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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    This is a prime example of anti gun ideology trumping rational thought

    Imagine:

    You have a 6-7 year old son or daughter
    They're in a school where a Lanza enters to slaughter as many as possible

    Would you rather the school has an armed guard?
    Or not ?

    No brainer

    Option 1 provides u with the potential for your child coming home - no guarantees but a fighting chance

    Option 2 doesn't
    How many times does the guard at columbine need to be brought up? Does that mean the guard will always not matter? No. But we are right back where we started.

    It is not a real solution.

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    Re: The NRA Solution is an insult to the Dead

    It's a question of chicken and the egg.

    Some studies might show that people who play violent video games and watch violent movies are more likely to become violent.

    But for all we know it's simply people with a more violent nature who seek this material more than the average person.

    I think this type of material is more likely to effect how violence is executed... but not so much the amount of it.

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    Re: The NRA Solution is an insult to the Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    This is a prime example of anti gun ideology trumping rational thought

    Imagine:

    You have a 6-7 year old son or daughter
    They're in a school where a Lanza enters to slaughter as many as possible

    Would you rather the school has an armed guard?
    Or not ?

    No brainer

    Option 1 provides u with the potential for your child coming home - no guarantees but a fighting chance

    Option 2 doesn't
    This is an example of pro-gun ideology trumping rational thought more like.
    Your example considers a Lanza with an unrestricted firearm. Teachers in the UK provide an adequate practical defence for their pupils in a nation WITH guns restricted. As was the case when the last such attack involved a machete, a close combat weapon that enabled the female teacher to take a serious injury to save the lives of her children, some of whom were also attacked. All survived the incident.

    Guns worsen such incidents, restricting them reigns in the excess of such incidents when acknowledging, like Obama does, that you'll NEVER have guarentees of any restriction working. You just have to look north of your border to see that restriction seems to do a damn fine job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    This is a prime example of anti gun ideology trumping rational thought

    Imagine:

    You have a 6-7 year old son or daughter
    They're in a school where a Lanza enters to slaughter as many as possible

    Would you rather the school has an armed guard?
    Or not ?

    No brainer

    Option 1 provides u with the potential for your child coming home - no guarantees but a fighting chance

    Option 2 doesn't
    The point is that with adequate gun regulation, the Lanza has no gun when he enters the school, and likely doesn't enter at all. I am all for having UNarmed guards in schools. Many schools already have some anyway. And adequate gun regulation costs less than arming the world against the world, not to mention the other develop countries show us that the result would be superior.
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    Re: The NRA Solution is an insult to the Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tombastep View Post
    How many times does the guard at columbine need to be brought up? Does that mean the guard will always not matter? No. But we are right back where we started.

    It is not a real solution.
    I know it's not ideal on many levels

    But from a protecting life standpoint it's clearly better

    Columbine is one specific instance that does not set the standard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    The point is that with adequate gun regulation, the Lanza has no gun when he enters the school, and likely doesn't enter at all. I am all for having UNarmed guards in schools. Many schools already have some anyway. And adequate gun regulation costs less than arming the world against the world, not to mention the other develop countries show us that the result would be superior.
    It's 2 issues and not one

    Automatic gun control must and will happen

    Which doesn't preclude a crazy from getting access or a school from deciding to take extra precaution

    I'm not voting for armed guards

    But suggesting kids aren't safer is ideology trumping reality

    IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geiri85 View Post
    It's a question of chicken and the egg.

    Some studies might show that people who play violent video games and watch violent movies are more likely to become violent.
    And not too long ago, we had the same "studies" and baseless accusations about Comicbooks. They will always be looking for a scape goat.

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    So the guard deters the shooter from shooting a school and he just goes to another high populated area and shoots there instead. Problem still exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geiri85 View Post
    It's a question of chicken and the egg.

    Some studies might show that people who play violent video games and watch violent movies are more likely to become violent.

    But for all we know it's simply people with a more violent nature who seek this material more than the average person.

    I think this type of material is more likely to effect how violence is executed... but not so much the amount of it.
    Not sure about that because when you watch more porn (normal porn no kinks),
    you are less likely to be sexually aggressive.


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    Re: The NRA Solution is an insult to the Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    This is a prime example of anti gun ideology trumping rational thought

    Imagine:

    You have a 6-7 year old son or daughter
    They're in a school where a Lanza enters to slaughter as many as possible

    Would you rather the school has an armed guard?
    Or not ?

    No brainer

    Option 1 provides u with the potential for your child coming home - no guarantees but a fighting chance

    Option 2 doesn't
    The way in which rational thought gets fucked sideways with a cactus is through this belief that a gun is a magic wand.

    But what the hell, let's join 'em.

    Imagine (and John Lennon is rolling over in his urn that you used that word to introduce those remarks, but I digress):

    You have a 6-7 year old son or daughter
    They're in a school where a Lanza enters to slaughter as many as possible

    Would you rather the school has an armed guard?
    Or would you rather your child was the Chosen One who could bend the Matrix to just stop the bullets mid-air and send Lanza fleeing for his life?

    See? Two completely out-of-touch options that completely miss the point: Children raised in communities with few or no guns don't have to worry about a Lanza, and neither do their parents.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: The NRA Solution is an insult to the Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    It's 2 issues and not one

    Automatic gun control must and will happen

    Which doesn't preclude a crazy from getting access or a school from deciding to take extra precaution

    I'm not voting for armed guards

    But suggesting kids aren't safer is ideology trumping reality

    IMHO
    Look, on this issue we are actually on the same page, so I am not trying to argue. I think the point that was being made was that though kids would be safer, it would not be effective, they would not be much safer, and it would utterly fail to address the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Look, on this issue we are actually on the same page, so I am not trying to argue. I think the point that was being made was that though kids would be safer, it would not be effective, they would not be much safer, and it would utterly fail to address the issue.
    fair enough

    there was a former romney advisor on morning joe last week - good guy - couple of kids - joe was quizzing him on republican reaction - what it should be, etc. and he said something that hit me

    that when a parent drops their kids off at achool, it is assumed that for the time they're there - until you see them next - that they're safe - there's no debate - no worry - u can get on with your day working w/o worrying about that basic safety aspect

    and now that's gone

    joe s. told the story about how the morning of the shooting he called his kids school and said "i'm coming to pick them up" and he was told "don't do that - we can't have mass hysteria here - let's try to keep some semblance of order" - he backed off

    yes we are in agreement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corny View Post
    And not too long ago, we had the same "studies" and baseless accusations about Comicbooks. They will always be looking for a scape goat.

    Civilized life has grown altogether too tame, and, if it is to be stable, it must provide harmless outlets for the impulses which our remote ancestors satisfied in hunting. (Bertrand Russell Nobel Lecture, Dec. 11th 1950)
    scape goat

    what an inappropriate term

    jews in germany were scapegoats

    videogames are not scapegoats

    as for comic books - they're static - u read them - there's no killing by the reader

    many videogames glorify violence - w/o consequence - it's sick

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    Inappropriate? Why? English might not be my first language, but I do know the words

    a : one that bears the blame for others
    b : one that is the object of irrational hostility
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scapegoat

    Also see the examples for its usage.
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    Re: The NRA Solution is an insult to the Dead

    The only thing Sandy Hook having a armed security type person there would have done is added that persons name to the list of dead. A officer of the law is not impervious to bullets. A person KNOWING that someone like that existed would ensure they went there first. The armed police office at Columbine engaged the two killers TWICE and still how many people died?

    Every mall has security. How many mall shootings have you read about.

    Today they laid to rest two police officers who were shot in the line of duty in Topeka. They carried guns, knew there was a threat every day and were shot to death with those guns in their holsters.


    The point is that guards are not the answer to this problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    scape goat

    what an inappropriate term

    jews in germany were scapegoats

    videogames are not scapegoats

    as for comic books - they're static - u read them - there's no killing by the reader

    many videogames glorify violence - w/o consequence - it's sick

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/famil...ids/index.html
    1) How come you completely dodged my question earlier?

    2) As with any study that skips many factors, that I have earlier talked about. Whether these kids were depressed before hand, what environment they're in, whether there is any kind of abuse, domestic abuse, divorce, etc. These are all factors in altering a younger childs behavior, but of course a study such as that doesn't consider those because it has an agenda.

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    The answer is simple, just put your TRUST in GOD and pray that it will not happen again. He'll jump right on it!
    one of the worst tragedies in life is being forgotten by some one you can never forget!

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    Re: The NRA Solution is an insult to the Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The only thing Sandy Hook having a armed security type person there would have done is added that persons name to the list of dead. A officer of the law is not impervious to bullets. A person KNOWING that someone like that existed would ensure they went there first. The armed police office at Columbine engaged the two killers TWICE and still how many people died?

    Every mall has security. How many mall shootings have you read about.

    Today they laid to rest two police officers who were shot in the line of duty in Topeka. They carried guns, knew there was a threat every day and were shot to death with those guns in their holsters.


    The point is that guards are not the answer to this problem.
    sigh.

    This.

    This is why La Pierre's statement is so unbefuckinglievably offensive...not only to the dead and the families and friends of the dead at Sandyhook...but honest to Christ people....when I listened and then read the remarks...I actually did almost get sick to my stomach because he seemed to be somehow insulting all the dead....and their families.....and the two armed officers who were at Columbine that day......it was just like he had taken a semi-automatic weapon and opened fire on the sensibilities and emotions of everyone.

    And now he's going to spend the Sunday before Christmas appearing on Meet the Press to try to justify his remarks.


    This man is garbage, Human garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    The only thing Sandy Hook having a armed security type person there would have done is added that persons name to the list of dead. A officer of the law is not impervious to bullets. A person KNOWING that someone like that existed would ensure they went there first. The armed police office at Columbine engaged the two killers TWICE and still how many people died?

    Every mall has security. How many mall shootings have you read about.

    Today they laid to rest two police officers who were shot in the line of duty in Topeka. They carried guns, knew there was a threat every day and were shot to death with those guns in their holsters.


    The point is that guards are not the answer to this problem.
    More faux certainty

    So now the argument is having a gun having security is no security at all

    Because having a gun is ideological poison

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    Re: The NRA Solution is an insult to the Dead

    I think the point is that we KNOW, through observable evidence, that placing armed guards in a given location does not guarantee a massacre won't take place.

    We also know, through observable evidence, that restricting weaponry reduces death tolls. This is true state-to-state in the US, and it is true internationally.

    There's no faux certainty here. There is observable scientific evidence that gun restrictions are more effective than armed guards at reducing gun deaths.

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    What is a faux reality is when you lose an argument and therefore must resort to fantastical theory. We saw it in the trouncing Mitt Romney took that the true ideologues could not grasp therefore they created an alternate reality devoid of facts. We saw it when science pulled the rug out from under creation theory. We see it when demonstrative proof shows praying away the gay doesn't work. In fact, that sort of thing does more harm than help besides not 'curing' homosexuality. We see it now. Their desire to make reality match there ideology requires a suspension of disbelief. It is all the republican party holds as a value anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I am a gamer and I've never heard of such a game. Do you have any sources for this? I'm curious. It's not a mainstream project.

    By the way, people didn't "sweep" the videogame violence thing "under the rug", it's just laughable and a classic go-to topic for old ladies who have no idea of how human psychology works. Suspension of disbelief is a part of every mentally healthy individual's psyche and if a videogame can influence you to kill people, then you are already damaged to the point that something WILL influence you to kill people one way or the other.
    There was a study done on the topic of children and violence a few years back that tracked what their daily activities were instead of just sticking to games of violence. The results were interesting especially for the activity that most highly correlated with the study subjects engaging in real violence. It was one that no one had ever guessed: watching the evening news.

    Playing games of violence wasn't even close in the degree of correlation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Okay.. well I have a question for you Kuli that i just read on Huffington Post i think...

    Columbine had an armed police officer on duty at the school.

    Go back and read that again.

    Now tell me what does hiring 25000 peace officers do if it is already proven NOT to solve the problem?
    That's why I'd rather arm the teachers. When you put someone there in uniform, you may as well paint a target on him/her saying, "Shoot me first! Then do what you want!"

    This is why concealed carry is more a deterrent to crime than open carry. If everyone who wanted to carry a weapon had to wear it where it was visible, criminals would know who to avoid. With concealed carry, the criminal has no way to tell who is armed, and so tends to play it safe and switch to crimes where/when no one else is around.

    If teachers could carry, there would be a deterrent even for schools which didn't have any armed, so long as they didn't advertise it. Anyone deciding he wants to kill a lot of people would know that at a school there would be good odds someone would shoot back, ruining the shooting spree perhaps even before it really started.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Keep in mind most of these shooters end up killing themselves. The idea that they will be scared be scared of an armed guard when they don't fear death is absurd.
    They won't be scared, except of the presence of an armed guard meaning they might not get to shoot many people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    It's a question of chicken and the egg.

    Some studies might show that people who play violent video games and watch violent movies are more likely to become violent.

    But for all we know it's simply people with a more violent nature who seek this material more than the average person.
    That's what you get when the only thing you have is correlation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laufey View Post
    I think this type of material is more likely to effect how violence is executed... but not so much the amount of it.
    Now that's an interesting notion!

    Quote Originally Posted by mitchymo View Post
    This is an example of pro-gun ideology trumping rational thought more like.
    Your example considers a Lanza with an unrestricted firearm. Teachers in the UK provide an adequate practical defence for their pupils in a nation WITH guns restricted. As was the case when the last such attack involved a machete, a close combat weapon that enabled the female teacher to take a serious injury to save the lives of her children, some of whom were also attacked. All survived the incident.

    Guns worsen such incidents, restricting them reigns in the excess of such incidents when acknowledging, like Obama does, that you'll NEVER have guarentees of any restriction working. You just have to look north of your border to see that restriction seems to do a damn fine job.
    There's no way this country is ever going to authorize the sort of house-to-house search making the US match Canada would take -- it violates too many individual rights protected by the Constitution.

    If it was tried, jurisdictions would run out of police long before they found a significant fraction of the guns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    The point is that with adequate tyrannical gun regulation, the Lanza has no gun when he enters the school, and likely doesn't enter at all. I am all for having UNarmed guards in schools. Many schools already have some anyway. And adequate gun regulation costs less than arming the world against the world, not to mention the other develop countries show us that the result would be superior.
    So he throws pipe bombs through windows instead.

    BTW, arming teachers would be a LOT cheaper than setting up a bureaucracy to try to enforce tyrannical gun laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I know it's not ideal on many levels

    But from a protecting life standpoint it's clearly better

    Columbine is one specific instance that does not set the standard
    Arming teachers would be better than having a cop there, but of course it's not ideal, either.

    There is no one "solution", so whatever is done is going to have to have "layers" of protection. Restrict the use of large magazines to shooting ranges and/or gun clubs, open the NICS system to private sellers -- heck, require it for on-line sales! -- bolster the basic mental health system, give public institutions the authority to report dangerous people to the NICS... all these should be done.

    Then a potential shooter may be prevented from snapping in the first place by better mental health care availability; may be caught by a college or trade school and reported, and can't buy online, so it's harder to get a gun; can't use a large magazine outside a shooting range and so is more limited in slaughter; and if he gets through all that and thinks about a target, the idea of armed teachers would make him think twice about hitting a school because, after all, he wants a free hand to make a "big splash".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    So the guard deters the shooter from shooting a school and he just goes to another high populated area and shoots there instead. Problem still exists.
    Yep. That's another reason hiring armed guards is silly -- that's a lot of money just to make shooters go somewhere else.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    This is why concealed carry is more a deterrent to crime than open carry. If everyone who wanted to carry a weapon had to wear it where it was visible, criminals would know who to avoid.
    I'm not convinced that teachers should be armed; however, the concept reminds me of the Federal Air Marshals that may or may not be present on civilian commercial aircraft. In that situation, the uncertainty is itself a deterrent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    See? Two completely out-of-touch options that completely miss the point: Children raised in communities with few or no guns don't have to worry about a Lanza, and neither do their parents.
    Except the statistics someone posted about Europe show that mass shootings still happen just about as often.

    These are the freaks shows that aren't going to be stopped unless we require everyone to wear only skin-tight clothing. And that's worrisome, because as I understand it Europe has much better mental health infrastructure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    sigh.

    This.

    This is why La Pierre's statement is so unbefuckinglievably offensive...not only to the dead and the families and friends of the dead at Sandyhook...but honest to Christ people....when I listened and then read the remarks...I actually did almost get sick to my stomach because he seemed to be somehow insulting all the dead....and their families.....and the two armed officers who were at Columbine that day......it was just like he had taken a semi-automatic weapon and opened fire on the sensibilities and emotions of everyone.

    And now he's going to spend the Sunday before Christmas appearing on Meet the Press to try to justify his remarks.


    This man is garbage, Human garbage.
    Yes. He has written some decently scholarly books about firearms, but he doesn't know crap about tactics in the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Now that's an interesting notion!
    Like the shootings at the movie theater this year.

    Nobody is gonna tell me that guy wouldn't have killed anyone if the movie had never been made. He would have just done it differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    I think the point is that we KNOW, through observable evidence, that placing armed guards in a given location does not guarantee a massacre won't take place.

    We also know, through observable evidence, that restricting weaponry reduces death tolls. This is true state-to-state in the US, and it is true internationally.

    There's no faux certainty here. There is observable scientific evidence that gun restrictions are more effective than armed guards at reducing gun deaths.
    There is also observable scientific evidence that arming teachers would be more effective and far cheaper.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I'm not convinced that teachers should be armed; however, the concept reminds me of the Federal Air Marshals that may or may not be present on civilian commercial aircraft. In that situation, the uncertainty is itself a deterrent.
    Exactly. The uncertainty of knowing which teachers were armed (if any) would add an element of uncertainty which deters more than absolutely knowing people at the school were armed. Shooters in such situations don't like the element of gambling on the whole thing; they want a nice situation where at least for a time they can kill at will.

    Statistics on the effects of concealed firearms suggest that only about one school in five would actually have to have armed teachers, so long as :

    1. the first school attacked in this fashion after arming teachers was establish had some who took down the shooter quickly, and
    2. there was no way to know which schools had armed teachers.

    The image that would come to mind of any shooter would be going down ignominiously at the hands of a normally quiet person such as a teacher. That is so contrary to the desired burst of "glory" the shooter would go somewhere else.

    Of course that wouldn't help society, but it would protect the kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    What is a faux reality is when you lose an argument and therefore must resort to fantastical theory. We saw it in the trouncing Mitt Romney took that the true ideologues could not grasp therefore they created an alternate reality devoid of facts. We saw it when science pulled the rug out from under creation theory. We see it when demonstrative proof shows praying away the gay doesn't work. In fact, that sort of thing does more harm than help besides not 'curing' homosexuality. We see it now. Their desire to make reality match there ideology requires a suspension of disbelief. It is all the republican party holds as a value anymore.
    Tangent much

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    Not a tangent at all. Reality. It is a special place the rest of us live in.

    Why forever more would I have anything bad to say to you? I simply tell you the truth.

    Your response is another classic case of Chance argument style 101. When you have no point address the user.

    So go ahead and debunk the already proven fact that security does not work to prevent mass murder. Would love to hear how you come to such a conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Not a tangent at all. Reality. It is a special place the rest of us live in.

    Why forever more would I have anything bad to say to you? I simply tell you the truth.

    Your response is another classic case of Chance argument style 101. When you have no point address the user.

    So go ahead and debunk the already proven fact that security does not work to prevent mass murder. Would love to hear how you come to such a conclusion.
    I'm not sure there's enough data to call it a proof -- but it is of dubious utility, at least when it comes to uniformed security, because they're just obvious targets. If you want uniformed security that's actually going to protect a school, you'd probably want one for each hundred kids or so, but with never less than three. And that's ridiculous....

    because . . .

    According to the census, there's about 64 million kids in schools (excluding colleges). That's 640,000 groups of one hundred. Since the populations are going to come out uneven, and because there are schools with less than 200 students, let's round that up conservatively to 650,000. So we need 3,850,000 cops to cover it. That's over five times as many law enforcement personnel as the nation has already.

    Uniformed security is not workable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    What you're saying is that the daily visuals of murder and blood in video games, TV, and movies have no influence on people?

    You come off as a small man when you continually insult me and other with remarks like "old ladies".
    Video games don't. Countless studies have proven that they do not increase violent tendencies in anyone. The mere suggestion of it by anyone in a serious discussion means that they don't know what they're talking about.

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    I am currently traveling and my Internet access is sporadic, but I have been lurking and reading posts. Here's a summary response to this topic:

    1. The NRA's Response was a Joke - LaPierre's rant was so out of touch, that it is being near universally panned by the American public. Just look at some of these covers media publications responded to the press conference:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2352203.html
    When my family heard the excerpts of the press conference, they were disgusted. I was disgusted. It was so insensitive to the victims of Sandy Hook and irrational to the realities school face when it comes to safety. So I will address it point by point.

    2. NRA Solution is Big Government-Police State - I find it hypocritical from some who have responded to this topic that they feel the NRA is making a rational solution. To put a police officer in every public elementary, middle, and high school is absurd both in the nature of safety, and of cost. Just *who* is going to pay the $7+ billion per year to pay for a police officer for every year? The local government? State government? Is this a federal expenditure? When we're arguing over the national deficit with the nation about to go over a fiscal cliff, I find it absolutely absurd that the nation's largest conservative lobbying organization would demand the government to pay for hundreds of thousands of new police officers on a national scale!

    3. NRA Solution Ignores the Symptoms - Rather than address preventative matters that have lead up to these mass shootings, the NRA's solution is just to have more guns. Another shooting? More people just need guns! The reality is we have assault weapons that are selling like hotcakes throughout this entire country. Weapons that can kill massive quantities of people in a short amount of time. We have ammunition designed not to deter a perpetrator, but to technologically inflict the most damage possible inside a human body. We have clips that can unload dozens of bullets before the gun needs to be reloaded. This needs to change. We must have a "well-regulated militia" as the Constitution dictates. Citizens have the rights to arm but there does come a point where the weapons available becomes a threat to the common society. The NRA also ignores part of the solution being addressing mental health. We need to also address the mentally ill in this country. We have too many of them wandering the streets aimlessly and in great pain and suffering. No one is taking care of them. We have families who are too overwhelmed with taking care of their mentally ill children. They need more help. Another reality is that state budgets have cut special education funding all across the country. My state included. These mentally ill students need the most help and have faced the most cuts when it comes to education. There was no call from the NRA to help these people.

    4. NRA Blames Video Games - It is the exhaustive mantra of the NRA to say, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Yet, in the NRA's press conference, and with the support of some here, they believe video games are responsible for causing these mass shootings. Well let me just say to all of you, "Video games don't kill people, people kill people." I grew up on video games. Hell, my brother and I just played a round of Halo. Video games have never given me an impulse to harm other human beings. None of my cousins or friends that I played Goldeneye and Call of Duty games with have ever picked up a gun to shoot someone.

    5. Nobody wants to ban all guns - Nobody is saying this. It isn't on the table. Stop making paranoid statements that any gun regulation is the end of all gun ownership for Americans. It's not. Stop fear-mongering and derailing the discussions we have on this topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    There is also observable scientific evidence that arming teachers would be more effective and far cheaper.
    Is there? Where?
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    Here's a big issue for me. We keep hearing how armed guards etc will deter mass shooters. The problem is when most of them plan their shooting sprees,them coming out alive is NOT part of the plan.
    Kinda hard to scare someone who isn't afraid to die don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Here's a big issue for me. We keep hearing how armed guards etc will deter mass shooters. The problem is when most of them plan their shooting sprees,them coming out alive is NOT part of the plan.
    Kinda hard to scare someone who isn't afraid to die don't you think?
    They wouldn't be there to scare them, they'd be there to kill them.

    Its a ridiculously unserious proposal. Most highschools already have a police officer in them. Many middle schools do as well. (ours was called a 'resource officer') One person is not enough to protect a large building, and more than one just multiplies the instances where something could go wrong.

    Take my high school, for example: 4,200 students. Four wings connected by a ring of locker bays and offices in a horse-shoe shape. 4 gyms. One large cafeteria. One full-sized auditorium. An arts wing with four huge rehearsal spaces. An athletics wing nearly sealed off from the rest of the building, with all of the auxiliary facilities you would expect. At least 14 stair-cases.

    There is not a chance in hell that a police officer in that school could do a damn thing if there was a shooting. Someone could, theoretically, go on a shooting rampage in the athletics wing, inflict mass casualties, and commit suicide before the officer even had a chance to get to the athletics wing. Even if a shooting occurred in the common areas or academic areas the likelihood of the officer being able to do anything before other students were shot would be slim to none. (Think bays and bays of 4 foot tall lockers that an attacker could easily hide between)

    As has been said before: NRA suggestion=idiotic and insulting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Video games don't. Countless studies have proven that they do not increase violent tendencies in anyone. The mere suggestion of it by anyone in a serious discussion means that they don't know what they're talking about.
    OK, we'll just blame guns and the NRA for the deaths -- even though no NRA member has done any of the shootings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    OK, we'll just blame guns and the NRA for the deaths -- even though no NRA member has done any of the shootings.

    No personal insults from me -- but have a question -- If you watch porn, what does it make you want to do?
    Why should anyone answer this when you have conveniently ignored others that give you examples of plenty of other reasons on why someones behavior might change? That the fact of the matter is that any study you bring up will have its flaws and ignore vital factors.

    I posed this question to someone twice in this thread who ignore it.

    If video games are not real life how does it lessen the reality of violence when it in fact isn't real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Is there? Where?
    Recently reetired libertarian talk show host Neal Boortz mentioed this on his website yesterday. No links are given but there's probably enough information provided that the articles could be located. He sometimes exaggerated, but never lied. Of course, we we all realize that you're not interested in anything which would dare to conflict with your preconceived liberal notions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    OK, we'll just blame guns and the NRA for the deaths -- even though no NRA member has done any of the shootings.

    No personal insults from me -- but have a question -- If you watch porn, what does it make you want to do?
    Oh, unbelievable. Seriously, Jack! Comparing teenagers playing video games to watching pornography and wanting to have sex is absolutely ridiculous. The porn I watch and the sex I have is irrelevant to the video games I've played and the violence-free life I've lived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Well not surprisingly, the NRA position on all of this is to not have fewer guns in the schools. It is to have more.

    Conservatively, there are almost 120,000 public and private schools in the US.

    The cost of a single policeman in every school at salary and benefits of $65,000 per year will be $7.8 billion dollars.

    So it is offering a solution that will be unaffordable unless the taxpayers decide that either their education dollars should be spent on armed guards who might be lucky and not be the first person a crazed gunman would kill.

    Jesus wept.

    No surprise that the intellectually bankrupt LaPierre is just tone deaf.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle6632036/
    how many banks with armed guards do you have ?
    its obviously more important to guard your money than your kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwantbig View Post
    how many banks with armed guards do you have ?
    its obviously more important to guard your money than your kids
    Well If you'd bothered to actually read all of the rest of the responses, you'd know. But apparently you are too lazy to do this and seem to also be someone who thinks that armed guards are the answer.

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    no i just got on and read the first post and that occured to me so knock off with the too lazy bullshit ( or is there a rule with your threads that one must read the entire story before being allowed to comment ? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    OK, we'll just blame guns and the NRA for the deaths -- even though no NRA member has done any of the shootings.

    No personal insults from me -- but have a question -- If you watch porn, what does it make you want to do?
    It makes me want to jack off....not go out and have sex with 40 other people.

    So if some kid watching a first person shooter game wants to put the end of an assault weapon in his own mouth...well...that is another problem.

    But typically.....you've missed the essence of the entire discussion. No one is saying that the pervasive and corrosive culture of violence against others that has become the hallmark of the US over the last 200 years isn't a big part of the problem here. You are one of those who seems to imply that violence solves every problem in foreign policy, for instance. It is no wonder, with the glorification of military assaults and weaponry in the wars fought by the US in the last 50 years...that the culture of shooter games and shooter movies has become such an insistent and soul damaging part of American kids' psyches.

    And no one here is saying take away all the guns. And no one is pointing the finger at the NRA moms, pops and little Jimmies and Janeys who are in love with their guns.

    But the NRA...as an organization almost solely under the control of the gun manufacturers and the extremist right wing...has delivered an unbalanced response....not to say arrogant, aggressive and ill timed.

    I don't expect you to get this, based on your own perception of the world around you as expressed in all your posts and threads. I don't expect Rearden to get it either because he makes you look rational by comparison to the stuff he posts on this topic.

    Forunately, there are millions of Americans who do get it....and understand that something has to be done that balances everyone's interests in this matter.

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    check my post in the other thread you'll love it

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