Gunman dead after shooting 3 cops at N.J. police station

[White Eagle]

Last week I saw a post about needing to make threads on all shootings. Well, here is another one. Now what do we do, make the police have an armed guard to protect them?
This is getting way out of hand. IMHO.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...e-station?lite

Gunman dead after shooting 3 cops at N.J. police station
By Jason White, NBC News

The gunman who shot three officers after a "violent struggle" at a New Jersey police station early Friday is dead, officials said.

The suspected shooter had been brought into Gloucester Township Police station for a domestic incident when he got into a confrontation with officers, reported NBC's Philadelphia affiliate, NBC 10.

"A violent struggle occurred while the suspect was being processed," Deputy Chief David Harkins said. The man was able to grab a gun and then opened fire.

[Benvolio]

Last week I saw a post about needing to make threads on all shootings. Well, here is another one. Now what do we do, make the police have an armed guard to protect them?
This is getting way out of hand. IMHO.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...e-station?lite

He grabbed a police gun apparently. Gun control laws surely will not disarm the police.

[chrisrobin]

He grabbed a police gun apparently. Gun control laws surely will not disarm the police.

Apparently?

[Benvolio]

It would be very unusual if they did not search him for weapons before he was processed, so it is a fair inference that he "grabbed", someone else's gun.

[chance1]

Last week I saw a post about needing to make threads on all shootings. Well, here is another one. Now what do we do, make the police have an armed guard to protect them?
This is getting way out of hand. IMHO.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...e-station?lite

it's obvious your intent was to bring attention to gun violence, gun laws, NRA, etc.

and the actual case has NOTHING to do with that/those subjects

but by all means keep it coming

and keep deflecting attention away from the real issue as it relates to guns and that is an assault weapon ban

[palbert]

I have thought this for some time but now suggest we open a "Gun Violence Forum."

But how do we handle -- as reported today -- Chicago's 500 homicides (not all gun related). http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...e-of-2012?lite

It really is getting out of hand. And the various gun or ammo groups, pro and con, will tie Congress up forever and nothing will get done.

[Jack Springer]

It's a culture thing -- not a gun thing.

[palbert]

Let's see. This took place in a police station.

So surrounding schools with armed guards assuredly serves just what purpose?

[andysayshi]

As the case makes patently clear, even armed professionals can be caught off guard/disarmed. An angry man in a classroom would no doubt have equal or greater chance of wrestling a firearm from a young female elementary school teacher.

Yet another demonstration that more guns in schools will make schools less safe. not more safe.

[White Eagle]

As the case makes patently clear, even armed professionals can be caught off guard/disarmed. An angry man in a classroom would no doubt have equal or greater chance of wrestling a firearm from a young female elementary school teacher.

Yet another demonstration that more guns in schools will make schools less safe. not more safe.

Thank you, that's what I was going for.

[JayHawk]

A gun in a every backpack.... Glock will come out with a new line of easy access armed school book bags....

The problem is society man... I have no suggestions for fixing that but the problem is society.

You obviously started this thread to say something I disagree with and so I will mock you without making a valid point.


[There now that i have summed up your opposition WE let me add my point]

There are always going to be violent deaths. Whether it is cops shooting a man racing at them with a 3000 pound car or a police station being lazy about weapons control in the station. We can not change the essence of mankind. We could affect their ability when they have gone nuts to easily procure massive amounts of ammo and weapons and high capacity magazines.

Even then we will still have killers who train themselves to be murderously effective at reloading and shooting accurately.

However isn't the times that the Holmes and the Lanza are prevented from having an easy path to destruction?

[tombastep]

As the case makes patently clear, even armed professionals can be caught off guard/disarmed. An angry man in a classroom would no doubt have equal or greater chance of wrestling a firearm from a young female elementary school teacher.

Yet another demonstration that more guns in schools will make schools less safe. not more safe.

Great point.

[chance1]

I love the attempted analogy to teachers with guns

please

there is none

and teachers with guns is one of the stupidest ideas EVER !!!!

why would u even give it any credence by arguing against it

but back to topic

this is not a gun control item

not even close

this board has gone gun crazy btw

[chance1]

Thank you, that's what I was going for.

it is NOT what u were going for

but andy did do a fine but faux job covering ur ever exposed derriere

so thanks are in order

[andysayshi]

20 dead kids has a way of mobilising opinions, yes.

There's no suggestion that gun restrictions would have changed anything about the incident in this thread. As JayHawk says, there will always be guns, maniacs, and incidents.

What this incident highlights is that things CAN and DO go wrong. When a lethal weapon is accessible to a crazed individual, people can get hurt. Which is yet another reason guns don't belong in schools. Simple as that, but the compsarison of circumstances is perfectly logical to me.

[chance1]

20 dead kids has a way of mobilising opinions, yes.

There's no suggestion that gun restrictions would have changed anything about the incident in this thread. As JayHawk says, there will always be guns, maniacs, and incidents.

What this incident highlights is that things CAN and DO go wrong. When a lethal weapon is accessible to a crazed individual, people can get hurt. Which is yet another reason guns don't belong in schools. Simple as that, but the compsarison of circumstances is perfectly logical to me.

now if i was JayHawk I'd say the cops deserved it ....... they were armed ....... they were in control ....... they lost control

but i'm not so shit happens

but again andy - and i know you're a passionate advocate here - and i appreciate it - it goes w/o saying that with ANYTHING - things can and do go wrong

but i will reiterate a hypothetical

i'm a parent and my 6 year old is at an elementary school - i hear there's a crazed gunman - would i rather have an armed guard? or not? the answer is yes i would

not a teacher

but a trained person

it's not perfect

but i get it and i'd prefer it if i was that parent

that said, if i had to vote thumbs up or down on armed guard in school i'd prob vote no as I hate what it represents and my gut is while it would save lives it might be more harmful than not

but i am def. NOT sure

[andysayshi]

I would prefer a crazed knifeman or baseballbat-man who had no access to a gun. Then the teachers could beat him away with brooms and stones until the cops arrived, like they did in China 2 weeks ago.

[JayHawk]

The parents at Columbine who lost children do not appear to feel better because there were armed guards Chance. How about the Virginia Tech Parents who lost children... you think they feel good because VT has its own police force?

Ignorant is as ignorant does.

Oh and BTW chance you are correct. the police will investigate and find they failed to follow procedure. Do you think they don't have procedures required to prevent a suspect under arrest from acquiring a weapon? You cant be that fucking naive. Does that mean they deserve to be dead? No! Does it means their errors were complicit in their deaths... for the guy who had his weapon taken that is certain. Perhaps for the people who allowed such careless procedural compliance. The same applies to Benghazi. I do understand if you have a mental block or some other personal issues accepting responsibility. You are an average American after all.

[chance1]

The parents at Columbine who lost children do not appear to feel better because there were armed guards Chance. How about the Virginia Tech Parents who lost children... you think they feel good because VT has its own police force?

Ignorant is as ignorant does.

Oh and BTW chance you are correct. the police will investigate and find they failed to follow procedure. Do you think they don't have procedures required to prevent a suspect under arrest from acquiring a weapon? You cant be that fucking naive. Does that mean they deserve to be dead? No! Does it means their errors were complicit in their deaths... for the guy who had his weapon taken that is certain. Perhaps for the people who allowed such careless procedural compliance. The same applies to Benghazi. I do understand if you have a mental block or some other personal issues accepting responsibility. You are an average American after all.

look - Columbine is not the be all end all - what happened there is not the model or the blue print for anything

those mofo's were armed to the gills

do u really think JH that in this school - sandy hook - with this kid lanza - that a retired cop who knew what he was doing - with a gun - could not have potentially made a difference ? saved some lives ? think about it and don't answer reflexively

and my guess is that protocol was breached - mistakes made - in the precinct

and NJ cops and Ambassador Stevens much like this thread and automatic gun control ......... there is no connection

that's not a mental block thing - that's a reality thing

[chance1]

I would prefer a crazed knifeman or baseballbat-man who had no access to a gun. Then the teachers could beat him away with brooms and stones until the cops arrived, like they did in China 2 weeks ago.

u don't get to choose what weapon an attacker has andy - i would prefer he comes with boxing gloves

u seem to be of the mindset that gun control will eliminate adam lanza's - it won't

it will help - definitely - at least IMHO

it will eliminate the poseurs - the less crazies i guess

and having some protection is something to consider

[tombastep]

do u really think JH that in this school - sandy hook - with this kid lanza - that a retired cop who knew what he was doing - with a gun - could not have potentially made a difference ? saved some lives ? think about it and don't answer reflexively

And there is a chance something like this would happen. What you are suggesting is a short term "solution."

[Lostlover]

This is tragic. RIP to the officers here.

[chance1]

And there is a chance something like this would happen. What you are suggesting is a short term "solution."

i have no idea - i'm not an expert

i support banning automatic weapons and making registration very difficult, etc. - and making penalties for crimes committed with guns federal with longer sentences (see Bill O'Reilly) - the school armed guard thing i guess is up to each district - i don't know - i know that i understand the sentiment for an armed guard - for me logic dictates that the retired cop could've prevented some of the carnage but i'm not certain

i think the emotional and all or nothing approach to this issue is self defeating and in the end status quo will win if it's too emotional

[JayHawk]

look - Columbine is not the be all end all - what happened there is not the model or the blue print for anything

those mofo's were armed to the gills

do u really think JH that in this school - sandy hook - with this kid lanza - that a retired cop who knew what he was doing - with a gun - could not have potentially made a difference ? saved some lives ? think about it and don't answer reflexively

and my guess is that protocol was breached - mistakes made - in the precinct

and NJ cops and Ambassador Stevens much like this thread and automatic gun control ......... there is no connection

that's not a mental block thing - that's a reality thing

Of course a cop could have made a difference but the point is that is not an answer just as columbine isnt a blueprint for every shooting. Seeing how many hundreds of thousands of armed guard jobs you suggest it then becomes completely impossible to implement

NJ Cops and Ambassador Stevens both failed to follow basic procedures that would have ensured their safety more so. Failure to not follow such easy procedures due to familiarity with the process is the apathy that gets folks killed most often. Apathy is the fault of the individual just as it is the fault of the organization that failed to place procedures into effect that prevent apathy.

Finally if they are not relevant then why did you bring it into the conversation with the Jayhawk believes they are at fault quip? I know you already failed to make your point every time you have brought it up so I understand your reluctance to discuss it. However, if you are reluctant to discuss it then dont bring it up


Dude you are a walking mental block. You refuse to alter any opinion or belief even when vast evidence is presented to counter your ideas presented. What more disgusting is you try to make every discussion about the poster instead of the topic. Hence your initial entry into this thread was to make it about how morally bankrupt jayhawk is to you....I understand for lack of ideological proof you choose to simply insult at every turn but to then attempt to lay that false thinking that occurs in your mind at the feet of others is pretty far fetched wouldn't you agree?

[palbert]

A good seat.


Oh, it's a re-run?

[chance1]

Of course a cop could have made a difference but the point is that is not an answer just as columbine isnt a blueprint for every shooting. Seeing how many hundreds of thousands of armed guard jobs you suggest it then becomes completely impossible to implement

NJ Cops and Ambassador Stevens both failed to follow basic procedures that would have ensured their safety more so. Failure to not follow such easy procedures due to familiarity with the process is the apathy that gets folks killed most often. Apathy is the fault of the individual just as it is the fault of the organization that failed to place procedures into effect that prevent apathy.

Finally if they are not relevant then why did you bring it into the conversation with the Jayhawk believes they are at fault quip? I know you already failed to make your point every time you have brought it up so I understand your reluctance to discuss it. However, if you are reluctant to discuss it then dont bring it up


Dude you are a walking mental block. You refuse to alter any opinion or belief even when vast evidence is presented to counter your ideas presented. What more disgusting is you try to make every discussion about the poster instead of the topic. Hence your initial entry into this thread was to make it about how morally bankrupt jayhawk is to you....I understand for lack of ideological proof you choose to simply insult at every turn but to then attempt to lay that false thinking that occurs in your mind at the feet of others is pretty far fetched wouldn't you agree?

nice colors

i entered because white eagle started a thread with a faux premise
then andy connected the dots where i don't think they exist
then i referenced the cops and their "mistakes" and connected it to u because of stevens and hammar and ur feelings about it - sorry but i'm dead on there - and the fact is most of the folks don't give a shit that u said that about stevens - i do

but i was having a convo with u

and then u do this again

i don't understand why u take a position then get upset when it is remembered

and yeah i shot it at u - do u read what u shoot at others? it's a contact sport no ?

and i essentially agree with u re: armed guards - it's a shit show logistically and financially

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A good seat.


Oh, it's a re-run?

i'll have your VIP status revoked

[JayHawk]

nice colors

i entered because white eagle started a thread with a faux premise
then andy connected the dots where i don't think they exist
then i referenced the cops and their "mistakes" and connected it to u because of stevens and hammar and ur feelings about it - sorry but i'm dead on there - and the fact is most of the folks don't give a shit that u said that about stevens - i do

but i was having a convo with u

and then u do this again

i don't understand why u take a position then get upset when it is remembered

and yeah i shot it at u - do u read what u shoot at others? it's a contact sport no ?

and i essentially agree with u re: armed guards - it's a shit show logistically and financially

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i'll have your VIP status revoked

I have the position and have reiterated it because it is fact. The reason the other folks don't take exception is not because they hate ambassadors or because they hate cops... it is because they agree with reason and logic. So I defeat your illogical bullshit everytime you whip it out.

What is telling is you cannot have a conversation on any thread on the website without involving your judgement of the character of the person who has an opposing opinions. Being that ninety percent of insult is projection I would suggest you doubt the integrity of your own character and therefore project onto every person you encounter. But that is for your psychiatrist.

i will simply continue to deflate your errant logic and continue to call you on your characterizations that to you somehow make your opinions right even when they are devoid of fact and logic.

So now you agree that NJ Cops and Ambassadors making poor decisions are complicit in their deaths. You appear to also agree that reduced access to weapons would inhibit the ability for crazed folks to access weapons. So why couldn't you start there?

[chance1]

I have the position and have reiterated it because it is fact. The reason the other folks don't take exception is not because they hate ambassadors or because they hate cops... it is because they agree with reason and logic. So I defeat your illogical bullshit everytime you whip it out.

What is telling is you cannot have a conversation on any thread on the website without involving your judgement of the character of the person who has an opposing opinions. Being that ninety percent of insult is projection I would suggest you doubt the integrity of your own character and therefore project onto every person you encounter. But that is for your psychiatrist.

i will simply continue to deflate your errant logic and continue to call you on your characterizations that to you somehow make your opinions right even when they are devoid of fact and logic.

So now you agree that NJ Cops and Ambassadors making poor decisions are complicit in their deaths. You appear to also agree that reduced access to weapons would inhibit the ability for crazed folks to access weapons. So why couldn't you start there?

yawn

actually your stevens rant was the epitome of narcissistic know it all hateful bullshit - with NO reason

and obamallegiance runs deep

but stroke your cock by all means thinking it's cuz ur right

as for the cops i can imagine there were mistakes made - no idea of the specifics but 1 on 3 in custody doesn't sound good but i won't rush to judge

as for stevens ....... no agreement ...... he asked for help ........ state dept. did not provide - and that's just the beginning ...... your take on the matter is none too bright and supported by no one

as for reduced access to weapons, i've been saying it since day 1

i just don't troll about it

[JayHawk]

yawn

actually your stevens rant was the epitome of narcissistic know it all hateful bullshit - with NO reason

and obamallegiance runs deep

but stroke your cock by all means thinking it's cuz ur right

as for the cops i can imagine there were mistakes made - no idea of the specifics but 1 on 3 in custody doesn't sound good but i won't rush to judge

as for stevens ....... no agreement ...... he asked for help ........ state dept. did not provide - and that's just the beginning ...... your take on the matter is none too bright and supported by no one

as for reduced access to weapons, i've been saying it since day 1

i just don't troll about it

Perception is everything, arguably everything you post is trollish as it normally barely covers the topic. But if you look at your haiku ninety percent is personal attack... once again because you have no point. it is the same with any poster you engage and of course why you were banned.

As far as Stevens the State Dept sponsored investigation found he hold blame and says so in very clear terminology that even you could understand if you hadn't taken such a ridiculous stance.

Glad to see you understand the illogical idea that a man could gain access to a weapon in police custody and the officers were following policy. The two simply cannot go together.

I wouldn't even go so far as to say if this society had a greater restriction on access and a stronger focus on gun safety then these officers would not have been so cavalier.

I will of course wait for the results of the investigation unlike the Benghazi situation where you and every other foamy mouthed right winger claimed so many things that never bore fruit and then were discredited. Same thing goes for your stance on Stevens making decisions that endangered his life.

[chance1]

Perception is everything, arguably everything you post is trollish as it normally barely covers the topic. But if you look at your haiku ninety percent is personal attack... once again because you have no point. it is the same with any poster you engage and of course why you were banned.

As far as Stevens the State Dept sponsored investigation found he hold blame and says so in very clear terminology that even you could understand if you hadn't taken such a ridiculous stance.

Glad to see you understand the illogical idea that a man could gain access to a weapon in police custody and the officers were following policy. The two simply cannot go together.

I wouldn't even go so far as to say if this society had a greater restriction on access and a stronger focus on gun safety then these officers would not have been so cavalier.

I will of course wait for the results of the investigation unlike the Benghazi situation where you and every other foamy mouthed right winger claimed so many things that never bore fruit and then were discredited. Same thing goes for your stance on Stevens making decisions that endangered his life.

awww

poor JH

someone stands up to him - how dare they ?

stop sending me pms - they're boring and repetitive - like their author

cheers

PS - Stevens wasn't blame for anything - your BS cut/paste job from the report was u defending ur defenseless position which was founded on obamallegiance

PPS - I never said the NJ cops followed protocol

try to get some sleep

[JayHawk]

I am well rested but thank you for the feigned concern.

The poor baby moment is when you fail to prove your point but then have to resort to making your post contain more insults than on topic subject matter. I kept that private for your sake but you are right. Now need to keep private the embarrassment you make of yourself daily.

On Stevens read the report it says it clear as day. You are willfully confused because it doesn't measure up to your stance.

No you didn't say they had not followed protocol and from what i can tell that is not at question here. What is at question is whether or not this pertains to the overall gun control and protection situation in America. Obviously it does but you cannot make the links line up.

[Kulindahr]

I have thought this for some time but now suggest we open a "Gun Violence Forum."

But how do we handle -- as reported today -- Chicago's 500 homicides (not all gun related). http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...e-of-2012?lite

It really is getting out of hand. And the various gun or ammo groups, pro and con, will tie Congress up forever and nothing will get done.

Yeah. One group will parrot La Pierre, the other will whine about "assault weapons". Neither will do what they ought to be doing, which is reading up on the concept of the militia, then looking at Article I Sec 8 and devising ways to address issues within the stated power of Congress to organize and discipline the militia.

[Kulindahr]

It's a culture thing -- not a gun thing.

True, but to what extent? I have yet to see a study comparing how often Americans see violence as an option for dealing with things compared to other countries. Doesn't the US rate for assault and murder without firearms also run high? If that's so, then this clearly is a culture problem.

If I didn't know better, I'd say that we and Mexico both have inherited a bug from the Conquistadors....

[Kulindahr]

A gun in a every backpack.... Glock will come out with a new line of easy access armed school book bags....

The problem is society man... I have no suggestions for fixing that but the problem is society.

You obviously started this thread to say something I disagree with and so I will mock you without making a valid point.


[There now that i have summed up your opposition WE let me add my point]

There are always going to be violent deaths. Whether it is cops shooting a man racing at them with a 3000 pound car or a police station being lazy about weapons control in the station. We can not change the essence of mankind. We could affect their ability when they have gone nuts to easily procure massive amounts of ammo and weapons and high capacity magazines.

Even then we will still have killers who train themselves to be murderously effective at reloading and shooting accurately.

However isn't the times that the Holmes and the Lanza are prevented from having an easy path to destruction?

Even if we somehow had Jedi, there would still be Sith.

[Kulindahr]

20 dead kids has a way of mobilising opinions, yes.

There's no suggestion that gun restrictions would have changed anything about the incident in this thread. As JayHawk says, there will always be guns, maniacs, and incidents.

What this incident highlights is that things CAN and DO go wrong. When a lethal weapon is accessible to a crazed individual, people can get hurt. Which is yet another reason guns don't belong in schools. Simple as that, but the compsarison of circumstances is perfectly logical to me.

How is it a reason guns don't belong in schools?

Here, the madman could see guns, and go for one. Do you expect he will somehow have X-ray vision when he goes to a school, so he can tell which teachers are packing, and how? Or do you expect him to have some magic power to suddenly bring weapons out into the open that are concealed?

See, the thing about a concealed weapon is that no one else even knows you have it. If they suspect, they still don't know where you have it. If at that police station things had been like they would at a school, no one would have been dead at all, because the madman, if he'd decided to try to get a gun in the first place, would have had to tackle an officer, then try to see if he had a gun by searching him. Just how far would that have gone?

There's no comparison at all between a police station and a school.

[tombastep]

How is it a reason guns don't belong in schools?

There's no comparison at all between a police station and a school.

Yeah there isn't. A school is supposed to be a place where kids go to learn and Teachers go to teach. A Police station is full of Policemen and women who are the ones that are supposed to handle these kinds of people and other criminals. Which is why it is there is a reason why there shouldn't be guns in school, because it isn't a solution and these things can still happen when it comes to the people who are trained to handle such situations.

[chance1]

I am well rested but thank you for the feigned concern.

The poor baby moment is when you fail to prove your point but then have to resort to making your post contain more insults than on topic subject matter. I kept that private for your sake but you are right. Now need to keep private the embarrassment you make of yourself daily.

On Stevens read the report it says it clear as day. You are willfully confused because it doesn't measure up to your stance.

No you didn't say they had not followed protocol and from what i can tell that is not at question here. What is at question is whether or not this pertains to the overall gun control and protection situation in America. Obviously it does but you cannot make the links line up.

My concern is for the rest of the forum that has to put up with your incessant know it all ness and myself for your lame ass pms - yep - just got another

An arrested man somehow taking a gun from the police has NOTHING to do with gun control unless your plan is to not have police or disarm them - let me know which

Not a single news talking head on any network or respected writer has suggested Stevens was to blame for his own death

And the leader of the unit - Hillary - well she's still ducking and Obama still jiving and the resigned folks didn't really lose their gigs - talk about NO responsibility taken

And u have the stones to blame Stevens

As for the cops and the perp - not the first time - and not an example of the need for gun control

I'd ask again about the pms but it'd be pointless

[rareboy]

You know Chance.

Your endless whining about your PMS in this forum is getting pretty weird.

[chance1]

You know Chance.

Your endless whining about your PMS in this forum is getting pretty weird.

actually boyo sending tons of pms is sorta weird

especially after the cease & desist request

we don't need another cowboy bob

[rareboy]

^ Actually, admit it...you miss Bob like kittens.

oh...silly me. I thought you were talking about PMS. But you are talking about PMS.....................

[bankside]

Clearly what this police station needed was an armed kindergarten teacher.

[chance1]

^ Actually, admit it...you miss Bob like kittens.

oh...silly me. I thought you were talking about PMS. But you are talking about PMS.....................

What did happen to bob ?

My fav was he hated all people who shop at Walmart and those who complain about the price of gas

Which leaves no one to like

It's all relative rareboy

I miss Bob's consistency

[Nemothepanda]

First civilians at a movie theater, then teachers and children, followed by firefighters, and now our policemen are being shot. I can't help but feel that there is a pattern, or that we're just gradually growing more unstable with the economy and state as they are and as they grow less certain. Still, this string of shootings certainly won't go unheeded. Something is going to happen, I just don't know what.

[White Eagle]

I thought the holsters had a safety kind of thingy that the cop could release easily but the perp would have trouble opening it.
And chance this is not about Cowboy bob. Quit hijacking threads and trolling.

[Jack Springer]

It's too bad some on here can't read a story and comprehend what happened. The man was arrested, taken to the police station where he somehow got a hold of an officer's gun during processing and shot three people -- then was killed by an officer.

That's the whole story.


The conservation should be about the dumb officer that didn't protect his firearm. He failed in his job and should be disciplined.

Making this about gun control makes no sense, it just shows how much the anti-gun agenda people will go to promote their cause.

PS: I don't miss the nasty pm's.

[Jack Springer]

I thought the holsters had a safety kind of thingy that the cop could release easily but the perp would have trouble opening it.
And chance this is not about Cowboy bob. Quit hijacking threads and trolling.

It appears you hijacked your own thread and turned it into an thread about gun control when the story is purely about an incompetent cop.

[chance1]

I thought the holsters had a safety kind of thingy that the cop could release easily but the perp would have trouble opening it.
And chance this is not about Cowboy bob. Quit hijacking threads and trolling.

sorry white eagle

but this thread is in need of closure as the premise is faux - u were either mistaken or making an ideological stretch that is indefensible

a man in police custody apparently was able to get a weapon

not a great story

but NOTHING to do with gun control

and you should offer to remove the thread as it's based on a bogus premise

the real premise should be "GUN CONTROL IDEOLOGUES WILL SAY ANYTHING AND STOP AT NOTHING TO MAKE THE CASE"

unfortunately by doing this u actually fuck ur real case - automatic gun control - which is a worthy one

another ce+p groundhog day moment

others you ask?

calling someone a racist when they're not
calling someone a homophobe when they're not
calling someone an obama hater when they're not
many many more
but enough for now

FREEDOM !!!!

[Kulindahr]

Yeah there isn't. A school is supposed to be a place where kids go to learn and Teachers go to teach. A Police station is full of Policemen and women who are the ones that are supposed to handle these kinds of people and other criminals. Which is why it is there is a reason why there shouldn't be guns in school, because it isn't a solution and these things can still happen when it comes to the people who are trained to handle such situations.

In other words, because you feel a certain way about the issue you aren't willing to reason.

[Kulindahr]

You know Chance.

Your endless whining about your PMS in this forum is getting pretty weird.

Altered for accuracy.

[Kulindahr]

actually boyo sending tons of pms is sorta weird

especially after the cease & desist request

we don't need another cowboy bob

Bob provided us balance -- now we just have you; makes things really off kilter.