Corbin-Fisher Update - 2013

[EasyRory]

You think they are turning off viewers, with the current trend of uninterested performers, dud models and anatomical videos? That would be a good explanation for why they're desperately trying to attract memberships with a discount.

I don't think they're doing it deliberately; but I do think they are putting less effort and money into the ACM product. A few years back I doubt that Cain/Cooper would have been released - or the director would have kept shooting until he had more to work with. This one seemed like, "Ok, guys, we got forty minutes in the budget to shoot a 19 minute video. Auf gehts, as Kent would say!"

[jasoncrew03]

Oh. So I'm guessing nobody noticed that Tyson called Zeb a fag... I thought there would be spanish speakers besides myself lol.

[PhunkSpunk]

^what time?

[Windsong]

I don't think they're doing it deliberately; but I do think they are putting less effort and money into the ACM product.

Oh no, I agree, I doubt they're doing it deliberately, I was more thinking about the correlation between the quality of many recent videos, and the membership discounts.

Like I said a little while ago, if this video is still good enough to be released, can you imagine how bad the ones that do get junked, must be? Yikes.

[Cruncher665]

IMO, regardless of the model's being in a "submissive" position of bottom, calling that model a "dirty whore" and a "fag" is degrading and repugnant. In fact,

[texansfan]

Regarding the quality of the product being released recently. I agree quality has diminished. What gets me is both Dawson and Connor are I think, officers of the company. I could be wrong on that, but they have to see the problem. Some leadership from the two of them could do wonders with the freshmen and the finished product. Dawson, I think, cares. Connor, I don't know. He just seems to be in his own world.

[Cruncher665]

Regarding the quality of the product being released recently. I agree quality has diminished. What gets me is both Dawson and Connor are I think, officers of the company. I could be wrong on that, but they have to see the problem. Some leadership from the two of them could do wonders with the freshmen and the finished product. Dawson, I think, cares. Connor, I don't know. He just seems to be in his own world.

I wonder how amenable Corbin would be to suggestion, were it forthcoming.

[texansfan]

IMO, regardless of the model's being in a "submissive" position of bottom, calling that model a "dirty whore" and a "fag" is degrading and repugnant. In fact,

I agree with the use of the word "fag". CF uses the image of one big happy family. Maybe some of the guys talk like that to each other off camera to enforce their masculinity. To me, its biting the hand that feeds you.

Could also explain why Trey said what he did in his confessional in CF Unlimited Vegas Day 1 and his crush on Adam and wanting to hook up off camera but not wanting everybody to find out.

Just my opinion.

[texansfan]

I wonder how amenable Corbin would be to suggestion, were it forthcoming.

I don't know. One voice in the chorus, who cares.

[Cruncher665]

I agree with the use of the word "fag". CF uses the image of one big happy family. Maybe some of the guys talk like that to each other off camera to enforce their masculinity. To me, its biting the hand that feeds you.

Could also explain why Trey said what he did in his confessional in CF Unlimited Vegas Day 1 and his crush on Adam and wanting to hook up off camera but not wanting everybody to find out.

Just my opinion.

Disregard the "in fact" orphan.

[EasyRory]

Regarding the quality of the product being released recently. I agree quality has diminished. What gets me is both Dawson and Connor are I think, officers of the company. I could be wrong on that, but they have to see the problem. Some leadership from the two of them could do wonders with the freshmen and the finished product. Dawson, I think, cares. Connor, I don't know. He just seems to be in his own world.

That goes beyond my ability to speculate.

And yet, video aside, the still shots of Cain and Cooper are so good. I wish CF could find a way to incorporate more of Cameron Frost's sensibility into their whole product.

Whoever directed/edited "Cumming in Cameron" and "Riding Connor's Cock" should be giving lessons to the rest of them. Anybody who can make it appear that Connor is flat out in love with Tom is a genius.

[michaelscarn]

I don't consider things said during sex to be anything other than a means to getting off. If Tyson called Zeb - or anyone - a fag outside of a sex scene, I would have a problem with that. I don't think CF would allow the use of that word were it not in the context of a scene. Hopefully.

[That70sJoe]

Like to see more black jocks in CF.

CF has cast a few but the general subscribers didn't take to them, hence their departure. I'm sure it isn't for the lack of attraction to models of color but they just don't fit into the CF wheelhouse.

[jbgb1x]

Interesting discussion, interesting board

I was reading through last year's board and this one coming into the discussion, so this may not make sense, but I had a couple of theories on this quality issue that I thought I'd join in on...

First, wouldn't it seem like having permanent long term members cuts down on the ability to keep bringing in fresh talent? The longer some of the "stars" stay, the more they may want a raise, a share of the profit, etc. So if a lot of these long timers are expected to be in rotation, that might be part of the problem... with high turnover, a new person never knows what others were paid, can be quickly replaced, lots of fresh faces... this all star system would make all of that more difficult, yes?

I also wonder about this campus model. If you want "freshmen" to look like "freshmen", it narrows your recruiting, doesn't it? I used to think the high number of short guys was designed to add to that young look (or not to make Dawson look like one of the short ones), but we've had bigger guys come in, so maybe it's not the case, but SC is going to have a bigger pool to choose from if they're not going for that freshmen look.

It also makes you wonder what this screening process is like if the rumors of the controlling "compound" quality is really also affecting recruiting, what types it takes to get through...

[jbgb1x]

I should also say about Tyson... Did anyone think it looked like Connor was not enthusiastic about kissing him? The homophobic talk additionally raises question about whether they really need models that badly, or how Tyson made it in to the group.

[EasyRory]

Like to see more black jocks in CF.

In today's Pete's Attic, Dixon says he's 1/4 black. I have a feeling Dixon will be around for a while. He is very articulate in both his PA's and shows a liking for what he does in his scenes. Plus he looks great.

[That70sJoe]

In today's Pete's Attic, Dixon says he's 1/4 black.

I believe that's the same amount of African heritage shared by Wentworth Miller.

[PhunkSpunk]

I'm still missing the fag or maricone. what's the time site?

I don't know how I feel about 'fag', but roll-playing can be hot fun! Sex is the theater for everyone, not just the poor! Nothing wrong with embracing your inner slut every now and then.

[That70sJoe]

He is very articulate in both his PA's

Just out of curiosity - for you, how does Dixon demonstrate this? I ask because in my experience, people have their own criteria of what they would consider to be an articulate way of speaking.

[EasyRory]

Just out of curiosity - for you, how does Dixon demonstrate this? I ask because in my experience, people have their own criteria of what they would consider to be an articulate way of speaking.

He uses clear, precise pronunciation and complete grammatical sentences; in the first PA, at one point he corrected his adverb from good to well; and he avoids slang expressions. He sounds as if he has spent more than twelve years at school.

[Hellax24]

Oh. So I'm guessing nobody noticed that Tyson called Zeb a fag... I thought there would be spanish speakers besides myself lol.

IMO, regardless of the model's being in a "submissive" position of bottom, calling that model a "dirty whore" and a "fag" is degrading and repugnant. In fact,

I wish I could say I was shocked at CF for leaving that in a video but, previous occasions of bad taste and behavior on their part, just makes this par for the course. Along with models saying gay love is wrong, white supremacists w/tats and all, etc, etc.

[QUOTE=michaelscarn;8662992]I don't consider things said during sex to be anything other than a means to getting off. If Tyson called Zeb - or anyone - a fag outside of a sex scene, I would have a problem with that. I don't think CF would allow the use of that word were it not in the context of a scene. Hopefully.[/QUOTE


I do consider them. I watched this movie years ago where this AF-AM man and White Woman was hooking up and in the heat of passion she said "Fuck me with you big N**** Dick" He stopped mid-stroke and threw her ass out! Calling someone a Dirty Whore is one thing...Calling them a Fag or some such usually reserved for a specific group culturally or racially is something else entirely.

So to me, it does count. I consider it a "Bone Killer" among other things such as a possible "Ass Kicker". getting off my cock and out my house would work in this case as something to get off of and out of.


CXXX

[That70sJoe]

He uses clear, precise pronunciation and complete grammatical sentences; in the first PA, at one point he corrected his adverb from good to well; and he avoids slang expressions. He sounds as if he has spent more than twelve years at school.

Yep, a rarity in porn. hahaha I wish the PA broadcasts were available on CFS but no such luck.

[Hellax24]

In today's Pete's Attic, Dixon says he's 1/4 black. I have a feeling Dixon will be around for a while. He is very articulate in both his PA's and shows a liking for what he does in his scenes. Plus he looks great.

I believe that's the same amount of African heritage shared by Wentworth Miller.

Ahh 1/4... Is that better then being HALF? What percentage is Tiger? Are we going to come up with some new term combining this 1/4 and the other races he's mixed with? It's sad that these men have such a diverse background that they NEED to explain or put out there just how much AF-AM heritage he has in his genetic make-up. It's also sad that in America it only takes 1 drop to be labeled AF-AM. It kind of throws out the argument of only being 1/4 or just being 1/2.I wonder if he gets tired of announcing what other races he has mixed in or did they just have him make sure everyone knew he was only 1/4 AF-AM???

Now, that he has justified his "Coloring" has there been other AF-AM models who were AF-AM have to break down what the percentage of AF-AM gene's they are made up of? I mean since basically, most of the AF-AM descended from slaves are mixed racially. Oh, Is he going and CF going to coin a term racial term ala Tiger Woods " Blasian" or some such PC term people need to feel better about having AF-AM genes.


CXXX

[Manipulation]

Ahh 1/4... Is that better then being HALF? What percentage is Tiger? Are we going to come up with some new term combining this 1/4 and the other races he's mixed with? It's sad that these men have such a diverse background that they NEED to explain or put out there just how much AF-AM heritage he has in his genetic make-up. It's also sad that in America it only takes 1 drop to be labeled AF-AM. It kind of throws out the argument of only being 1/4 or just being 1/2.I wonder if he gets tired of announcing what other races he has mixed in or did they just have him make sure everyone knew he was only 1/4 AF-AM???

Now, that he has justified his "Coloring" has there been other AF-AM models who were AF-AM have to break down what the percentage of AF-AM gene's they are made up of? I mean since basically, most of the AF-AM descended from slaves are mixed racially. Oh, Is he going and CF going to coin a term racial term ala Tiger Woods " Blasian" or some such PC term people need to feel better about having AF-AM genes.


CXXX

No. Most people would consider Dixon white with mixed ancestry. The proper term for half black people are mulatto.

[UndercoverBottom]

It's also sad that in America it only takes 1 drop to be labeled AF-AM. |

Nah that happens in other countries too.

In australia there are people who Might have a great grandparent who waS though to be indigenous, and they'll Call themselves indigenous despite their white skin and blond hair. Full blooded indigenous people get right royal pissed at them for doing ghat.

[UndercoverBottom]

calling that model a "dirty whore"

Ha ha How funny.

Doesn't he realize thaT the definition of a whore is someone wHo as sex for money. That woUld also make him a whore. Regardless of whther he was top or bottom.

There are obvIously more psychological problems for these guys than we realize.

Id love to see a where are they now clip in 10 years time.

[That70sJoe]

No. Most people would consider Dixon white with mixed ancestry. The proper term for half black people are mulatto.

I thought biracial was more modern-day. And Dixon is a quadroon, if we want to be specific.

[That70sJoe]

It's also sad that in America it only takes 1 drop to be labeled AF-AM.

Legally, I suppose but socially, not in my experience i.e. you have to look black to be labeled AF-AM. I don't think people would know that Dixon was black unless you told them. in that Dec. pic (at the Nevada resort), Dixon had no tan and looked completely white (like Wentworth Miller).

[PhunkSpunk]

To call your partner a 'whore' or to behave like a 'slut' is part of the dirty theater of the bedroom (or wherever you happen to do the deed). I'm sure there are hetero couples of 50 years who engage in that kind of dirty talk (which is likely a reason why they lasted). Personally, I find it fun and sexy. And quite honestly I don't see how calling your partner a 'fag' in this context is different from saying 'fuck my homo ass!' (which I'm sure I've said at some point). Behind closed doors no there are no limits. Be as un-PC as you please, just so long as you're both into it. It's how you behave outside the boudoir that matters.

Dixon: I prefer 'mixed race' or 'afro-euro' if you must supply a pedigree. Mulatto, quatroon, octroon etc. belong to the vocabulary of slavery and Jim Crow. Miscegenation. You might as well just say 'touched with the tar brush'.

Alexander Dumas, pere was either half or a quarter black. He looks like Frederick Douglass. Aleksandr Pushkin, the father of Russian literature, was a quarter black.

[PhunkSpunk]

Yeah, mama and papa told me
I was crazy to stay
I was gay in New York
A fag in L.A.
So I saved my money
And I took a plane
Wherever I go they treat me the same

When the whip comes down!

-Michael Phillip Jagger, CBE

[statsguy]

Pretty amazing song for 1978

[Hellax24]

No. Most people would consider Dixon white with mixed ancestry. The proper term for half black people are mulatto.

I have never heard someone in America having a AF-AM ancester called White with a mixed heritage. NEVER. Also, if someone is AF-AM or surounded by many for years could tell Wentorth or Dixon was of Mixed heritage. Maybe non-people of color(Specifically AF-AM) would think those people who have lighter skin like Matt Rush to be white, but those ho are in the know, know!

I think many people start and stop at Skin color though, many people of color see the skin color and facial characteristics as well and know a non-white person of color. I still LMAO when I see postings by people thinking all these years Matt Rush white and disbelieving he is actually AF-AM. After Dante, CF has proceeded to go lighter and lighter skin tone of AF-AM models they hire.Wesley was lighter then Dixon and people knew he was AF-AM. I like Dixon and hopefully he stays awhile, what I don't like is the way CF had to make a point of his heritage. I also don't like when being AF-AM doesn't seem to be good enough in porn and in some way people have to a "Special" category for people of mixed heritage not looking AF-AM( dark skin, big nose and lips, texture of hair, etc,etc.)

As I stated above most AF-AM are mixed, yet no one brings attention to models like Dante and asks about his genetic origins.People look and see he's AF-AM and that's all. Beginning and end. I also haven't heard antiquated terms like quadroon or mulatto (which as it should be) except for slave movies. Those are not proper terms. Biracial , yes. The others, HELL NO! Just seeing those terms shows how out of touch some are, seriously who the hell uses quadroon or mulatto??? I mean what are the other 3/4 that would get him classified as a quadroon???????? I mean am I a quadroon with my mixed background though i fall on the darker side(and been told I look Puerto Rican)? I could see if he spoke about what his background would be that created his good looks (that's why I asked if he spoke about his other ancestry) or just had to specify he was only 1/4 AF-AM.

CXXX

[That70sJoe]

I have never heard someone in America having a AF-AM ancester called White with a mixed heritage. NEVER. Also, if someone is AF-AM or surounded by many for years could tell Wentorth or Dixon was of Mixed heritage. Maybe non-people of color(Specifically AF-AM) would think those people who have lighter skin like Matt Rush to be white, but those ho are in the know, know!

Matt Rush looks black as does Austin Wilde; it's just not apparent with Dixon.

I like Dixon and hopefully he stays awhile, what I don't like is the way CF had to make a point of his heritage.

I think the only reason CF cited his racial mix was to win diversity points. No other agenda than that, IMHO.

I also haven't heard antiquated terms like quadroon or mulatto (which as it should be) except for slave movies. Those are not proper terms. Biracial , yes. The others, HELL NO! Just seeing those terms shows how out of touch some are, seriously who the hell uses quadroon or mulatto???

I know they're outdated I only cited quadroon to be specific about Dixon's blackness. Who the hell uses the term? Try the awesome Danish duo Quadron who are both-- wait for it--- 1/4 black.

[Hellax24]

Matt Rush looks black as does Austin Wilde; it's just not apparent with Dixon.



I think the only reason CF cited his racial mix was to win diversity points. No other agenda than that, IMHO.



I know they're outdated I only cited quadroon to be specific about Dixon's blackness. Who the hell uses the term? Try the awesome Danish duo Quadron who are both-- wait for it--- 1/4 black.

Are the Awesome DANISH group American? Does the Danish have the same history with that term that America as far as slavery goes?

I love it when people point out how foreign countries use terms not routed in their own countries history to try and make a point of it's use, given their limited history or understanding of it's use.

Again, what are Dixon's other 3/4 that justify the use of that term, while your being specific.

CXXX

[PhunkSpunk]

Pretty amazing song for 1978

I think I read somewhere that it was inspired by Maplethorpe's work.

[Manipulation]

First of all, I know a lot of people who use the term Mulatto to describe themselves. In fact there are many websites where half black/half white people call themselves mulatto. It's being "reclaimed" just as the gay community is reclaiming "queer".

Biracial isn't good enough, because it doesn't tell you anything about anything. It doesn't tell you what race you are mixed with. Biracial applies any mixed race group.

The one drop rule is not legally binding in the united states. (I could be wrong, though.)

[statsguy]

I think I read somewhere that it was inspired by Maplethorpe's work.

This song is probably more appropriate to this thread. If you changed the lyrics slightly (e.g. substitute LV for London) you could make it cf's theme song.

Cocksucker Blues

[Hellax24]

First of all, I know a lot of people who use the term Mulatto to describe themselves. In fact there are many websites where half black/half white people call themselves mulatto. It's being "reclaimed" just as the gay community is reclaiming "queer".

Biracial isn't good enough, because it doesn't tell you anything about anything. It doesn't tell you what race you are mixed with. Biracial applies any mixed race group.


The one drop rule is not legally binding in the united states. (I could be wrong, though.)

I have no idea which country where they are trying to "Reclaim" the word mulatto, but it's not here in America.

By the argument you pose then I shouldn't be using the term "AF-AM" rather I should start using a more appropriate term that has long since been put out to pastor along with Jim Crow. I'm sure you know many "White" people are trying to reclaim those good old days. You see I'm every bit as Dixon is, the difference is our skin tone. What I am getting is that what should reflect what I am called pr percieved to be depends on the level of Melanin in my skin. Calling myself quadroon or mulatto simply depends on the color of one's skin according to you.I also tan really well.

Hell, there are white people who are born with dark skin and have no African ancestors.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0964586/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Case in point. This is a pretty good true life story of what I referred to above.

CXXX

[PhunkSpunk]

I was going to put Cocksucker Blues in there. It was their final fuck-you to the nefarious promoter Allen Klein (Hesh on the Sopranos)

Well, I'm a lonesome schoolboy
And I just came into town
Yeah, I'm a lonesome schoolboy
And I just came into town
Well, I heard so much about London
I decided to check it out

Well, I wait in Leicester Square
With a come-hither look in my eye
Yeah, I'm leaning on Nelsons Column
But all I do is talk to the lions

Oh where can I get my cock sucked?
Where can I get my ass fucked?
I may have no money,
But I know where to put it every time

Well, I asked a young policeman
If he'd only lock me up for the night
Well, I've had pigs in the farmyard,
Some of them, some of them, they're alright
Well, he fucked me with his truncheon
And his helmet was way too tight

Oh where can I get my cock sucked?
Where can I get my ass fucked?
I ain't got no money,
But I know where to put it every time

I'm a lonesome schoolboy in your town
I'm a lonesome schoolboy

'Whip' may have more relevance to CF & gay4pay porn in general as it's about a plucky lad in a tight situation making lemonade:

And I'm filling a need, yeah, I'm plugging a hole
My mama's so glad I ain't on the dole.

And I suspect this describes what happens to most of these guys:

I make so much money
That I'm spending so fast

I love what Keef said about Jagger's knighthood "I wouldn't let a member of that family near me with a stick, let alone a sword!"

[PhunkSpunk]

to tie in with the mixed race theme, I'm trying to find a decent picture of Karis Jagger (Yale '91) as she's very attractive. Her mother, Marsha Hunt, was seriously foxy!

[PhunkSpunk]

Hell, there are white people who are born with dark skin and have no African ancestors.|

On the other side, there's the melodramatic camp classic "Imitation of Life" (calling LFAH!):



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052918/?ref_=sr_1

I saw it for the first time at The Castro. It was quite an experience!

[PhunkSpunk]

too late

[OwenMeany]

^I saw Vertigo at the Castro. Go see that movie with a theatre full of fags. Practically every line is a double entendre.

See, I just can't get with using that term, and I'm one of them. I certainly can't get enthusiastic about a straight guy, who can obviously barely stand to be there in the first place, using it. But, I'm assuming they left it in intentionally, because subscribers just love that straight boy shit.

[PhunkSpunk]

Vertigo's not my favorite Hitch (Shadow of a Doubt, Strangers on a Train (serious homo flick!), or North by Northwest) The great thing about Vertigo is that it's a love letter to SF in the fifties. Christ, what a knock out the city was back then! That amazing apartment across Sacramento from the Fairmont where Kim Novak lived. Barbara Bel Getty's studio in Russian Hill. Jimmy Stewart's place in North Beach.

Better still, I saw Baby Jane there! Imagine 1000+ queens screaming on cue "but ya are Blanche, ya are!" Rocky Horror what? "Auntie Mame" was just as good.

Another one that was a hoot and a half at the Castro was John Huston's "Reflections In a Golden Eye". Closet Queen Marlon Brando mumbling in a bad faux southern accent "there is much to be said about the company of mane among mane . . . " And La Liz "normal? You call that normal? She cut off her nipples with the garden sheers!"

I have never seen "The Women" at the Castro. Talk about a bucket list item!

[PhunkSpunk]

I know this is off topic but it's so freakin' funny!



Liz Taylor was a major piece of ass!

[That70sJoe]

Are the Awesome DANISH group American? Does the Danish have the same history with that term that America as far as slavery goes?

I love it when people point out how foreign countries use terms not routed in their own countries history to try and make a point of it's use, given their limited history or understanding of it's use.

I don't see why non-American people with African heritage can't use these terms. Just because quadroon is antiquated doesn't mean its invalid.

Again, what are Dixon's other 3/4 that justify the use of that term, while your being specific.

I don't know. Did he say it on PA? As far as I'm concerned, Dixon is white. No disrespect to his 1/4 but IMHO, CF only made sure subscribers knew this so that they can say that they believe in diversity, hence the hiring of a 1/4 black model. Personally, whether it be CF, SC or RB, as examples, I don't view them as racist because they have very few minorities in their fold. If you want to watch models of Asian, Hispanic or AF-AM descent, there are sites dedicated to those ethnicities. Everybody wins.

[That70sJoe]

Hell, there are white people who are born with dark skin and have no African ancestors.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0964586/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Case in point. This is a pretty good true life story of what I referred to above.

The focal point of "The Human Stain" (feat. Wentworth Miller) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308383/?ref_=sr_1 is this very issue.

According to Wentworth Miller, the casting agent did not believe that he was part-African American like the character Coleman Silk. Miller also told the casting agent about an incident at Princeton University. While he was a student there, he published an editorial cartoon in the campus newspaper that was misconstrued as a racial slur against Professor Cornel West. Silk has a similar situation in the film. Miller faxed family pictures and articles about the controversy to prove his story. West later attended the film's premiere and made up with Miller.

[TommyPaine]

All I can think of from reading this is that episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry refers to a mixed race couple's baby as a mulatto and gets into all sort of trouble as a result.

The laws about one drop of black blood were repealed about 75 years ago.

Phunk - I used to listen to Some Girls endlessly back in college. Had no idea what the lyrics on Whip were, even now, thought you were taking poetic license. Damn.. who knew?? (I did know what EJ's All The Young Girls Love Alice was about...)

I have read the book The Human Stain, which I quite liked. is the movie worth seeing?

[Hellax24]

Dixon: I prefer 'mixed race' or 'afro-euro' if you must supply a pedigree. Mulatto, quatroon, octroon etc. belong to the vocabulary of slavery and Jim Crow. Miscegenation. You might as well just say 'touched with the tar brush'.

Alexander Dumas, pere was either half or a quarter black. He looks like Frederick Douglass. Aleksandr Pushkin, the father of Russian literature, was a quarter black.

Another view you have seemed to overlook. Those terms are a throw back and insult of a very ugly part of American history. You seem to think this is invalid, which anyone who is an American should be able to discern that those terms do not have any place in today's America. Calling someone of African-American descendants of Slaves would very much take issue with and wouldn't be too friendly in responding to the person attempting to label them as such.

I don't see why non-American people with African heritage can't use these terms. Just because quadroon is antiquated doesn't mean its invalid.



I don't know. Did he say it on PA? As far as I'm concerned, Dixon is white. No disrespect to his 1/4 but IMHO, CF only made sure subscribers knew this so that they can say that they believe in diversity, hence the hiring of a 1/4 black model. Personally, whether it be CF, SC or RB, as examples, I don't view them as racist because they have very few minorities in their fold. If you want to watch models of Asian, Hispanic or AF-AM descent, there are sites dedicated to those ethnicities. Everybody wins.

It's more then antiquated it's downright ignorant. It's also ignorant to call Dixon white, because he isn't. He as you pointed out and CF has pointed out 1/4 AF-AM and thus, belongs to an Ethnic group where as white people are not. You also, stating he is white based on his appearance is again ignorant. You have no idea what his other lineage is an it doesn't have to be white to have his complexion. and hell yes people without a working knowledge of American history and the weight that such terms comes with and their lack of understanding plays a huge role in it's validity. It's what this country keeps striving to distance itself from and keeps falling short apparently to work past. That band may be considered cool and hip in their country over here it's not. That complete lack of understanding makes it invalid. Besides I have never heard of this group, not sure if they are popular here in America, but I'm sure if they have a fan base here, the fans have the same of understanding the seem to have. I am also a bit tired of people from other countries about the use of such terms as these and how it's not offensive in their countries.
Also, when did I or anyone else call CF racist in this discussion? I have no idea where you are attempting to take this discussion, but realize you are the one taking it there.


According to you even if Dixon was 3/4 AF-AM and you would consider him white because of how he looks. Victoria Rowell an AF-AM actress. had a daughter who was born with blond hair and blue eyes and according to your logic she looks white so she to you, is white. Should people go with what the mother is like the do in the Jewish community where if the mother is Jewish then the children are automatically? I went to school with a woman who is definitely AF-AM and Her BF also and had a son with Blond Hair and Blue eyes but according to you he's white.

The focal point of "The Human Stain" (feat. Wentworth Miller) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308383/?ref_=sr_1 is this very issue.

According to Wentworth Miller, the casting agent did not believe that he was part-African American like the character Coleman Silk. Miller also told the casting agent about an incident at Princeton University. While he was a student there, he published an editorial cartoon in the campus newspaper that was misconstrued as a racial slur against Professor Cornel West. Silk has a similar situation in the film. Miller faxed family pictures and articles about the controversy to prove his story. West later attended the film's premiere and made up with Miller.

I have no idea what your babbling about here, I'm not sure you do either. As I posted above people of color call tell another person of color because of being surrounded by family member's who have varying skin complexions, it's the non-people of color who cannot discern these types because as you keep showing us, that the majority of them look no further then skin color. Dixon have the complexion he does in your eyes from your post is "White" no if's and's or but's about it, which is not true or a fact. Unless you know what other genetic make-up he carries you cannot wipe away his ethnic heritage, I'm sure he would be offended if anyone did attempting to "White-Wash" him to satisfy yourself.

I pointed out a story about how a person who is white can be born and looks black, but isn't black simply to show that everything not everyone cannot just be thrown in to a category just by their appearance. You then posted about a movie about an AF-AM man "Passing" to justify your use of terms that any reasonably intelligent person born and raised in America wouldn't use because of it's negative(rightfully so) connotations. People couldn't believe that Vin Diesel was part AF-AM, also the same goes for Dewayne "The Rock" Johnson is part AF-AM. Labeling people to make yourself and others like you a specific type just doesn't work in this day and age. People like Vin Diesel,Wentworth,Jennifer Beals,etc will be quick to let people know they are indeed AF-AM or Mixed race and not deny their African heritage because it is indeed very much a valued and valid part of their being.

As I said above, CF discussing Dixon ancestry to get a better picture of his exotic looks, but to just state he is 1/4 AF-AM and not giving us a full picture touch on a raw nerve about how they go about handling there ethnic models.In cases like these and people not being in the know about a models mixed heritage is about them beginning and ending with the color of their skin shows just how far this country has yet to go in terms of race relations inside and out of porn and the people who watch it.

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I thought biracial was more modern-day. And Dixon is a quadroon, if we want to be specific.

It is, mulatto is considered offensive by many.