of playfulness would go together so well.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Asenath View Post
    Want to know the hottest thing about Kenny? He's a people pleaser. And by "people" I mean people like nervous newbies (Julian), bossy bottoms (Justin), and Travis - who is his own variety of people, entirely.

    I need a Kenny/Aiden scene. I think their flavors of playfulness would go together so well.
    Yes, the Julian scene is one of my faves! Like his scene with Zeb, it has an Helix twink scene feel to it, which can be very pleasant. In fact, if I had to come up with an alternative Dean's List name for Kenny, it might be "The Butch Twink." And he's such a classic twink: tanned, blond, sweet . . .

    I was just going to say that Kenny goes the extra nine yards. I've never known him to turn in a lack-luster performance: he's always 'on'. Kenny does everything! Like Dawson, he knows what it takes to put on a great show, only it doesn't seem like it's quite as much effort. Connor sat on his face and Kenny just ate it! Nothing faked or furtive about it!

    Quinn Fucks Kenny: that could be sooo hot! I love watching gay boys fuck straight one . . . eats that glorious ass of Kenny's and then fucks the living daylights out of it!

    Maybe Davon can come back and fuck Kenny, too!
    Last edited by PhunkSpunk; February 18th, 2013 at 03:41 PM.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by yankeesfan View Post
    Speaking of Kenny, Pete tweeted a pic of Kenny, Josh, and Harper a few minutes ago...

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDaa5wuCYAA_XaX.jpg:large
    Awww, they took the boys to Disney! If the other guests only knew...

    I miss the days of real photography, when the pictures didn't come out or end up retouched before release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windsong View Post
    if you were running a gay-porn-website for over a decade and limiting yourself to only gay models, you'd run out of models quickly
    Then why transsexual porn isn't running out of models even though the number of trans people is much much lower? Also, there is no such thing as Trans4Pay. Why only in gay porn we see such real travesty as Gay4Pay? Why gay men hate themselves so much?

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by PhunkSpunk View Post
    Simply based on the 'Jekyll & Hyde' transformation his character underwent in the throws of the Act, I think Travis' sexuality in general is more of a loose cannon than Lucas'.

    You never know.

    I think both travis and Lucas are both more homosexual than they let on. It's just conservative culture that is messing them up.

    We still live in a world where in certain areas, homosexuality is taboo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litper View Post
    Then why transsexual porn isn't running out of models even though the number of trans people is much much lower? Also, there is no such thing as Trans4Pay. Why only in gay porn we see such real travesty as Gay4Pay? Why gay men hate themselves so much?
    So do you actually think those so-called lesbians in all that "lesbian" fetish porn are actually attracted to each other? And why is gay4pay a "travesty"? Porn--all porn--is about the performance and the illusion. It's edited to best convince you these two or three or 15 people actually want to fuck each other. Women pretend to be attracted to these average-at-best-looking straight guys everyday but it's some kind of insult that a bunch of guys are pretending to be attracted to another guy? Why? They're sex workers, they have sex for money. They do it as part of their job, regardless of what their sexuality is. If they weren't able to do that they wouldn't be very good at their jobs. And what does that have to do with gay men hating themselves?

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    I was just pointing out that it's possible to have a sustainable business for decades if you hire only gay guys. Or do you seriously think there are less gay men than trans women? The only reason gay porn is overpopulated with "straight" men is that self-hatred. And also "it's just illusion" argument won't work. Since "illusion" they try to sell is that these men DO NOT ENJOY it at all. That these men want to bang "girlfriends moms" but in no way they even slightly attracted to other men. It's the only porn where you will see such kind of "fantasy".

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Does finding out information about porn stars' personal lives ever change the way you view their scenes? Maybe you find out someone has four secret children, or that he's homophobic or racist. Can you still enjoy the porn?

    When I read about the drama that went on with AustinZane, it was difficult for me to not think about it when I watched them fuck. That's partly why I like to remain in the dark about many porn stars' lives outside of porn.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Austin and Zane's future was quite foreseeable. They could only go one way or the other and unfortunately, they went the other.

    I don't really care who has what with whom and where, I just don't want them to simulate or *really* do something in such an intense way only to turn around and condemn it as something that is "wrong" or "unnatural" to them in their personal lives. What they do with each other for everyone else to see is in a way my reality of sexuality and the only one represented without stereotype or ridicule (for the most part). It's a mental conundrum.

    I'm currently in a play where one of the actors has to act "flamboyantly gay", emphasis on 'act'. I've been biting my tongue for quite a while now, but I let it slide because it's called for in the script.

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    The sale at cfs ends in a little less that six hours (12 noon PST). In addition to the 35 videos that are on sale (see list in previous post or on corbinscampus), they added two more:
    • Tagging Max (Connor and Cain...)
    • Trey & Delila break in Zeb

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Does CF send an email with a tracking no. if you order UPS from them?

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    Tagging Max is really good. Max is such a sexy guy and I was disappointed when he didn't return.

    The Delia tag is Zeb's first. Makes me realize how much they may miss the bi scenes as a way to introduce a newb to anal. Also makes me realize how much I'd like to see Trey stick his big dick in Zeb!

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    ^^ Both Trey and Aiden need to do flip/flops regularly. They're both too good as tops (big dicks, solid wood) for cf to typecast them as bottoms. Both guys seem to have good recovery such that someone can fuck the cum out of them and they can turn around and perform nicely as a top. (Or at least thanks to the wonders of video editing that's how it appears. )

    A flip/flop with either of these guys and Chandler, or Quinn, would be hot. As far as that goes a Chandler Quinn flip/flop wouldn't be bad either. Chandler makes a good top but is just as good as a bottom. I'd like to see someone get multiple loads out of Chandler, or at least edge him for as long as possible - maybe Aiden fucks Chandler, while Quinn teases his dick, so that when he arches his back in reaction to Quinn's tongue action he pushes down on Aiden's cock hitting his prostrate. Ok - enough fantasy (and it went off the original topic).
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    I say the following recalling how Travis went from pure bottom to top (which wasn't a good thing!): I'd like to see Trey top a lot of the guys who have fucked him. A sexy, kissy, one-on-one with Dawson -- that could be another 'between the sheets', suggesting that when he's in town Trey shacks up with fave fuck-buddy Dawson.

    Like Travis, Trey has been blessed with a gorgeous cock -- not just big but perfectly proportioned!

    I really get-off seeing out gay guys like Quinn top straight-identified ones, like Kent -- that was a five boner scene! He tells Kent he's "beautiful" -- I'd like some more of that! That's why I think he should initiate Gentry (who seems like more of a question-mark than straight). Quinn also has a lovely cock -- nice and thick.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Quinn fuck Kent again. Say it's at Kent's request, since he loved getting fucked by him so much the first time. Then Quinn makes Kent beg for for his 'gay cock' ("tell me how much you want my gay cock in you!") like Carson and Philip did in their second scene.
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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    [QUOTE=statsguy;8718150]^^ Both Trey and Aiden need to do flip/flops regularly. They're both too good as tops (big dicks, solid wood) for cf to typecast them as bottoms. Both guys seem to have good recovery such that someone can fuck the cum out of them and they can turn around and perform nicely as a top. (Or at least thanks to the wonders of video editing that's how it appears. )

    There are two scenes I would like to see Trey cast. The first is a flip/flop with Aiden and have Connor filming.At the end when Aiden and Trey have finished fucking then Connor (I know, I know) could step in and pound another load out of Trey as Aiden kisses and sucks Trey's nipples.

    The second scene would be Trey and Kent. Trey could bottom or flip. To my knowledge Trey and Kent have only done a BI scene together back in 2011 in whick Trey bottomed for Kent. Its time they had a one-on-one!

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by I[I
    really get-off seeing out gay guys like Quinn top straight-identified ones, like Kent -- that was a five boner scene! He tells Kent he's "beautiful" -- I'd like some more of that! That's why I think he should initiate Gentry (who seems like more of a question-mark than straight). Quinn also has a lovely cock -- nice and thick.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Quinn fuck Kent again. Say it's at Kent's request, since he loved getting fucked by him so much the first time. Then Quinn makes Kent beg for for his 'gay cock' ("tell me how much you want my gay cock in you!") like Carson and Philip did in their second scene[/I].
    I SECOND the part about Quinn fucking Kent .... with the addition of Quinn dropping his hot creamy gay jizz into both Kent's hot mouth AND his hot ass - that would be awesome and delicious. Obviously I have a thing for Kent!!!!!
    Last edited by ChaseO310; February 19th, 2013 at 02:04 PM. Reason: spell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrock-JD View Post
    Does CF send an email with a tracking no. if you order UPS from them?
    The last time I purchased a dvd from cf (a little over a year ago), they provided a receipt for the purchase which included an order #, billing/shipping information, description of the items, and how the item was going to ship, but no tracking information. I looked to see if there was a separate email later to provide the tracking information and didn't find one.

    I hope that is of help. I'm sorry it took so long to reply, but I had to wander through old email folders to find the last time I purchased anything directly from cf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaseO310 View Post
    I SECOND the part about Quinn fucking Kent .... with the addition of Quinn dropping his hot creamy gay jizz into both Kent's hot mouth AND his hot ass - that would be awesome and delicious. Obviously I have a thing for Kent!!!!!
    Wouldn't it be ironic if Kent, who I always considered one of the most obvious gay4pay models, proved to be gay after all. Kent definitely progressed -- and quickly at that -- with regard to what he did. Remember when he said he'd never rim -- until his next scene with Tristan?
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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by statsguy View Post
    The last time I purchased a dvd from cf (a little over a year ago), they provided a receipt for the purchase which included an order #, billing/shipping information, description of the items, and how the item was going to ship, but no tracking information. I looked to see if there was a separate email later to provide the tracking information and didn't find one.

    I hope that is of help. I'm sorry it took so long to reply, but I had to wander through old email folders to find the last time I purchased anything directly from cf.
    Thank you, statsguy. That's what I've gotten from them too. Now I know not to expect a tracking number. I've been spoiled by Amazon.


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    ^^ I suspect that if you contact cf (using their web contact page) someone at cf will look it up and email you the tracking information. The last I knew cf did all their own product management and shipping. I almost always get a response back within 48 hours from them.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    ^ Thanks again. I sent them an email requesting the tracking number.

    I'd like to know what day to expect the UPS dude.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Corbin Fisher sent the tracking number lickity split.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhunkSpunk View Post
    I say the following recalling how Travis went from pure bottom to top (which wasn't a good thing!): I'd like to see Trey top a lot of the guys who have fucked him. A sexy, kissy, one-on-one with Dawson -- that could be another 'between the sheets', suggesting that when he's in town Trey shacks up with fave fuck-buddy Dawson.

    Like Travis, Trey has been blessed with a gorgeous cock -- not just big but perfectly proportioned!

    I really get-off seeing out gay guys like Quinn top straight-identified ones, like Kent -- that was a five boner scene! He tells Kent he's "beautiful" -- I'd like some more of that! That's why I think he should initiate Gentry (who seems like more of a question-mark than straight). Quinn also has a lovely cock -- nice and thick.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Quinn fuck Kent again. Say it's at Kent's request, since he loved getting fucked by him so much the first time. Then Quinn makes Kent beg for for his 'gay cock' ("tell me how much you want my gay cock in you!") like Carson and Philip did in their second scene.
    Funny how SC has been having much success with the opposite set-up: a willing and interested "straight" guy like Abe or Brandon or Peter doing a gay boy like Joshua or Ryan. The top is clearly very turned on by the prospect of having this hot gay boy do him and the bottom is turned on by the thought of being done by this big muscular top.

    Another point -- something discussed on here in the past-- is how much the environment at Camp Corbin makes experimentation seem like good clean fun. You're Kent, you're spending two weeks with Dawson and Connor, both of whom are quite masculine and flirt with (maybe even sometimes sleep with) women, but who talk about how good gay sex feels and how much they dig being with a guy. Subtle pressure, and never overt, but suddenly your qualms about getting fucked dissipate, because your new buddies-- and everyone else you meet at Camp Corbin-- seems to find it so much fun.

    Just a thought.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by TommyPaine View Post
    Another point -- something discussed on here in the past-- is how much the environment at Camp Corbin makes experimentation seem like good clean fun. You're Kent, you're spending two weeks with Dawson and Connor, both of whom are quite masculine and flirt with (maybe even sometimes sleep with) women, but who talk about how good gay sex feels and how much they dig being with a guy. Subtle pressure, and never overt, but suddenly your qualms about getting fucked dissipate, because your new buddies-- and everyone else you meet at Camp Corbin-- seems to find it so much fun.
    Of course. The environment and how other people around you behave have great influence on your perception of things. Kent and many other guys on CF have been positively encouraged to have sex with another guy - often by the same guys who were in the same position not a few month ago. In any other group or place, the guys around them would've joked and called any same-sexual activity as gross and what-not, keeping them from ever experimenting.

    In a way, gay porn has or is revolutionizing male sexuality and their behavior. Many still desperately claim it's all just about the money, but a lot of these guys - to me - seem to have a little too much fun with it and I doubt there is so much money flowing with everyone always crying there is no extra money to spend on luxuries such as porn...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Of course. The environment and how other people around you behave have great influence on your perception of things. Kent and many other guys on CF have been positively encouraged to have sex with another guy - often by the same guys who were in the same position not a few month ago. In any other group or place, the guys around them would've joked and called any same-sexual activity as gross and what-not, keeping them from ever experimenting.

    In a way, gay porn has or is revolutionizing male sexuality and their behavior. Many still desperately claim it's all just about the money, but a lot of these guys - to me - seem to have a little too much fun with it and I doubt there is so much money flowing with everyone always crying there is no extra money to spend on luxuries such as porn...
    I wasn't going to chime in on this but I just have to. The argument that straight guys can be converted into gay guys by virtue of their environment is the same argument that is used against gay people by the religious right. It's the same argument used to oppose gay marriage and equal rights and plays into the idea that being gay is a choice somehow.

    It saddens me that we would entertain this idea about our own kind and about the Men we fantasize about.

    Why is it so abhorrent that a handsome, muscular, attractive young man cannot be a high functioning and sexually adventurous, Masculine Gay Man? Why does he always have to be gay4pay or experimenting?

    I just don't buy any of this and that somehow "Dawson and Connor" have magical powers that can make Men gay. It's about as plausible as Santa, the Easter Bunny and in the words of Dan Savage- the sky fairy aka God.
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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Davon at CFSelect (with Conner) looks really good. This is the first new guy who really looks like he's into bottoming since... Josh??! He's definately no Gay4Pay!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuxwell View Post
    I wasn't going to chime in on this but I just have to. The argument that straight guys can be converted into gay guys by virtue of their environment is the same argument that is used against gay people by the religious right. It's the same argument used to oppose gay marriage and equal rights and plays into the idea that being gay is a choice somehow.

    It saddens me that we would entertain this idea about our own kind and about the Men we fantasize about.
    It's not so much conversion as it is equal sexual exploration done on their own, but on an accelerated path. If these guys stayed in their small towns living their life according to Leave It To Beaver, there would have never been a personal sexual discovery. Being on a [gay] porn set or living with other sexually adventurous guys helps them do what society has always dissuaded them to do, going against their socio-religious upbringing.

    Quote Originally Posted by fuxwell View Post
    Why is it so abhorrent that a handsome, muscular, attractive young man cannot be a high functioning and sexually adventurous, Masculine Gay Man? Why does he always have to be gay4pay or experimenting?

    I just don't buy any of this and that somehow "Dawson and Connor" have magical powers that can make Men gay. It's about as plausible as Santa, the Easter Bunny and in the words of Dan Savage- the sky fairy aka God.
    They are not "making the guys gay", they are simply easing them into accepting their bi side or helping them come out their own special way, because both of them have embraced it and shown that it's a-okay.

    At the same time, these guys may still *identify* as straight but have accepted that sometimes they like having sex with another guy for whatever reason. I've been with guys like that and I believe they are simply a product of social norms and the inability to move away from traditional forms.

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    I think that your argument still errs on the side of the "gay is a choice" argument and that these "stars" and indeed the "campus" has magical powers. If this is the case then one could also argue that if you worked with enough gay men then they would somehow get you so comfortable that you'd have sex with them. Doesn't sound likely.

    You simply cannot influence someone's sexuality like that.

    Keep in mind that porn is fantasy and for that matter so are the models and the environments. It's naive to believe everything that is served up to you. The models are all portrayed as squeaky clean and studying advanced degrees however as they grow older we find that most of this has not been true. Have you ever noticed the font that CF uses on its websites? It's the same as Ralph Lauren. The photography? Abercrombie and Fitch. Using American college expressions like "Deans list And student body" is clever and subliminal marketing.

    The whole "Corbin's Campus" thing gives you the idea that there is a vast multi million dollar home on sprawling grounds where these guys live and yet there are only ever 3 or 4 different rooms these guys fuck in. Same with Sean Cody.

    I'm afraid to disappoint you but the reality of this is far removed from the fantasy. Dawson and Connor cannot influence the sexuality of these models and Corbin's Campus is a suburban home in the suburbs of Las Vegas. For a dose of reality, have a look at street view for the business address at the front of the videos. Not very glamorous.

    Sorry mate- Dawson, Connor etc are just gay Men with very good bodies who know how to work it for the camera and fuck a girl occasionally too.
    Last edited by fuxwell; February 20th, 2013 at 04:49 AM.

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    I never said these guys choose to be gay, but they choose to act on it, just like a gay man chooses to act on expressing his sexuality, coming out and living as a gay man out in the open, or a woman choosing to live her life as a nun even though she can have and enjoy sex with a man regardless whether she chooses to enter into a relationship with him.

    Most of what they present in gay porn is BS, especially the write-ups, but the fact the guys *have* and *enjoy* sex with each other (which way ever) is undeniable. I look past the fantasy and look at the reality these guys live. The environment - which they have the choice to enter or leave, no gun-pointing or threats - allows them to explore their sexuality. Is there expreience flawless? No, but it's en experience that can open their minds on sex. What they identify themselves after the act is their business, but that doesn't change the fact that some of them do enjoy what they do to some extent (when you take the pressure of filming away).

    I've never said Dawson, Connor, etc. can influence the other guys' sexuality, I don't know where you get that from. All I'm saying is that the veterans break the guys' belief that sex with another guy is wrong or gross, something many people in the real world still believe. As long as their straight acting buddy (and I use that term lightly) can do it with a smile, there's nothing wrong with it, especially if you get paid in the end.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Imagine being able to act on your fantasy every night of the week, fucking and getting fucked, enjoying it, falling asleep with the likes of Kent in your arms, or Trey (and the taste of them on your tongue) and ... getting paid for it as a bonus .... Delicious~

  43. #1093

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    OMG! Multiple posters challenging this thread's dogma that all these guys are G4P. Oh the humanity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I never said these guys choose to be gay, but they choose to act on it, just like a gay man chooses to act on expressing his sexuality, coming out and living as a gay man out in the open, or a woman choosing to live her life as a nun even though she can have and enjoy sex with a man regardless whether she chooses to enter into a relationship with him.

    Most of what they present in gay porn is BS, especially the write-ups, but the fact the guys *have* and *enjoy* sex with each other (which way ever) is undeniable. I look past the fantasy and look at the reality these guys live. The environment - which they have the choice to enter or leave, no gun-pointing or threats - allows them to explore their sexuality. Is there expreience flawless? No, but it's en experience that can open their minds on sex. What they identify themselves after the act is their business, but that doesn't change the fact that some of them do enjoy what they do to some extent (when you take the pressure of filming away).

    I've never said Dawson, Connor, etc. can influence the other guys' sexuality, I don't know where you get that from. All I'm saying is that the veterans break the guys' belief that sex with another guy is wrong or gross, something many people in the real world still believe. As long as their straight acting buddy (and I use that term lightly) can do it with a smile, there's nothing wrong with it, especially if you get paid in the end.
    Several serious flaws in this argument

    Why would anyone in their right mind choose to do all this exploration and experimenting on camera in front of at least 2 other men under lights and for the world to see forever? Money maybe.

    How would you possibly feel comfortable and safe in doing this "exploration of yourself" when youre in the hands of Men who have barebacked scores of other men on camera for the world to share? Your examples of Dawson and Connor show scant regard for anyone else but themselves. It's just sex. That's all they can teach them.

    No Man needs his eyes open to sex. Men know what they want and they know how to get it. They dont travel to LV to a gayporn studio to find it either. The myth of the country boy living on a farm and not knowing a damn thing is long gone. What Man doesnt have fantasies about group action? gang bangs? If its offered to you - you take it. None of the SC or CF guys seem to have any challenges in this department.

    The idea that Dawson and Connor are mentors to these guys is equally fantasy. What are they going to teach them?

    I still think that you're holding on to the illusion that these straight Men arrive at the studio and by some magic performed by Dawson or Connor they are able to suddenly perform gay sex acts in front of a camera and enjoy it because all they are really doing is experimenting and the guys are just supporting them through it.

    The truth is that these are horny young gay guys. They need money and they like sex so they sign up with a studio. They are partnered with another horny young guy that they find attractive. Sex is not challenging under these circumstances. They are given a name and an identity which is managed and owned by the studio. They are even given a haircut and food and shown a good time. Maybe even an airplane trip too. A big deal if you're 22. Eventually after a while they get sick of it and move on or they stay for a while until they are too old. It's not complex and it doesn't involve magic or anyone showing them anything about it being a-ok to fuck another guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuxwell View Post
    Have you ever noticed the font that CF uses on its websites? It's the same as Ralph Lauren. The photography? Abercrombie and Fitch. Using American college expressions like "Deans list" and "student body" is clever and subliminal marketing.
    I can see the scene over at Casa de Corbin : "Chip, you maricón! Your marketing has been called "subliminal" on that god-forsaken forum. Get that fa@#£t shit out of my website! I want straight, damnit, straight. None of that subtle "clever" crap. Get to it, boy. I'll be in the shooting range." -exit to the office hallway.

    Cue site redesign to look like 2006 Ed Hardy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julesmangrove View Post
    I can see the scene over at Casa de Corbin : "Chip, you maricón! Your marketing has been called "subliminal" on that god-forsaken forum. Get that fa@#£t shit out of my website! I want straight, damnit, straight. None of that subtle "clever" crap. Get to it, boy. I'll be in the shooting range." -exit to the office hallway.

    Cue site redesign to look like 2006 Ed Hardy.
    I never said it was clever or original.

    Derivative definitely

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    I was gonna reply to that fuxwell, but I'm too tired of this topic to argue.

    You're right, I'm wrong, yadda, yadda, yadda... let's move on.

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    You don't have to look any further than the State Penitentiary to appreciate the extent to which sexuality can be driven by situation.

    The more interesting question is the extent to which the experience of pleasure might drive sexual orientation. For example, when I was a kid I hated all forms of 'icky' alcohol and coffee. I grew up, appreciated how each modified my mood, and developed first a taste for them, and then a discriminating palate. I prefer lighter roasts to French, scotch to bourbon, etc. So it may be with men: Daddy Mugs is Four Roses, Zeb single-barrel 18 year-old Macallan.

    I think the age at which you are introduced to something may be key: people I know who don't drink at thirty will never develop a taste for it. Some of them try, but they never get it. '86 Romanee Conti tastes like sour grape juice to them. Alcohol makes them woozy, coffee jumpy. So perhaps these 18-20 year-old guys doing gay4pay are unwittingly developing a new appetite.

    I appreciate that this hypothesis completely contradicts what I said earlier about the more mature SC models being jaded by pussy and looking for something naughtier.
    Last edited by PhunkSpunk; February 20th, 2013 at 12:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I was gonna reply to that fuxwell, but I'm too tired of this topic to argue.

    You're right, I'm wrong, yadda, yadda, yadda... let's move on.
    Then why did you not just refrain from posting? I hate the constant pressure here for people to not post dissenting views.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Glad Davon's back getting fucked good and hard! I was afraid he was going to be a one-fuck wonder, like sexy Thad.

    I love seeing a hot gay boy who appreciates a big dick!

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