The NRA Solution is an insult to the Dead

[rareboy]

no i just got on and read the first post and that occured to me so knock off with the too lazy bullshit ( or is there a rule with your threads that one must read the entire story before being allowed to comment ? )

No. You just would have possibly have provided a more nuanced and thoughtful response.

[mitchymo]

There's no way this country is ever going to authorize the sort of house-to-house search making the US match Canada would take -- it violates too many individual rights protected by the Constitution.

Forgive me Kuli, but the key problem here afaic, is that your constitution plays a pivotal role in the whole sorry mess.

[iwantbig]

So the guard deters the shooter from shooting a school and he just goes to another high populated area and shoots there instead. Problem still exists.

the problem still exists because you still have a lunatic , remove all guns if you could and he wont be able to shoot 20 kids , he'll probaly go to an old peoples home and kill as many as he can with a pointy stick

[iwantbig]

havent seen anything yet

[andysayshi]

There is also observable scientific evidence that arming teachers would be more effective and far cheaper.

Please provide a reputable cite for this evidence.

[iwantbig]

no , still found nothing that answers that !

[tombastep]

no i just got on and read the first post and that occured to me so knock off with the too lazy bullshit ( or is there a rule with your threads that one must read the entire story before being allowed to comment ? )

I would think it is best to read comments in the thread to make sure and see what people have already said about the topic. Whether or not certain issues or comments have already been addressed. Otherwise you kind of look ignorant and or foolish for not doing that.

the problem still exists because you still have a lunatic , remove all guns if you could and he wont be able to shoot 20 kids , he'll probaly go to an old peoples home and kill as many as he can with a pointy stick

Who said anything about removing all guns? That won't solve the problem just as much as anyone suggests banning all violent games/movies or any other scape goat that people can come up with. There are specific types of guns and ammunition that in my opinion no one should be able to obtain.

I don't really care that people own guns even though I disagree with people "needing" them for protection, but at the same time it's completely naive to not think that having stricter laws or adjusting them isn't going to help the problem.

Edit: And suggesting that Teachers should be armed is kind of forcing them to be something that they shouldn't have to or obviously didn't want to be. Give Teachers guns it doesn't mean they'll be able to handle the situation. So now all these Teachers have to be trained to be Police Officers. You're going to be forcing people who don't want guns or someone who doesn't like them to have to handle one.

How is that even fair or even right? When the same people arguing for this would argue that it is wrong for someone to take away their guns. You're against people taking away ANY gun, but you're ok with giving more guns to people that don't want anything to do with them.

[rareboy]

no , still found nothing that answers that !

Well to be simple about it, my estimate was even way low. As someone else pointed out...to get even the same degree of coverage as you would in banks...you would need more than a million armed officers.

And you still apparently are too lazy to read why armed officers in schools don't work.

So I'll repeat it:

COLUMBINE HAD 2 ARMED OFFICERS ON DUTY, WHO ACTUALLY FIRED ON THE GUNMEN, BUT COULDN'T PREVENT THE MASSACRE.

So is that clear enough for you sunshine?

[HenryReardon]

Please provide a reputable cite for this evidence.

Try this on for size. School official retrieves gun from his vehicle and apprehends gunman.
Maybe if he'd been allowed to have the gun on premises, lives might have been saved. An
instance of responsible gun ownership working despite irresponsible restrictions at the school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting

The incident began on the morning of October 1, 1997 when Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother, Mary Woodham, as she prepared for a morning jog. At his trial, Woodham claimed that he could not remember killing his mother.

Woodham drove his mother's car to Pearl High School. Wearing a trench coat, to hide his rifle when he entered the school, Woodham fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Pearl High School's assistant band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing five feet away from Dew when she was fatally shot. Woodham went on to wound seven others.[2][3][4][5][6][7]

The school's assistant principal, Joel Myrick, retrieved a .45 pistol from his truck and, spotting him near the parking lot, shouted for Woodham to stop. Woodham instead got into a his mother's car and tried to escape. Myrick, a US Army Reserve commander, detained Woodham until authorities arrived.[8][9]

[andysayshi]

There's no way this country is ever going to authorize the sort of house-to-house search making the US match Canada would take -- it violates too many individual rights protected by the Constitution.

If it was tried, jurisdictions would run out of police long before they found a significant fraction of the guns.

You're right. The only way to combat the large scale gun ownership that plagues US society would be multi-generational - little by little year by year. I/m not aware of a gun control initiative in any nation post-WW2 nation that performed house to house searches.

So he throws pipe bombs through windows instead.

Can you cite an example of this happening in a US state with gun restrictions, or a nation with gun restrictions?

SBTW, arming teachers would be a LOT cheaper than setting up a bureaucracy to try to enforce tyrannical gun laws.

Can you provide a cite or the mathematics to justify this statement?

[rareboy]

the problem still exists because you still have a lunatic , remove all guns if you could and he wont be able to shoot 20 kids , he'll probaly go to an old peoples home and kill as many as he can with a pointy stick

So all you are doing now is trolling. If you have nothing to contribute of any value to the discussion, then this thread in CE&P isn't a good place for you to show us the size of your intellect.

[iwantbig]

tell ya what ? when i open a page and have a thought at the original post , i'll answer it , if other people had the same thought before me then good on them ,but i haven't seen any thing of the sort , his comment was about the cost ( among other things and i'm not arguing the point ) and i made an observation on that , must have hit a nerve !
my thoughts are that it is way too late to bother with gun control for the states , you cant come up with a solution for a buy back without bankrupting your country , haven't got the balls to ban them altogether and you've got so many illegal weapons it would hardly make a difference

[iwantbig]

So all you are doing now is trolling. If you have nothing to contribute of any value to the discussion, then this thread in CE&P isn't a good place for you to show us the size of your intellect.

wow you really got me there ! still didn't address my thought on your original post though !

[rareboy]

Try this on for size. School official retrieves gun from his vehicle and apprehends gunman.
Maybe if he'd been allowed to have the gun on premises, lives might have been saved. An
instance of responsible gun ownership working despite irresponsible restrictions at the school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting

The incident began on the morning of October 1, 1997 when Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother, Mary Woodham, as she prepared for a morning jog. At his trial, Woodham claimed that he could not remember killing his mother.

Woodham drove his mother's car to Pearl High School. Wearing a trench coat, to hide his rifle when he entered the school, Woodham fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Pearl High School's assistant band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing five feet away from Dew when she was fatally shot. Woodham went on to wound seven others.[2][3][4][5][6][7]

The school's assistant principal, Joel Myrick, retrieved a .45 pistol from his truck and, spotting him near the parking lot, shouted for Woodham to stop. Woodham instead got into a his mother's car and tried to escape. Myrick, a US Army Reserve commander, detained Woodham until authorities arrived.[8][9]

Oh yeah, Like no one would ever get caught in the crossfire and the shooter wouldn't just as likely take out the SWAT team of Teachers with pistols first.

At the end of the day, no teacher would fire on a gunman if there was another student at risk in the vicinity.

But what this whole scenario demonstrates is what I've pointed out about the paucity of balanced thinking. You and LaPierre and the other fringe right wingers on this just immediately jump to the automatic response of more violence being the solution to violence. My bomb is bigger. My assault weapon is better. I'm the good guy.

This is the culture of violence that makes the portrayal of first person shooter games and violent movies using military assault weapons so palatable and ingrained in North American culture.

You...like Lapierre and Springer...just don't get it. Never will.

[andysayshi]

the problem still exists because you still have a lunatic , remove all guns if you could and he wont be able to shoot 20 kids , he'll probaly go to an old peoples home and kill as many as he can with a pointy stick

As was ironically demonstrated in China last Friday, on the same day that Mr Lanza murdered so many children in Connecticut, a man in a nation with tight gun restrictions made a horrific attack on a children's school. He injured 20 staff and students with a knife before school staff attacked him with brooms, driving him out of the school until police apprehended him.

The result: no deaths, criminal apprehended.

What do you suppose the result would have been if the attacker had access to a Bushmaster .223 rifle, capable of firing its 30-round magazine in less than half a minute?

[iwantbig]

As was ironically demonstrated in China last Friday, on the same day that Mr Lanza murdered so many children in Connecticut, a man in a nation with tight gun restrictions made a horrific attack on a children's school. He injured 20 staff and students with a knife before school staff attacked him with brooms, driving him out of the school until police apprehended him.

The result: no deaths, criminal apprehended.

What do you suppose the result would have been if the attacker had access to a Bushmaster .223 rifle, capable of firing its 30-round magazine in less than half a minute?

dont hear me arguing the point ,my post said what it said very clearly .
as i said in another post , youve got so many guns there i'm wondering how much of a difference it would make for the states?
we dont have the same proportion of mass shootings here and it may be well because the average person ( or lunatic ) doesn't have a gun handy when he looses it ! ( just a pointy stick ) but our typical gangsta shooting each other stuff hasnt changed , the bad guys kept their guns !

[Rolyo85]

Kuli, I have to say I am not satisfied with your source. You said "provable evidence", and I didn't see any. As the one making the claim, it is your duty to provide the proof, as you've been the first to point out in many other topics.

Jack - watching porn makes me want to have sex. Playing videogames makes me want to kill zombies and aliens.

[iwantbig]

didnt realise you were over here , do agree with the stats?

[rareboy]

wow you really got me there ! still didn't address my thought on your original post though !

It already was addressed. You don't fucking get it do you.

At a time when the Republicans are blocking expenditure on everything....do you really thing that they will be throwing another 60 to 100 billion dollars at putting armed guards in schools? Do you really think that the community or state tax base will support the conversion of resources in the school system from educators to armed guards? In a foundering economy where most people are already resisting any more taxation?

It won't happen. And the NRA is off the hook by saying 'Well, we had a solution, but government wouldn't pay for it."

Our schools should not need to be lock-down bunkers. It is only further poisoning the minds of America's children and making them paranoid believers in what would literally become a police state. And do you think it would only be the schools? Nope. It would have to be everywhere there were groups of people. By virtue of the NRA's solution to 'protect' freedom, the US will become the absolute opposite...a society saturated with 'law' enforcement and paramilitary presence on every street corner.

But the NRA's masters would probably love this.

The initial post was to illustrate why the NRA response was an insult to the dead, not only of Sandyhook, but to the dead and the survivors of Columbine.

[iwantbig]

It already was addressed. You don't fucking get it do you.

At a time when the Republicans are blocking expenditure on everything....do you really thing that they will be throwing another 60 to 100 billion dollars at putting armed guards in schools? Do you really think that the community or state tax base will support the conversion of resources in the school system from educators to armed guards? In a foundering economy where most people are already resisting any more taxation?

It won't happen. And the NRA is off the hook by saying 'Well, we had a solution, but government wouldn't pay for it."

Our schools should not need to be lock-down bunkers. It is only further poisoning the minds of America's children and making them paranoid beleivers in what would literally become a police state.

The initial post was to illustrate why the NRA response was an insult to the dead, not only of Sandyhook, but to the dead and the survivors of Columbine.

your not loosing your temper are you ?
so is guarding your money more important than guarding your kids ?

[HenryReardon]

This is the culture of violence that makes the portrayal of first person shooter games and violent movies using military assault weapons so palatable and ingrained in North American culture.

You...like Lapierre and Springer...just don't get it. Never will.

We get it. That is, we get why there's such an imporant item in our basic rights. One of the best talk-show hosts on the air, Libertarian commentator Neal Boortz, announced his retirement last summer. He's off the air now, pending one final appearance in early January, but still posts things on his website every so often. The following statement from that site a couple of days ago sums it up:

Democrats absolutely hate the idea that a private individual American can own a gun for the purpose of self defense. They really hate the idea that one of the primary reasons our founding fathers included the 2nd Amendment in our Constitution was a recognition of the fact that a free people always should have the means to defend themselves from a despotic government. Democrats are the embodiment of a despotic government. It is perfectly natural or them to fear an armed citizenry.

He also had this to say:

3. This year 446 school age children have been shot in Chicago, and 62 have died. There has been NO push from the left for gun control resulting from the carnage in Chicago. Odd, don’t you think? By the way, Chicago has some of the most stringent gun control laws in the country. I’m sure you’ve seen these statistics on your favorite network television newscast, haven’t you? Wait! What?

4. The media will NEVER go to any great lengths to report on the use of privately owned firearms in self-defense. This is not part of the leftist agenda. There was a shooting in a mall in Portland, Oregon a few weeks ago that was reportedly halted by a private citizen with a concealed carry permit and a weapon. When the shooter saw the weapon he promptly shot himself. You didn’t hear that on your mainstream newscast, did you?

5. During a spate of school shootings in the late 1990s no less than three of those school shootings were halted by a civilian with a gun.

http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-...nd-sandy-hook/

[iwantbig]

how much do you think the buy back scheme would cost?

[tombastep]

Second Amendment is outdated. The founding fathers weren't talking about assault rifles, semi-automatics, etc.

[iwantbig]

some one tell me if i'm wrong ! but i heard on the news over here that the assault rifle was found in the car ? is that correct or a crossed wire ?

[andysayshi]

Try this on for size. School official retrieves gun from his vehicle and apprehends gunman.
Maybe if he'd been allowed to have the gun on premises, lives might have been saved. An
instance of responsible gun ownership working despite irresponsible restrictions at the school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting

The incident began on the morning of October 1, 1997 when Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother, Mary Woodham, as she prepared for a morning jog. At his trial, Woodham claimed that he could not remember killing his mother.

Woodham drove his mother's car to Pearl High School. Wearing a trench coat, to hide his rifle when he entered the school, Woodham fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Pearl High School's assistant band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing five feet away from Dew when she was fatally shot. Woodham went on to wound seven others.[2][3][4][5][6][7]

The school's assistant principal, Joel Myrick, retrieved a .45 pistol from his truck and, spotting him near the parking lot, shouted for Woodham to stop. Woodham instead got into a his mother's car and tried to escape. Myrick, a US Army Reserve commander, detained Woodham until authorities arrived.[8][9]

Some thoughts, Henry.

(1) An anecdotal example does not constitute scientific evidence.

(2) Note that a gun was not discharged in the apprehension of the criminal.

(3) Your example is of a military-trained professional apprehending an untrained civilian. How does this correlate to Kulindahr's recommendation that elementary school teachers take up arms? Are they to undertake mandatory weapons training before their appointment as elementary school teachers ? How often will their weapon competency be tested, and who will fund the training and testing procedures? Will their weapons be provided by the Government? Given your criticism of Government interference in most matters outside a standing army, would you support this expenditure of many billions of dollars per year?

[andysayshi]

dont hear me arguing the point ,my post said what it said very clearly .
as i said in another post , youve got so many guns there i'm wondering how much of a difference it would make for the states?
we dont have the same proportion of mass shootings here and it may be well because the average person ( or lunatic ) doesn't have a gun handy when he looses it ! ( just a pointy stick ) but our typical gangsta shooting each other stuff hasnt changed , the bad guys kept their guns !

Sorry, but as I don't know where you are located, I don't know where "here" is.

Also, do you actually mean "looses it", or "loses it"? Sorry, not being a spelling pedant - it just changes the meaning of your sentence.

[iwantbig]

Sorry, but as I don't know where you are located, I don't know where "here" is.

Also, do you actually mean "looses it", or "loses it"? Sorry, not being a spelling pedant - it just changes the meaning of your sentence.

Australia , your profile says " Sydney " and yeah im not the best with the spelling so " loses it "may be the correct but i imagine you can see where i'm coming from .

[HenryReardon]

Some thoughts, Henry.

(1) An anecdotal example does not constitute scientific evidence.

(?

Meaning that you don't believe it actually happened. Dream on.

[HenryReardon]

Australia , your profile says " Sydney " and yeah im not the best with the spelling so " loses it "may be the correct but i imagine you can see where i'm coming from .

A common error in the US, but give him a break. The Brits and the Aussies have some slightly different spelling/grammar conventions.
Anyone whose done any editing knows that.

[Rolyo85]

your not loosing your temper are you ?
so is guarding your money more important than guarding your kids ?

I am not going to be very offensive, but I need to say that perhaps it's good to be able to spell properly before presuming to address complex social and political issues. Just a thought.

Guarding your money is not more important than guarding your kids, but your money is more prone to a direct armed attack by criminals than the school your kids are in. And The way to guard money is entirely different - and way more direct - than the way we should be guarding our kids.

[Rolyo85]

A common error in the US, but give him a break. The Brits and the Aussies have some slightly different spelling/grammar conventions.
Anyone whose done any editing knows that.

Yeah, the difference between "loose" and "lose" is universal. Same as between "your" and "you're"...

[andysayshi]

Meaning that you don't believe it actually happened. Dream on.

I believe it happened 100% Henry, and have never stated otherwise.

As any scientist or statistician will tell you, however, one event is not statistically significant in the assessment of trends or patterns. The US averages three mass shootings per year. If you could provide one similar event per year for the past ten years, I would certainly agree to recognising a pattern of successful intervention that was statistically significant.

Also, would you care to address my points 2 and 3 in my original post?

[chance1]

Not a tangent at all. Reality. It is a special place the rest of us live in.

Why forever more would I have anything bad to say to you? I simply tell you the truth.

Your response is another classic case of Chance argument style 101. When you have no point address the user.

So go ahead and debunk the already proven fact that security does not work to prevent mass murder. Would love to hear how you come to such a conclusion.

Not a tangent ? Mitt Romney and praying away the gay ?

Your ego will not allow u to STFU

As for security

If I had a son or daughter in a school that had a visit from Lanza 2

I'd feel better with an armed guard

They'd have a better chance

Think Die Hard

As for Columbine - very unique situation - school size particular attackers etc.

Not a gun guy - never had one don't want one

But not an ideological slave either

And thanks but keep your "truth" pms to yourself

[iwantbig]

thanks all for being so tolerant with my spelling , and i didn't actually come here to argue , i just made a comment on the way that every thing is determined on cost now days ( may be it all ways was ) .
we used to hear that certain schools in the states had armed guards to protect the teachers from the students and the students from each other

[andysayshi]

Australia , your profile says " Sydney " and yeah im not the best with the spelling so " loses it "may be the correct but i imagine you can see where i'm coming from .

Sorry, seriously wasn't playing spelling Nazi, just wanted to be sure I understood what you were saying.

Yes, I am in Sydney! Where u at?

[HenryReardon]

Yeah, the difference between "loose" and "lose" is universal. Same as between "your" and "you're"...

As a published author with experience in editing, I disagree on those last two. Your and you're are quite different and using one in place of the other violates the Chicago Manual of Style and others. Loose and lose is simply careless, unless it's ingrained into a particular country.

And yes, I get careless in these forums. Spellcheck doesn't seem to work correctly, and time is important, particularly when you have a deadline approaching.

[tombastep]

Not a tangent ? Mitt Romney and praying away the gay ?

Your ego will not allow u to STFU

As for security

If I had a son or daughter in a school that had a visit from Lanza 2

I'd feel better with an armed guard

They'd have a better chance

Think Die Hard

As for Columbine - very unique situation - school size particular attackers etc.

Not a gun guy - never had one don't want one

But not an ideological slave either

And thanks but keep your "truth" pms to yourself

This sounds like a tangent.

[rareboy]

your not loosing your temper are you ?
so is guarding your money more important than guarding your kids ?

pffffffft Hardly.

It is just that it is a logical fallacy to say that because there are armed guards in some banks, that if people loved their kids, they would put armed guards in every classroom.

Who has time for stupid false equivalencies? Particularly when the person goes on to joke about someone going to a semiors' home and killing them with a pointed stick.

Money is a high risk target for crime. Children aren't.

It is the hallmark of a failed state when parents require an armed presence in the classroom to play the odds that their children won't get mowed down by military assault weapons because they are so readily available in a country obsessed with being militiamen.

You don't get that apparently.

[rareboy]

A common error in the US, but give him a break. The Brits and the Aussies have some slightly different spelling/grammar conventions.
Anyone whose done any editing knows that.

And that is just crap too. Losing is losing. You should know that better than anyone here.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...sing#loose__22

[bankside]

OK, we'll just blame guns and the NRA for the deaths -- even though no NRA member has done any of the shootings.

No personal insults from me -- but have a question -- If you watch porn, what does it make you want to do?

If you watch videos of people destroying their guns, paying their taxes, reducing carbon emissions, and walking into hospitals without their wallets, what does it make you want to do?

[iwantbig]

pffffffft Hardly.

It is just that it is a logical fallacy to say that because there are armed guards in some banks, that if people loved their kids, they would put armed guards in every classroom.

Who has time for stupid false equivalencies? Particularly when the person goes on to joke about someone going to a semiors' home and killing them with a pointed stick.

Money is a high risk target for crime. Children aren't.

It is the hallmark of a failed state when parents require an armed presence in the classroom to play the odds that their children won't get mowed down by military assault weapons because they are so readily available in a country obsessed with being militiamen.

You don't get that apparently.

i didn't joke about a " semiors" home ( hows your spellcheck )
my point was , lunatics are lunatics
apparently children are a high risk target for violent crime in the states , do many bank robbers go to the bank to shoot people ?
in many small business people are told to " give them the money , its insured "
you missed the point that you made , something about a failed state ?

[rareboy]

Not a tangent ? Mitt Romney and praying away the gay ?

Your ego will not allow u to STFU

As for security

If I had a son or daughter in a school that had a visit from Lanza 2

I'd feel better with an armed guard

They'd have a better chance

Think Die Hard

As for Columbine - very unique situation - school size particular attackers etc.

Not a gun guy - never had one don't want one

But not an ideological slave either

And thanks but keep your "truth" pms to yourself

Well well well..... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Just sayin'.........................

[rareboy]

i didn't joke about a " semiors" home ( hows your spellcheck )
my point was , lunatics are lunatics
apparently children are a high risk target for violent crime in the states , do many bank robbers go to the bank to shoot people ?
in many small business people are told to " give them the money , its insured "
you missed the point that you made , something about a failed state ?

Actually, the guards aren't there for the money. They are actually theoretically there to protect people, as a visible deterrent, not the money. And surprise. Most bank branches don't have armed guards. That is just in the movies, I think you'll find.

Certainly here in Canada, probably less than 1% of banks have armed guards. It is the same deal. Give the bank robber the money. The last thing that any bank needs is an armed shoot-out.

And children should not be made to feel that they are the target of violent crime. Our children are already neurotic enough.

[iwantbig]

so just incase anyone thought i was making jokes , my point was in response to the comment indicating that the " nutter " would go to a less secure place than a school ( if schools had adequate armed guards to deter afore mentioned nutter ) . it was meant as agreement to that and to show that in my opinion he would choose a soft target if he was dead set on killing people , an example of the next most helpless of our communities , not a joke .
we've heard various stories of the connection between this bloke and the school ? anyone fill me in on the latest version ?
asking because i am unsure , the last i heard they were still unsure of the motive ?
so was he dead set on this school or was it just the nearest soft target ?
any one got an answer on the assault rifle question ?

[Rolyo85]

As a published author with experience in editing, I disagree on those last two. Your and you're are quite different and using one in place of the other violates the Chicago Manual of Style and others. Loose and lose is simply careless, unless it's ingrained into a particular country.

And yes, I get careless in these forums. Spellcheck doesn't seem to work correctly, and time is important, particularly when you have a deadline approaching.

As a published author, you suck at reading. I just said that the DIFFERENCE between "your" and "you're" is universal despite the language, and you told me that no, those are different. I mean... duh?

And because spellcheck is unreliable, I opt for just being good at spelling. It's easier for foreigners, admittedly, because we don't learn the language from listening to it, but still... It's a serious forum with serious things being discussed. Sucking at spelling doesn't really do much for someone who wants to be taken seriously.

[Rolyo85]

It is the hallmark of a failed state when parents require an armed presence in the classroom to play the odds that their children won't get mowed down by military assault weapons because they are so readily available in a country obsessed with being militiamen.

Beautifully said, and bears repeating.

[chance1]

Ideological slavery exposes dumb

Lots of nakedness here - very unattractive

[chance1]

Beautifully said, and bears repeating.

Ode to (bad) Santa

hahahahahahahahahaha

ode = tribute

[Rolyo85]

Your haikus are beginning to look like algorithms...

[HenryReardon]

It's a serious forum with serious things being discussed. .

Serious thing may well be being discussed in this forum, but they are seldom, if ever, discussed seriously. And that's the truth.