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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    I don't consider things said during sex to be anything other than a means to getting off. If Tyson called Zeb - or anyone - a fag outside of a sex scene, I would have a problem with that. I don't think CF would allow the use of that word were it not in the context of a scene. Hopefully.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by bike10 View Post
    Like to see more black jocks in CF.
    CF has cast a few but the general subscribers didn't take to them, hence their departure. I'm sure it isn't for the lack of attraction to models of color but they just don't fit into the CF wheelhouse.
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  3. #553

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    Interesting discussion, interesting board

    I was reading through last year's board and this one coming into the discussion, so this may not make sense, but I had a couple of theories on this quality issue that I thought I'd join in on...

    First, wouldn't it seem like having permanent long term members cuts down on the ability to keep bringing in fresh talent? The longer some of the "stars" stay, the more they may want a raise, a share of the profit, etc. So if a lot of these long timers are expected to be in rotation, that might be part of the problem... with high turnover, a new person never knows what others were paid, can be quickly replaced, lots of fresh faces... this all star system would make all of that more difficult, yes?

    I also wonder about this campus model. If you want "freshmen" to look like "freshmen", it narrows your recruiting, doesn't it? I used to think the high number of short guys was designed to add to that young look (or not to make Dawson look like one of the short ones), but we've had bigger guys come in, so maybe it's not the case, but SC is going to have a bigger pool to choose from if they're not going for that freshmen look.

    It also makes you wonder what this screening process is like if the rumors of the controlling "compound" quality is really also affecting recruiting, what types it takes to get through...

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    I should also say about Tyson... Did anyone think it looked like Connor was not enthusiastic about kissing him? The homophobic talk additionally raises question about whether they really need models that badly, or how Tyson made it in to the group.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by bike10 View Post
    Like to see more black jocks in CF.
    In today's Pete's Attic, Dixon says he's 1/4 black. I have a feeling Dixon will be around for a while. He is very articulate in both his PA's and shows a liking for what he does in his scenes. Plus he looks great.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyRory View Post
    In today's Pete's Attic, Dixon says he's 1/4 black.
    I believe that's the same amount of African heritage shared by Wentworth Miller.
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    I'm still missing the fag or maricone. what's the time site?

    I don't know how I feel about 'fag', but roll-playing can be hot fun! Sex is the theater for everyone, not just the poor! Nothing wrong with embracing your inner slut every now and then.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyRory View Post
    He is very articulate in both his PA's
    Just out of curiosity - for you, how does Dixon demonstrate this? I ask because in my experience, people have their own criteria of what they would consider to be an articulate way of speaking.
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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by That70sJoe View Post
    Just out of curiosity - for you, how does Dixon demonstrate this? I ask because in my experience, people have their own criteria of what they would consider to be an articulate way of speaking.
    He uses clear, precise pronunciation and complete grammatical sentences; in the first PA, at one point he corrected his adverb from good to well; and he avoids slang expressions. He sounds as if he has spent more than twelve years at school.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by jasoncrew03 View Post
    Oh. So I'm guessing nobody noticed that Tyson called Zeb a fag... I thought there would be spanish speakers besides myself lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cruncher665 View Post
    IMO, regardless of the model's being in a "submissive" position of bottom, calling that model a "dirty whore" and a "fag" is degrading and repugnant. In fact,

    I wish I could say I was shocked at CF for leaving that in a video but, previous occasions of bad taste and behavior on their part, just makes this par for the course. Along with models saying gay love is wrong, white supremacists w/tats and all, etc, etc.

    [QUOTE=michaelscarn;8662992]I don't consider things said during sex to be anything other than a means to getting off. If Tyson called Zeb - or anyone - a fag outside of a sex scene, I would have a problem with that. I don't think CF would allow the use of that word were it not in the context of a scene. Hopefully.[/QUOTE


    I do consider them. I watched this movie years ago where this AF-AM man and White Woman was hooking up and in the heat of passion she said "Fuck me with you big N**** Dick" He stopped mid-stroke and threw her ass out! Calling someone a Dirty Whore is one thing...Calling them a Fag or some such usually reserved for a specific group culturally or racially is something else entirely.

    So to me, it does count. I consider it a "Bone Killer" among other things such as a possible "Ass Kicker". getting off my cock and out my house would work in this case as something to get off of and out of.


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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyRory View Post
    He uses clear, precise pronunciation and complete grammatical sentences; in the first PA, at one point he corrected his adverb from good to well; and he avoids slang expressions. He sounds as if he has spent more than twelve years at school.
    Yep, a rarity in porn. hahaha I wish the PA broadcasts were available on CFS but no such luck.
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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyRory View Post
    In today's Pete's Attic, Dixon says he's 1/4 black. I have a feeling Dixon will be around for a while. He is very articulate in both his PA's and shows a liking for what he does in his scenes. Plus he looks great.
    Quote Originally Posted by That70sJoe View Post
    I believe that's the same amount of African heritage shared by Wentworth Miller.
    Ahh 1/4... Is that better then being HALF? What percentage is Tiger? Are we going to come up with some new term combining this 1/4 and the other races he's mixed with? It's sad that these men have such a diverse background that they NEED to explain or put out there just how much AF-AM heritage he has in his genetic make-up. It's also sad that in America it only takes 1 drop to be labeled AF-AM. It kind of throws out the argument of only being 1/4 or just being 1/2.I wonder if he gets tired of announcing what other races he has mixed in or did they just have him make sure everyone knew he was only 1/4 AF-AM???

    Now, that he has justified his "Coloring" has there been other AF-AM models who were AF-AM have to break down what the percentage of AF-AM gene's they are made up of? I mean since basically, most of the AF-AM descended from slaves are mixed racially. Oh, Is he going and CF going to coin a term racial term ala Tiger Woods " Blasian" or some such PC term people need to feel better about having AF-AM genes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellax24 View Post
    Ahh 1/4... Is that better then being HALF? What percentage is Tiger? Are we going to come up with some new term combining this 1/4 and the other races he's mixed with? It's sad that these men have such a diverse background that they NEED to explain or put out there just how much AF-AM heritage he has in his genetic make-up. It's also sad that in America it only takes 1 drop to be labeled AF-AM. It kind of throws out the argument of only being 1/4 or just being 1/2.I wonder if he gets tired of announcing what other races he has mixed in or did they just have him make sure everyone knew he was only 1/4 AF-AM???

    Now, that he has justified his "Coloring" has there been other AF-AM models who were AF-AM have to break down what the percentage of AF-AM gene's they are made up of? I mean since basically, most of the AF-AM descended from slaves are mixed racially. Oh, Is he going and CF going to coin a term racial term ala Tiger Woods " Blasian" or some such PC term people need to feel better about having AF-AM genes.


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    No. Most people would consider Dixon white with mixed ancestry. The proper term for half black people are mulatto.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Hellax24 View Post
    It's also sad that in America it only takes 1 drop to be labeled AF-AM. |
    Nah that happens in other countries too.

    In australia there are people who Might have a great grandparent who waS though to be indigenous, and they'll Call themselves indigenous despite their white skin and blond hair. Full blooded indigenous people get right royal pissed at them for doing ghat.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Cruncher665 View Post
    calling that model a "dirty whore"
    Ha ha How funny.

    Doesn't he realize thaT the definition of a whore is someone wHo as sex for money. That woUld also make him a whore. Regardless of whther he was top or bottom.

    There are obvIously more psychological problems for these guys than we realize.

    Id love to see a where are they now clip in 10 years time.
    Last edited by UndercoverBottom; January 25th, 2013 at 04:28 PM.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Manipulation View Post
    No. Most people would consider Dixon white with mixed ancestry. The proper term for half black people are mulatto.
    I thought biracial was more modern-day. And Dixon is a quadroon, if we want to be specific.
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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Hellax24 View Post
    It's also sad that in America it only takes 1 drop to be labeled AF-AM.
    Legally, I suppose but socially, not in my experience i.e. you have to look black to be labeled AF-AM. I don't think people would know that Dixon was black unless you told them. in that Dec. pic (at the Nevada resort), Dixon had no tan and looked completely white (like Wentworth Miller).
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    To call your partner a 'whore' or to behave like a 'slut' is part of the dirty theater of the bedroom (or wherever you happen to do the deed). I'm sure there are hetero couples of 50 years who engage in that kind of dirty talk (which is likely a reason why they lasted). Personally, I find it fun and sexy. And quite honestly I don't see how calling your partner a 'fag' in this context is different from saying 'fuck my homo ass!' (which I'm sure I've said at some point). Behind closed doors no there are no limits. Be as un-PC as you please, just so long as you're both into it. It's how you behave outside the boudoir that matters.

    Dixon: I prefer 'mixed race' or 'afro-euro' if you must supply a pedigree. Mulatto, quatroon, octroon etc. belong to the vocabulary of slavery and Jim Crow. Miscegenation. You might as well just say 'touched with the tar brush'.

    Alexander Dumas, pere was either half or a quarter black. He looks like Frederick Douglass. Aleksandr Pushkin, the father of Russian literature, was a quarter black.

  19. #569

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    Yeah, mama and papa told me
    I was crazy to stay
    I was gay in New York
    A fag in L.A.
    So I saved my money
    And I took a plane
    Wherever I go they treat me the same

    When the whip comes down!


    -Michael Phillip Jagger, CBE

  20. #570

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    Pretty amazing song for 1978

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Manipulation View Post
    No. Most people would consider Dixon white with mixed ancestry. The proper term for half black people are mulatto.
    I have never heard someone in America having a AF-AM ancester called White with a mixed heritage. NEVER. Also, if someone is AF-AM or surounded by many for years could tell Wentorth or Dixon was of Mixed heritage. Maybe non-people of color(Specifically AF-AM) would think those people who have lighter skin like Matt Rush to be white, but those ho are in the know, know!

    I think many people start and stop at Skin color though, many people of color see the skin color and facial characteristics as well and know a non-white person of color. I still LMAO when I see postings by people thinking all these years Matt Rush white and disbelieving he is actually AF-AM. After Dante, CF has proceeded to go lighter and lighter skin tone of AF-AM models they hire.Wesley was lighter then Dixon and people knew he was AF-AM. I like Dixon and hopefully he stays awhile, what I don't like is the way CF had to make a point of his heritage. I also don't like when being AF-AM doesn't seem to be good enough in porn and in some way people have to a "Special" category for people of mixed heritage not looking AF-AM( dark skin, big nose and lips, texture of hair, etc,etc.)

    As I stated above most AF-AM are mixed, yet no one brings attention to models like Dante and asks about his genetic origins.People look and see he's AF-AM and that's all. Beginning and end. I also haven't heard antiquated terms like quadroon or mulatto (which as it should be) except for slave movies. Those are not proper terms. Biracial , yes. The others, HELL NO! Just seeing those terms shows how out of touch some are, seriously who the hell uses quadroon or mulatto??? I mean what are the other 3/4 that would get him classified as a quadroon???????? I mean am I a quadroon with my mixed background though i fall on the darker side(and been told I look Puerto Rican)? I could see if he spoke about what his background would be that created his good looks (that's why I asked if he spoke about his other ancestry) or just had to specify he was only 1/4 AF-AM.

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Hellax24 View Post
    I have never heard someone in America having a AF-AM ancester called White with a mixed heritage. NEVER. Also, if someone is AF-AM or surounded by many for years could tell Wentorth or Dixon was of Mixed heritage. Maybe non-people of color(Specifically AF-AM) would think those people who have lighter skin like Matt Rush to be white, but those ho are in the know, know!
    Matt Rush looks black as does Austin Wilde; it's just not apparent with Dixon.

    I like Dixon and hopefully he stays awhile, what I don't like is the way CF had to make a point of his heritage.
    I think the only reason CF cited his racial mix was to win diversity points. No other agenda than that, IMHO.

    I also haven't heard antiquated terms like quadroon or mulatto (which as it should be) except for slave movies. Those are not proper terms. Biracial , yes. The others, HELL NO! Just seeing those terms shows how out of touch some are, seriously who the hell uses quadroon or mulatto???
    I know they're outdated I only cited quadroon to be specific about Dixon's blackness. Who the hell uses the term? Try the awesome Danish duo Quadron who are both-- wait for it--- 1/4 black.
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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by That70sJoe View Post
    Matt Rush looks black as does Austin Wilde; it's just not apparent with Dixon.



    I think the only reason CF cited his racial mix was to win diversity points. No other agenda than that, IMHO.



    I know they're outdated I only cited quadroon to be specific about Dixon's blackness. Who the hell uses the term? Try the awesome Danish duo Quadron who are both-- wait for it--- 1/4 black.
    Are the Awesome DANISH group American? Does the Danish have the same history with that term that America as far as slavery goes?

    I love it when people point out how foreign countries use terms not routed in their own countries history to try and make a point of it's use, given their limited history or understanding of it's use.

    Again, what are Dixon's other 3/4 that justify the use of that term, while your being specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statsguy View Post
    Pretty amazing song for 1978
    I think I read somewhere that it was inspired by Maplethorpe's work.

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    First of all, I know a lot of people who use the term Mulatto to describe themselves. In fact there are many websites where half black/half white people call themselves mulatto. It's being "reclaimed" just as the gay community is reclaiming "queer".

    Biracial isn't good enough, because it doesn't tell you anything about anything. It doesn't tell you what race you are mixed with. Biracial applies any mixed race group.

    The one drop rule is not legally binding in the united states. (I could be wrong, though.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhunkSpunk View Post
    I think I read somewhere that it was inspired by Maplethorpe's work.
    This song is probably more appropriate to this thread. If you changed the lyrics slightly (e.g. substitute LV for London) you could make it cf's theme song.

    Cocksucker Blues

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Manipulation View Post
    First of all, I know a lot of people who use the term Mulatto to describe themselves. In fact there are many websites where half black/half white people call themselves mulatto. It's being "reclaimed" just as the gay community is reclaiming "queer".

    Biracial isn't good enough, because it doesn't tell you anything about anything. It doesn't tell you what race you are mixed with. Biracial applies any mixed race group.


    The one drop rule is not legally binding in the united states. (I could be wrong, though.)
    I have no idea which country where they are trying to "Reclaim" the word mulatto, but it's not here in America.

    By the argument you pose then I shouldn't be using the term "AF-AM" rather I should start using a more appropriate term that has long since been put out to pastor along with Jim Crow. I'm sure you know many "White" people are trying to reclaim those good old days. You see I'm every bit as Dixon is, the difference is our skin tone. What I am getting is that what should reflect what I am called pr percieved to be depends on the level of Melanin in my skin. Calling myself quadroon or mulatto simply depends on the color of one's skin according to you.I also tan really well.

    Hell, there are white people who are born with dark skin and have no African ancestors.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0964586/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    Case in point. This is a pretty good true life story of what I referred to above.

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    I was going to put Cocksucker Blues in there. It was their final fuck-you to the nefarious promoter Allen Klein (Hesh on the Sopranos)

    Well, I'm a lonesome schoolboy
    And I just came into town
    Yeah, I'm a lonesome schoolboy
    And I just came into town
    Well, I heard so much about London
    I decided to check it out

    Well, I wait in Leicester Square
    With a come-hither look in my eye
    Yeah, I'm leaning on Nelsons Column
    But all I do is talk to the lions

    Oh where can I get my cock sucked?
    Where can I get my ass fucked?
    I may have no money,
    But I know where to put it every time

    Well, I asked a young policeman
    If he'd only lock me up for the night
    Well, I've had pigs in the farmyard,
    Some of them, some of them, they're alright
    Well, he fucked me with his truncheon
    And his helmet was way too tight

    Oh where can I get my cock sucked?
    Where can I get my ass fucked?
    I ain't got no money,
    But I know where to put it every time

    I'm a lonesome schoolboy in your town
    I'm a lonesome schoolboy


    'Whip' may have more relevance to CF & gay4pay porn in general as it's about a plucky lad in a tight situation making lemonade:

    And I'm filling a need, yeah, I'm plugging a hole
    My mama's so glad I ain't on the dole.


    And I suspect this describes what happens to most of these guys:

    I make so much money
    That I'm spending so fast


    I love what Keef said about Jagger's knighthood "I wouldn't let a member of that family near me with a stick, let alone a sword!"

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    to tie in with the mixed race theme, I'm trying to find a decent picture of Karis Jagger (Yale '91) as she's very attractive. Her mother, Marsha Hunt, was seriously foxy!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellax24 View Post
    Hell, there are white people who are born with dark skin and have no African ancestors.|
    On the other side, there's the melodramatic camp classic "Imitation of Life" (calling LFAH!):



    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052918/?ref_=sr_1

    I saw it for the first time at The Castro. It was quite an experience!

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    too late


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    ^I saw Vertigo at the Castro. Go see that movie with a theatre full of fags. Practically every line is a double entendre.

    See, I just can't get with using that term, and I'm one of them. I certainly can't get enthusiastic about a straight guy, who can obviously barely stand to be there in the first place, using it. But, I'm assuming they left it in intentionally, because subscribers just love that straight boy shit.

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    Vertigo's not my favorite Hitch (Shadow of a Doubt, Strangers on a Train (serious homo flick!), or North by Northwest) The great thing about Vertigo is that it's a love letter to SF in the fifties. Christ, what a knock out the city was back then! That amazing apartment across Sacramento from the Fairmont where Kim Novak lived. Barbara Bel Getty's studio in Russian Hill. Jimmy Stewart's place in North Beach.

    Better still, I saw Baby Jane there! Imagine 1000+ queens screaming on cue "but ya are Blanche, ya are!" Rocky Horror what? "Auntie Mame" was just as good.

    Another one that was a hoot and a half at the Castro was John Huston's "Reflections In a Golden Eye". Closet Queen Marlon Brando mumbling in a bad faux southern accent "there is much to be said about the company of mane among mane . . . " And La Liz "normal? You call that normal? She cut off her nipples with the garden sheers!"

    I have never seen "The Women" at the Castro. Talk about a bucket list item!

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    I know this is off topic but it's so freakin' funny!



    Liz Taylor was a major piece of ass!

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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Hellax24 View Post
    Are the Awesome DANISH group American? Does the Danish have the same history with that term that America as far as slavery goes?

    I love it when people point out how foreign countries use terms not routed in their own countries history to try and make a point of it's use, given their limited history or understanding of it's use.
    I don't see why non-American people with African heritage can't use these terms. Just because quadroon is antiquated doesn't mean its invalid.

    Again, what are Dixon's other 3/4 that justify the use of that term, while your being specific.
    I don't know. Did he say it on PA? As far as I'm concerned, Dixon is white. No disrespect to his 1/4 but IMHO, CF only made sure subscribers knew this so that they can say that they believe in diversity, hence the hiring of a 1/4 black model. Personally, whether it be CF, SC or RB, as examples, I don't view them as racist because they have very few minorities in their fold. If you want to watch models of Asian, Hispanic or AF-AM descent, there are sites dedicated to those ethnicities. Everybody wins.
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    Re: Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Hellax24 View Post
    Hell, there are white people who are born with dark skin and have no African ancestors.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0964586/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    Case in point. This is a pretty good true life story of what I referred to above.
    The focal point of "The Human Stain" (feat. Wentworth Miller) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308383/?ref_=sr_1 is this very issue.

    According to Wentworth Miller, the casting agent did not believe that he was part-African American like the character Coleman Silk. Miller also told the casting agent about an incident at Princeton University. While he was a student there, he published an editorial cartoon in the campus newspaper that was misconstrued as a racial slur against Professor Cornel West. Silk has a similar situation in the film. Miller faxed family pictures and articles about the controversy to prove his story. West later attended the film's premiere and made up with Miller.
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    All I can think of from reading this is that episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry refers to a mixed race couple's baby as a mulatto and gets into all sort of trouble as a result.

    The laws about one drop of black blood were repealed about 75 years ago.

    Phunk - I used to listen to Some Girls endlessly back in college. Had no idea what the lyrics on Whip were, even now, thought you were taking poetic license. Damn.. who knew?? (I did know what EJ's All The Young Girls Love Alice was about...)

    I have read the book The Human Stain, which I quite liked. is the movie worth seeing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhunkSpunk View Post

    Dixon: I prefer 'mixed race' or 'afro-euro' if you must supply a pedigree. Mulatto, quatroon, octroon etc. belong to the vocabulary of slavery and Jim Crow. Miscegenation. You might as well just say 'touched with the tar brush'.

    Alexander Dumas, pere was either half or a quarter black. He looks like Frederick Douglass. Aleksandr Pushkin, the father of Russian literature, was a quarter black.
    Another view you have seemed to overlook. Those terms are a throw back and insult of a very ugly part of American history. You seem to think this is invalid, which anyone who is an American should be able to discern that those terms do not have any place in today's America. Calling someone of African-American descendants of Slaves would very much take issue with and wouldn't be too friendly in responding to the person attempting to label them as such.

    Quote Originally Posted by That70sJoe View Post
    I don't see why non-American people with African heritage can't use these terms. Just because quadroon is antiquated doesn't mean its invalid.



    I don't know. Did he say it on PA? As far as I'm concerned, Dixon is white. No disrespect to his 1/4 but IMHO, CF only made sure subscribers knew this so that they can say that they believe in diversity, hence the hiring of a 1/4 black model. Personally, whether it be CF, SC or RB, as examples, I don't view them as racist because they have very few minorities in their fold. If you want to watch models of Asian, Hispanic or AF-AM descent, there are sites dedicated to those ethnicities. Everybody wins.
    It's more then antiquated it's downright ignorant. It's also ignorant to call Dixon white, because he isn't. He as you pointed out and CF has pointed out 1/4 AF-AM and thus, belongs to an Ethnic group where as white people are not. You also, stating he is white based on his appearance is again ignorant. You have no idea what his other lineage is an it doesn't have to be white to have his complexion. and hell yes people without a working knowledge of American history and the weight that such terms comes with and their lack of understanding plays a huge role in it's validity. It's what this country keeps striving to distance itself from and keeps falling short apparently to work past. That band may be considered cool and hip in their country over here it's not. That complete lack of understanding makes it invalid. Besides I have never heard of this group, not sure if they are popular here in America, but I'm sure if they have a fan base here, the fans have the same of understanding the seem to have. I am also a bit tired of people from other countries about the use of such terms as these and how it's not offensive in their countries.
    Also, when did I or anyone else call CF racist in this discussion? I have no idea where you are attempting to take this discussion, but realize you are the one taking it there.


    According to you even if Dixon was 3/4 AF-AM and you would consider him white because of how he looks. Victoria Rowell an AF-AM actress. had a daughter who was born with blond hair and blue eyes and according to your logic she looks white so she to you, is white. Should people go with what the mother is like the do in the Jewish community where if the mother is Jewish then the children are automatically? I went to school with a woman who is definitely AF-AM and Her BF also and had a son with Blond Hair and Blue eyes but according to you he's white.

    Quote Originally Posted by That70sJoe View Post
    The focal point of "The Human Stain" (feat. Wentworth Miller) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308383/?ref_=sr_1 is this very issue.

    According to Wentworth Miller, the casting agent did not believe that he was part-African American like the character Coleman Silk. Miller also told the casting agent about an incident at Princeton University. While he was a student there, he published an editorial cartoon in the campus newspaper that was misconstrued as a racial slur against Professor Cornel West. Silk has a similar situation in the film. Miller faxed family pictures and articles about the controversy to prove his story. West later attended the film's premiere and made up with Miller.
    I have no idea what your babbling about here, I'm not sure you do either. As I posted above people of color call tell another person of color because of being surrounded by family member's who have varying skin complexions, it's the non-people of color who cannot discern these types because as you keep showing us, that the majority of them look no further then skin color. Dixon have the complexion he does in your eyes from your post is "White" no if's and's or but's about it, which is not true or a fact. Unless you know what other genetic make-up he carries you cannot wipe away his ethnic heritage, I'm sure he would be offended if anyone did attempting to "White-Wash" him to satisfy yourself.

    I pointed out a story about how a person who is white can be born and looks black, but isn't black simply to show that everything not everyone cannot just be thrown in to a category just by their appearance. You then posted about a movie about an AF-AM man "Passing" to justify your use of terms that any reasonably intelligent person born and raised in America wouldn't use because of it's negative(rightfully so) connotations. People couldn't believe that Vin Diesel was part AF-AM, also the same goes for Dewayne "The Rock" Johnson is part AF-AM. Labeling people to make yourself and others like you a specific type just doesn't work in this day and age. People like Vin Diesel,Wentworth,Jennifer Beals,etc will be quick to let people know they are indeed AF-AM or Mixed race and not deny their African heritage because it is indeed very much a valued and valid part of their being.

    As I said above, CF discussing Dixon ancestry to get a better picture of his exotic looks, but to just state he is 1/4 AF-AM and not giving us a full picture touch on a raw nerve about how they go about handling there ethnic models.In cases like these and people not being in the know about a models mixed heritage is about them beginning and ending with the color of their skin shows just how far this country has yet to go in terms of race relations inside and out of porn and the people who watch it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by That70sJoe View Post
    I thought biracial was more modern-day. And Dixon is a quadroon, if we want to be specific.

    It is, mulatto is considered offensive by many.

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    I had no idea my "1/4 black" would raise so much comment. Maybe I had better give you more context.

    Pete, Trey, and Dixon are watching the scene in which Trey bottoms for Dixon.

    Trey: (watching himself sit on Dixon's cock) "Gettin' on that chocolate! What ethnicity are you?"

    Dixon: "I'm three-quarters Caucasian and one-quarter African-American."

    Trey: "Looks good on you."

    Dixon: "It's a good mix. I like it."

    From there they go back to discussing the scene. Pete never said a word on the subject.

    My only observation is that mixed race is so common most big cities that it is no longer remarkable at all, just interesting sometimes, as in the case of Trey's question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruncher665 View Post
    I wonder how amenable Corbin would be to suggestion, were it forthcoming.
    This is Corbin. Probably not very, I'd hazard a guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelscarn View Post
    I don't consider things said during sex to be anything other than a means to getting off. If Tyson called Zeb - or anyone - a fag outside of a sex scene, I would have a problem with that.
    I don't speak for anyone else, but no. I despise the term. Hate it, unequivocally. I could stand to live without hearing it, even in a sex scene with two guys who are intent on pounding the crap out of each other. Not a fan, no. And I think, if I was with someone who started shouting that at me, he'd be getting kicked headfirst out the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyRory View Post
    I had no idea my "1/4 black" would raise so much comment. Maybe I had better give you more context.

    Pete, Trey, and Dixon are watching the scene in which Trey bottoms for Dixon.

    Trey: (watching himself sit on Dixon's cock) "Gettin' on that chocolate! What ethnicity are you?"

    Dixon: "I'm three-quarters Caucasian and one-quarter African-American."

    Trey: "Looks good on you."

    Dixon: "It's a good mix. I like it."

    From there they go back to discussing the scene. Pete never said a word on the subject.

    My only observation is that mixed race is so common most big cities that it is no longer remarkable at all, just interesting sometimes, as in the case of Trey's question.
    In the initial intro they say he is Half-White and Half-AF-AM not sure why if he isn't that it was written that way. That is what threw me at first, making it seem that they were breaking it down to the least denomination. Seeing as Trey referred to Dixon's cock as Chocolate(not big on that reference either) and he doesn't just see himself as white. When I think of people doing things like that I see them as being ashamed of that part of themselves. I don't see it or hear it much these days. I was shocked a couple years ago when MTV did a true Life show and one girl in high school had not divulged she was part AF-AM, I think she was Half-AF-AM. Pissed me off, but she was a mess anyway so I didn't care much to hear her story.

    It also threw me that since he was mixed he obviously had gone to a tanning salon. He likes being darker which also says he's into more ethnic looking. Really who knows this about people and still attempt to call him white just baffles me.However, people saying he's white rather then Biracial or Racially Mixed attempts to exclude that fact and there is an issue of people just going by color. How do you learn about others heritage by not getting to know all aspects of their ancestry an culture by just seeing someone's color which really doesn't begin to cover people's life and experiences.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellax24 View Post
    Seeing as Trey referred to Dixon's cock as Chocolate(not big on that reference either) and he doesn't just see himself as white. When I think of people doing things like that I see them as being ashamed of that part of themselves.
    Honestly, you don't think you're being just a little too hyper-sensitive here? None of that sounds terribly offensive. *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyRory View Post
    Trey: (watching himself sit on Dixon's cock) "Gettin' on that chocolate! What ethnicity are you?"
    See, if someone said that to me (which thank god has never happened) they would get the dumbest look and WTF face.

    As for Lucas' scene with Dante when he said "And Ive never, EVER slept with a black guy...or girl for that matter!" also made me give an eyeroll. On a site that already kinda has a bad rep with black models why do you have to point it out and make it even more apparent and awkward? More-so act like its a Wonderball and your anticipating to see what prize you will get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanWakePlayer23 View Post
    As for Lucas' scene with Dante when he said "And Ive never, EVER slept with a black guy...or girl for that matter!" also made me give an eyeroll. On a site that already kinda has a bad rep with black models why do you have to point it out and make it even more apparent and awkward? More-so act like its a Wonderball and your anticipating to see what prize you will get.
    You are greatly exaggerating that exchange. It was just Lucas' attempt to get some pre-sex banter going and he said "never" not "never, EVER"

    Probably should have wound up on the cutting room floor but seemed to be Lucas' attempt to get some kind of conversation going with Dante, who was pretty femme and didn't have a whole lot of overlapping interests with Lucas off the bat.

    Lucas sounded like he thought it was a good thing he was getting to do it too-- in the vein of "I've never ridden in a Porsche before" - Dante did not seem offended.

    Again, if you asked, not the most sensitive thing to say, but no harm, no foul
    Last edited by TommyPaine; January 26th, 2013 at 09:55 AM.

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    Everybody here seems to be denying the essential connection between the exotic and the erotic. As sexual situations are decidedly (and gratefully) 'pre-political' (or 'pre-frontal' in neuropsych), objectifying your partner by skin color is as acceptable as doing so by his foreskin status. The first with a different race is new adventure, something to celebrate. Lucas said he'd never done it with a black person, not that he wouldn't (as I suspect is the case with SC's Curtis).

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    I took Lucas' remark the way both TommyPaine & PhunkSpunk took it. (& he certainly didn't emphasize EVER). He was making conversation, & to some people, his saying that was probably a turn on. I think it was to Dante, & to Lucas himself. My first time (in the late 70s) with an African American guy was also his first time with a Caucasian guy. The fact that we were each the other's first was a HUGE turn on.

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    Does anyone know/can venture a guesstimate when we can expect the first preview/tease/trailer for the 'Xmas abroad' shoot?

    I seem to remember that Pura Vida had a first teaser trailer a looooooonnnng time before it eventually came out but as the new foreign shoot is going to be CFS-only without a physical release, do you think they would take as much time as they bungled Pura Vida (a new silly crusade against streaming sites coming up?)

    People are commenting that quality has been declining and that would be a sure-fire way to get people excited again. I am happy with the newbies solos (Brennan! Gentry! Davon who made Tom seem alive!) but I agree that ACM quality can be quite sketchy (I was distressed that Hunter sported wood from the get-go as that made the whole scene with Blake look very chemically-enhanced. I liked that Hunter got gradual wood in his first updates but it seems that took too much time shooting for CF management).

    Ethnicity in porn sure is a volatile subject in the US. I didn't know some people liked their pron still segregated...

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    ^^^ PV was delayed while cf developed and implemented their watermark technology. I expect to see something fairly quickly from their latest trip (pure conjecture). cf may be trying to decide how to best monetize the scenes that they produced. They've also said that they are in the process of reworking their web site. It wouldn't surprise me if the new web site gets introduced before the scenes from the latest trip. (Last fall, cf changed their t&c's. One of the changes said that they could delete content anytime. It makes me wonder how long acs is for this world, and whether some of the old videos will only be available on cfs. Again, this is all conjecture on my part.)

    Just to add a little data to the discussion on Lucas and Dante. When you read it (see below), it's a little flat, but both guys were in good humor, smiling and talking with Corbin. Both guys are fairly animated and it seems natural. After watching a couple of times I concluded that the conversation was at least planned out. Lucas also includes the word "too" at the end of the statement, which to me implied that if having sex in front of a camera was new to Dante, then there was also an element that was new to him as well, showing empathy.

    I know different people have different levels of sensitivity on subjects like this. While Lucas' statement probably wasn't entirely PC, I didn't find the exchange offensive. (I would have been more offended if Lucas had called him a fag.) I chalked it up to Lucas being Lucas.

    One thing I'd forgotten was how much of a touchy-feely guy Lucas was. These guys had their hands all over each other for most of the video. In the final kisses Lucas is caressing, holding, and almost petting Dante. It's enough to give me goose bumps. Dante's a cute guy in these videos. He's probably turned into a major hunk (man) at this point. I wonder if he would ever consider coming back to do a few scenes.
    cf Dante fucks Lucas (produced 2008-04-19, released 2008-06-05)

    Starting dialog [after titles, at +00:32]

    Corbin (off camera): Guys, how are you?
    Lucas: [slight smile] Good
    Dante: [smile] Awesome
    C: Dante, you look particularly happy today
    D: Oh yea. It’s a good day with Lucas here [Lucas is looking at him and smiling]
    L: [laughs]
    C: So you’ve been a fan of cf for a little bit
    D: Yea, I have
    C: OK. And you had mentioned in your solo video that you did that you had a strong desire to work with Lucas [Lucas is looking at his own feet]
    D: Yea
    C: So, Lucas happened to be in town [Lucas with slight smile, nodding his head] and, uh, said he’d be up for it, so. And we’ve got an extra special treat for you because he’s going to do something that he normally doesn’t do.
    D: What’s that?
    C: That’s bottom.
    D: oooh [not oh but like moo] [everyone laughs]
    C: That’s kind of the best of both worlds.
    D: Yea, yea it is.
    L: If it makes you feel any better I’ve never been with a black guy, or a black girl.
    D: That’s a plus.
    L: [smiling] So this is a whole new first for me too. [with Dante looking at his own feet]
    D: I’m excited.
    C: Are you hard yet? [can’t quite hear what c: said] Let’s see [???] [camera zooms in on Dante’s crotch]
    D: It’s getting there almost.
    C: [softly] It’s getting there almost.
    C: Maybe you should rub it a little bit Lucas [Lucas does and they start to kiss, ending the talking] (at +01:44:00)


    Ending dialog (after last kiss) (at 19:27:15)
    L: [both grinning] That’s good stuff.
    D: That’s awesome [as they both jerk off during fade]

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhunkSpunk View Post
    Everybody here seems to be denying the essential connection between the exotic and the erotic. As sexual situations are decidedly (and gratefully) 'pre-political' (or 'pre-frontal' in neuropsych), objectifying your partner by skin color is as acceptable as doing so by his foreskin status. The first with a different race is new adventure, something to celebrate. Lucas said he'd never done it with a black person, not that he wouldn't (as I suspect is the case with SC's Curtis).
    I did touch on Dixon's exotic looks and that being a reason for inquiring about his ancestry.His look and appeal go far beyond his skin tone, as anyone can see he tans well and looks good with his light skin and his tanned skin(if he did it naturally by going to the beach, not the "Shake "N" Fake" he gets at a tanning salon) just as my being able to tan adds another layer of appeal to some. I hate it when people say they are color blind. People are not color blind, unless they are really color blind. I appreciate people that people are into skin tone, exotic features, etc. By them inquiring shows they have a genuine interest in my ancestry and how the combination comes together to create the man I am, and noticing certain distinctions that is unique to myself and family. However, with objectifying someone could be just as shallow as it could have a deeper connection who are into learning about different races and cultures across the board. Saying someone is white,black, brown,etc doesn't really allow any type of deeper meaning or understanding that would make a true connection sexually or non-sexually.


    I met a man when I started go to gay clubs in Cali. He was Eastern European. I think from Czech Republic, I forget. he told me that when he was young he thought people of African descent were made of Chocolate and he told me he would pray for his mother to get one so he could like him all day. LMAO. I can understand this way of thinking where people of African descent didn't have a huge community in places like the Czech Republic in the 50's-60's. They have don't share our history or anything like slavery in their society's history. It seems that AF-AM have in one way or another have always been a fetish to some people, it's not something I like or am comfortable with but that is what people do, another way of only looking at the surface and not really seeing it and not really wanting to know about it all at the same time.

    BTWM Phunk are you saying SC Curtis doesn't want to get down with an AF-AM? I wish SC could get a little bit more diverse, Landon has been MIA for a long time. I hope hasn't left for good.

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