didn't mean to offend you as an actor... i'm no actor myself, and i was just basing off of what i experience as a viewer.Depends who you work for and how you go at a scene. If there's little to no direction it can feel like real sex, just with an audience, but if there's too many breaks just to get the position or camera angle right, then the realness can fade. Though, even in real sex, there can be so many position changes, you'll feel like you're just demoing the actual sex.
The Latin straight guys Matthias von Fistenberg works with are quite different than the straight guys some of the American studios do or Georges Duroy in Czechoslovakia does. Some have a "let's do it" attitude and jump right in, others need their hand held every step. And then there's all the gay and bi guys that can fly through a scene with ease while others are never comfortable with the environment. It's not that simple to generalize.
Also, if you compare porn with proper acting, I, as a trained actor, feel a bit offended. Stage and film acting is nowhere near the same as taking off your clothes, posing for the camera and then taking a dick up your ass in 1-2-3. It can have the feel of acting for an audience, I give you that, but the training, the approach and execution of the material is worlds apart.
i hope to make it clear that i'm not saying that models can't enjoy/breeze through a scene, i'm saying that what we see in a final product has no bearing on what the model does in the privacy of his/her own home. it was response to all the "all guys in gay porn must be gay!" statements.
i was trying to make the whole "sexual behavior does not denote sexual orientation" argument.
but i still don't think porn is real sex.
if someone gave me an inordinate amount of money and pointed to some attractive stranger and said "have sex with him", and i consented, no matter how i enjoyed it i still wouldn't consider it as real sex. i would have considered it a business transaction.
this, of course is my own opinion, and its one that i've developed after reading/listening to various pornstar interviews over the years. feel free to disagree.
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On one side you have the bareback circuit and the S/M scene, which are well and alive in every urban culture, and on the other side you have the kissy boyfriend sex you see (or used to see) in big shot porn videos or sporadically in internet porn. And some men are courageous or horny enough to do that for a bit or a lot of money (or even free!), often changing their views of sex or their private sexual behavior with experience. Even I've had times when I felt the real sex I've had was faker than what I've seen in porn and I wished I could've walked away with a couple of Franklins.
At the same time, I will admit that we'll never know how the guys really feel but to some extent I can often see genuine physical affection between them - even if only superficial - which proves that most of these guys do this also out of curiosity and discover that it's ain't a bad thing either.
Sexuality and sexual behavior are hard to analyze and personalize, but then again, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
I have lots of clients that are also friends, or become friends (No, i'm not in the sex biz). That's nice, but I didn't take them as clients because I wanted to be their friend. They became clients because we offer a service that they were willing to pay for. If we become friends, it's a nice extra benefit.
All I'm saying is that there may be some cf models that, in part, model for cf due to curiosity, but that can't be proved just because they have a good scene with another model. Likewise, even if it were true for "some" of the models, that would not be sufficient to say that it's true for "most" of the models.
** - now I do have this mental picture of you running into a past SC or CF performer (or even CM, since some of those guys seem very, very straight) and screaming at his face, "YOU DON'T EXIST! YOU'RE NOT REAL! YOU'RE JUST A FIGMENT OF THE IMAGINATION OF THOSE HORRIBLE GAYS WHO DON'T THINK LIKE I DO!"
As an aside, I would think that a guy who does gay porn but says he's straight isn't secretly gay, but so super-duper-comfortable with his own heterosexuality that he can just get on with the job (and not be threatened or challenged by the act of having sex with someone he's not really attracted to), so to speak. Why are you so threatened by the acknowledgement that sometimes this might actually happen? "But it never does and you're all just deluding yourselves" and you have magic telepathic powers that confirm every so-called straight guy is actually gay or bi or whatever? Right. Got it. Thanks.
Of course, I can only compare it with myself. Am I willing to explore sex with a woman for money? No, because I have no need for the extra cash and I'm not curious about it. Hence, there can only be two reasons why someone does it and unfortunately, most people are pouncing on the cash part while forgetting that many guys actually admit from the start wanting to get into porn because they love sex and are curious about the whole experience, and who's to say they aren't curious about doing it with a guy along the way?
As for the argument about the genuine moments between the guys. Many of them say they are more comfortable with it if they know the guy a bit better and along the way they do become friends and confidantes over time but don't they say that sex ruins the friendship? So which way do we go from here?
I'm probably talking in circles here, but it's late and I'm tired...
That's not true though. There are many potential (and more likely) reasons. Let's look at archetypes of G4P performers:
Archetype 1 (Denialers):They are in denial about their sexuality. For some reason, they are not comfortable identifying themselves with the gay or even bisexual lifestyle. They see it as something in which does not represent their life or sexual choices. They enjoy gay sex, but label gay people as having a certain type of lifestyle which does not fit them, thus they identify as straight. These people are afraid of the implications of being identified as a homosexual person if anyone found out. These people can last in the industry for a long time if they keep deluding themselves. If in the industry long enough, they will come to a certain point: Either the hipocracy will be too much for them and they will leave the industry, cut all ties, and continue to deny their sexuality and call themselves straight, or they will accept themselves as gay. If you see these people making many porn scenes on a consistent basis, and suddenly stop, this might be a reason.
Archetype 2 (Desperators).They are completely desperate. The VAST majority of "heterosexual" men would not lower themselves to the level of doing gay porn, but these men are so desperate for cash, that they will do anything. Suprisingly, some of these people are gay, (gay people can get desperate too)These are not people who like to do what they do, and they generally don't last in the porn industry long because they are simply there for the cash. If you see them come back, it's because they are desperate need of money. A key indicator is if it is revealed that they are addicted to drugs, or are prostituting... er "escorting" on the side or have been arrested for violence/drug posession/weapon posession/etc.
Archetype 3 (The Relaxers). They are incredibly lazy/stupid/ don't really take porn seriously. Either they don't understand the implication of doing porn or they don't care, but they see this as a quick way to make money without truly seeing the effect it will have on their future. They identify as straight because they have always identified as straight and didn't really question their sexuality before. They will stay in the industry for as long as its profitable. IF they are there for long enough, they'll slowly realize that gay sex is pretty pleasurable and internally recognize that they could have sex with men in their private life if they wanted. If they are honest with themselves they would identify as bisexual, bi-curious, or "hetero-flexible".
These archetypes don't say anything about the studio that may want them to fit into a category in which they don't belong.
New Sale! Just bought Marc pounds Landon (Landon is HOT! Is he gonna come back?), Cumming in Cameron and Quinn rides Marc. There's more, check it out.
Geesh you guys really know how to beat a dead horse. -_-
- Aiden & Chandler under the covers
- Aiden eats two loads (Aiden fucks Blake)
- Aidenís triple load (Connor fucks..)
- Blake fucks Quinn
- Blindsided by Marc (marc and Dawson flip/flop)
- Cain creampies Reed
- Cain fucks Duncan & Danielle
- Cain fucks Taylor
- Cain nails Cort
- Cameron and Harper get wet (flip/flop
- Carter and his boyfriend
- Carter creampies Dawson
- Chandler and Cain flip/flop
- Chandler nails Trey
- Chuck swallow a load (Connor fucks Chuck)
- Comeron & Chaseís bi tag team
- Cory fucks Kurt
- Cumming in Cameron (Marc & Cameron flip/flop
- Derek and Trevorís flip/flop
- Dominating Aiden (Kent
- Fucking Tanner (tom
- Fucking Trent (Dawson fucks..)
- Gab fucks Logan
- Harper fucks Riley and Courtney
- Harper nails Marc
- Marc pounds on Landon
- Philip takes Carsonís load
- Quinn rides Marc
- Reece rides Chandler
- Reed & Jonís Bi tag team
- Reed takes Tomís load (tom fucks Reed)
- Roughing Russ UP
- Travis takes Kenny
- Trey and Harperís flip/flop
- Tyson piledrives Zeb
Lazy: There are SO MANY things that people can do to make money that don't involve spreading your legs. There are low skill jobs that pay money (cashier/waiter/mcdonalds server). People who choose porn to make money as opposed to anything else are Lazy. They want the money, but only want to work a day or two for it. That's the sacrifice that they are willing to make.
Stupid/ don't care about the future: These people don't realize that porn doesn't go away. It will follow them for the rest of their life and beyond. If they don't care about that downside, then they probably don't plan on finding a respectable job (i.e. a job that requires a certain amount of discretion and poise). If they were trying to find a respectable job, then they would have been smart enough to know that porn could definitely get in the way.
^^ According to corbinscampus, the cfs sale of all of the above videos will continue until Tuesday, 2013-Feb-19 at noon (us-pst).
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Quinn may be the luckiest homo on the planet! If I were 18 and hot, I'd model in a heartbeat, consequences be damned!
I really hope they let him open-up Gentry!
I just watched a bukakke boys orgy scene. I could so easily see Cameron doing one of those. He'd get into the dirtiness of it!
Gentry is adorable, love to see him a lot more!
I may be bad, but I'm perfectly good at it.
In Tyson piledrives Zeb at which point does Tyson call Zeb a fag? I've watched the scene a few times now and never heard it, but remember it was mentioned at the time the scene was released on here.
^^ How's your Spanish? According to JasonCrew (post# 552 on 2013-Jan-25) Tyson called Zeb a fag in Spanish in the video. I don't even know how to say fag in Spanish, so I don't notice it.
What got my attention was when they started to fuck and Zeb sat down on Tyson's dick and as he did Tyson said, "That slide right in there you little whore." I lol'd it but thought it was a little strange. And then when they switched fucking positions, getting ready to pile drive, Tyson said to Zeb, "Get on the ground, bitch." I could have done without that as well. I noticed last week in Bradley's introduction with Corbin present Bradley said, "He's (Aiden) going to be my bitch." Corbin quickly said we don't say things like that around here.
maricone, i think.
My guess is that the Tyson/Zeb scene was set-up before hand. Not scripted but more like 'how do you guys feel about doing this in your scene?'. Seeing as Tyson is 'rough' and Zeb 'pretty', I though it worked. I could easily imagine a 'classic' 70-80's porn scene with a 'construction worker' walking-in on a practicing 'sissy violinist'. As I said before, I think the rules of etiquette, including pissy political correctness, extinguish in the boudoir. So long as the rules apply once you've cum. I mean, if it makes for hot sex (or in this case hot porn).
'Willis' is my porn crush du jour! One thing I like about SC is that the guys come off as being more authentically 'curious'. The fact that a lot of them seem older (Willis looks like he won't see 30 again) lends to the suspicion that there may be something afoot here other than a quick money. Willis was just so comfortable -- too comfortable -- with the cuddly stuff. Awesome shower kiss at the end! Strongly suggested a round-2 when the camera crew had left (I wonder if that ever really happens?)
I wish CF would raise the age-bar a bit to permit the occasional Willis -- perhaps on Select. I'd love to see his thick dick plow Dawson!
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Ashton & Cameron: I still get too much of a "I'm only here for the money!" vibe from Ashton, so I'll probably pass.
Cameron's kind of a question mark for me. Of course he says he's not gay but I think he's an exhibitionist into being dirty. My operating fantasy about Cam is "yeah, I like to suck dick. You got a problem with that, mac? We can take it outside if you want!" So long as he continues to make decent porn.
While I still think the majority of these guys are straight in their personal lives, I at least like be able to imagine otherwise when I am watching a scene
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You and I seem to have very similar sexual tastes and preferences, Phunk. I've even come around to appreciating Kenny. If you're ever in NYC, bud...
I also wanted to weigh in in favor of Manipulation's Jungian chart - that seems pretty accurate to me. I'd also add that the Relaxers aren't all that hung up about their sexuality as their not very self-reflective and if they wound up with a guy instead of a girl, they'd be a little surprised, but not conflicted. Connor, Lucas, SC's Brandon all seem to fall into that boat.
And finally, for the umpteenth time, we will never know these guys true sexuality, because most of the time they don't know it themselves. They're 19 or 20, and more than a little confused. The repeaters have figured out that gay sex feels good and that moves them closer to the middle of the Kinsey scale, but whether that becomes a lifelong itch they need to scratch is anyone's guess.
Haigan/Tyson may look hot but he fucks very run-of-the-mill. He reminds me of why straight porn is just not sexy (at least the kind I've been exposed to so far).
I still need to catch up on SC this year, but I've been saying for months the guys there *are* there because (of what) they can do (with) each other. I just wish they wouldn't try to outdo each scene prior and let them have the sex their way, and they should get a new decorator... I can't look at that bed, bath & beyond crap anymore.
MISS U DRU
zane. we all know he's gay. he hasn't figured it out yet.because most of the time they don't know it themselves.
cameron. maybe more than scratching an itch. something tells me he's a classic bridge-and-tunnel saturday night gay fix at splash or now xl type. puts on his gints or yankees cap and heads back to jersey at first light, his ass satisfied.
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Hmmm. This is the most interesting thing I've read tonight.
Austin's a harder read. We know he has a girlfriend (and that was a point of contention between the two of them, wasn't it?), and he always seemed into Zane, but not really any other guy he did a scene with. I'd imagine he considered Zane a close friend, and was into Zane because Zane was so completely into him. But no other guy ever entered his mind.
I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry...
Bryan, who runs ChaosMen (a site which has never sold itself as using "amateur straight guys") specifically talks about this in the site's FAQ. He says that yeah, sometimes he doesn't believe it when a guy identifies himself as straight, but then he watches that guy get off to straight porn. Bryan also mentions that ninety percent of the men on this planet are heterosexual, and that if you were running a gay-porn-website for over a decade and limiting yourself to only gay models, you'd run out of models quickly.
The point is, you've proven on multiple occasions, just in dialogue with me, that you won't even listen to the people who actually do have knowledge of this. How many scenes have you worked on with that model from SC? How many years have you run a gay porn website? None, is it? So why the hell should anyone respect anything you have to say when you've proven on multiple occasions that you will not accept any viewpoint (even those from knowledgeable sources) that doesn't line up with your own? And you have the gall to stand there and stomp your feet and lecture someone else because of their refusal to accept reality? Really? You're seriously saying these things? I promise you, with my hand clasped tightly around my dick, that you won't have to deal with me yelling at you ever again, because even I'm tired of this (and I imagine everyone else is, too).
I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry...
The 90/10 ratio isn't even a reliable statistic because it's well known that people are never honest about themselves when it count (especially if it threatens their job or relationships). Just looking at some personals or CraigsList even shows there's a heap load of men who are open for sex with other men but not open to share it with the world... or their girlfriend/wife.
I know, there's the whole "men who have sex with men" movement, but to me that sounds like a load of bollocks. It's basically a term coined by the same men who cannot divorce themselves from the heteronormative world they created to stay in control over their masculinity. G4P porn is the only way they can do it openly without being scrutinized, not until they reveal how much money they make.
By the way, quite a few past and current CM models are pretty openly bi or gay now.
BTW, I think your attempt at self-righteousness is hysterical.
And let me know when you'll be back. At the very least, I can buy you a drink.
G4P: Uncle Corby's problem is that he keeps finding boys who aren't into it. That wasn't a problem in the old days: Lucas may identify as straight, but at some point he decided that having sex with guys was fun and you can see that enthusiasm - Noah Fucks Lucas is a great example, as Lucas had more than a little mancrush on Noah. SeanCody's newest stable has a bunch of guys like that - Abe, Brandon and Ashton - who really seem to get into fucking another guy. It may be acting, but there's chemistry there.
Still waiting for the latest CFSelects to go on sale... everything starting with Quinn and Trey.